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Ultralight
4-17-17, 7:09am
I met a new friend, somewhat recently. Well, he was merely an acquaintance, but we've hung out a bunch of times now, so I guess we're friends. It is all very bromantic. haha
Anyway, the dude is a leftist and self-identifies as a male feminist. He is married to a woman.
At lunch yesterday he was talking about his significant other. He always speaks positively of her, so he was not on a rant or anything. But she seemed like she'd be cool from what he has told me of her. So I said: "She seems really cool! You should introduce me to her. I'd like to get to know her as well."
He laughed for a second then seriously said: "She is not interested in meeting anymore straight white men for a while."
He is straight and white, so I quipped: "She gets enough straight white male from you, huh?"
But the point he made and re-made after my quip was that she currently has no interest in meeting or interacting with more straight white males. Though he said: "I know you all would get along great! Maybe in the future she'll want to meet."
While I think that she, and everyone else, should be able to freely associate or refrain from associating with anyone they want I do think it is worthwhile to examine her policy critically. Though I did not examine it with him, I merely said: "Fair enough."
But in my head I thought: "I doubt I'd ever have much interest in meeting her now, as I know she judges people by their sex, gender, and skin color rather than the content of their character."
Thoughts?
I agree. Unless her SO was mischaracterizing her, her checkbox mentality when it comes to human beings seems very strange.
Ultralight
4-17-17, 7:21am
I agree. Unless her SO was mischaracterizing her, her checkbox mentality when it comes to human beings seems very strange.Had he said: "I told her about your support for the free speech and she said that is just too conservative for her" then I would be like, okay, politics and prevent friendships, I suppose.
Or if he was like, "yeah, I mentioned how you are a fisherman and she is ethically opposed to fishing" I'd have been like, "I get it. Ethical difference can inhibit friendships."
But skin color? Gender? What the heck?! But this is the modern left and what identity politics gone toxic has done to it.
Had he said: "I told her about your support for the free speech and she said that is just too conservative for her" then I would be like, okay, politics and prevent friendships, I suppose.
Or if he was like, "yeah, I mentioned how you are a fisherman and she is ethically opposed to fishing" I'd have been like, "I get it. Ethical difference can inhibit friendships."
But skin color? Gender? What the heck?! But this is the modern left and what identity politics gone toxic has done to it.
Identity politics gone toxic.. true. That's one of the reasons I block one of my rabid left friends from my news feed. She gets to pick the few people-du-jour worthy of her homage and as for the rest it's nothing but rage and bitterness. Toxic indeed.
So he assumed your gender, race, and orientation?
Ultralight
4-17-17, 7:48am
So he assumed your gender, race, and orientation?Hmmmm... I guess so. Though I have mentioned I am attracted to women.
I was at the YWCA the other day and a repairman arrived. The receptionist went on the intercom and announced to everyone, "A man is going to the third floor. A man is going to the third floor." (This is not the floor with locker rooms.) I thought it was bizarre, and so is your situation.
Chicken lady
4-17-17, 7:56am
That is weird (the original post)
the ywca, is that normally a floor for women only? If so, an unexpected man might raise security concerns.
when I worked at Girl Scout camp years ago, my not yet dh was one of four men on site. He used to yell "male man" as he approach editing quarters. We told him that if he was going to do that, he should at least bring the mail.
Very weird. Your friend may be misunderstanding his girlfriend's stance: while feminists and humanists challenge the paradigms of straight-white-male power structures, they don't usually exclude straight white males from their ambits. I am myself a leftist, and my peer group is far left. We're male, female, ethnically diverse - and we talk to everyone.
It is a sad phenomenon, not limited to the Left - although identity politics can take it to an absurd level - that we seem to want to sort ourselves into homogeneous groups.
In this case, consider it a form of privilege to avoid associating with a mind that assigns quotas to her social circle.
iris lilies
4-17-17, 9:42am
It is a sad phenomenon, not limited to the Left - although identity politics can take it to an absurd level - that we seem to want to sort ourselves into homogeneous groups.
In this case, consider it a form of privilege to avoid associating with a mind that assigns quotas to her social circle.
That is what I was thinking, quotas. When a place opens up for cis/white/male perhaps UL will qualify.
Simplemind
4-17-17, 11:39am
Maybe he is the one who doesn't want her to meet any more straight, white men who seem interested in her.
catherine
4-17-17, 11:48am
Maybe he is the one who doesn't want her to meet any more straight, white men who seem interested in her.
haha! I was thinking the same thing! Maybe HE'S the gatekeeper for her quota of SWMs
If you really want to meet her you could tell him you're bisexual, attracted to him, and have considered your get-togethers with him dates. (I am borrowing part of a Roseanne episode here.)
Maybe you were too aggressive about meeting her and he was protecting her as she and he don't need to deal with needy male friends. Sounds harsh to say this but some unattached males expect too much. Your friendship is with him so enjoy it.
Hmmmm... I guess so. Though I have mentioned I am attracted to women.
So am I, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm straight... Or even male... :-)
frugal-one
4-17-17, 4:19pm
Maybe he is the one who doesn't want her to meet any more straight, white men who seem interested in her.
Same thoughts here.
Ultralight
4-17-17, 4:46pm
That is what I was thinking, quotas. When a place opens up for cis/white/male perhaps UL will qualify. I go where I am celebrated, not tolerated. ;)
Ultralight
4-17-17, 4:48pm
Maybe you were too aggressive about meeting her and he was protecting her as she and he don't need to deal with needy male friends. Sounds harsh to say this but some unattached males expect too much. Your friendship is with him so enjoy it. I have known and been hanging out with this dude since August. Just yesterday I expressed wanting to meet his significant other because I have heard so much about her. But yeah, maybe too aggressive, sure. haha
Ultralight
4-17-17, 4:49pm
Very weird. Your friend may be misunderstanding his girlfriend's stance...Maybe, but he has said: "I cannot wait until 2050 when white people are the minority in the US."
Maybe, but he has said: "I cannot wait until 2050 when white people are the minority in the US."
That sort of outlook has been gaining ground among the left for some time now. I saw a HuffPo opinion piece last week advocating a worldwide prohibition on white people being able to vote for at least one generation. Of course, now that I mention it, the article has been taken down.
Ultralight
4-17-17, 6:12pm
That sort of outlook has been gaining ground among the left for some time now. I saw a HuffPo opinion piece last week advocating a worldwide prohibition on white people being able to vote for at least one generation. Of course, now that I mention it, the article has been taken down. I don't think that a nation being run by people of color will automatically be more socially or economically just. I have pointed this out to SJWs and they usually say: "But it will make it inconvenient and more difficult for the system to remain racist."
I don't think that a nation being run by people of color will automatically be more socially or economically just. I have pointed this out to SJWs and they usually say: "But it will make it inconvenient and more difficult for the system to remain racist."The goal of the author I referenced had no interest in being more just, the stated goal was to redistribute wealth while providing no legal recourse for their victims. There's nothing just, socially or economically in that reasoning.
ApatheticNoMore
4-17-17, 7:05pm
I don't think that a nation being run by people of color will automatically be more socially or economically just.
they probably mean "at least Trump wouldn't have got elected", it is true enough it was whites that gave him the majority and no other race and not even close (although he did get some votes from some minorities) but whether or not it means that all depends on the distribution of votes. Afterall, Hillary already won the popular vote and so if there were twice as many Hillary voters in some solid Hillary state it wouldn't have changed anything (just given her a larger margin of popular votes to lose the presidency with).
Maybe, but he has said: "I cannot wait until 2050 when white people are the minority in the US."
Maybe he should move to California. Not only are white people not the majority, we're not the largest population group.
Ultralight
4-17-17, 7:57pm
Maybe he should move to California. Not only are white people not the majority, we're not the largest population group. Is it a paradise?
Is it a paradise?
Absolutely. There's a lot to like. And plenty of non-white straight males for your friend's wife to interact with!
iris lilies
4-17-17, 10:52pm
Absolutely. There's a lot to like. And plenty of non-white straight males for your friend's wife to interact with!
Can't grow lilies naturally there. What use is it.
Can't grow lilies naturally there. What use is it.
That is a clear and simple perspective which sorts out the priorities very quickly. lol My chuckle for the day.
I go where I am celebrated, not tolerated. ;)
If I took that attitude, I'd never leave the house. And even there, some rooms would be problematic.
Can't grow lilies naturally there. What use is it.
I forgot to mention. It doesn't snow here. For me that trumps the ability to grow lilies. Obviously, though, everyone's mileage may differ.
I forgot to mention. It doesn't snow here. For me that trumps the ability to grow lilies. Obviously, though, everyone's mileage may differ.
Here is an interesting article about 4 lilies that are native to California:
http://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/growing-california-native-lilies/
Here is a source for cut flowers, oriental lilies, grown in California--that is what I grow:
http://www.flowersfromcalifornia.com/all-flowers/lilies/oriental-lilies.html
So maybe you can grow lilies in California?
catherine
4-18-17, 11:09am
I forgot to mention. It doesn't snow here. For me that trumps the ability to grow lilies. Obviously, though, everyone's mileage may differ.
Are you kidding? The snow is beautiful, and then it all melts away, clearing a path for the lilies! The best part of winter is it makes you so happy when it's springtime!
Not like your world in LaLa Land:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_GKKdkXDQ
Noooo! The best part of winter was when we had three years of drought so instead of winter we had six months of springtime those years.
California Paradise? Three people in Fresno were killed for being white and it immediately made me think of this thread.
Ultralight
4-18-17, 7:34pm
California Paradise? Three people in Fresno were killed for being white and it immediately made me think of this thread. Links?
iris lilies
4-18-17, 7:49pm
Here is an interesting article about 4 lilies that are native to California:
http://www.pacifichorticulture.org/articles/growing-california-native-lilies/
Here is a source for cut flowers, oriental lilies, grown in California--that is what I grow:
http://www.flowersfromcalifornia.com/all-flowers/lilies/oriental-lilies.html
So maybe you can grow lilies in California?
Sure, some species will grow in the mountains. Some. But see how many times the author mentions "hard to grow" under cultivation. Species aren't the hybrids I grow.
Now Iris, they like the dessert. You can grow Iris in California.
Correction: 3 killed today plus 1 on a previous day.
I cannot copy and paste links on my tablet but pick the news source of your choosing. Everyone is reporting it.
Ultralight
4-18-17, 8:29pm
Correction: 3 killed today plus 1 on a previous day.
I cannot copy and paste links on my tablet but pick the news source of your choosing. Everyone is reporting it. I googled it. And it appears to be true. Sad, sad racism.
Ultralight
4-18-17, 8:32pm
Correction: 3 killed today plus 1 on a previous day.
I cannot copy and paste links on my tablet but pick the news source of your choosing. Everyone is reporting it. Huffington Post is not covering it.
Huffington Post has it on their crime page. Search from the main menu and you will find it.
Ultralight
4-18-17, 8:47pm
Huffington Post has it on their crime page. Search from the main menu and you will find it.I did find it. Thanks.
ApatheticNoMore
4-19-17, 12:17pm
California Paradise? Three people in Fresno were killed for being white and it immediately made me think of this thread.
and there are no murders anywhere else in the country? So I looked at murder rates per state per capita, CA is kind of in the middle, so much for CA being any more likely a place to be killed in than anywhere else. I didn't think so (I mean if CA was the murder state of the U.S., or uniquely dangerous, I probably would have heard of it), but data backs up suspicion here.
Yes there are murders elsewhere, but how many other places are people murdered because of anti-white bias, the topic here? Places like Chicago you see more minority on minority crime.
ApatheticNoMore
4-19-17, 7:21pm
Dead is dead regardless of the motive, now legally maybe they can charge with hate crimes, I don't know, but dead is dead. Anyway one case in a state of almost 40 million doesn't make a "how many other places argument", while technically true for that one case, it's statistically meaningless.
iris lilies
4-19-17, 8:34pm
Yes there are murders elsewhere, but how many other places are people murdered because of anti-white bias, the topic here? Places like Chicago you see more minority on minority crime.
The Knock out game her in St.Louis feature black youth targeting people not of their race for assault. Fun times.
early morning
4-19-17, 8:39pm
Bah! Our Knock Out gamers aren't racist - our lovelies seem to target easy pickings. So older adults or those with handicaps are at the top of the target list, some from the perp's own neighborhood. Truly disgusting. And we aren't in California...
Chicken lady
4-19-17, 9:08pm
People here in rural sw Ohio seem to mostly target mailboxes or themselves (around a third of deaths in the 14-44 age group were overdoses in my county in the last year, then we have the deliberate suicides, and the popular car crashes - in which people sometimes take out BOTH themselves and a mailbox.)
Also, to be fair, when I was answering UA's question about whether California was paradise I was thinking mainly about coastal areas, and some of the mountain and desert areas. Yes, Fresno is certainly part of the state, but it's probably one of the less paradisacal parts. At least in my opinion.
That said, I do have a friend who used to travel from San Francisco to Fresno regularly for work and loved it. Loved it so much, in fact, that he affectionately called it Fresyes. Knowing my friend I can only assume that he liked it because the gay bars there are full of Mexican farm workers who find chubby, pasty white boys with blue eyes to be attractive. (I've also been to Fresno for work a bunch of times, but have never gone out to the gay bars so I have no idea if this is actually the case.)
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