View Full Version : Anyone thinking impeachment is looking more and more likely?
gimmethesimplelife
5-19-17, 11:24am
We have already chosen a theme song for the Impeachment Block Party in the 85006 at some later date (none of us read the future so of course we don't know what the date will be) - it will be Carly Simon's Let The River Run - something upbeat and positive and hopeful. There will be similar selections in Spanish for the many Hispanics of the 85006 but Let The River Run will be the theme song for the English as a First Language Crowd. It is looking more and more like eventual impeachment and realistically, this is America's only choice if we as a country wish to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the world and of our main trading partners, who know see America as a laughing stock. What do you'all think? (I believe Let The River Run was such an appropriate choice for the Impeachment Block Party too!!!!) Rob
What specific charges do you think impeachment would be based upon?
gimmethesimplelife
5-19-17, 11:32am
What specific charges do you think impeachment would be based upon?Obstruction of justice comes to mind, leaking classified information comes to mind, and of course, Donald Trump being who and how he is, there will be more little ditties coming along at any time now....the mind reels, it truly does, but better to take this energy and direct it towards Impeachment Celebrations/Festivities. In other words, making something positive out of this horrific election decision. Rob
I'm curious, Rob - do you know how the information classification/declassification process works in the USA? And in particular, who in our government has nearly-limitless authority to declassify information?
I'm curious, Rob - do you know how the information classification/declassification process works in the USA? And in particular, who in our government has nearly-limitless authority to declassify information?
That's not a fair question. Facts and reason only harsh a good buzz.
That's not a fair question. Facts and reason only harsh a good buzz.
Warning for "bullying" received!
Warning for "bullying" received!
:~)
ApatheticNoMore
5-19-17, 12:22pm
I think it's amounting to an attempted coup of a legitimately (I won't say democratically as the electoral college has never been that) elected president. That's what I think.
And it's not as if for all this dubiousness we were even getting someone wonderful or even halfway decent as President as an end result. No one like that is in the next in line for President! The means are ugly and the end result nothing good. So what exactly is there to like? If there actually was some real undeniable smoking gun maybe it would be one thing, but at this point it's more like a case of: who framed Donald Trump? Who has motive? Oh everyone with power almost at this point ... it's like one of those detective stories where everyone had a motive to kill the victim and maybe the victim was none to likeable to begin with - that is Dems, Reps (to a lesser degree), the intelligence agencies etc.
ToomuchStuff
5-20-17, 1:41am
I'm curious, Rob - do you know how the information classification/declassification process works in the USA? And in particular, who in our government has nearly-limitless authority to declassify information?
Come on class, pay attention, the answer has already been given by someone in the know:
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/showthread.php?14974-It-s-beginning-to-look-like-obstruction-of-justice-charges-for-Trump&p=269277&viewfull=1#post269277
Let me help even further, start at 3:20.
flowerseverywhere
5-20-17, 11:52am
In all these arguments there is a lot of wishful thinking. The president can declassify however most of them have thoughtful consultation before doing so because such information could potentially harm a US citizen. Just because most of us have in our minds protecting our troops and operatives is #1 and Trump does not does not makes him impeachable.
The security issue may be totally legal but on top of everything that is obvious or mentioned, I have to wonder why he would declassify somewhat openly to the Russians without telling "America First".
Don't worry, Rob - the Trumpsters are immune to any criticism of him because we live in an "alternative facts" world. The Koch brothers political network will only dispose of Donald after they get their tax plan through Congress. They've launched a multimillion dollar campaign to start now in case the Republicans lose control of Congress.
According to the news article in USA Today, the network "has operations in 36 states and its own grass-roots arm and for-profit data and marketing branches. About 550 ultra-wealthy donors help finance the constellation of political and non-profit groups...Those groups plan to spend $300 million to $400 million on policy and political campaigns before the 2018 elections."
But of course the obvious answer is, if President Hillary had done the same thing with "declassifying" government information, there would be mobs in front of the White House demanding impeachment, along with the corporate-owned media encouraging them.
The security issue may be totally legal but on top of everything that is obvious or mentioned, I have to wonder why he would declassify somewhat openly to the Russians without telling "America First".
What precise information was "declassified" to the Russians?
I understand we work cooperatively with most nations when it comes to intelligence information that relates to shared risks.
What precise information was "declassified" to the Russians?
I understand we work cooperatively with most nations when it comes to intelligence information that relates to shared risks.
The story I get from the news is that the declassified information related to ISIS developing new explosive devices adapted to laptop computers. Revealing this in T's public forum with the Russians also allowed them to identify the source that had provided the info under some agreement of trust and secrecy. By violating this trust it endangered future sharing of information with the source and may have endangered the source. Since the media has their long knives out I don't know how much might be blown out of proportions.
What is your read on this? My take is that if someone tells you a secret and asks or is understood you won't talk around then you should honor that trust. Then again, this is politics.
Well, if I knew a "secret" about upcoming threats to commercial aviation, I would note that Aeroflot and other carriers fly into the US, so I might want the Russians to know how to properly screen baggage and carry-on... I spent 4 hours sitting at an Aeroflot lounge recently, and I'd sure be happy, as a US citizen, to know they had some clues.
Terrorists who blow up planes: hostis humani generis.
Intelligence information is of little value unless you use it.
Intelligence information is of little value unless you use it.
I generally understand what you're saying. I don't think the specific information itself was the entire issue, even with the laptop carry-on ban was in effect for certain travels. I got that the president may have violated the trust of a valuable information source, which could then have future implications on our own national security. And that he did it in a boastful way to one of our adversaries as a show of bluster, rather than some sort of public announcement to our citizens or citizens of the world first or coincidentally. And possibly without the advice of our intelligence community experts. I suspect this may have been shared in secret with some of our allies, but since we don't know this we can guess the first to have the cat out of the bag was the Russians. That doesn't seem appropriate.
Other than a familiarity with biological nomenclature my Latin is pretty weak.
Terrorists who blow up planes: hostis humani generis.
I would certainly agree that the "soldier of the Caliphate" who murdered those children in Manchester is every bit as much an enemy of mankind as Edward Teach ever was.
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