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gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 11:01am
A neighbor on my Block Watch Phone Tree just called me with wonderful news! Apparently there is a story on yahoo.com news to the effect that 43% of Americans want Impeachment Proceedings to begin STAT for Donald Trump. I had to post this joyous news here before calling my designated phone tree neighbor with the news.....I have hope that the Impeachment Neighborhood Block Party will not be that far off.....Just checked over my Impeachment Outfit, everything in good shape and unwrinkled......It's just a matter of time at this point is my gut instinct. Gotta be patient and let the wheels slowly turn.....Rob
flowerseverywhere
5-31-17, 11:15am
A neighbor on my Block Watch Phone Tree just called me with wonderful news! Apparently there is a story on yahoo.com news to the effect that 43% of Americans want Impeachment Proceedings to begin STAT for Donald Trump. I had to post this joyous news here before calling my designated phone tree neighbor with the news.....I have hope that the Impeachment Neighborhood Block Party will not be that far off.....Just checked over my Impeachment Outfit, everything in good shape and unwrinkled......It's just a matter of time at this point is my gut instinct. Gotta be patient and let the wheels slowly turn.....Rob
on what legal grounds? Will the Republicans start the process?
do you want Mike Pence to step up?
A neighbor on my Block Watch Phone Tree just called me with wonderful news! Apparently there is a story on yahoo.com news to the effect that 43% of Americans want Impeachment Proceedings to begin STAT for Donald Trump. I had to post this joyous news here before calling my designated phone tree neighbor with the news.....I have hope that the Impeachment Neighborhood Block Party will not be that far off.....Just checked over my Impeachment Outfit, everything in good shape and unwrinkled......It's just a matter of time at this point is my gut instinct. Gotta be patient and let the wheels slowly turn.....Rob
So I take it you will be invoking the Unpopularity Clause of the Constitution?
Do you have outfits for other memorable events such as Memorial Day or Independence Day celebrations? You know, July 4th is just around the corner.
43%?
Wow.
That's roughly the same percentage of the US population that believes in astrology, according to the yearly NSF survey.
Wonder if there's any overlap between the sets?
Well, whatever the stats are and whatever the constitutional way to do it is, I hope he's thrown out before he destroys the U.S........to where we have no allies, no clean air, toxic earth, and millions and millions of extremely poor people with a handful of rich. This is a nightmare. Did you hear about his tweet last night that made no sense? He's a selfish idiot. Get him out of here before he ruins the nation.
Oh........but then there's Pence. Bummer.
Well, whatever the stats are and whatever the constitutional way to do it is, I hope he's thrown out before he destroys the U.S........to where we have no allies, no clean air, toxic earth, and millions and millions of extremely poor people with a handful of rich.
One man cannot do all those things to the US, even if he is President.
One man cannot do all those things to the US, even if he is President.
True, but he's certainly trying his best.
Teacher Terry
5-31-17, 12:29pm
It's not for lack of effort>:(. I think it will take a long time to get rid of him unfortunately.
flowerseverywhere
5-31-17, 12:35pm
Well, whatever the stats are and whatever the constitutional way to do it is, I hope he's thrown out before he destroys the U.S........to where we have no allies, no clean air, toxic earth, and millions and millions of extremely poor people with a handful of rich. This is a nightmare. Did you hear about his tweet last night that made no sense? He's a selfish idiot. Get him out of here before he ruins the nation.
Oh........but then there's Pence. Bummer.
Your reasons are why many want him thrown our. However the US government is not court of personal opinion. I don't for one minute believe his budget cuts will be seriously considered by many lawmakwers. Or Trumpcare. A far more moderate version will swing the pendulum more towards the middle.
Unfortunately the slights he has he has given foreign governments threaten to undermine years of careful diplomacy. But as long as North
Korea or Russia don't nuke us out of existence we will see better days.
I don't think anyone does not agree we need to get our immigration system reviewed and some changes made. Same for healthcare. And our welfare system. Taking action to reduce generational government dependency is not a bad thing. It is all in the process. I think the Trump budget process is a horrible way to do things. Yes, cut the budget, but figure out what can be done to lower healthcare costs, like letting Medicare negotiate for drug prices and getting the insurance companies with their multi million dollar CEO's out of the equation. Figure out how to get people back to work so that illegals will have no in entire to come here under the radar. make Americans great and independent again, with the safety net for children and those that really need it.
it is funny to watch how in recent times, everyone is suddenly a legal expert. Many questions about the legality of Bush the lesser with Middle East involvement, of Hillary and emails, of Obama ( I read numerous times he was shredding the constitution. If he was shame on the republicans for not stopping it.). And it continues to be a call from ordinary folk. Personally I did not like Trump from the start, did not vote for him, and would be happy if legal grounds were found to move him out of the Oval Office. But it has to be an ironclad constitutional reason. Not my wishful thinking.
True, but he's certainly trying his best.
Well, if this is his "best", I think we're all pretty safe :-)
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 12:42pm
True, but he's certainly trying his best.Very, very true. Very, very sad. There, I've used Trump's language to accurately summarize his behaviors. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 12:44pm
Well, if this is his "best", I think we're all pretty safe :-)We don't feel safe from Trump and his evil in the 85006.....even the prior Trump supporters six houses down took down their pro Trump/Pence signage and are now publicly stating that supporting Trump was a mistake. I do however believe some very cool and deeply moving/deeply meaningful mass protests are not far off.....Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 12:48pm
Do you have outfits for other memorable events such as Memorial Day or Independence Day celebrations? You know, July 4th is just around the corner.I only dress up on days that merit such......such as Impeachment Proceedings Against Trump - that would merit my dressing up and looking above my station in life out of respect for Human Rights and Human Dignity. These other holidays? They don't have the same far reaching impact of joy and hope and the potential for human renewal. So I don't dress up for them. Rob
We don't feel safe from Trump and his evil in the 85006.....even the prior Trump supporters six houses down took down their pro Trump/Pence signage and are now publicly stating that supporting Trump was a mistake.
Probably safer for them. Who wants to be mau-maued?
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 12:50pm
Probably safer for them. Who wants to be mau-maued?Mau-maued? No comprende, lo siento. Rob
Do you have outfits for other memorable events such as Memorial Day or Independence Day celebrations? You know, July 4th is just around the corner.
Rob snubs America's parties. Rob has unfriended America and blocks America's calls.
He has made it clear he feels insufficiently cherished by America, and he will play the field until he finds a country willing to treat him the way he deserves to be treated.
It's a classic of American literature. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/98/RadicalChic.jpg
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 6:08pm
Rob snubs America's parties. Rob has unfriended America and blocks America's calls.
He has made it clear he feels insufficiently cherished by America, and he will play the field until he finds a country willing to treat him the way he deserves to be treated.This is entirely untrue. I will indeed appear at the Neighborhood Block Party planned for any Impeachment Proceedings and will indeed wave an American flag around should this joyous day come to pass. When America does something RIGHT - such as impeaching Trump - I will sing it's praises. I'm still waiting for something right to take place in regards to Mr. Trump.....Rob
President Trump will be your President till 2020, maybe longer. No matter what the 85006 thinks.
President Trump will be your President till 2020, maybe longer. No matter what the 85006 thinks.
Dang. How do you get out of bed every day with such a pessimistic attitude?
Seems like he is capable of changing his mind, so that his initial statements don't happen, fortunately. But he appears to LOVE to create chaos and step back and watch it. Like a pyromaniac........getting off on watching the burn. What a spoiled child. He makes me ill.
flowerseverywhere
5-31-17, 10:22pm
President Trump will be your President till 2020, maybe longer. No matter what the 85006 thinks.
We'll see. itseems like every day it is hitting the fan yet you never know.
Despite 43% who want him impeached, (which means 57% do not or have no opinion) there are people who think he is doing great. I know several Trump supporters who want planned parenthood defunded no matter what. Think every one on welfare and food stamps is lazy and are so relieved that the Muslim Obama has been replaced with someone who is going to put world leaders in their place. Obamacare and Medicaid expansion: they are rooting for this to disappear. And coal is coming back, good manufacturing jobs are on the verge of coming back, our taxes will be lower and those pesky brown skinned people will be deported. And they are hoping for gay rights to be rescinded, prayers to a Christian god back in school and no more refugees.
Fasten your seatbelt because we are in for a covfefe.
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 11:13pm
President Trump will be your President till 2020, maybe longer. No matter what the 85006 thinks.It is true that such remains to be seen, I'll give you that, but the 85006 overall begs to differ with your opinion. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 11:14pm
We'll see. itseems like every day it is hitting the fan yet you never know.
Despite 43% who want him impeached, (which means 57% do not or have no opinion) there are people who think he is doing great. I know several Trump supporters who want planned parenthood defunded no matter what. Think every one on welfare and food stamps is lazy and are so relieved that the Muslim Obama has been replaced with someone who is going to put world leaders in their place. Obamacare and Medicaid expansion: they are rooting for this to disappear. And coal is coming back, good manufacturing jobs are on the verge of coming back, our taxes will be lower and those pesky brown skinned people will be deported. And they are hoping for gay rights to be rescinded, prayers to a Christian god back in school and no more refugees.
Fasten your seatbelt because we are in for a covfefe.I know we have had our disagreements in the past, but I had to say that I love, love, LOVE your last sentence here, lol. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 11:15pm
President Trump will be your President till 2020, maybe longer. No matter what the 85006 thinks.And for the record? Trump is NOT my President. I am part of the resistance in the 85006. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
5-31-17, 11:16pm
Dang. How do you get out of bed every day with such a pessimistic attitude?LOL Good one! Rob
ToomuchStuff
6-1-17, 1:32am
And for the record? Trump is NOT my President. I am part of the resistance in the 85006. Rob
So you have renounced being a US citizen? Moving?
If not, being your president, and liking it are two different things.
Dang. How do you get out of bed every day with such a pessimistic attitude?
Not pessimistic at all, just realistic.
How do you get out of bed every day?
So you have renounced being a US citizen? Moving?
If not, being your president, and liking it are two different things.
To be fair, he's not much of a citizen. Unless there's something in it for him.
It is true that such remains to be seen, I'll give you that, but the 85006 overall begs to differ with your opinion. Rob I lived in the 85006 for two years. While Phoenix proper is fairly liberal, I can assure you that:
1. It ain't that liberal.
2. It is under political siege by most of the rest of AZ.
I lived in the 85006 for two years. While Phoenix proper is fairly liberal, I can assure you that:
1. It ain't that liberal.
2. It is under political siege by most of the rest of AZ.
Rob is their king. They will do as he commands.
Rob is their king. They will do as he commands. I was there from roughly 2010 to 2012. But I don't remember Rob. And I met with lots of big wigs in city government, as I was working with a union then. We did lobbying and all sorts of stuff. Perhaps his rise to power and fame came in 2013?
I was there from roughly 2010 to 2012. But I don't remember Rob. And I met with lots of big wigs in city government, as I was working with a union then. We did lobbying and all sorts of stuff. Perhaps his rise to power and fame came in 2013?
How mean spirited. Rob, I may not agree with you on every issue, but I think it's great that you are in there demonstrating, trying to improve your community, and caring about your neighbors. Way to go!
To be fair, he's not much of a citizen. Unless there's something in it for him.
Be nice. He has a fully-charged smartphone. He's The Resistance.
He's The Resistance.
What a profoundly annoying term. I would love to see some real maquisards rise from the dead and confront the people smugly styling themselves as "the Resistance".
What a profoundly annoying term. I would love to see some real maquisards rise from the dead and confront the people smugly styling themselves as "the Resistance".
I met some members of the French Resistance recently, as well as members of Allied forces that worked with them. They didn't have smartphones, alas.
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-17, 1:06pm
To be fair, he's not much of a citizen. Unless there's something in it for him.And this is how citizenship should be - finding the best deal for yourself. We are told to do this in life in relationships, in employment, in life situations in general - why should citizenship be immune from basic cold blooded common sense at this level? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-17, 1:08pm
How mean spirited. Rob, I may not agree with you on every issue, but I think it's great that you are in there demonstrating, trying to improve your community, and caring about your neighbors. Way to go!Thank You for the kind words, Tybee. They are appreciated. I've learned to not let people get me down and to go about my life regardless.....doing what little it is that I can to make the world a slightly better place while I am here. In the final analysis, I like and respect and myself, my beliefs and what I stand for and I'm sleeping fairly well at night - what more can one realistically ask for? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-17, 1:10pm
Rob is their king. They will do as he commands.I am nothing but a neighborhood activist - it is true that I am fairly well known in the 85006 but leave this neighborhood and I am a nobody nor am I really seeking to be a "somebody". I am all about addressing injustice wherever I find it. That's it, that's the extent of my agenda. That simple. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-1-17, 1:13pm
[QUOTE=bae;269931]Be nice. He has a fully-charged smartphone. He's The Resistance.[/QUOTEYou may not approve, Bae, and that's fine, no one says you have to approve of me or my actions. Granted. But at least I am out there doing something in a non-violent manner......I'm not destroying things and I'm not hiding due to fear like so many people are these days. I'm doing something. I believe this deserves respect in and of itself, regardless of whether or not you agree with my stances/motivations. Rob
ToomuchStuff
6-1-17, 1:48pm
I am nothing but a neighborhood activist - it is true that I am fairly well known in the 85006 but leave this neighborhood and I am a nobody nor am I really seeking to be a "somebody". I am all about addressing injustice wherever I find it. That's it, that's the extent of my agenda. That simple. Rob
[QUOTE=bae;269931]Be nice. He has a fully-charged smartphone. He's The Resistance.[/QUOTEYou may not approve, Bae, and that's fine, no one says you have to approve of me or my actions. Granted. But at least I am out there doing something in a non-violent manner......I'm not destroying things and I'm not hiding due to fear like so many people are these days. I'm doing something. I believe this deserves respect in and of itself, regardless of whether or not you agree with my stances/motivations. Rob
I think this may be another language issue, as activist and doing something seems different then expressing speech or whining, to me. (which would seem passivist)
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I think this may be another language issue, as activist and doing something seems different then expressing speech or whining, to me. (which would seem passivist)Well, there is the party planning, those things don't organize themselves.
And this is how citizenship should be - finding the best deal for yourself. We are told to do this in life in relationships, in employment, in life situations in general - why should citizenship be immune from basic cold blooded common sense at this level? Rob
On Marriage
You were born together, and together you shall be forevermore.
You shall be together when the white wings of death scatter your days.
Ay, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God.
But let there be spaces in your togetherness,
And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.
Love one another, but make not a bond of love:
Let you rather ask "what's in it for me?"
And this is how citizenship should be - finding the best deal for yourself. We are told to do this in life in relationships, in employment, in life situations in general - why should citizenship be immune from basic cold blooded common sense at this level? Rob
Told by whom?
Sounds like a recipe for unhappiness to me.
gimmethesimplelife
6-2-17, 9:34am
[QUOTE=ToomuchStuff;269952]Well, there is the party planning, those things don't organize themselves.Please have a little bit of respect for my activism.....it is not all about planning parties. The Neighborhood Block Party I keep referring to in the event of Trump's impeachment? It is also a political act, just the same as if I were in a protest line, carrying a sign and making my voice heard. It's cool if you don't agree with or understand my activism, I can accept that. I just don't care for having it disrespectfully minimized.....that's all. I would not do the same to you if you were engaging in activism, even for causes that I find revolting. There is something about the courage necessary to become an activist that in my mind deserves respect that goes beyond approving of what they are engaging against. Rob
You don't get to demand respect. You have to earn it.
[QUOTE=Alan;269955]Please have a little bit of respect for my activism.....it is not all about planning parties.
My apologies. You've described in such detail (in several threads) the festive atmosphere, the food and your fabulous outfit, I was left with the impression of parties in the 85006 with an activist/protest theme, rather than the reverse. I'll try harder to interpret what you mean rather than what you say, thanks for setting me straight.
gimmethesimplelife
6-2-17, 9:55am
You don't get to demand respect. You have to earn it.And I have. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-2-17, 9:59am
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My apologies. You've described in such detail (in several threads) the festive atmosphere, the food and your fabulous outfit, I was left with the impression of parties in the 85006 with an activist/protest theme, rather than the reverse. I'll try harder to interpret what you mean rather than what you say, thanks for setting me straight.Never once have I referred to my outfit as "fabulous" - this word comes entirely from you. I invite you to look over our mutual posts in regards to this topic to confirm this. As to the food - what's wrong with donated food being supplied for a protest, and my joy in receiving an unexpected free meal? I seriously don't understand this, not that's it's that big of a deal. And as to the atmosphere - why shouldn't there be some networking going on, some kind of festive air? Why shouldn't there be some celebration of sorts among those who have the strength to stand up to America and see it for what it truly is? Rob
Never once have I referred to my outfit as "fabulous" - this word comes entirely from you. I invite you to look over our mutual posts in regards to this topic to confirm this. As to the food - what's wrong with donated food being supplied for a protest, and my joy in receiving an unexpected free meal? I seriously don't understand this, not that's it's that big of a deal. And as to the atmosphere - why shouldn't there be some networking going on, some kind of festive air? Why shouldn't there be some celebration of sorts among those who have the strength to stand up to America and see it for what it truly is? Rob
See, there I go again misinterpreting your statements. I honestly don't know why I would think that a special outfit enabling you to look above your station in life was fabulous or that an event with a festive air, food and networking might be a party. Thanks again for broadening my horizons.
ToomuchStuff
6-2-17, 10:10am
And I have. Rob
That is in the eye of the other, not you. Based on your statement, Trump would have earned the respect of being called the President by you, rather then not your president.
gimmethesimplelife
6-2-17, 10:18am
See, there I go again misinterpreting your statements. I honestly don't know why I would think that a special outfit enabling you to look above your station in life was fabulous or that an event with a festive air, food and networking might be a party. Thanks again for broadening my horizons.I'm quite sure you are aware that the word "fabulous" is used by a sub section of gay men as an everyday adjective of approval - I am not in this category and find the use of this word in this case over the top, truth be told. I realize we have never met so I'll just let you know that I am not someone who is ever going to throw this word around - I'm too real for it and my hands are too dirty (this last was a social class reference if you don't understand (?)). I'd also say that about 20% of any of the protests I have participated in meet your above definition of a party - the other 80% of it is the actual protest, just to be clear. This is not about having fun but about making your voice heard and standing up to various evils in the current American landscape. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
6-2-17, 10:24am
See, there I go again misinterpreting your statements. I honestly don't know why I would think that a special outfit enabling you to look above your station in life was fabulous or that an event with a festive air, food and networking might be a party. Thanks again for broadening my horizons.And the outfit that you repeatedly refer to as "Fabulous"? I put it together at a Westside thrift shop and it has yet to be worn - it is shelved away and waiting the the joyous day of a Trump Impeachment. Wearing this outfit is all about joy, and a celebration of basic human rights and basic human dignity should America do the right thing and kick Trump to the curb.....it is also a manifestation of respect of how sacred and holy basic human dignity truly is - How could anyone with any kind of moral compass not dress up above their station in life on the joyous day of a Trump Impeachment? Now I'll admit here this last I don't personally understand, though whatever anyone chooses to wear on the day of a Trump Impeachment is of course up to them - I'll be looking "fabulous" - your word, not mine - in my thrift shop outfit. Rob
How could anyone with any kind of moral compass not dress up above their station in life on the joyous day of a Trump Impeachment?
There's so much to unpack in that brief string of text that one hardly knows where to begin...
What's your "station" in life? How did you get there? Who keeps you there? Are you happy in this "station"? Why or why not? When does the next train come by?
What happens when bloviating, ineffective Trump is "impeached", and Pence steps in? I'm pretty sure Pence would be considerably more effective at getting his policies through Congress and the Court, and implemented....
I'll be looking "fabulous" - your word, not mine - in my thrift shop outfit. Rob
Whew, at least I had the intent right if not the actual word. There may be hope for me yet.
And I have. Rob
Do the same thing in Beijing instead of Phoenix, and we can talk about respect.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg
Do the same thing in Beijing instead of Phoenix, and we can talk about respect.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg
So Trump needs to get the national guard to do a full Kent State before protestors deserve respect? Or is just having the police pepper spray them enough?
So Trump needs to get the national guard to do a full Kent State before protestors deserve respect? Or is just having the police pepper spray them enough?
Does Rob get pepper sprayed at his fabulous lawn parties in the 85006?
gimmethesimplelife
6-2-17, 11:25am
Does Rob get pepper sprayed at his fabulous lawn parties in the 85006?Bae, with all due respect, what part of the protests that I have participated in not being parties don't you understand? I'll make it clear for you then: The protests I have had the chance to be part of are not parties. Nor have any of them been located in the 85006, for that matter. And it's really not nice using the word fabulous as you have here - please don't bait like this. I have not done such with you in the course of our long running disagreements. Is there any reason why I am not worth the same respect in return that I have given you? Rob
And it's really not nice using the word fabulous as you have here - please don't bait like this. For many of us, I think it might be like the old baloney/bologna dilemma. In my little slice of the world, I eat baloney, even though some manufacturers insist on printing bologna on the package. It would drive me crazy to think they were being insensitive to my upbringing, my dialect or my preferences, that's why I don't.
As far as fabulous goes, when I last took a vocabulary course in the 60's, to my knowledge no group had appropriated the word, so using it in it's proper context wasn't grounds for complaint. But, we were a lot less sensitive then.
gimmethesimplelife
6-2-17, 11:38am
For many of us, I think it might be like the old baloney/bologna dilemma. In my little slice of the world, I eat baloney, even though some manufacturers insist on printing bologna on the package. It would drive me crazy to think they were being insensitive to my upbringing, my dialect or my preferences, that's why I don't.
As far as fabulous goes, when I last took a vocabulary course in the 60's, to my knowledge no group had appropriated the word, so using it in it's proper context wasn't grounds for complaint. But, we were a lot less sensitive then.I disagree with your last sentence. It's more like certain groups of people refuse to play the role of victim and have no problem today in standing up for themselves - which is how it should have been all along, but better late than never. Rob
I disagree with your last sentence. It's more like certain groups of people refuse to play the role of victim and have no problem today in standing up for themselves - which is how it should have been all along, but better late than never. Rob
Don't let the bologna spoil your baloney, otherwise you are playing the victim.
As far as fabulous goes, when I last took a vocabulary course in the 60's, to my knowledge no group had appropriated the word, so using it in it's proper context wasn't grounds for complaint. But, we were a lot less sensitive then.
I'm curious - which group is allowed to use the word "fabulous" safely these days?
I'm curious - which group is allowed to use the word "fabulous" safely these days?I'm not sure, although I will continue as I deem appropriate. Rob's not the boss of me, everyone knows that's my wife's job. ;)
IshbelRobertson
6-3-17, 4:26am
I hate this weird appropriation of a word by certain groups... I will continue to use fabulous as I have always done!
And don't get me started on the misappropriation of the word 'gay'... I continue to hear the rage in an old friend's voice when she reminds people that her family's surname is Gaye.
Williamsmith
6-3-17, 8:59am
I hate this weird appropriation of a word by certain groups... I will continue to use fabulous as I have always done!
And don't get me started on the misappropriation of the word 'gay'... I continue to hear the rage in an old friend's voice when she reminds people that her family's surname is Gaye.
Like in Marvin Gaye.....
https://youtu.be/r6jKE6YIxmc
I hate this weird appropriation of a word by certain groups... I will continue to use fabulous as I have always done!
And don't get me started on the misappropriation of the word 'gay'... I continue to hear the rage in an old friend's voice when she reminds people that her family's surname is Gaye.
How, exactly, has the word gay been misappropriated. According to Wikipedia it's been used to describe homosexual men since the nineteenth century. Although it is used more frequently for that purpose today perhaps that's because gay men are just more frequently apparent today.
I wonder how your friend would feel if their surname was Black.
IshbelRobertson
6-3-17, 10:25am
Perhaps different English speaking nations use the same word differently. Gay may well have been used to describe homosexuals for a very long time, but I suspect that might have been in use only by a small percentage of the population.
I wouldn't care if my surname was Black, nothing wrong with a fairly common Scottish surname. And I detect you think my comment re Gay was homophobic. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Teacher Terry
6-3-17, 12:32pm
My Mom who was born in 1920 used to say that when she was young the word gay meant happy.
ToomuchStuff
6-3-17, 12:58pm
How could anyone with any kind of moral compass not dress up above their station in life on the joyous day of a Trump Impeachment? Rob
please don't bait like this. I have not done such with you in the course of our long running disagreements. Is there any reason why I am not worth the same respect in return that I have given you? Rob
LOL, you don't make bait statements?
What have you done to earn respect?
When someone or a group of someones has done something wrong, you protest for rehabilitation, yet don't allow them to grow!
That is the same thought process as that family member I spoke to on her deathbed, who judges me based on actions and an act of others, that was before my time.
It means your prejudiced.
My Mom who was born in 1920 used to say that when she was young the word gay meant happy.
I remember that clearly, and I was born in 1952. Don't you remember the Flintstone's theme song?
IshbelRobertson
6-3-17, 2:03pm
My Mom who was born in 1920 used to say that when she was young the word gay meant happy.
That's how it was used in the UK when I was younger... and I was born a lot later than your Mum!
gimmethesimplelife
6-3-17, 4:17pm
LOL, you don't make bait statements?
What have you done to earn respect?
When someone or a group of someones has done something wrong, you protest for rehabilitation, yet don't allow them to grow!
That is the same thought process as that family member I spoke to on her deathbed, who judges me based on actions and an act of others, that was before my time.
It means your prejudiced.Ouch....Just curious....What did I ever do to rub you the wrong way? Seriously. Correct me if I am wrong here, but have we ever even once had a positive interaction, or even one that was neutral? At this point based on your posting behavior I will respectfully say.....turn the finger back around and point it at yourself. Seriously. I am actually quite a reasonable person and have often yielded ground when I could see someone else had a reasonable point. I may be very opinionated (and I will fess up to this here and now) but I am no ogre. Just sayin'. You may continue to post as you wish of course but I'd really like to know what it is that I have ever done that rubbed you the wrong way??? Rob
Perhaps different English speaking nations use the same word differently. Gay may well have been used to describe homosexuals for a very long time, but I suspect that might have been in use only by a small percentage of the population.
I wouldn't care if my surname was Black, nothing wrong with a fairly common Scottish surname. And I detect you think my comment re Gay was homophobic. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Probably not many people knew of its meaning regarding homosexual men because not many people realized homosexuals existed.
I'm sorry if I was incorrect in your reasoning for your comment regarding the word gay. But honestly I don't have any other idea what you might have meant beyond being upset that gay people use it so now you can't. Would you prefer that us gay people switch to cuvfefe or something?
IshbelRobertson
6-3-17, 5:08pm
No, most of my homosexual friends would not wish to use Mr Trump's English as a model. Neither would I.
I was just trying to find a word that was new enough to not yet be anyone's favorite. :) But putting more thought into it I'd have to agree with you that I wouldn't particularly want to be associated with him anymore than I'm already forced to due to the fact of what country I'm a citizen of.
gimmethesimplelife
6-3-17, 6:27pm
No, most of my homosexual friends would not wish to use Mr Trump's English as a model. Neither would I.Mr Trump does speak fluent basic English but throw him some educated English.....not so quick on the uptake. Sad. Very sad. To quote the man, the myth, the legend, the Trumpster himself......Rob
Mother Jones had a short and objective overview of the proposal.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/single-payer-california-brown-trump/
Mother Jones had a short and objective overview of the proposal.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/single-payer-california-brown-trump/
So all they need to do is persuade the federal government to hand over Medicare and Medicaid, ratchet up the tax burden, impose price controls, outlaw private insurance and create a new bureaucracy in a state that already has trouble funding its pension systems.
Wouldn't secession be a more reasonable goal?
So all they need to do is persuade the federal government to hand over Medicare and Medicaid, ratchet up the tax burden, impose price controls, outlaw private insurance and create a new bureaucracy in a state that already has trouble funding its pension systems.
Wouldn't secession be a more reasonable goal?
Probably, since at least then republicans at the federal level would consider going along to get a massive win out of the deal by dumping a massively blue state off the voter rolls.
Probably, since at least then republicans at the federal level would consider going along to get a massive win out of the deal by dumping a massively blue state off the voter rolls.Why? I thought you said your vote was irrelevant.
Why? I thought you said your vote was irrelevant.
No, I only said my vote was irrelevant to the presidential candidates.
No, I only said my vote was irrelevant to the presidential candidates.
Ahh, I stand corrected, yet remain distressed that our strategy only works selectively. :~)
Probably, since at least then republicans at the federal level would consider going along to get a massive win out of the deal by dumping a massively blue state off the voter rolls.
Not only that, but a lot of people looking for more generous taxpayer support would probably head west and a good chunk of California's medical establishment and taxpayer base might have incentive to head east. Eventually, California would need to look into building a wall of some sort.
Not only that, but a lot of people looking for more generous taxpayer support would probably head west and a good chunk of California's medical establishment and taxpayer base might have incentive to head east. Eventually, California would need to look into building a wall of some sort.
Probably so. Just like canada has had to do.
Probably so. Just like canada has had to do.
In a sense, they do. It goes to Canada being more selective in who they allow to immigrate and work and reside in their country. Probably the result of all those exasperated American liberals threatening to invade them from time to time.
I do agree with Trump that we should emulate Canada and privatize our air traffic control system.
Ultralight
6-7-17, 11:38am
I stand corrected... A phrase few people ever utter.
I'm not even remotely an expert on air traffic control. Are there inefficiencies that could be eliminated or is it just that you don't think the govt needs to be involved?
I'm not even remotely an expert on air traffic control. Are there inefficiencies that could be eliminated or is it just that you don't think the govt needs to be involved?
Canada uses a non-profit that finances itself through fees charged airlines (and ultimately their customers). Other countries use a mixed bag of public, private and public/private partnership systems. I would say the government has a role in safety, but there's no compelling reason for them to operate the system.
Canada uses a non-profit that finances itself through fees charged airlines (and ultimately their customers). Other countries use a mixed bag of public, private and public/private partnership systems. I would say the government has a role in safety, but there's no compelling reason for them to operate the system.
Personally I would not mind a system that relied on airline fees rather than government funding. I'd like to see the airline security go this route as well.
Megan McArdle published a very readable piece today exploring the question "Why not Medicare for all?"
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-07/why-not-try-medicare-for-all-glad-you-asked
Williamsmith
6-7-17, 8:35pm
Megan McArdle published a very readable piece today exploring the question "Why not Medicare for all?"
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-07/why-not-try-medicare-for-all-glad-you-asked
If my private insurance reimburses the hospital more than Medicare for the same services.....wouldn't that be like the airline charging me for first class and seating me in coach anyway? Or Amazon prime providing a discount to welfare recipients and the full price customers subsidize it?
If my private insurance reimburses the hospital more than Medicare for the same services.....wouldn't that be like the airline charging me for first class and seating me in coach anyway? Or Amazon prime providing a discount to welfare recipients and the full price customers subsidize it?
That happens all the time to people without insurance - they don't get the rates negotiated by the insurance companies, they get to pay higher rates to make up the difference.
I read the Bloomberg piece and I understand how it would be a really huge undertaking to switch to single payer as an "experiment" but I still need for someone to explain why this "experiment" works so well in other countries. We're not sending someone to Saturn. This crazy idea is actually implemented in many countries.
The context set in the article is unique to the US in terms of how costs of healthcare are managed. But that's a function of a dysfunctional system. If they could address the shaky underpinnings of the system, maybe a solid, stable "medicare for all" would be possible.
The tone of the article to me was like saying "We could never fly in an airplane because look at the Edsel!" Revamping the system admittedly would take a lot of work, will and vision, but mostly vision.
iris lilies
6-7-17, 9:54pm
That happens all the time to people without insurance - they don't get the rates negotiated by the insurance companies, they get to pay higher rates to make up the difference.
One of my friends has spent bunches of money on health issues. She has no insurance. i guarantee she does not pay the rate she is charged.
I bet she has racked up $1 million in health care costs --initial billings--over the past ten years with cancer surgery then radiation/chemo, then she was hit by a car as a pedestrian, then she had an appendicitis attackand surgery, then she had gall bladder surgery, then she had some sort of complicated dental surgery to wipe out a 20 year old infection, surgery that was performed by some high end dental surgeon.
She pays the bills but she negotiates the final amount.
Megan McArdle published a very readable piece today exploring the question "Why not Medicare for all?"
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-07/why-not-try-medicare-for-all-glad-you-asked
If I get one of the basic premise of the article, the profits from Medicare are small and the only way doctors and hospitals can stay in business is that this is off set by payments from private insurance. I'm sure it's complicated, but the solution if there is to be "Medicare for all" is to allow larger Medicare payments. Whatever version of single payer may come around, it is going to cost taxpayer dollars. And that maybe partially or totally offset in savings over traditional insurance costs. (Or my favorite idea, funnel money from the military budget).
The article says people love Medicare, but people coming from a good employer provided or private insurance policy may have some disappointments. Many doctors in my area do not accept medicare patients, including mine. Since I am coming up on this, I asked my doctor for any general advice. His reply was that the Medicare guide book for providers was over 5000 pages and if it were a novel it would be the fifth longest novel ever and he has his office administration handle it all. He obviously didn't like it. Before modeling any thing on existing Medicare, they need to take a hard look at it. And that's aside from notions that Medicare is underfunded and unsustainable.
Rather, I like Catherine's idea of looking at other countries and what features they have and how things are paid for. Expanding Medicare to Medicare for all is an easy solution to understand, but it limits what other options might be out there.
A friend of mine owns several clinics. He said Medicare does not pay enough for him to stay open. He takes some, but considers it charity. He would close his doors if he had to rely on what Medicare paid.
I read the Bloomberg piece and I understand how it would be a really huge undertaking to switch to single payer as an "experiment" but I still need for someone to explain why this "experiment" works so well in other countries. We're not sending someone to Saturn. This crazy idea is actually implemented in many countries.
The context set in the article is unique to the US in terms of how costs of healthcare are managed. But that's a function of a dysfunctional system. If they could address the shaky underpinnings of the system, maybe a solid, stable "medicare for all" would be possible.
The tone of the article to me was like saying "We could never fly in an airplane because look at the Edsel!" Revamping the system admittedly would take a lot of work, will and vision, but mostly vision.
It "works in other countries" because the citizens (not just the wicked rich or nasty corporations) are taxed at a higher rate for the real cost of care and because care is rationed (either formally or through compromised quality and long waits). Some European countries seem to have a greater fondness for euthanasia than we do. A similar system would "work" here, if the citizens were willing to tolerate it. It's possible, with enough work, will and coercion.
I suspect we will eventually wind up with a public system, but would hope US citizens would be allowed to supplement it with private care. Sort of how education works. If you don't like what's offered by the government schools, you can at least pay extra for something you like better.
I suspect we will eventually wind up with a public system, but would hope US citizens would be allowed to supplement it with private care. Sort of how education works. If you don't like what's offered by the government schools, you can at least pay extra for something you like better.. I think that's reasonable. As long as we address the reasons the cost of healthcare per capita is so exorbitant in this country as compared with other countries. IMHO, a lot of it has to do with lack of transparency and accountability and pie-in-the-sky pricing.
Williamsmith
6-8-17, 9:38am
There is a enough fuel in the public health fire smoldering that threatens to ignite a firestorm of rage if any state legislature votes to roll earned public health care pension benefits into a single payer type system. These people are quite happy with their access to health care and it's affordability, have earned it and by legal contract have negotiated clear terms by which they are promised to be satisfied. Under no circumstances would some system like "Medicare" for all be accepted without severe strife. It's one thing to say that fulfillment of the contract is null and void because we are bankrupt.....quite another to say because it's for the good of the rest of the commonwealth.
ToomuchStuff
6-8-17, 9:56am
There is a enough fuel in the public health fire smoldering that threatens to ignite a firestorm of rage if any state legislature votes to roll earned public health care pension benefits into a single payer type system. These people are quite happy with their access to health care and it's affordability, have earned it and by legal contract have negotiated clear terms by which they are promised to be satisfied. Under no circumstances would some system like "Medicare" for all be accepted without severe strife. It's one thing to say that fulfillment of the contract is null and void because we are bankrupt.....quite another to say because it's for the good of the rest of the commonwealth.
In part, it already happened in one instance. IBM has gone back and forth over the years, over its retiree's health care. When the ACA passed, their pension care was moved from them to medicare with supplemental insurance, at the medicare eligible age (a high percentage of the retiree's).
Not sure how it affected early medically retired employee's, such as one I know from the Hyatt skywalk collapse.
There is a enough fuel in the public health fire smoldering that threatens to ignite a firestorm of rage if any state legislature votes to roll earned public health care pension benefits into a single payer type system. These people are quite happy with their access to health care and it's affordability, have earned it and by legal contract have negotiated clear terms by which they are promised to be satisfied. Under no circumstances would some system like "Medicare" for all be accepted without severe strife. It's one thing to say that fulfillment of the contract is null and void because we are bankrupt.....quite another to say because it's for the good of the rest of the commonwealth.
My understanding was that under the California plan the only exception would be military veterans. Retired cops and teachers would have the same coverage as illegal aliens. I would guess that if some form of this law survives to passage we will see a lot of lawsuits based on prior contracts. Public employee unions have a great deal of power in that state, so I would also expect a lot of legislative debate and demonstrating.
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