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frugal-one
10-30-17, 8:39pm
Surprised no one here has commented yet on today's indictment news! Meaning of indictment indicates a conspiracy!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html
Considering that Jeff Sessions was Popadopoulis's supervisor during the campaign (presumably the unnamed in his indictment supervisor that advised doing the russia trip) I suspect it's going to get a lot more interesting before this is over.
My take is that Manafort and Gates are small fish and they are trolling for a plea deal in exchange for witness testimony incriminating people higher on the food chain.
Meaning of indictment indicates a conspiracy!
What are you trying to say with this sentence above?
Williamsmith
10-30-17, 10:38pm
I read the indictment. It is not my intention to tell you what to think. Only that if you read the main stream newspapers and watch the main stream newscasts, you will not get a report on the facts of the matter. You will get not only propaganda but intentionally misleading statements.
The indictment is about money laundering and it deals with activities in the Ukraine. NATO has been involved in the manipulation of Kosovo, Serbia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine and Kiev for a decade. Activities such as this can only be funded by laundered money. Going against the will of NATO is a risky business but apparently lucrative. This is serious politics. These are dangerous times for all political operatives, on either side.
I agree, it will get more interesting but I think Trump will be a minor bit player in the movie. None of this was ever expected from both sides. It threw a monkey wrench in the whole works when Trump got elected. Now, somehow, they must get rid of him to set the world right again. As far as their investments are concerned, he has to go.
frugal-one
10-30-17, 10:51pm
What are you trying to say with this sentence above?
right click on indictment..... for definition
frugal-one
10-31-17, 7:42am
Just watched Fox News.... talking and trying to discredit Mueller. Now, that is a joke! Then on to trick-or-treat candy and other non-threatening topics. It is interesting to see!
Meaning of indictment indicates a conspiracy!
I thought the indictments are for money laundering and tax evasion.
I thought the indictments are for money laundering and tax evasion.
Agreed. Run of the mill criminal thugs just aren't that exciting. The real cliff-hanger storyline from yesterday is the Papadopoulos one. Considering the number of people he emailed it's sure to be must see tv. I've got plenty of popcorn on hand to watch how this one develops.
flowerseverywhere
10-31-17, 2:25pm
I don’t know how this all ends, but I got to thinking reading the indictment. This amount of money may seem normal to some of our leaders but it is beyond my comprehension. If tomorrow I came into say two or three million dollars, I could. drastically change my children’s, grandchildren’s and some others futures. Plus support some of my favorite charities with very generous contributions. What after that? I would not even think about a multi million dollar beach house for example, but a little house near the sea might be nice. What sums of money they are talking about is beyond my most imaginative comprehension. How.can someone be so greedy? What would you stop at?
the unknown is what the future will bring. Is this a net that will catch a lot of fish? Or will this be the end of it. Time will tell. I imagine they have seen some stuff sifting through all the evidence of these big players.
and the whole Papadakous issue, that was very interesting.
Since we are not attorneys specializing in this type of law we can only speculate. But I can imagine someone at 1600 is steaming. I loved the Hillary tweets. If she is guilty with a repub presidency, house and senate surely some committee or prosecutor can be assigned. They have the power. Use it if you think there is something to uncover.
ToomuchStuff
10-31-17, 7:48pm
This amount of money may seem normal to some of our leaders but it is beyond my comprehension. If tomorrow I came into say two or three million dollars, I could. drastically change my children’s, grandchildren’s and some others futures. Plus support some of my favorite charities with very generous contributions. What after that? I would not even think about a multi million dollar beach house for example, but a little house near the sea might be nice. What sums of money they are talking about is beyond my most imaginative comprehension. How.can someone be so greedy? What would you stop at?
This is why so many lottery winners end up broke. It is about perspective, emotions, ego, lifestyle. etc.
Three million dollars and you mentioned a multi million dollar house, the math doesn't add up.
I had a conversation with a former Royals player, about another Royals player, traded to the Yankee's, that took his ENTIRE salary and bought a house in LA for that exact amount, and was broke, in something like two years.
I have friends who are in the 20K a year category, and I can think of two that give away close to 10 times that a year. I can perceive these amounts, rather well.
Define greed.
Is this person greedy, or smart?
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/14/why-jay-leno-has-never-touched-a-dime-of-his-tonight-show-money.html
flowerseverywhere
11-1-17, 7:37am
This is why so many lottery winners end up broke. It is about perspective, emotions, ego, lifestyle. etc.
Three million dollars and you mentioned a multi million dollar house, the math doesn't add up.
I had a conversation with a former Royals player, about another Royals player, traded to the Yankee's, that took his ENTIRE salary and bought a house in LA for that exact amount, and was broke, in something like two years.
I have friends who are in the 20K a year category, and I can think of two that give away close to 10 times that a year. I can perceive these amounts, rather well.
Define greed.
Is this person greedy, or smart?
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/14/why-jay-leno-has-never-touched-a-dime-of-his-tonight-show-money.html
i wasn’t trying to make numbers add up, just rambling some thoughts.
Back to the OP, what’t The deal with three passports. From what I can figure out, there are special circumstances where you can get a second passport. And traveling under a fake name?
So far beyond our normal day to day life.
frugal-one
11-1-17, 1:29pm
Back to the OP, what’t The deal with three passports. From what I can figure out, there are special circumstances where you can get a second passport. And traveling under a fake name?
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No idea what you are talking about?
flowerseverywhere
11-1-17, 1:47pm
No idea what you are talking about?
manafort has 3 passports per Cnn.
This amount of money may seem normal to some of our leaders but it is beyond my comprehension. If tomorrow I came into say two or three million dollars, I could. drastically change my children’s, grandchildren’s and some others futures. Plus support some of my favorite charities with very generous contributions. What after that?
Two or three million dollars isn't abnormal. I am settling my mother-in-law's and father-in-law's estates, as they both passed away this year. Each estate is worth $2-$5 million. Each parent was a simple college professor. However they had the good sense to invest boringly and prudently starting in the 1940s, and they lived into their 90s, so time and frugal spending along the way allowed them to accumulate quite a nest egg. They also both arranged to perish before medical expenses devoured their savings in an attempt to live a last month or three.
Two million dollars invested with an eye towards capital preservation allows you to draw 4% a year. That's $80,000/year, and it's not tax-free. That's great, and you could live off that in much of the USA, but it's not going to be hugely life-changing for several generations of family at once.
Since we are not attorneys specializing in this type of law we can only speculate.
My wife is (was). She used to work for the FBI tracking down the crooks behind the savings & loans crisis, finding their ill-gotten gains, and forcing them to "disgorge" the loot. She's cackling with glee right now watching the rollup begin. The FBI is very very good at this sort of thing - most people think of the FBI as guys with guns and bad suits, but most of the FBI is accountants and lawyers, and they love this stuff.
Teacher Terry
11-3-17, 1:03pm
I hope your inlaws traveled or did/bought some of the things they wanted.
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