View Full Version : My Governor has been indicted :(
iris lilies
2-22-18, 7:26pm
He was indicted for “felony invasion of privacy” for taking a photo of his mistress. She did not squeal on him and she had to be subpoenaed to testify in front of the grand jury. She did not want this incident to go public.
Where is rob to moan about men’s rights!? This is creating a victim who doesnt want to be a victim.
Ths governor is probably toast. He was looking at a White House run. He is done.
personally, I like him as a person but I think he showed bad judgement in playing sex games with his mistress a mere 24 months before he ran for governor, and he probably did attempt to buy her silence with this photo. But who cares what he does with his dick, not me. He has also made some truly questionable decisions as a new governor and he has a campaign finance issue more problematic than any skirt issue.
The real problem here is not, of course any photo. It is the abuse of power by our City Attorney and her cronies in chasing this ridiculous charge. This idiotic attorney woman keeps moaning about lack of resources in her office to prosecute murderers. Meanwhile she dallies with this. She cant even get family members of murder victims and serious gun crime into the courts to testify against killers. Why doesnt she subpoena them? Hmmm, I guess because they can’t take down a Republican of note.
Hermann, MO is looking better and better for my permenent domicile.
LOL, IL, you are able to find a totally different slant on a unique problem of our times. I don't care whether someone is GOP or Dem but I would be concerned if a politician tried to manipulate his lover as it would, to me anyway, indicate a distinct willingness for inappropriate behaviour when in office. This in turn would make him vulnerable to blackmail, would it not? Where does one draw the line on one's expectations of politicians?
iris lilies
2-22-18, 8:03pm
LOL, IL, you are able to find a totally different slant on a unique problem of our times. I don't care whether someone is GOP or Dem but I would be concerned if a politician tried to manipulate his lover as it would, to me anyway, indicate a distinct willingness for inappropriate behaviour when in office. This in turn would make him vulnerable to blackmail, would it not? Where does one draw the line on one's expectations of politicians?
He should resign, and his political career is toast.
My expectation of politicians is pretty low, in answer to your question. But as part of the wave of New non-career politicians, he has no friends in our legislature and so, he is a goner. To bad this voter attempt at cleaning house of career pols is not working.
I have the opposite view of him than I have of Donald Trump: I like Governor Greitens but dont like much of what I hear he is doing in our state. Whereas withTrump, I cant stand him but I dont mind most of his political actions.
Iris, I guess MO is just trying to catch up to Illinois' record of governors in jail! :D
iris lilies
2-23-18, 12:22am
Iris, I guess MO is just trying to catch up to Illinois' record of governors in jail! :D
The rot from the East is invading us...
flowerseverywhere
2-23-18, 6:32am
If anything, it shows poor judgement and detracts from important things. In this day and age, don’t people realize these things get out? Surveillance cameras everywhere, the ability of people to capture pics with cellphones.
another waste of time and money for the state government due to his stupidity and indiscretion.
gimmethesimplelife
2-23-18, 2:13pm
The rot from the East is invading us...Or maybe it's spreading from the Southwest - Arizona has witnessed two different governors impeached within a space of less than ten years (in 1988 and 1995) for shady maneuverings with public monies.........Rob
He just needs to move to Alabama and make a fresh start.
I think the issue isn’t the photo, it’s the blackmail attempt he made with it.
iris lilies
2-23-18, 9:40pm
I think the issue isn’t the photo, it’s the blackmail attempt he made with it.
The actual felony charge is centered on taking her photo without her permission.
My guess is that they need more of her cooperation if they are going to stick him with a blackmail charge, and they arent getting her cooperation. Our City Attorney isnt all that good.
Where did I read that it was to her ex that she complained about the photo and the blackmail threat. Her ex has all the info and the records to back it up according to the report anyway. Creepy behaviour is dubious no matter what.
At the end of the day we can thank republicans for this situation. Prior to the mutually consenting Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky situation the press didn't cover politicians' personal lives. But the holier than though republicans had to get their panties in a twist over clinton, so now, every politician gets subjected to the same thing. Bummer. Anyone wanting to be a lifelong politician should probably get chemically castrated...
In Massachusetts the Senate President lost his position because his estranged husband groped other men and threatened them to keep silent because of his relationship with a powerful man. The president did not know this was happening.
flowerseverywhere
2-24-18, 8:49am
At the end of the day we can thank republicans for this situation. Prior to the mutually consenting Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky situation the press didn't cover politicians' personal lives. But the holier than though republicans had to get their panties in a twist over clinton, so now, every politician gets subjected to the same thing. Bummer. Anyone wanting to be a lifelong politician should probably get chemically castrated...
interesting, I never thought of it that way.
Williamsmith
2-24-18, 10:59am
interesting, I never thought of it that way.
Perhaps you never thought of it that way because you realize that the most powerful man in the free world while occupying the Oval Office in the House provided to him by the American taxpayers cannot reasonably be thought to have done nothing wrong by having oral sex with a young impressionable powerless woman aspiring to be something...anything. Because you realize that the crime of official oppression rightly applies to a man taking advantage of a woman based on his political power and her weak position. And then he lie about it by shaking his crooked wrinkled finger at the American taxpayers ...... so what happened to him was truly the f’in you get for the f’in you got.
I forgot to add, and this may be a more important point. This kind of “mutually consenting” thought came from the sameness genesis that rape victims are often accused of. “She asked for it...or she wanted it...or she didn’t say no.” Law has age definitions because it has to have defined ages for statutory rape. The assumption is that legally of person of a certain age cannot consent to a person of a certain greater age. It’s the foundation that child sex assault is built on. Sexual assault is not about sex.....it is about the power of the assault.
What happened in the Oval Office was about the power of assault....it had nothing to do with sex. Sex was only the means by which Clinton fulfilled his need for power.
gimmethesimplelife
2-24-18, 11:31am
You know.....I kind of take offense at how Americans seem to expect their politicians to play a certain role in their private lives. Get this - when Francious Mitterand died in France, both his wife and his mistress appeared at his funeral and they comforted each other in public. In France this is socially acceptable. I'm not saying this is right per se, but what I am saying is that politicians private lives in this area should be off the public radar.
Seriously. This whole business with Monica and Bill all those years ago? In my opinion this was not the public's business - this was between Bill and Hillary and Monica. I realize that America is not the only country that intrudes upon their politician's personal lives but why can't we be more like France? Seriously, life is short, we only get so many spins around the sun.....what Bill did was morally wrong in my book, yes, but it was also not the business of the general public. Jeepers, in this social and legal climate were I a politician I would NEVER have sex - it's too risky for a male politician these days, or for a male of any real financial means. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
2-24-18, 11:33am
At the end of the day we can thank republicans for this situation. Prior to the mutually consenting Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky situation the press didn't cover politicians' personal lives. But the holier than though republicans had to get their panties in a twist over clinton, so now, every politician gets subjected to the same thing. Bummer. Anyone wanting to be a lifelong politician should probably get chemically castrated...So depressing and so unnecessary. I don't like what this says about America that our politicians personal lives are wide open to the general public. Creepy and very much overreach. Ick. Rob
Chicken lady
2-24-18, 12:56pm
I don’t think the problem is in having a wife and a mistress.
if you have a wife and a mistress and you are able to manage both relationships such that not only do they both grieve for you, but they turn to each other for comfort - it shows that you have strong relationship skills, which are useful in a politician.
if you lie to your wife and threaten your mistress and hurt everyone involved, you are not a responsible grown up who should be managing his or her own life, let alone decisions that profoundly affect other people (public policy)
IMHO being poly has nothing to do with your suitability for office other than the opportunities it provides for interpersonal skills.
being dishonest and untrustworthy has a lot to do with it.
If the Clintons had stood up together and said “yes, he was having a sexual relationship with her and we all discussed it and thought we were on the same page and we are heartbroken to hear that Monica felt coerced and uncomfortable and unable to talk to us about it.” It would have been a very different conversation.
But on the plus side for equality the democratic female governor of Nashville is now out after having an affair with her police security dude on the city's dime. Maybe we need to start expecting our politicians to take a vow of celibacy. Or more accurately, admit that that's what we already expect.
dado potato
3-8-18, 10:24am
Some folks expect purity from politicians. I have a hunch they are seldom questioned as to why they do. Perhaps fundamentalist religion has something to do with it. (A 2% sample of the biblical references to purity can be found at 1 Thess 4:3-8 and Matt 5:28 ) Also, it has been observed that life in America is tribal, and each tribe has its own facts.
But on the plus side for equality the democratic female governor of Nashville is now out after having an affair with her police security dude on the city's dime. Maybe we need to start expecting our politicians to take a vow of celibacy. Or more accurately, admit that that's what we already expect.
The Nashville politican is more wrong than my governer in their sexual escapades because she abused public monies i do NOT expect piroty from politicans, that is silly. I am really really annoyed with our city attorney for spending public monies in taking down the governor for this entirely personal incident.
I will probably donate to his legal defense fund. While It is time for him to step down from politics because his ability to lead is compromised, the guy doesnt deserve to rack up huge legal bills.
Iris, you gonna contribute to the president's defense fund too? I mean heck, surely the porn star only did it with him because he's super hot in that way that pudgy old white guys with comb-overs are.
Iris, you gonna contribute to the president's defense fund too? I mean heck, surely the porn star only did it with him because he's super hot in that way that pudgy old white guys with comb-overs are.
The Donald has enough money for his own defense fund, but what has he been charged with again? I forget, or maybe I didnt hear about it. Or maybe it didnt happen, the charge I mean.
Iris, you gonna contribute to the president's defense fund too? I mean heck, surely the porn star only did it with him because he's super hot in that way that pudgy old white guys with comb-overs are.
Way to body-shame....
But on the plus side for equality the democratic female governor of Nashville is now out after having an affair with her police security dude on the city's dime. Maybe we need to start expecting our politicians to take a vow of celibacy. Or more accurately, admit that that's what we already expect.
In fairness, the issue was more about the money than the sex in the case of Nashville. The seventh commandment seemed more important than the sixth.
Also in the Missouri case, while the Governor is in fact a Republican, he has only been so since 2015. It might be fairer to refer to him as "trans-party", or "a recovering Democrat".
I don't see howling mobs of puritans out there, especially on the right. They voted in Trump, after all.
Greitens, “trans party.” I love that!
Agree that the Nashville politician cooked her goose by using tax dollars to pay her boyfriend for trips away, not for simply having an extra marital affair.
Way to body-shame....
You're right. I shouldn't have stated it that way. Especially since when I actually think about it, it's what's on the inside of him that I find repulsive. Well, that and the hair. I will shame him for that bad comb-over since it's a choice.
I don't see howling mobs of puritans out there, especially on the right. They voted in Trump, after all.
Yes, it does seem like a certain segment of people on the right got their family values at Hypocrites R Us.
Yes, it does seem like a certain segment of people on the right got their family values at Hypocrites R Us.
The most powerful guy in the world exploits a powerless intern, then perjures himself about it, and you want to make it about mere sex.
A mayor spends public money on her trysts, and you want to make it about mere sex.
A Governor (allegedly) attempts blackmail, and you want to make it about mere sex.
Who is the one with the hangup here?
I agree that. Bill'sbehavior was terribly unethical. However, even after the affair was over the intern didn't consider herself a victim. I'm willing to grant her the agency to make that determination. The person who harmed her the most in the whole thing was her 'friend' Linda Tripp.
Regarding Nashville, all my words matter.
But on the plus side for equality the democratic female governor of Nashville is now out after having an affair with her police security dude on the city's dime.
And I agree about the blackmail. Personally I don't think the affair, or the specific activity they were engaged in was anyone's business other than those involved and the guy's wife. Taking the blackmail photo, on the other hand, was a major problem and he deserves to have his career ended because of it. But to my original point, if we weren't so obsessed with our politico's sex lives maybe he wouldn't have felt the need to take a blackmail photo in the first place.
iris lilies
3-9-18, 4:41pm
Uh, Greitens was not charged with blackmail.
He has been charged with invasion of privacy. Our circuit attorney has a weak case against him because is a good legal case that this the woman who entered his basement and took off her clothing looses her expectation of privacy when she does those things. It is all legal technical arguments at this point.
It's certainly possible that he either didn't actually take pictures or that if he did he only intended them for personal use. At this point, unless there's a recording of the phone call it's just a he said, she said whether he actually threatened to potentially blackmail her. But by the same token, bill Clinton wasn't impeached for having sex with that woman, only for lying and trying to cover it up.
iris lilies
3-9-18, 8:30pm
It's certainly possible that he either didn't actually take pictures or that if he did he only intended them for personal use. At this point, unless there's a recording of the phone call it's just a he said, she said whether he actually threatened to potentially blackmail her. But by the same token, bill Clinton wasn't impeached for having sex with that woman, only for lying and trying to cover it up.
You people arent getting it.
Greitens’ girlfriend is not accusing him, there is no he said/she said repartee.
She did not bring charges. She may have been subpoenaed to talk to a grand jury, that part isnt clear and no one is talking about that.
She wants this incident kept quiet and people to leave her alone. Everyone knows her name but it has not been made public in an official way because she wants no part of it.
It is our malicious city attorney who is going full out to “get” Greitens as a political adversary. Kim Gardener is pulling out all stops to slut shame and embarrass the girlfriend for Gardener’s own political gain.So much for Womyn Powering Together and that crap..
Ok, it's apparently a he said/he said. If there's a recording that is actually the governor making the threat then he deserves whatever he's got coming. I'll leave it to a jury to make the determination on the validity of the recording. As for the woman, #metoo has caused some change, but the governor's political friends are still going to lash out at her if they find out who she is so I don't blame her for not wanting any part of this. She can see as well as anyone what ken starr's investigation did to Monica.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/in-third-meeting-panel-hears-from-man-who-released-greitens/article_0af76eef-c514-54b0-9dfb-4df12ccbce59.html
iris lilies
3-9-18, 10:30pm
Ok, it's apparently a he said/he said. If there's a recording that is actually the governor making the threat then he deserves whatever he's got coming. I'll leave it to a jury to make the determination on the validity of the recording. As for the woman, #metoo has caused some change, but the governor's political friends are still going to lash out at her if they find out who she is so I don't blame her for not wanting any part of this. She can see as well as anyone what ken starr's investigation did to Monica.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/in-third-meeting-panel-hears-from-man-who-released-greitens/article_0af76eef-c514-54b0-9dfb-4df12ccbce59.html
sure, a third party, the woman’s ex husband, is playing against her will a recording obtained without her knowledge and consent. So who is invading the woman’s privacy here, Kim Gardener? Pretty obvious to anyone with common sense.
Look, I think it is entirely possible that Eric Greitens took a photo of the girlfriend and hinted or even outright threatened her with it to obtain ner silence. But it is also entirely possible that he didn't and since there is no real victim, who the hell cares? Certainly not the “victim” herself since after this alleged incident she went right back to sex play with Greitens.
What remains undeniable is that Kim Gardener, weak and inefficient city attorney, has not brought charges against Greitens for blackmail. The charges are for taking a photograph. The woman in the photo isnt pressing charges, she wants nothing to do with the sordid public spectacle that Kim Gardener is genning up while wasting my tax dollars.
Obviously there IS a victim here. The dude got cuckolded. He's got to do something about it. Walking up to him in a bar and beating the crap out of the governor probably wasn't an option so he did the best he could. And if the governor did, in fact, take a non-consensual photo he's a dirtbag. And if he made threats with it he deserves to go to jail. Time and the court system, will figure out what the truth is.
flowerseverywhere
3-9-18, 11:43pm
What is so hard about restricting your sex life to a person you are married to? Anybody? Bueller?
I may may be an idiot but I honestly think that is what most people do.
iris lilies
3-10-18, 12:36am
What is so hard about restricting your sex life to a person you are married to? Anybody? Bueller?
I may may be an idiot but I honestly think that is what most people do.
without looking it up, what percentage of adults do you think admit to cheating on a spouse?
Obviously there IS a victim here. The dude got cuckolded.
Some people pay extra for that, heck.
I mean, it could be a mutually-consenting-sorta-thing, who knows? Who cares?
Some people pay extra for that, heck.
I mean, it could be a mutually-consenting-sorta-thing, who knows? Who cares?
Judging from his reaction, and the fact that they have since divorced I’m guessing not so much. But i agree. The importance of monogamt is in the eye of the beholder.
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