View Full Version : Does Donald Trump have single redeeming human quality?
I'm not being facetious. That question popped into my head this morning, and I couldn't think of a single one. As far as I can tell, he is a purely dishonest, mean-spirited, bigoted, misogynistic, disloyal, lazy, ignorant, insensitive, arrogant bully.
Am I missing something?
Well, I've been impressed by how much he loves his family and they love him--Melania excluded.
The Storyteller
3-6-18, 1:42pm
He seems a very sad and lonely man to me. I often feel sorry for him.
I’ll say this for the man: He’s not Mrs Clinton.
iris lilies
3-6-18, 2:37pm
Sometimes I think the Donald is funny, intentionally. And not all of those quips are written for him. The the funny bits at the Gridiron club last week were scripted, most likely, but his delivery was decent.
He makes good connections with audiences. Last fall he came to st. louis and we listened to his speech on the radio. He was good with that audience, sincere, funny, inspiring hope. He CAN bring it.
Teacher Terry
3-6-18, 2:54pm
I think the only person he loves is himself. We are the laughing stock of the world. Collectively the IQ in the US is certainly on the decline.
iris lilies
3-6-18, 3:09pm
I will point out that the title of the thread calls for redeeming qualities of the President.
silly me, I forget it is just an opportunity to bash, if a duplicitous one. Well, then , go forth and bash, whatever.
I’ll say this for the man: He’s not Mrs Clinton.
Agreed, but I'm not sure he's not Richard Nixon. I can't think of much good to say about the guy. I don't disagree totally with all of his policies, but his means don't justify the ends.
Teacher Terry
3-6-18, 3:37pm
IL: the thread asked a question and I answered it. BTW my DH is a smart man and voted for Trump. I think many would not vote for a woman and won't admit it. He mostly votes Republican anyways. Needless to say we don't talk politics in our house.
I'm not being facetious. That question popped into my head this morning, and I couldn't think of a single one. As far as I can tell, he is a purely dishonest, mean-spirited, bigoted, misogynistic, disloyal, lazy, ignorant, insensitive, arrogant bully.
Am I missing something?
No, you're not.
Agreed, but I'm not sure he's not Richard Nixon. I can't think of much good to say about the guy. I don't disagree totally with all of his policies, but his means don't justify the ends.
I think Nixon was a more Shakespearean sort of villain: clever, complex, flawed and hubristic.
Trump is more of an Aaron Sorkin villain: simple-minded, uncomplicated, gratuitously nasty. The perfect foil for characters who speak in manifestos.
I've been on internet discussion boards and before that BBS Chat rooms long enough to know that he's just continuing a predictable cycle. In the 80's it was a proven fact among all my liberal online friends that our President was the most evil person to ever inhabit the office, old and mean spirited. He was followed by his minion who as a previous head of the CIA was also evil incarnate, but in a refreshing bit of Democracy in action he was followed by the most brilliant president ever, who was then followed by the dumbest President ever, then the most brilliant (again) ever (and a minority to boot, that made him extra brilliant), and then there's Trump. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
I'm seeing a lot of dancing around the issue and sniping at Democrats, but few answers to my question, which, as I said, was not posed facetiously. I thought hard for five minutes about this and really could not think of a single positive quality.
So far I've got that he appears to love his children and they love him, and he is possessed of some wit. I'm not sure about the first--narcissists see their children as extensions of themselves. As for the kids, I have to wonder if they aren't just recognizing what side their bread is buttered on. But I guess it's possible they really love him.
As for wit, I suppose I've heard him make a few self-deprecating remarks, but 98% of his "humor" seems to be about insulting others, usually in the nastiest personal terms.
I can't think of anything, oldhat. Like you said, who knows if he really loves his kids.........or if they really love him. It's hard to believe that he hasn't been too hard on them......focusing more on them obeying, or accomplishing, rather than just being loved unconditionally.
I think Trump is a pathetic narcissist. I usually can feel something good about almost everyone..........but not him.
Early on Trump said something about being "unpresidented" [sic]. I think he nailed it.
I'm seeing a lot of dancing around the issue
Gun control is an issue. Immigration policy is an issue.
Really, really loathing Trump isn't an issue. It's more of a mental state or syndrome.
iris lilies
3-6-18, 6:53pm
I'm seeing a lot of dancing around the issue and sniping at Democrats, but few answers to my question, which, as I said, was not posed facetiously. I thought hard for five minutes about this and really could not think of a single positive quality.
So far I've got that he appears to love his children and they love him, and he is possessed of some wit. I'm not sure about the first--narcissists see their children as extensions of themselves. As for the kids, I have to wonder if they aren't just recognizing what side their bread is buttered on. But I guess it's possible they really love him.
As for wit, I suppose I've heard him make a few self-deprecating remarks, but 98% of his "humor" seems to be about insulting others, usually in the nastiest personal terms.
You missed my main point which is he connects with his audiences. That you are not his audience makes that fact easy to ignore, I suppose.
Every person I know who voted for Trump has stated they don't agree with his tactics..... albeit they are all Republicans and, I believe, this is the ONLY reason they voted for him. As Trump said early on... "I could kill someone and they would still vote for me." That being said, the only redeeming thing to many is that he is a Republican (or at least ran on that ticket).
Well, one good thing you could say about him is he takes after chimpanzees. I was just reading an article about Jane Goodall, and this is what she says:
“In many ways the performances of Donald Trump remind me of male chimpanzees and their dominance rituals," she told The Atlantic during the 2016 election. "In order to impress rivals, males seeking to rise in the dominance hierarchy perform spectacular displays: stamping, slapping the ground, dragging branches, throwing rocks. The more vigorous and imaginative the display, the faster the individual is likely to rise in the hierarchy, and the longer he is likely to maintain that position."
Mixed in with the garbage, he will speak uncomfortable truths. What other Republican president has told Congress to stop being afraid to defy the NRA?
Well, one good thing you could say about him is he takes after chimpanzees. I was just reading an article about Jane Goodall, and this is what she says:
“In many ways the performances of Donald Trump remind me of male chimpanzees and their dominance rituals," she told The Atlantic during the 2016 election. "In order to impress rivals, males seeking to rise in the dominance hierarchy perform spectacular displays: stamping, slapping the ground, dragging branches, throwing rocks. The more vigorous and imaginative the display, the faster the individual is likely to rise in the hierarchy, and the longer he is likely to maintain that position."
Yes, but comparing him to male chimpanzees is disrespecting male chimpanzees. :~)
Mixed in with the garbage, he will speak uncomfortable truths. What other Republican president has told Congress to stop being afraid to defy the NRA?
But he says things, just to be oppositional. He will change that position, depending on who he's talking to, and at which moment in time that it will be the most oppositional to someone.
Maybe it works with someone who is equally oppositional. Let's see if it does any good with Kim Jung-un.
Maybe it works with someone who is equally oppositional. Let's see if it does any good with Kim Jung-un.Mr. Kim is talking denuclearization this week. I wonder what's changed?
Mr. Kim is talking denuclearization this week. I wonder what's changed?
I didn't see your question here Alan, before I began a new thread on this subject. It's all very strange.
flowerseverywhere
3-6-18, 9:59pm
He has made us all realize that there are many bigoted hateful people in this world who would love to see any non white “christian” banned and evicted from this country. When you live in your white separate world it is hard to understand sometimes what people go through. He has made us realize what hate people face.
I have learned a lot a lot about a large group of people who usually don’t have a spotlight on them. The good people at Charlotte, the wonderful patriots at the NRA, the admirable Putin, and how wonderful president for life in China is. Seeing another side is always a good thing.
As the saying goes, everyone serves a purpose even if it's to set a horrible example.
While I didn’t like the policies of Bush #2 or Reagan, I didn’t dislike them as people.
I can’t stand Trump as a person. He is toxic.
flowerseverywhere
3-7-18, 7:48am
In the end, a very good thing will come out of all this. During the obama years, the pendulum swung pretty far to the left. The idea of sanctuary cities, illegals being able to attend university in California for free while my children would have had to pay out of state tuition, rise in food stamps and Medicaid expansion daca protection humming along with no real resolution and so on set up a simmering kettle that was bound to boil and overflow. Now we have many legislators saying loudly the opposite and gaining robust support
by having someone like Trump tweeting and saying the things he does, it has made many people who would sit back and assume someone else would fight the necessary fights take notice
Although the country is very very polarized right now, an equilibrium will be restored and we will end up somewhere in the middle.
So the thing many people hate the most about Trump, the tweets and name calling type behavior, is sparking a revolution, especially among young people. They are watching their peers being slaughtered, their future being polluted, women speaking up while a bunch of rich white “Christian” men spread their outdated ideas of what women should do, and see the income gap between the rich and poor widen and they will rise up and awaken and become better citizens for it.
In the end, a very good thing will come out of all this. During the obama years, the pendulum swung pretty far to the left. The idea of sanctuary cities, illegals being able to attend university in California for free while my children would have had to pay out of state tuition, rise in food stamps and Medicaid expansion daca protection humming along with no real resolution and so on set up a simmering kettle that was bound to boil and overflow. Now we have many legislators saying loudly the opposite and gaining robust support
by having someone like Trump tweeting and saying the things he does, it has made many people who would sit back and assume someone else would fight the necessary fights take notice
Although the country is very very polarized right now, an equilibrium will be restored and we will end up somewhere in the middle.
So the thing many people hate the most about Trump, the tweets and name calling type behavior, is sparking a revolution, especially among young people. They are watching their peers being slaughtered, their future being polluted, women speaking up while a bunch of rich white “Christian” men spread their outdated ideas of what women should do, and see the income gap between the rich and poor widen and they will rise up and awaken and become better citizens for it.
I see much of that too. I've discussed it with friends and they tend to think I'm delusional, but I can see the possibility that we come out of this for the better sometime down the road. An example i think of is Obamacare repeal, something that had been an imagined thorn in the side of one party faction for years. When the repeal vote finally became reality, people realized the issue was more political than practical and Obamacare was maybe not such a bad thing.
i have heard that the environment and global warming can probably tolerate one Trump term without a major setback, but not two terms. I'm not so sure and tend to think some of the environmental policy will make a permanent mark.
I also tend to think that any bureaucracy becomes bloated over time. In my corporate world we had lay-offs, hiring freezes, belt tightening, and severance packages routinely. Trump seems to be going about this with a shotgun rather than a surgical knife, but some of it has been been a long time coming.
I think Trump's economic policies are dangerous, but I have actively tried to avoid goods from China in the past until it became nearly impossible. They have an authoritarian government with a poor human rights record and their products are often of questionable quality. I'd rather have tariffs on cheap plastic goods sold to Walmart, but I really do not have a problem with tariffs on Chinese goods.
You missed my main point which is he connects with his audiences. That you are not his audience makes that fact easy to ignore, I suppose.
I think that's very true. To a certain segment of the population, the call-out culture, hashtag activists and self-styled elites whose primary argument is appealing to their own authority, I could see how his appeal would be completely incomprehensible. He refuses to be shamed. He seems to enjoy violating the "norms" they set for him. He in many ways fits the monstrous image they have tried to apply to his predecessors. Of course that segment will be driven to a visceral hatred. It's not enough that he's an obnoxious buffoon. He has a purity of evil with not a single redemptive quality. He is not human.
To another segment of the population, weary of being sneered at as bitter clingers and irredeemable deplorables, he provides a means of sneering back. Is that positive or healthy? Almost certainly not. Is it understandable? Yes.
Me, I think he's a lowlife opportunist who will do the country much harm in the long run. But I view him more as a political hack to be voted out rather than a demon to be exorcised. I don't see much point in nurturing a personal hatred.
Isn't "nurturing a personal hatred" just a normal reaction to someone in such a high position who is so selfish and ruining the country? It's not like he's here for a day or a week or a month or a year..........
Isn't "nurturing a personal hatred" just a normal reaction to someone in such a high position who is so selfish and ruining the country?
I don't believe it is normal or particularly healthy. I think making the political personal is an indicator of cultural poverty and political immaturity. You can oppose a politician without weighing yourself down with a burden of hate.
ApatheticNoMore
3-7-18, 11:26am
I see much of that too. I've discussed it with friends and they tend to think I'm delusional, but I can see the possibility that we come out of this for the better sometime down the road. An example i think of is Obamacare repeal, something that had been an imagined thorn in the side of one party faction for years. When the repeal vote finally became reality, people realized the issue was more political than practical and Obamacare was maybe not such a bad thing.
maybe R's will stop running on it's repeal, but the repeal of the individual mandate likely means that the already flawed Obamacare is going to start failing even more in many ways. So if one's concern is the people that depend on the already very flawed Obamacare, well I don't think it's looking up for them at all.
i have heard that the environment and global warming can probably tolerate one Trump term without a major setback, but not two terms. I'm not so sure and tend to think some of the environmental policy will make a permanent mark.
I don't think that this is here nor there, ok Trump is not the president we need for the environment or for even planning any sort of way to deal with not prevention but the fallout that is going to come (even building levies). He's a prefect example of a failure of leadership writ large for all to see. However to even imagine that Trump's 2 terms are the factor in *global* warming (yes the U.S. is a major emitter of greenhouse gasses but it's not the only one) much of which we are seeing is effects built in globally by past decades rather than present policies - well no. To blame him for local issues like not protecting local ecosystems due to decisions by his EPA is fine, but global warming dwarfs (or is that trumps) Trump. The feedbacks of global warming are likely much bigger at this point than any feedbacks trump can add or detract from so to say (arctic methane, dying trees etc.).
I think Trump's economic policies are dangerous, but I have actively tried to avoid goods from China in the past until it became nearly impossible. They have an authoritarian government with a poor human rights record and their products are often of questionable quality. I'd rather have tariffs on cheap plastic goods sold to Walmart, but I really do not have a problem with tariffs on Chinese goods.
trade with China has to be a contributor to global warming, a lot of things are going on that don't make sense, cases where we ship the raw materials to China, they manufacture something, and the finished good gets shipped back. In what world is that environmentally sane? So Trump shoots from the hip in maybe not that well thought out trade policy, but prior policy also was written by lunatics as far as I am concerned (because again in what sane world does shipping goods that can instead be made locally around the world make sense?)
Just to be clear, I don't hate Trump. Like several others here, I mostly pity him. He's clearly pathological and thus powerless to control his own behavior. Hating him would be like hating a rattlesnake. I just find his evident absence of human decency remarkable. I don't think I've ever met anyone like him in real life.
Teacher Terry
3-7-18, 1:17pm
I don't hate Trump either. Not wasting my life energy on that. I have not always agreed with other Republican presidents but I did not dislike them as people. I have always respected our President but it is impossible to do with this moron.
Well, one good thing you could say about him is he takes after chimpanzees. I was just reading an article about Jane Goodall, and this is what she says:
“In many ways the performances of Donald Trump remind me of male chimpanzees and their dominance rituals," she told The Atlantic during the 2016 election. "In order to impress rivals, males seeking to rise in the dominance hierarchy perform spectacular displays: stamping, slapping the ground, dragging branches, throwing rocks. The more vigorous and imaginative the display, the faster the individual is likely to rise in the hierarchy, and the longer he is likely to maintain that position."
OMG Catherine! That's awesome!
I don't hate Trump either. Not wasting my life energy on that. I have not always agreed with other Republican presidents but I did not dislike them as people. I have always respected our President but it is impossible to do with this moron.
Interestingly, I'd have to say I disliked most recent Repub presidents more than I dislike Trump, who, as I say, is in a class by himself. I thought Dubya was a spoiled, arrogant frat boy who had everything in life handed to him on a plate. A classic case of someone who was born on third base and grew up thinking he hit a triple.
Reagan did have to work for what he had, but his view of life was obviously that since he, born with charm and good looks, could make it, why couldn't everybody else? They must just be lazy.
I had no opinion about Poppy Bush one way or the other. He did preserve some of that old money sense of noblesse oblige, which is something, I suppose. And he wasn't a draft dodger like his son.
I hate Trump. And it feels good. :~)
ApatheticNoMore
3-7-18, 7:12pm
I don't really hate him, I have hated other Presidents worse, maybe as I thought they actually had the mental capacity for some awareness of their actions and their effects. But Trump, I don't think he really does. He lies but he doesn't have the brains to be truly calculating except in the most narrow narcissistic sense. It makes it harder to hate him on a personal level, hate his policies maybe.
What bothers me is the stealth moves of the congress in passing things that the press does not pay attention to as they are so busy with the buffoon in chief? Distraction while serious legislation is changing the country's laws.
Very well said. You are certainly right about this.
gimmethesimplelife
3-8-18, 7:21am
He seems a very sad and lonely man to me. I often feel sorry for him.You are a better person than I am - Thank You for your take here. I've never looked at the man this way......and I agree with your first sentence 100% - I'm working on your second sentence, trying to find some sympathy for him. Gotta say it's not easy but I am trying much as I dislike the man.......he genuinely does seem sad and lonely to me, also. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-8-18, 7:22am
I’ll say this for the man: He’s not Mrs Clinton.Myself and everyone I know in the 85006 is painfully aware of this fact on a daily basis. Are we ever! Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-8-18, 7:23am
I think the only person he loves is himself. We are the laughing stock of the world. Collectively the IQ in the US is certainly on the decline.I could not agree more with you here, TT. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-8-18, 7:29am
I've been on internet discussion boards and before that BBS Chat rooms long enough to know that he's just continuing a predictable cycle. In the 80's it was a proven fact among all my liberal online friends that our President was the most evil person to ever inhabit the office, old and mean spirited. He was followed by his minion who as a previous head of the CIA was also evil incarnate, but in a refreshing bit of Democracy in action he was followed by the most brilliant president ever, who was then followed by the dumbest President ever, then the most brilliant (again) ever (and a minority to boot, that made him extra brilliant), and then there's Trump. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.I disagree with your overall jib here if I may? Logical reason: Trump strikes fear in the hearts of those of low income at a deeper level than any Republican before him in my lifetime (I am 51 years of age for a reference point). No President other than Trump in my lifetime has me finding luggage very cheap at a thrift shop and then calling folks on my phone tree to let them know and ask them if I should buy it for them and have them pay me back later - luggage for getting packed and ready to run just in case. No prior President has ever brought out this need to be engaged with protecting others in quite this way..........to give the man some credit though, this is a quality in myself that I very much like that Trump has brought out. I just wish that Trump had not gotten in and this quality could be directed elsewhere.........but what is is. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-8-18, 7:35am
I hate Trump. And it feels good. :~)For me, Cathy, hate is such a strong word. I don't hate Donald Trump per se (even though I've posted very very very little positive about the man).....I personally fear him a great deal and I personally fear America (nothing new there) for voting someone of this low caliber in - this says a great deal about America and I'm afraid little if any of what it say is positive or flattering. Though even here I find a silver lining......the world overall is seeing America differently now and is distancing itself from us. I see this as very positive for the rest of the world given that there is much wrong with America. Rob
I don't think that this is here nor there, ok Trump is not the president we need for the environment or for even planning any sort of way to deal with not prevention but the fallout that is going to come . ....However to even imagine that Trump's 2 terms are the factor in *global* warming (yes the U.S. is a major emitter of greenhouse gasses but it's not the only one) much of which we are seeing is effects built in globally by past decades rather than present policies - well no. To blame him for local issues like not protecting local ecosystems due to decisions by his EPA is fine, but global warming dwarfs (or is that trumps) Trump. The feedbacks of global warming are likely much bigger at this point than any feedbacks trump can add or detract from so to say (arctic methane, dying trees etc.).
trade with China has to be a contributor to global warming, a lot of things are going on that don't make sense, cases where we ship the raw materials to China, they manufacture something, and the finished good gets shipped back. In what world is that environmentally sane? So Trump shoots from the hip in maybe not that well thought out trade policy, but prior policy also was written by lunatics as far as I am concerned (because again in what sane world does shipping goods that can instead be made locally around the world make sense?)
I suppose it is all in relative degrees, but I would tend to think that 4 or 8 years of reversion to fossil fuel technology and roll back of environmental regulations may not be major, but may be significant. When you lay off half the EPA with cumulative experience that probably amounts to centuries, it is going to take some time to replace them. The National Renewable Energy Lab near my home is facing similar lay offs. Coal power plants don't flip a switch to natural gas or wind and then back again. I'm increasingly running into the Derick Jensen type attitude that there is really nothing significant the average person can do, short of revolution, and there is no use trying, probably for some of the reasons you mention.
I think "hate" might mean different things to different people. I DO think about Trump as a small child, and how his parents (especially father) must have treated him, to make him think the way he does...........Or, maybe he was born this way. Yes, I can feel sorry for him.
I was raised by a hateful man......I think he was a narcissist too, or maybe just so damaged from his own childhood. But my point is, I was different than Trump (and my father)....and capable of great compassion. I've always wondered why some people can "rise above" their upbringing, and some become an extension/mirror of the cruel people in their childhoods.
But........no matter how awful someone's childhood was, they eventually are responsible for who they have become. Hopefully, they have the introspection to help guide them to a different way to live and feel. I don't feel that Trump has this ability.......nor the desire. I'm not saying people aren't redeemable, ....and maybe some are just too broken, but I sure don't see any chink in Trump's emotional armor.
I think "hate" might mean different things to different people. I DO think about Trump as a small child, and how his parents (especially father) must have treated him, to make him think the way he does...........Or, maybe he was born this way. Yes, I can feel sorry for him.
I was raised by a hateful man......I think he was a narcissist too, or maybe just so damaged from his own childhood. But my point is, I was different than Trump (and my father)....and capable of great compassion. I've always wondered why some people can "rise above" their upbringing, and some become an extension/mirror of the cruel people in their childhoods.
But........no matter how awful someone's childhood was, they eventually are responsible for who they have become. Hopefully, they have the introspection to help guide them to a different way to live and feel. I don't feel that Trump has this ability.......nor the desire. I'm not saying people aren't redeemable, ....and maybe some are just too broken, but I sure don't see any chink in Trump's emotional armor.
You raise great questions, Cathy. You rose above being raised by a nasty father (by your description). I often wonder about Trump's father. Interesting dynamic with the two sons--one becomes a narcissist/meglomaniac and the other dies an alcoholic.
There was a quote that I've always loved that I thought Will Rogers said: "I can't hate anyone I know" But I just tried to find it online and the quote is actually "I never met a man I didn't like." Kind of the same thing.
But the closest I found to the quote I'm thinking of is by Margaret J. Wheatley: "You can't hate anyone whose story you know." I think that's true.
I don't hate Donald Trump but he bugs the heck out of me, and makes me shake my head in bewilderment. I do hate his policies, however, particularly the ones that are hostile to the environment--and there are so many of them.
Don't hate; more repulsed by him.
ApatheticNoMore
6-22-18, 3:12pm
Don't hate; more repulsed by him.
you and Melania :laff:
you and Melania :laff:
:laff:
This whole situation makes me think of "The Beverly Hillbillies Go to Washington." Sometimes you have to laugh, if only for a moment. And then get to work.
you and Melania :laff:
:laff:
I wonder if we'll see a book in the future called something like "Trumpy Dearest".
I don't care how rich he is, I can't imagine being married to him. Nothing would be worth that. YUK.
Is it time for two minutes hate again?
My watch must be slow.
Is it time for two minutes hate again?
My watch must be slow.Trump, the new Goldstein, although the object of scorn is irrelevant, it's the hate that's important.
gimmethesimplelife
6-22-18, 7:58pm
You know, about Donald J Trump.....I never posted this here but I did recently have rare kind words for him which I posted on Facebook which stunned a few people on my FB page. So what did Trump do that I approve of, you ask? Fair question. He signed some legislation recently that enables sick Americans to the right to try experimental treatments that not have not yet cleared the FDA, thereby saving very sick people the need to flee the United States to access this care. This I very much approve of.
The love didn't last long, however, as the very next day he did something inhumane that totally pissed me off. But to his credit, this hard core liberal wishes to say one positive thing.....I am glad Trump signed this very humane legislation, pissed off at him though I continue to be. It's better than batting a total zero and it may help desperate people. Rob
Is it time for two minutes hate again?
My watch must be slow.
While I agree that vague, directionless hate is not particularly productive, you have to give the man credit. As a reality tv star, par excellence, he's a master at creating new things to keep these two minute sessions fresh and vibrant.
Not sure that fits the OP's definition of "redeeming quality" but hey, at least I just gave him props for having an impressive skill...
Williamsmith
6-23-18, 7:37am
All this misguided “hatred” for one man diverts attention from what could be understood about a good portion of the country. After all, political leaders are merely symbolic of movements. Donald Trump may live closer to home than you think.
Teacher Terry
6-23-18, 9:31am
WS, it is scary to think about how many people are racist etc.
All this misguided “hatred” for one man diverts attention from what could be understood about a good portion of the country. After all, political leaders are merely symbolic of movements. Donald Trump may live closer to home than you think.
I saw a segment on CNN about how the vulgar mud-slinging by liberals at Trump is actually backfiring--causing his supporters to run to his defense. I am so sick of the superficial sound bites on both sides.
iris lilies
6-24-18, 9:11am
I saw a segment on CNN about how the vulgar mud-slinging by liberals at Trump is actually backfiring--causing his supporters to run to his defense. I am so sick of the superficial sound bites on both sides.
You just figured ths out?
The liberal media had a big hand in electing Trump. A BIG one.
catherine
6-24-18, 11:22am
You just figured ths out?
The liberal media had a big hand in electing Trump. A BIG one.
I can sort of go way back to that point, but I think the recent events have made it even worse. Now my conservative friends are posting memes about "a baker can't refuse to bake a cake, but a restauranteur can refuse to serve a dinner" All this vitriol is toxic, whether it's flung by liberals or conservatives. Even if Trump was the first to start the "hate domino" toppling, which he was, what good is it to keep it going?? What I loved about MLK is he wouldn't let his followers return evil for evil or hate for hate. We need some liberal leadership that can stand up to Trump's fear- and hate-mongering with hate-less resistance.
We need some liberal leadership that can stand up to Trump's fear- and hate-mongering with hate-less resistance.Unfortunately, in my humble opinion, there is nothing more illiberal than a modern liberal. The extreme left controls the media and culture and sells hate through every modern communications outlet that we as a society have come to depend upon.
I've come to believe that overall, modern liberalism is an emotion, devoid of reason, unaware of cause and effect, unable to see people as individuals rather than as a race or gender, intolerant of ideals or beliefs that do not mirror their own and promotes condescension,vulgarity and rudeness. It's adherents live in the moment and seem oblivious to history or real life events which shaped specific cultural norms, nor do they concern themselves with potential long term consequences associated with their immediate wants.
They shouldn't be surprised when their hate engenders sympathy for their victims or resistance to their group-think, and yet many of them still are.
Your mileage may vary.;)
ApatheticNoMore
6-24-18, 1:06pm
The liberal media had a big hand in electing Trump. A BIG one.
the corporate media covered Trump much more than all the other candidates and on that there is data. So yes they probably did have a hand in getting him elected (but it was good for eyeballs and thus advertising revenues or something - just doing what a corporation's gotta do). Far, far more coverage than any other candidate.
We need some liberal leadership that can stand up to Trump's fear- and hate-mongering with hate-less resistance. My corollary would be that we need some conservative leadership to stand up against the moral issues where T seems to fall of the side of deceit, false truths, and poor judgement. In it's basic essence I see hate and vitriol on both ends of the spectrum.
Unfortunately, in my humble opinion, there is nothing more illiberal than a modern liberal. The extreme left controls the media and culture and sells hate through every modern communications outlet that we as a society have come to depend upon.
While I cannot speak to the conservative or the liberal bias in the US, I must protest the assumption that the extreme left controls the media and culture and sells hate. It is simply not true. The CBC does not so is an alternative readily available with some really in-depth analysis. I get prompt updates on genuine political actions in the US more readily on CBC than the US media. The Christian Science Monitor never has in over 100 years and never will sell hate. Incorrect generalizations diminish the point that you may be trying to make.
If one goes to the same sources all the time, don't expect different results. This is a general observation not directed to anyone in particular.
I've come to believe that overall, Trump and his supporters are an emotion, devoid of reason, unaware of cause and effect, unable to see people as individuals rather than as a race or gender, intolerant of ideals or beliefs that do not mirror their own and promotes condescension,vulgarity and rudeness. He and his adherents live in the moment and seem oblivious to history or real life events which shaped specific cultural norms, nor do they concern themselves with potential long term consequences associated with their immediate wants.
Fixed it for you.
My corollary would be that we need some conservative leadership to stand up against the moral issues where T seems to fall of the side of deceit, false truths, and poor judgement.
George Will seems to agree with you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vote-against-the-gop-this-november/2018/06/22/a6378306-7575-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.d490e6520acb
My corollary would be that we need some conservative leadership to stand up against the moral issues where T seems to fall of the side of deceit, false truths, and poor judgement. In it's basic essence I see hate and vitriol on both ends of the spectrum.
Look at the writings of Republican strategist Steve Schmidt*; he's one, along with George Will, Michael Steele, and an increasing number of other Conservatives who are standing up to Trumpism. And what is the proper response to rise of authoritarianism, neo-Fascism, and xenophobic policy decisions? I don't blame people for directing their rage (and hopefully, their action) towards the current regime.
*"For months, Steve Schmidt, a longtime Republican strategist, has warned about the degradation of his party, saying the Trump administration is responsible for a “coarsening of this country” and calling the president a “useful idiot” for Russia.
Now, Mr. Schmidt says he’s done: On Wednesday morning, he renounced his membership in the Republican Party, nearly three decades after joining it, and called for a Democratic wave in the midterm elections this fall." (New York Times, June 20, 2018)
Fixed it for you.
Thank you, I'm always pleased to see others make my points for me, even if at it's core it's nothing more than "I know you are but what am I" taunts. :thankyou:
Thank you, I'm always pleased to see others make my points for me, even if at it's core it's nothing more than "I know you are but what am I" taunts. :thankyou:
So, conservatives are allowed to say negative things about liberals but when liberals do the same we're just whiny interest groups. Got it. If all you took from my post was " I know you are but what about me" you completely missed the point. Maybe you should read George Will's latest column to get an understanding.
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