Water water everywhere

[Yppej]

And not a good drop to drink.

Concerned about lead given my old house and old municipal water supply, distrustful of the government post-Flint, and hating the taste of tap water I have been drinking bottled water. Now today's news reports frequent small pieces of plastic found in bottled water.

So I am thinking maybe I should get a filter to attach to the sink. Thoughts? Recommendations?

[Williamsmith]

You can buy it in the gallon jugs. It’s a different kind of plastic container than the bottles, and it’s cheaper. Or you can have a sample of your water tested. With your history I would pay extra to have it tested for lead. Then decide what water filtration system you need.

[Yppej]

I do buy the gallons for cooking. So maybe I need convenience containers not made of plastic to take it places.

[CathyA]

I bought a small distiller and it works great. If my water were really bad (potentially toxic), I'd probably buy a bigger one..........but that doesn't have any minerals in it, but you can add them, or just get them from food.
You could always buy a reverse osmosis set-up.

[Yppej]

I never thought of distilling water. It looks like it would up my electric bill to do it myself, but my supermarket does sell distilled water by the gallon. Thankd for both your input.

[Williamsmith]

If you haven’t read this thread...check it out. Some stuff about water in it.

http://www.simplelivingforum.net/showthread.php?15789-Why-I-Don%92t-Recycle&highlight=Water+testing

[catherine]

I like the filter attached to the sink option. Eliminates plastic bottles altogether. As humble as my little house in VT is, the previous owners installed a Westinghouse filtration system under the sink so I'll let you know how it is.

I never considered buying water to cook with. I just assumed that boiling water would purify most of the things I'd be concerned about. Probably not lead, but I don't have that particular concern.

Just as aside--not a criticism of you, Yppej, but it really bugs me that in this first world country, where municipal water is so cheap and water supply has never been called into question, we are forced to buy "premium" water. What happens when that runs out? Or will bottlers be able to control the market the same way DeBeers controls diamonds?

Is Cape Town the canary in the mine for what's going to happen to the rest of the world?
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/cape-town-running-out-of-water-drought-taps-shutoff-other-cities/

[Williamsmith]

I used to buy bottled water out of convenience. I got used to just reaching in the frig and grabbing a 500 ml bottle of water as I ran out the door. I certainly wasn’t out of necessity. I had a functioning well 75 ft deep that never ran out of water but having the well tested was something I put off out of laziness. My budget permitted the convenience of bottles.

Then I moved to a location that was supplied by a municiple system fed by three deep wells. I kept up the bottle consumption until just recently. I decided to have my tap water tested at a University Lab. The water tested perfectly for consumption so I began drinking it and using it for cooking. I do however, filter my drinking water with a PUR carbon filtration cartridge. I am fortunate to have “free” drinking water. No more lugging cases of bottled water.

I always felt like a consumer nitwit for buying into that and suspected it was a scam. My first indication was when a local bottling company began selling bottled water under the name of some kind of healthy sounding Springs. I knew the water was coming from their boro supply straight out of their taps and their was a Superfund site for hazardous materials right next to the bottling plant. The local chemical factory had been burying their hazardous waste byproducts for years and it polluted the water table.

When you read read the source for the cheaper bottled water......it makes you cringe.

[CathyA]

Is there a reliable faucet filter that removes really bad stuff? I never got one, since our main problem here is with high fluoride, and no faucet filter removes that. Reverse osmosis does, I think........but I didn't feel like messing with that....and having to change those huge filters (3?) fairly often and it wastes a lot of water in the process.

We had a big water test done recently, and besides the fluoride being high, so is coliform.........which means soil is getting in. fortunately, no e-coli. We'll chlorinate the well again, but it doesn't help with the high fluoride. I've always wondered if that's why I have so many joint problems (as have our pets).
I think the country is headed towards a big clean water problem. That would be horrible.

I still prefer well water to city water though. I don't trust city water. Ick.

[Williamsmith]

Is there a reliable faucet filter that removes really bad stuff? I never got one, since our main problem here is with high fluoride, and no faucet filter removes that. Reverse osmosis does, I think........but I didn't feel like messing with that....and having to change those huge filters (3?) fairly often and it wastes a lot of water in the process.

We had a big water test done recently, and besides the fluoride being high, so is coliform.........which means soil is getting in. fortunately, no e-coli. We'll chlorinate the well again, but it doesn't help with the high fluoride. I've always wondered if that's why I have so many joint problems (as have our pets).
I think the country is headed towards a big clean water problem. That would be horrible.

I still prefer well water to city water though. I don't trust city water. Ick.

I was ignorant of naturally occurring fluoride in well water. A nearby city had a nasty debate about adding fluoride to the water. They eventually opted to do it even though it was going to add cost to furnishing water. I didn’t know that a higher than therapeutic level of fluoride is considered a contaminant and would cause bone structure issues, calcification and joint maladies. I’d be installing a filtration system , reverse osmosis and getting rid of it if I drank the water.

[SteveinMN]

We've had a filter on the kitchen sink since ... well, since I moved in about 15 years ago. We started with a PUR but when that one failed after "not long enough" I switched to a DuPont filter, which has the advantage of twice the capacity (so fewer spent filter cartridges live in a landfill forever). We don't have major water problems here in the city, but I prefer the taste of the filtered water and I find (through anecdotal experience) that water-heating appliances (coffeemaker, pots, etc.) seem to show less damage from the hard water we have here.

That hard water, btw, has a bonus effect: many of the pipes leading into the older houses here are made of lead. They are being replaced, slowly. But they've discovered that, over the years, the calcium in the water has lined the pipes fully, sealing away any contact with the lead. Lead levels in tests here do not show dangerous levels of the metal.


I never considered buying water to cook with. I just assumed that boiling water would purify most of the things I'd be concerned about. Probably not lead, but I don't have that particular concern.

Just as aside--not a criticism of you, Yppej, but it really bugs me that in this first world country, where municipal water is so cheap and water supply has never been called into question, we are forced to buy "premium" water. What happens when that runs out? Or will bottlers be able to control the market the same way DeBeers controls diamonds?
Boiling water takes care of bugs like e. coli. But boiling water does not remedy a sulfur smell or a very high iron content in the water. People filter water for different reasons; sometimes the initial expense of filtering water for an entire house is too high so bottled water is used instead.

I also will note that I often will choose bottled water when given a choice of drinks. At catered events, I don't want to drink pop or other sugary drinks, but there's almost always bottled water available. At some chain quick-service restaurants they'll give you a (tiny) cup to fill at the pop dispenser, but many "indies" either don't have that kind of dispenser or don't offer tap water. When I work volunteer events, they provide bottled water, not a water tap for my own container (which I then would have to keep track of). I don't use bottled water at home unless we've got some left over from some outside event. It would be nice if water taps were provided readily, but that's not the case in so many situations.

[rosarugosa]

We use a Brita pitcher.

[Tybee]

I have been drinking well water for most of my adult life, with a few years drinking city waters unfiltered.
I am very happy drinking well water.
I did get a new house we were looking at to buy water tested and rejected the house because it had uranium at 7 times the EPA limit. We are looking at another house now and it is in the town where they bottle the spring water as Poland Spring water, so am not worried about the quality of that one, although we will get it tested to be safe.

Big fan of getting your water tested, costs 165 dollars and you get lots of useful info. But I never tested city water, for obvious reasons.

[catherine]

Boiling water takes care of bugs like e. coli. But boiling water does not remedy a sulfur smell or a very high iron content in the water. People filter water for different reasons; sometimes the initial expense of filtering water for an entire house is too high so bottled water is used instead.

I also will note that I often will choose bottled water when given a choice of drinks. At catered events, I don't want to drink pop or other sugary drinks, but there's almost always bottled water available. At some chain quick-service restaurants they'll give you a (tiny) cup to fill at the pop dispenser, but many "indies" either don't have that kind of dispenser or don't offer tap water. When I work volunteer events, they provide bottled water, not a water tap for my own container (which I then would have to keep track of). I don't use bottled water at home unless we've got some left over from some outside event. It would be nice if water taps were provided readily, but that's not the case in so many situations.

Yeah, I'm not the Plastic Police... I drink out of bottles on occasion. I brought two big jugs of water to Vermont since our plumbing is still filled with antifreeze (Hmm..I wonder how ecologically sound THAT is?). But when it comes to drinking out of plastic bottles, one has to be reasonable--we're all going to do it in situations such as the ones you mention, Steve. I had very hard water up in upstate NY, but to be honest, I never once bought bottled water. It wasn't done then. We drank it out of the tap.

So, this is one of those things where you think, well, what did we do 20-30 years ago? We had the ubiquitous water fountain, for one thing. We drank out of garden hoses. Now, people go "eeewww--chemicals from the city water supply! Germs from the last guy who gulped here!"

I can see how the taste out of the tap is sometimes chemical-tasting, but I truly get annoyed by people like my BIL who says, "Oh, I hate Evian. I like the taste of Dasani." I guess I don't have a discerning palate, but what I like the taste of is public water that's cheap, accessible, and meets minimum standards for safety.

[Williamsmith]

Yeah, I'm not the Plastic Police... I drink out of bottles on occasion. I brought two big jugs of water to Vermont since our plumbing is still filled with antifreeze (Hmm..I wonder how ecologically sound THAT is?). But when it comes to drinking out of plastic bottles, one has to be reasonable--we're all going to do it in situations such as the ones you mention, Steve. I had very hard water up in upstate NY, but to be honest, I never once bought bottled water. It wasn't done then. We drank it out of the tap.

So, this is one of those things where you think, well, what did we do 20-30 years ago? We had the ubiquitous water fountain, for one thing. We drank out of garden hoses. Now, people go "eeewww--chemicals from the city water supply! Germs from the last guy who gulped here!"

I can see how the taste out of the tap is sometimes chemical-tasting, but I truly get annoyed by people like my BIL who says, "Oh, I hate Evian. I like the taste of Dasani." I guess I don't have a discerning palate, but what I like the taste of is public water that's cheap, accessible, and meets minimum standards for safety.

You haven’t had great bottled water until you tasted “FIJI”! Just sayin.

[Yppej]

My city water tastes nasty and is fluoridated. I have heard Fiji is the best but never bought it due to cost. I found a company called Green Sheep Water in Chicago that sells water in aluminum cans, convenient if you are on the go, but only in 14 states and mine is not one of them.

[lmerullo]

Ok, feel free to crucify me...I buy the flats of water at a warehouse store. My dh drinks two or three a day, minimum. He's in construction and we're in Florida. He often can't source drinking water in a jobsite. I've tried giving him reusable bottles but he can't or won't keep track of them.

I carry a stainless steel cup with me everywhere. Filled with ice in the morning, and refilled through the day from the spigots At work and I'm good to go!

At home, we filter through the refrigerator for drinking but cooking is done out of the tap with municipal water. My good friend is the license holder for the water system here and he says it's very good at my house. City / county water could have issues at the end of a run if demand is not great enough and stagnation occurs. There's a great deal of water "blown off" for this reason - plans called for development in the future, so super large lines were run, then two or three houses went in and the water doesn't move through fast enough. They'll open the hydrants here about every other week in designated spots to purge their lines.

[Tradd]

The only time I drink bottled water is when out diving. The quarry doesn’t have any potable water. On the dive boat, you might go through 4-5 bottles. Being very well hydrated is necessary to help prevent the bends.

I’ve just solved the problem with water at the quarry. Got one of those big insulated cooler jugs. Think mine is 2 gallons. Will fill it with ice and water at home and I’ll fill my reusable cup.

[Yppej]

I found a reusable water bottle at home of a different, sturdier plastic I am using until I get to the store to buy an aluminum one.

[Zoe Girl]

I use a reusable water bottle, always have one with me. I tend to lose them now and then, but still have each one about 2 years. I love nalgene, wide mouth. I can even pop in a mixer ball and protein powder with almond milk as long as I wash it well. I am not sure about other places or work environments but pretty much everyone I work with has a reusable bottle with them all the time, meetings, running programs, etc. At the beginning of the year I bought a Brita pitcher for our fridge at work so my staff would be encouraged to use their water bottles and stay hydrated, I had an adult dehydrate one summer camp so I push water for kids and adults.

When my son started at a public high school (building about 100 years old) here in the city he didn't understand why everyone had a water bottle, and then he tried the fountain. He had a water bottle the next day. I just went to a training class there and they now have the quick fill stations for water bottles and must have better tasting water now.

[catherine]

My city water tastes nasty and is fluoridated. I have heard Fiji is the best but never bought it due to cost. I found a company called Green Sheep Water in Chicago that sells water in aluminum cans, convenient if you are on the go, but only in 14 states and mine is not one of them.

I bought boxed water at an airport once.

http://target-addict.blogspot.com/2015/05/new-at-target-boxed-water.html

Interesting idea. Have no idea if boxed water is better than plastic bottles, but it's probably slightly better. Not sure why I don't see more of it. Probably the cartons are more expensive than the cheap plastic.

[Yppej]

Interesting Catherine. Thanks for posting.