View Full Version : Poor George H.W. Bush
I feel so bad for him. I said to my husband after she died........he'll go soon. And now it sounds like he's septic. Sadness can really affect your body.
Bless his heart. How can you go on after losing someone who's been with you for so long?
Ultralight
4-24-18, 6:08pm
It is sad, for certain. But I think if I had a life partner pass away after a lifetime together I would not want to go on.
It happens often that when one partner goes, I think the other has no reason to hang in there any longer.
It's not unusual for long-married partners (even bonded animals) to check out within days or hours of each other. They both lived long and privileged lives; I see no reason to feel sorry if he should check out.
I think I would be very blessed and happy to pass quickly under those circumstances.
Teacher Terry
4-25-18, 11:51am
Given his health and long life I agree with Tybee.
I agree too. But until then, I'm sure his heart is broken.
gimmethesimplelife
4-25-18, 3:04pm
Though I did not care for the Senior Mr. Bush as President (I always wanted to ask him if guaranteed access to health care for all US Citizens was one of the thousand points of light he saw in his infamous speech) I do feel sorry for him and his recent loss. It can't be easy for him to deal with this but I understand that the day after Barbara's burial he was in the hospital with some kind of infection and was said to be eager to leave the hospital and continue on with life. Wishing him the best (though I do remain politically opposed to him) - Rob
Jane, I wasn't feeling sorry if he should die. I just was thinking about his missing Barbara.
Jane, I wasn't feeling sorry if he should die. I just was thinking about his missing Barbara.
Doesn't he profess Christianity? So he should be comforted knowing they'll be together soon. (So he can kick her ass one last time. Which will make no sense to you if you haven't seen the infamous video.)
dado potato
4-25-18, 7:52pm
Bush 41 is out of intensive care, and it looks like he will remain in hospital for some time. At the present time he is expressing gratitude.
Jane, speaking of ass he was grabbing other womens' from his wheelchair. Where is the MeToo outrage? It was not a medical tremor. A spokesperson confirmed it was deliberate.
And I will never forget Barbara Bush saying it wasn't bad for Katrina evacuees to be living in shelters because they were underprivileged anyways. I am getting tired of the uncritical adulation of this family by the media. Oh, they were into "public service". Puhlease. Their idea of public service was serving their upper class interests. They're no (also rich) Kennedys.
Who knew we had so many Randa Jarrar fan club members on this site?
frugal-one
4-25-18, 9:33pm
Jane, speaking of ass he was grabbing other womens' from his wheelchair. Where is the MeToo outrage? It was not a medical tremor. A spokesperson confirmed it was deliberate.
And I will never forget Barbara Bush saying it wasn't bad for Katrina evacuees to be living in shelters because they were underprivileged anyways. I am getting tired of the uncritical adulation of this family by the media. Oh, they were into "public service". Puhlease. Their idea of public service was serving their upper class interests. They're no (also rich) Kennedys.
I think the whole reason for this post was to show empathy for a person who lost a spouse after being married so many years. IMO you are reading too much into this. Also, Bush has Parkinson's.... I did not see the incident about ass grabbing but imagine his mind is not "all there".... dementia, etc.
His spokesperson said he thought the groping was "good natured". The victims thought otherwise. And the newscasters go on and on about this great marriage despite numerous reports of him cheating on Barbara over the years. I wonder what pablum they will come up with when one of the Clintons goes. Longevity does not automatically make a marriage great.
I think the whole reason for this post was to show empathy for a person who lost a spouse after being married so many years. IMO you are reading too much into this. Also, Bush has Parkinson's.... I did not see the incident about ass grabbing but imagine his mind is not "all there".... dementia, etc.
Yep....exactly!
His spokesperson said he thought the groping was "good natured". The victims thought otherwise. And the newscasters go on and on about this great marriage despite numerous reports of him cheating on Barbara over the years. I wonder what pablum they will come up with when one of the Clintons goes. Longevity does not automatically make a marriage great.
What the hell is 'good-natured groping?" Unless it's among friends, and welcome, it's assault where I come from. It's possible Bush is suffering from dementia now, which could provide an excuse.
Well Bush got away with it but at least Cosby got convicted. I wonder if this will come up on the white privilege thread.
iris lilies
4-26-18, 6:35pm
Well Bush got away with it but at least Cosby got convicted. I wonder if this will come up on the white privilege thread.
You are not really equating the two men’s transgressions with women, are you? Cosby drugged and raped many women. Bush—didnt.
Both sexual predation but different degrees. A better comparison is Bush and Al Franken.
Has the Me Too movement resulted in any other successful prosecutions besides Cosby? It seems like Weinstein, Wynn, Lauer et al lost their jobs but aren't headed to jail.
Has the Me Too movement resulted in any other successful prosecutions besides Cosby? It seems like Weinstein, Wynn, Lauer et al lost their jobs but aren't headed to jail.Since Cosby's legal problems pre-date the Me Too movement it's probably not applicable to his conviction. Weinstein, et al., cases are much more recent with criminal investigations ongoing. If you're implying that only the black guy has been convicted, I'd suggest patience.
I'd like to see them all convicted. Conmentators are stating the Me Too movement's rise between Cosby's first and second trials may have been one factor in the outcome.
And though she was not assaulted I'm rooting for Stormy Daniels too because she was harassed after the fact.
I'd like to see them all convicted. Conmentators are stating the Me Too movement's rise between Cosby's first and second trials may have been one factor in the outcome.
If that's true then it's a miscarriage of justice. A conviction based upon populist sentiment rather than law has no place in a just society.
I'm glad changing populist sentiment helped move us from Plessy v. Ferguson to Brown v. Board of Education.
I'm glad changing populist sentiment helped move us from Plessy v. Ferguson to Brown v. Board of Education.I would argue that localized populist sentiment created Plessy v Ferguson and strict adherence to law in Brown v BoE corrected it. Let's not backslide.
No, let's not backslide, but let's also not revere laws simply because they are laws. Three fifths of a person.
No, let's not backslide, but let's also not revere laws simply because they are laws. Three fifths of a person.The 3/5ths rule was designed to limit the southern slave states representation and influence in Congress, not to demean a class of people, and became irrelevant after the reclamation. Frederick Douglass was a fan, but he understood its purpose.
We are a nation of lawbreakers, because in the course of human events it became necessary. The law should serve the people, not people the law.
And I'm glad 3/5 is a thing of the past and we have one person one vote.
We are a nation of lawbreakers, because in the course of human events it became necessary. The law should serve the people, not people the law.
I agree up to a point. The greatest flaw of a Democracy is the possibility that laws will reflect populist sentiment and the least popular kids will be banned from the playground or forced into after school detention. That's why we're a Constitutional Republic.
flowerseverywhere
4-26-18, 8:43pm
I agree up to a point. The greatest flaw of a Democracy is the possibility that laws will reflect populist sentiment and the least popular kids will be banned from the playground or forced into after school detention. That's why we're a Constitutional Republic.
Unless they don’t believe in god or practice a non Christian religion. But still have to pray to the Christian god in schools and sing silent night or see the Ten Commandments in public buildings if Christians have their way. Then the majority is ok to enforce their values with the support of the courts. One nation under god and all.
Unless they don’t believe in god or practice a non Christian religion. But still have to pray to the Christian god in schools and sing silent night or see the Ten Commandments in public buildings. Then the majority is ok to enforce their values with the support of the courts. One nation under god and all.I don't believe in God and don't have to pray to any gods, although I don't mind seeing the Ten Commandments because they are actually quite good rules to live by. Actually, I'm not sure that anyone is forced to pray to any gods in school unless it's part of forced inclusion to whatever non Christian god is currently in vogue.
But I'm in fly-over country. They may do things differently elsewhere.
Ultralight
4-27-18, 6:36am
I don't believe in God and don't have to pray to any gods, although I don't mind seeing the Ten Commandments because they are actually quite good rules to live by.
Actually, if you read the ten commandments they do a rather piss-poor job of giving you rules to give by compared to other sets of rules.
Check this out:
I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, or property.
The first four are all about God's ego and how you should worship him. So 40 percent of your "quite good rules to live by" you yourself do not live by. And they really have nothing to do with the pragmatics of being a good person.
The last six are alright.
But the big dog from the Jain religion, Mahavira, kicked the God of Abraham's rule-making butt in one sentence! Check it out: "Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being."
Hows-about we put that in the courts and schools and city halls of Merka?
All this nastiness directed at the dead and dying. What a poisonous and petty people we have become.
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just”.
All this nastiness directed at the dead and dying. What a poisonous and petty people we have become.
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just”.
That's a nice horse you have there; pretty tall. Can I help you down?
ApatheticNoMore
4-27-18, 2:17pm
If the dead and dying are truly bad people then I don't see much problem with it. Honestly though it's hard for me to get worked up about Barbara Bush. And if HW is still grabbing people in the nursing home (and isn't senile but senile is always possible at that age), it's just pathetic. But then the over obsession with sex crimes is a problem too. But yes some of the other members of Barbara's family are more problematic, but you have to be to reach that level of power (it's not just that power corrupts but that a certain type of power won't attract any but the corrupt, so you at best can certainly hope for a lesser degree of it).
But the big dog from the Jain religion, Mahavira, kicked the God of Abraham's rule-making butt in one sentence! Check it out: "Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being."
I like this 1 sentence rule, it really kicks ass: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
That's a nice horse you have there; pretty tall. Can I help you down?
No thanks. The view is better and it keeps me out of the gutter.
Actually, if you read the ten commandments they do a rather piss-poor job of giving you rules to give by compared to other sets of rules.
Check this out:
I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, or property.
The first four are all about God's ego and how you should worship him. So 40 percent of your "quite good rules to live by" you yourself do not live by. And they really have nothing to do with the pragmatics of being a good person.
The last six are alright.
But the big dog from the Jain religion, Mahavira, kicked the God of Abraham's rule-making butt in one sentence! Check it out: "Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being."
Hows-about we put that in the courts and schools and city halls of Merka?
That’s not a bug, it’s a feature. They worked in a few even a craven sinner such as I wouldn’t be likely to transgress. It keeps you hopeful and in the game.
Your guys thing is a dead loss from the start. We’re constantly killing at least some microbial flora and fauna with every breath. Your dog’s breakfast probably cost a few lives.
Ultralight
4-27-18, 5:13pm
I like this 1 sentence rule, it really kicks ass: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
I like this one too!
OK, now that all the acid is spilled, can we go back to the regular program, please.
I spent the day with 41 as part of his local protection detail about 15 years ago. He was down to earth, gracious and unassuming. He chatted freely and treated everyone as if they were long lost friends. I watched him get down on his knees, at a point in his life where he had to be helped back up, so that a gaggle of kids could have their picture taken with him.
I wasn't at all surprised a few years ago when he shaved his head in solidarity with a member of his Secret Service details child who lost his or her hair due to chemo treatments. That's the kind of guy he is.
I believe he and his wife were good people, I mourn her loss and his pain. Nothing anonymous internet commentators can say will change that.
People say Trump can be very charming too, and was always solicitous of his real estate customers.
frugal-one
4-28-18, 3:06pm
Today I noticed in the paper that 2 women were being sued because they had sex with male inmates. The males said they were forced. me2movement here too? Things are sure getting crazy!
Since Cosby's legal problems pre-date the Me Too movement it's probably not applicable to his conviction. Weinstein, et al., cases are much more recent with criminal investigations ongoing. If you're implying that only the black guy has been convicted, I'd suggest patience.
You were right. Weinstein has now been charged.
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