View Full Version : Cancellation of the Rosanne show.......
I quit watching her show a long time ago, so I wasn't really interested in it's revival. She's always been a foul-mouthed creature.
But what really bothers me about the network dropping the show, is how many other people will be hurt by this.......maybe hundreds who work to make this show.
Considering how many others were affected by her comment, couldn't there have been a punishment that would have only affected Barr?
Sometimes it seems like we're in the knee-jerk reaction of some issues now. That darned pendulum is out of control...........
I had the same reaction--yes, her tweet was terrible, but I feel so bad for all those people who were depending on that paycheck, and by all accounts that show may have lasted a while. It had great reviews and ratings.
But the reality is, ABC knew that advertisers were going to pull the plug and put their ad dollars somewhere else, so it was just a matter of time before the show would have been cancelled, and this way they could look like they were taking the high road.
And they couldn't fire Barr off the show. This is one situation where there is NO replacement for "Roseanne."
Boy, oh, boy, the consequences of one Tweet in this day and age.
And they couldn't fire Barr off the show. This is one situation where there is NO replacement for "Roseanne."
Jimmy Kimmel last night proposed bringing the series back as "Dan", featuring the entire cast except for Barr.
It would be interesting to see if that show would pull the same audiences. Maybe have Laurie Metcalf's and Dan Goodman's characters face off with each other; I think that would be a more nuanced examination of the differences and commonalities between the stereotypical Trump supporter and the stereotypical non-Trump supporter. But there wouldn't be the same heat to it so who knows if it would be worth what it costs -- or how much support or detraction Barr would provide.
“It’s hard to know the difference between racism that gets you fired and racism that gets you elected president.“ I read that somewhere today. Also something about being upset that Roseanne doesn’t have free-speech, while simultaneously telling football players that they have to stand for the anthem or they’re in trouble.
When arrogance takes over in any situation, so many others suffer the consequences. This has happened so many times so what makes Roseanne any different?
It is interesting that corporations are taking the role of setting some standard of acceptable behaviour. The Roseanne audience didn't, did they? Funny that advertisers are calling the shots based on the silent consumers who vote with their dollars. I am one of them and let the advertisers know what I think. Enough voices are speaking up and protesting, it seems.
iris lilies
5-30-18, 9:06am
I watched the new Roseanne show into the first few episodes and found it somewhat funny. Too bad for ABC! The networks are circling the drain these days. Not only production people on the Roseanne show lost their jobs, but those 1%er network executives are feeling the loss.
iris lilies
5-30-18, 9:09am
“It’s hard to know the difference between racism that gets you fired and racism that gets you elected president.“ I read that somewhere today... haha, that is sort of funny!
Also something about being upset that Roseanne doesn’t have free-speech, while simultaneously telling football players that they have to stand for the anthem.... Roseanne has free speech. Any NFL fan also has freedom to turn their back on NFL players and games for political action on the field. All seem fair to me.
iris lilies
5-30-18, 9:11am
Jimmy Kimmel last night proposed bringing the series back as "Dan", featuring the entire cast except for Barr.
It would be interesting to see if that show would pull the same audiences. Maybe have Laurie Metcalf's and Dan Goodman's characters face off with each other; I think that would be a more nuanced examination of the differences and commonalities between the stereotypical Trump supporter and the stereotypical non-Trump supporter. But there wouldn't be the same heat to it so who knows if it would be worth what it costs -- or how much support or detraction Barr would provide.
That would be interesting. Metcalf and Goodman could certainly carry a show. i wonder if they would be interested in that since both of them work a lot in film and other tv roles.
She was probably an executive producer or had some executive role aside from acting. I think killing her character off would be appropriate, along with separating her completely from the production. The ensemble cast could carry the show, (which I have never watched). Maybe Kathy Griffin could play Dan's love interest. Or Rosie O'Donnell. Roseanne has always been a loose cannon, with her daft conspiracy theories and crotch-grabbing stunts. Blatant racism is popular now, but it has consequences.
Simplemind
5-30-18, 11:49pm
I loved the show the first time around and watched the new for nostalgia. I think it can be hard to get the groove back. When Will and Grace came back it kinda creeped me out to see them older, acting as they did when they were younger. I didn't see that happening with Roseanne. I was also happy to see the politics subside after the first couple of shows. I'm not a fan of her personally but I appreciated the character that she created and I have always loved Metcalf and Goodman along with the other supporting players. I think it is a shame that the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. I'm also bummed that ala Cosby..... the old shows are being yanked off too.
As someone whose employer has been re-alligning or re this or re that for the last six years with the steady drip drip drip of layoffs the whole time i struggle to feel much empathy for the other people that got laid off because of her stupidity. They knew when they took the job that they had hitched their trailers to a nutjob psychobit*h and took their chances. They’ll find new jobs.
happystuff
5-31-18, 7:08am
Didn't see the 1st revival show but saw a subsequent one. Was not impressed. Most of the characters seemed to be "trying to hard" and I didn't enjoy it. As for the cancellation... every action has a re-action. I believe in the cause and effect of karma (positive and negative). I feel bad for those putting out so much "hate", as they will eventually reap what they are sowing. We're just privy to some of Rosanne's quick harvest.
Do you think Samantha Bee will get her show canceled for calling Ivanka Trump a “feckless c***”?
iris lilies
5-31-18, 4:50pm
Do you think Samantha Bee will get her show canceled for calling Ivanka Trump a “feckless c***”?
No, I dont. She apologized anyway, being deeply sorry.>8)
But just giving my own reaction, likening an African American person to an Ape is completely unacceptable while name calling using the C word does not rise to that level. One is a horrible inditement of an entire people, the other is just a trashy name for one (unpopular with liberal celebs) person.
No, I dont. She apologized anyway, being deeply sorry.>8)
But just giving my own reaction, likening an African American person to an Ape is completely unacceptable while name calling using the C word does not rise to that level. One is a horrible indightment of an entire people, the other is just a trashy name for one (unpopular) person.
Surprisingly, I didn't know Valerie Jarrett was African American until this incident.
Being a free market kinda guy I think ABC/Disney and whoever Samantha Bee works for have every right to fire them if they believe their brand has been hurt by their words or actions. The interesting thing is to watch which celebrity becomes a pariah and which one is celebrated.
My wife told me today that since we'll have the grandkids over all weekend, she'll be fecklessly c*nting around the pool and organizing a cookout with them.
Roseanne blamed Ambien. I loved the pharma company response.
organictex
5-31-18, 8:10pm
Roseanne blamed Ambien. I loved the pharma company response.
yes, that was a great response! i'm just pissed at Barr for being so stupid. (and of course her tweet was
reprehensible and ignorant, but hey, our prez says similar BS almost daily!) i watched every episode, and it
was truly a fantastic reboot(like Will&Grace). it was funny, thoughtful, and depicted working-class America
like no other. sad situation indeed...
The interesting thing is to watch which celebrity becomes a pariah and which one is celebrated.
I agree. Hopefully consensus will agree with Iris Lily that using a long running harshly racist comment like Rosanne did is far worse than just schoolyard name calling. If not then I guess we'll know that Trump has truly succeeded in his efforts to make racism cool again. I'm hopeful that he hasn't, but who knows, he's turned the family values party into the party that believes in tearing families apart if they come to our border seeking asylum so I suppose anything is possible.
flowerseverywhere
6-1-18, 7:40am
To me Samantha Bee and Roseanne Barr are the same type of comedian. Vulgar, mean and not funny. Appropriately Bee has lost sponsors. I could care if either was cancelled because I don’t find these trashy people funny or watch them. Howard Stern is another one.
You can’t be disgusted with King Trump for name calling then be shocked when someone whose political affiliation you agree with is called out.
Bee could have called her insensitive or a hypocrite, but that would not have generated publicity. It is all about money, not moral outrage for these big media syndicates. Whether it is vulgarity or sexual inappropriateness their eye is always on the bottom line. Don’t think for a second they care about people’s feelings.
I hadn't heard of this issue until last night when I was driving from Boston to Burlington and the only channel I could find was a conservative talk radio channel, and as you can imagine, the host was lambasting Samantha Bee.
While he was completely on the side of "look what those mean liberals are doing to the nice Trump family" I had to agree that Bee's comment was just nasty. Unfortunately social media stokes these memes, and sometimes I get so disappointed in some of my otherwise reasonable friends when they share on FB very unreasonable political soundbites. Our culture has become nothing but a playground of crude schoolyard bullies.
Our culture has become nothing but a playground of crude schoolyard bullies.
Cruel schoolyard bullies get elected President. So I guess enough people have issued the stamp of approval for that kind of behavior.
That said, IMHO when you open the barn (locker room?) door to that kind of thing, you shouldn't be surprised when something you don't like wanders in.
Cruel schoolyard bullies get elected President. So I guess enough people have issued the stamp of approval for that kind of behavior.
That said, IMHO when you open the barn (locker room?) door to that kind of thing, you shouldn't be surprised when something you don't like wanders in.
Yes, I agree that our leader is setting the tone, but that line of thinking reminds me of another schoolyard mantra: "Mom! He started it!" and then our mothers saying: "If everyone jumped off the bridge would you do it?"
Valerie Jarrett wasn't on my radar until this flap happened--a little research indicates she comes from generations of highly educated, accomplished people. That probably makes no difference to Roseanne, whose delusions of superiority spring only from race, apparently.
Samantha Bee's very trenchant point was lost as soon as she resorted to vulgarity; too bad.
iris lilies
6-1-18, 9:46am
Surprisingly, I didn't know Valerie Jarrett was African American until this incident.
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Surprisingly, I didnt know who Valerie Jarrett was, period.
"Mom! He started it!" and then our mothers saying: "If everyone jumped off the bridge would you do it?"
I am reminded of an ad campaign many years ago for a brand of software, distinctly in second place in its category, which took on the market leader by contrasting the contradiction between advocating for individuality ("If everyone jumped off the bridge would you do it?") with going along to get along ("Let's buy <market-leading brand> because lots of other companies use it!"). Somehow, later in life, that individuality argument starts to get watered down.
My comment in my previous post was incomplete; I should have written something about people being gored by their own ox. Jarrett did not in any way ask for the treatment she received from Barr. Ivanka Trump, however, is in the public eye at the moment as a very high-ranking civil servant, has a history of saying something publicly and not backing the statement with action, and is a member of a family that regularly trash-talks others. I don't think any Trump should be surprised or b---hurt when someone else trash-talks them.
The Trumps operate as a classic crime family for whom omerta is a code of honor. Laws and societal mores don't apply to them.
We seem to live in a golden age of puerility and nastiness. We have degenerated from Dorothy Parker to Samantha Bee in less than a century.
But there is cause for hope. I hear Firing Line may be coming back.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/firing-line-pbs-revives-needed-institution-margaret-hoover-host/
... and it's back. Sort of:
http://www.startribune.com/abc-order-roseanne-spinoff-for-fall-minus-roseanne-barr/486213451/
I don't watch that show, but it will be interesting to see if they can pull it off.
I saw that! Maybe they feel there was enough wiggle room in the ratings to warrant a stab at a Roseanne-less Roseanne.
I think the cast is strong without her, but I wonder if it's strong enough? At least the cast/crew are employed for a while more.
Simplemind
6-22-18, 11:26am
I'm glad they are going to get a chance to take a shot. I hated to see them penalized for her behavior.
I wish them luck but I'm not sure the show will succeed. Early reports I saw indicated the re-boot would center around the youngest daughter's character and would showcase all the popular social issues such as inclusion, LGBT issues, social justice, etc. Without Rosanne, I'm not sure how it will stand out among all the other bland shows the broadcast networks specialize in.
catherine
6-22-18, 11:35am
I wish them luck but I'm not sure the show will succeed. Early reports I saw indicated the re-boot would center around the youngest daughter's character and would showcase all the popular social issues such as inclusion, LGBT issues, social justice, etc. Without Rosanne, I'm not sure how it will stand out among all the other bland shows the broadcast networks specialize in.
Yeah, it may feel like All in the Family without Archie Bunker. I think that tension was key to its success.
Without Rosanne, I'm not sure how it will stand out among all the other bland shows the broadcast networks specialize in.
I'm not sure how the broadcast networks will survive, given the quality and volume of material coming out from Netflix and Amazon.
I wonder what Barr will do now? She had to be devastated.........but she has to realize now that she has to keep her big mouth shut at times.
I wonder what Barr will do now? She had to be devastated.........but she has to realize now that she has to keep her big mouth shut at times.
65 year old wack-a-doodle racist/sexist comedian with an ailing career?
Perhaps she'll try to come up with some other incendiary thing to regain relevance and the public eye? At this point though she'd do well to go back to doing the occasional cameo appearance, and slink quietly off to retirement.
Ultralight
6-22-18, 4:39pm
New show will be doomed.
I wonder what Barr will do now? She had to be devastated.........but she has to realize now that she has to keep her big mouth shut at times.
I hear she has a macadamia farm to run.
happystuff
6-23-18, 8:33am
I think John Goodman and Sara Gilbert could carry a show... with some good writers. I'd watch. Couldn't get into the reboot with Rosanne as it seemed "harsher" than the original.
iris lilies
6-26-18, 8:01pm
I think John Goodman and Sara Gilbert could carry a show... with some good writers. I'd watch. Couldn't get into the reboot with Rosanne as it seemed "harsher" than the original.
Writing is always key. What are they going to write about? Without Roseanne there is little dramatic tension. The aunt, liberal Laurie Metcalf, isnt going to play against ultra liberal John Good,and and Super liberal Sarah
Gilbert.
For a brief moment, the networks for me to watch one of them again, but it was brief.
Ywars ago I watched a few episodes of Jojn Goodman’s television drama about New Orleans after the flood, but his character was so increasingly strident and political, I had to,give ip on it. Such a turnoff. The show had several interesting things about it, too bad.
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