Yank the breastfeeding baby from her mother if mom has the nerve to be seeking asylum

[jp1]

Ok? Not ok? Discuss. How did we even elect a president who selected a creepy attorney general that thinks this is ok? When are reasonable republicans going to speak out about the attrocities of the current administration? I keep reading here and elsewhere, "it will all sort itself out over time...", "our constitution can withstand a lot", and on and on and on. At what point do we admit that it's effing broken and that someone needs to stand up to this f'tard?

On the other hand my stocks are up and I'm a 7 on the personal happiness scale, so I guess there's that? After all it's not my baby that's being ripped from my breast...

[Yppej]

When are reasonable republicans going to speak out about the attrocities of the current administration? .

Isn't there a bipartisan bill in the works to address the issue of ICE separating parents from their children?

Sessions may be trying to get out of Trump's doghouse by going hardline for his base.

[JaneV2.0]

Don't get me started.

Aren't these people refugees? Undocumented workers don't usually announce themselves at the checkpoints. Surely we had rules in place to treat refugees better than stray dogs. Emma Lazarus weeps.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports these atrocities should be voted out ASAP. But I guess in an administration where "Sheriff Joe" is lionized, anything (but human decency) goes.

[jp1]

Isn't there a bipartisan bill in the works to address the issue of ICE separating parents from their children?

Sessions may be trying to get out of Trump's doghouse by going hardline for his base.

If by bipartisan you mean 37 democrats and 2 independants.

[Lainey]

Yes, I agree with the reporter in the white house newsroom: how can this be permitted, have we lost our humanity completely?
Never thought Congress would have to intervene to make sure something like this would *not* happen. What's next?

[Teacher Terry]

Totally inhumane. I think we should put Sara’s Kids in a cage since she is defending those actions.

[flowerseverywhere]

A group I was in this morning was saying the same thing. Someone piped up “they broke the law. In the US if you are a citizen and break the law your children are taken away from you so you can go to jail.” Showing up at the border and asking for Asylum is of course not the same thing, but people who want immigrants out are standing strong behind Trump and Sessions.

read the Fox News comments and stories, many many people think this is a good thing.

David stringer, AZ republican state lawmaker is being called on to resign as he said there are not enough white kids to go around.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/arizona-lawmaker-white-kids-immigration/index.html

Corey Stewart, confederate flag supporter won the Republican primary in Virginia.

this is what Trump promised to do over and over at his campaign rallies while his supporters frothed at the mouth at the prospect of making America white again. Stop immigration, deport all illegal aliens, get the Syrian refugeesout, ban all Muslims. Tent camps will be next to house everyone who was rounded up.

[LDAHL]

I think that we should commit the resources necessary to accommodate our various uninvited guests humanely until they can be given a fair hearing in accordance with our laws, not by the pathos of the stories they tell. Family groups should be admitted or deported as family groups absent crimes committed by individual members.

[flowerseverywhere]

Angela Merkel is facing pushback. Read the comments and you will see how Fox Commenters feel

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/06/15/angela-merkels-german-government-facing-collapse-over-her-immigration-stance.html

[Alan]

Totally inhumane. I think we should put Sara’s Kids in a cage since she is defending those actions.I just heard an immigration official on MSNBC provide a little perspective on the issue, here are some of the points he made. In 2015 a Federal judge ruled that children cannot be held in the same facilities as adults (their parents) for longer than 20 days. The only incoming immigrants being held in detention are those who attempt to bypass the ports of entry to the country. Due process for those adults being held typically takes longer than 20 days. From 2015 till just recently, the inability to house children and adults together resulted in many of those adults travelling with children being released without adjudication. The recent decision to stop releasing adults prior to competing due process requires children to be removed from their parents. Congress can resolve this issue by creating legislation addressing the Federal ruling.

Talking heads in the media seem to have a different slant on those points which seems to me to be political. Who should we believe?

[flowerseverywhere]

I just heard an immigration official on MSNBC provide a little perspective on the issue, here are some of the points he made. In 2015 a Federal judge ruled that children cannot be held in the same facilities as adults (their parents) for longer than 20 days. The only incoming immigrants being held in detention are those who attempt to bypass the ports of entry to the country. Due process for those adults being held typically takes longer than 20 days. From 2015 till just recently, the inability to house children and adults together resulted in many of those adults travelling with children being released without adjudication. The recent decision to stop releasing adults prior to competing due process requires children to be removed from their parents. Congress can resolve this issue by creating legislation addressing the Federal ruling.

Talking heads in the media seem to have a different slant on those points which seems to me to be political. Who should we believe?

From what I have been seeing that seems to be the issue. Did you see any of the detention centers for children. They only showed the age 10 and up. Do you agree with this? I cannot be the only one here who was separated from three of my sibs and parents at a young age and put with strangers to live. It was unbelievably scary and I had one sib with me. And we spoke the language. I think it has affected us to this day, and we all got ourselves educated spent our lives helping societies cast offs. Welfare families, the impoverished elderly, mentally ill, and youngsters at their last stop before they get sent to the big house for incarceration.

Wait until they put up tent cities in the Texas and Arizona areas. And Trump supporters will be cheering “Lock them up”. “Bread and water for the parents”.

it is very difficult for someone like me to not be emotional, my heart breaks for these children, especially the young ones. I am having nightmares again.

[catherine]

I cannot be the only one here who was separated from three of my sibs and parents at a young age and put with strangers to live. It was unbelievably scary and I had one sib with me. And we spoke the language. I think it has affected us to this day, and we all got ourselves educated spent our lives helping societies cast offs.

it is very difficult for someone like me to not be emotional, my heart breaks for these children, especially the young ones. I am having nightmares again.

Wow..I had no idea that you had experienced this. What a horrendous experience.

[mschrisgo2]

What bothers me the most is Sessions citing the Bible as his justification!! What the hell happened to the separation of church and state??

"... we all got ourselves educated, spent our lives helping societies (sic) castoffs..."
This. This is where the people with Heart are going to come from, the "salvation" of humankind.

My heart breaks for these kids.

[Teacher Terry]

Flowers, that is horrible. I am so sorry. I love your empathy for others and that you helped the less fortunate. The whole situation makes me sick. Anybody that agrees with this has a lump of coal where their heart should be. I am on vacation so now will try to return to my happy place. It

[flowerseverywhere]

There are many people who post here who grew up poor, in alcoholic or otherwise dysfunctional homes, who faced discrimination or abuse at the hands of those who were supposed to protect them. Life happens but when the boot of the strong and rich is crushing the poor and weak, it is very hard to see any justice.

The US spends 60 billion dollars each on weight loss and pets, we incarcerate more people than other countries and our murder rate is astronomical. Video after video shows mainly black citizens being beat up or threatened by police. The poor are looked down upon as lazy welfare cheaters. My two best girl friends, one black and the other Jewish have seen a huge increase in hate speech and actions towards their race. Does that seem right to you in the greatest country of the world?

we are doing something terribly wrong in this country. When citizens feel emboldened to scream out their support to ban Muslims, boot out Syrian refugees, and house thousands of young immigrants in prison like conditions most look the other way because hey, they are getting a few extra dollars in their paycheck. And as Arizona lawmaker Stringer said, there just aren’t enough white kids.

does our immigration problem need to be addressed? Absolutely. But traumatizing dirt poor brown kids doesn’t seem very humane.

What would Jesus do?

[jp1]

The only incoming immigrants being held in detention are those who attempt to bypass the ports of entry to the country.

And also those seeking asylum. That ruling from 2015 was about jails and prisons. Asylum seekers should not be considered criminals.

[Williamsmith]

And also those seeking asylum. That ruling from 2015 was about jails and prisons. Asylum seekers should not be considered criminals.

“Asylum seekers” must fit the definition. They are not simply the economic disadvantaged. They must be under threat of torture or death or without a state. Canada’s Justin Trudeau aggravated his border security system by announcing to the world that his country was standing with open arms to “asylum seekers” and since then Canada has been swamped with hundreds of illegal immigrants per day claiming status of asylum seeker. The RCMP formally “arrests” them, starts the process of determining status and provides them with health care, social services and housing paid by Canadian tax payers. How long does the process take? 5 years.

Would you house an “asylum seeker” at your residence for five years?

[jp1]

And there’s the difference. Canada ‘arrests’ them and treats them like human beings. We arrest them and treat them like the rapists and murderers that trump and his supporters assume them to be.

And maybe taking them into one’s home wouldn’t be such a bad experience. It wasn’t for this couple. http://www.newnownext.com/gay-german-couple-takes-in-24-refugees-to-show-friends-what-real-compassion-is/11/2015/

[jp1]

And no, 'the democrats did it too' is not a valid argument. It's the argument of mean, fearful people to justify treating other human beings atrociously.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social


Lee Gelernt of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project said Tuesday that "Children are begging and screaming not to be separated from their parents, as they're hauled off to different cities. It's a harrowing situation, one that the president himself called horrible. No law even remotely requires the separation of children, and we filed a recent lawsuit arguing, in fact, that the Constitution prohibits this policy."

In an interview with NPR's Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep Tuesday, former President Barack Obama's domestic policy director, Cecilia Muñoz, stated unequivocally that separating children from their parents was not a policy the Obama administration followed.

"The Obama administration did not do that, no. We did not separate children from their parents," Muñoz said. "This is a new decision, a policy decision put in place by the attorney general," which Muñoz said "puts us in league with the most brutal regimes in the world's history."

[Teacher Terry]

Russia and North Korea are so proud of their understudy. Yes people are following the orange ones lead and becoming hateful. That will be his legacy. Let’s make America hate again >:(

[jp1]

I think Dr. Suess's political commentary from 1941 sums it up pretty well.

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[JaneV2.0]

Vile racist/nationalist Stephen Miller is taking credit for this policy. His parents must be relieved he's separated himself from them--and his Jewish roots, apparently.

And, in related news, I got a mailing from whatever that Koch Brothers money-raising arm is called last week. I have two questions: one, why on earth would they think, from anything I've ever said or done or joined, that I would want to be associated with anything related to them, and two--what the hell do they need money for?

[gimmethesimplelife]

I was going to start a thread regarding this topic but I see I've been beaten to the punch by another poster. What to say about this vile and evil and inhumane policy showing the entire world exactly what the United States stands for/is all about? One the one hand, there is a part of me that is glad that the entire world is learning more and more with each passing day that the best move is to kick the American way of doing things to the curb and find other alternatives - this can only be good for both the planet and the human race going forward.

On the other hand, I see likenesses, more and more as time goes on, of this country becoming like Germany in the early Nazi years. And by this I mean before the death camps were started and before the train cars whisked Jews and others off to these camps. I'm talking of Germany in the early to mid 30's.....I'm seeing more and more of this complete and total disregard for humanity and human rights. It's always been there, of course, and one of the perks of having experienced poverty in America is that this fact is right in front of your face 24/7/365 - with some occasional by-passes such as expanded Medicaid. It's still there, though, and one thing I can thank the Trump Administration for is for making what America truly is clear to the world.

All that said, I worry for my health lately a bit. I'm really running down with all my activism against this border evil and with my activism against the Mesa, Arizona Police Department, which has been caught in video engaging in yet another new police brutality event, this time against a young man named Jose Luis Conde, whom officers illegally and brutally beat and then mocked at a local hospital - all on video, thankfully, so that young Mr, Conde, if smart, will never have to work again another day in his life courtesy of the pension accruing sociopaths employed by the Mesa, Arizona PD.

And I'm getting off topic. I managed to take a day off today as I'm completely run down. As to these issues, today I will post this and as for the rest of the day, I need to unplug as all this insanity is taking a toll on me. I don't know the future of this country but thankfully I've been able to save money due to being in lower level management and I've also got my two bags packed as I don't see any positive in the future of this country - something I believe that the Trump Administration is making brutally clear to those American citizens capable of seeing unpleasant reality for what it is. I'd recommend two bags paced and no trust or faith in America for all personally, and I'm glad to see this wisdom drifting upwards among the social classes a bit these days.

This new policy of separating families at the border - this is akin to a final nail in a coffin. How could anyone realistically have any faith or trust in the United States of America going forward? It truly boggles my mind that there are people who do......LOL not my monkeys, not my circus, not my issue as I don't have this problem.

Some good news though is that after being closed for eleven months, the main branch of the Phoenix Public Library has finally reopened......after damage from a monsoon storm last mid-July which set off the sprinkler system in the library after hours, flooding to some degree all five floors and causing a great deal of damage. Anyway, the library is finally open again and I'm heading there today to unplug and do research on anything other than the issues I've just discussed. Rob

[nswef]

Rob, enjoy being in the new library.

[Tammy]

I’m donating $100 a month to the ACLU because of my distress over the direction our country is going.

That sums it up. I have bad news fatigue. So I can’t bring myself to expound but my money will speak, I hope.

[Teacher Terry]

Rob, I hate what’s going on but many countries are worse or no better. Have a friend in England that says it is against the law to say anything bad about immigrants. So if she posted something bad about immigrants on her son’s Facebook page in England he would be in big trouble. The free countries are totally screwed up if you ask me.

[jp1]

The thing I find fascinating, in a sad way, is that all these "constitutional conservatives" are sitting quietly as trump suggested repeatedly that we need to suspend due process. What could possibly go wrong with that... !thumbsup! Oh, and yes, he's also above the law because we have a king, not a president. Yeah, he's not trying to destroy our country...

[Teacher Terry]

Look at who he admires and yes he wants to be a dictator. People need to wake up, protest nation wide and let their voices be heard. This is not who we are as a country.