Trump up in polling among Hispanics

[iris lilies]

President Trump’s popularity has risen recently, especially among Hispanics. Given the last ten days of media hyper focus on separating Latino children from their parents at our southern border, I am surprised.

What is going on here? Perhaps our emissary from the 85006 could provide insight into this thinking among persons of Hispanic background.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/394384-poll-trump-approval-rating-ticks-up-to-47-percent


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/28/trumps_approval_rating_rises_among_hispanics_13738 2.html

[ApatheticNoMore]

Not all Hispanics support open borders or anything and also Hispanics aren't a monolith, the immigrants now are people from entirely different countries than Mexico. I'm not sure the solidarity across whole different regions of latin america is really there. But I'm not an expert on that. One could say open borders is not what everyone who is objecting to current immigration policy wants and that's fair enough, but they aren't very clear on articulating exactly what they DO want out of u.s. immigration policy. Campaigns to "Abolish ICE" lead people to believe the goal is completely open borders.

But anyway some Hispanics came here legally, some whether they came here legally originally or not have been here a generation or two or three. Those are people who might not support unlimited illegal immigration even from the same places their families came from. It's possible they see it as well unfair if they went through the system, but also as competition for resources (jobs, housing etc.) just like some whites might, I don't know.

[iris lilies]

Oh, I agree that The Hispanics are not of one monolithic mind. I just wonder if thoses here can see that. But perhaps “ “ Hispanics of the 85006” are all in agreement for all things. They are represented as such here on this site.

[Teacher Terry]

I find it interesting but then there are people that vote against their own best interests and that is not very smart but it happens all the time.

[Alan]

I find it interesting but then there are people that vote against their own best interests and that is not very smart but it happens all the time.
I think it's quite easy for people to vote against things others may see as their best interests. Lots of folks vote for the best interests of their country or their progeny. As an example, many folks were enthralled with Bernie Sanders promise of free education, free healthcare, free this and free that for all, but many others correctly saw that while those promises would benefit them now, nothing is truly free and the massive redistribution necessary to accomplish would ultimately be bad for the country and future generations. In that scenario, I think we'd have to agree to disagree on the definition of "smart".

[iris lilies]

I think it's quite easy for people to vote against things others may see as their best interests. Lots of folks vote for the best interests of their country or their progeny. As an example, many folks were enthralled with Bernie Sanders promise of free education, free healthcare, free this and free that for all, but many others correctly saw that while those promises would benefit them now, nothing is truly free and the massive redistribution necessary to accomplish would ultimately be bad for the country and future generations. In that scenario, I think we'd have to agree to disagree on the definition of "smart".

Or “who” is smart.

[Teacher Terry]

Again, voting for trump was only smart if you are wealthy. So they voted to harm their country, themselves and future generations. Not what I would call a intelligent move.

[Alan]

I detect a bit of bias there. But, it's clear you know us better than we know ourselves, it's hard to overcome our inherent stupidity.

[Teacher Terry]

You always make me laugh ��

[Teacher Terry]

I didn’t say everyone was stupid that voted for him because unfortunately I know a few smart people that did. But the majority of people were blue collar and voted against their own interests. I grew up BC and my ex put me through college with his BC job. People were fooled.

[Alan]

I didn’t say everyone was stupid that voted for him because unfortunately I know a few smart people that did. But the majority of people were blue collar and voted against their own interests. I grew up BC and my ex put me through college with his BC job. People were fooled.
As an ex, I'm guessing he acted outside his best interests in putting you through college and yet you got a long term benefit as a result. Would you agree that it wasn't very intelligent of him to do so or would you appreciate the greater good you experienced as a result of his actions?

[bae]

Again, voting for trump was only smart if you are wealthy. So they voted to harm their country, themselves and future generations. Not what I would call a intelligent move.

I am wealthy. I did not vote for Trump. He has made things difficult and unpredictable for my portfolio management. I'd rather have someone boring.

[ApatheticNoMore]

As an ex, I'm guessing he acted outside his best interests in putting you through college and yet you got a long term benefit as a result. Would you agree that it wasn't very intelligent of him to do so or would you appreciate the greater good you experienced as a result of his actions?

if someone was to literally put me through college I'd have a pretty strong obligation to stay married to them at that point I think.

[iris lilies]

I am wealthy. I did not vote for Trump. He has made things difficult and unpredictable for my portfolio management. I'd rather have someone boring.
Dude, I didnt vote for Trump but I like his effect on my portfolio. According to our financial advisor, Trump is making corporate America happy by reducing, or at leasr not adding, regulations. They like this stability in the regulatory world.

just sayin’

[Teacher Terry]

I stayed for 22 years until my kids were grown. He benefited by me getting a good job. I walked away from his pension, he hid our million dollars and I walked away with 50k. He was verbally abusive for years and my health got so bad both my arms were strangling my neck. More than one doctor told me to figure out what was wrong with my life. Twenty years later we are both happily remarried, we all get along great and celebrate all our kids special events together. We went to counseling 4 different times trying to change things. He admitted he learned a lot by me leaving and treats his new wife much better.

[Teacher Terry]

Because he had threatened to kill me I had to move away from family and friends, quit my job and move across the country alone. Happy times��. Also he never took care of his own kids, did any housework, etc. local college was cheap in small town Midwest in 1885. I got my BA in 3 years by overloading. Trust me I earned it.

[Rogar]

Seems like we get overloaded with polls these days and I'm not sure how valid they all are. I think it was the same or similar poll that said something like 90% of Republicans view Trump favorably. That's going to include a lot of diversity including wealthy, poor, smart dumb, and minorities.

Trump's impact on the economy and people's portfolios is barely starting and at the least is introducing more potential volatility and uncertainty. Unless people readjust their investments to take some profits from equities, the post election performance is just on paper. I lightened equities in my portfolio after T was sworn in with no regrets and am considering another re balancing soon.

[Alan]

Trust me I earned it.No doubt you did, but the question was, did his voting against his best interests (putting you through school) provide a greater good for others? According to your earlier posts, he would appear to have been stupid to do so, but in line with my thoughts there was a long term benefit for others in his actions. Which one of us is correct?

[iris lilies]

Seems like we get overloaded with polls these days and I'm not sure how valid they all are. I think it was the same or similar poll that said something like 90% of Republicans view Trump favorably. That's going to include a lot of diversity including wealthy, poor, smart dumb, and minorities.

Trump's impact on the economy and people's portfolios is barely starting and at the least is introducing more potential volatility and uncertainty. Unless people readjust their investments to take some profits from equities, the post election performance is just on paper. I lightened equities in my portfolio after T was sworn in with no regrets and am considering another re balancing soon.

I agree that rebalancing, or realizing profit from the Trump economy, is a good idea for us old folks. Not sure about those with a longer life line.

[Teacher Terry]

It saved him money because he had a masters degree and a high paying BC job. If I had a high school degree he would have owed me alimony for years and I would have had to take half his pension. I also would have hired a PI to find our million dollars. He got off cheap.

[LDAHL]

I’m a dad. If I didn’t vote against my best interests with some frequency, I wouldn’t be doing it right.

On the other hand, anyone arrogant enough to presume they knew my interests better than I do would have a hard time getting my vote. Immediate family excepted, of course.

[Teacher Terry]

The bigger problem is we should have term limits for congress and the senate. Making a career out of politics is bad for the country because many of our politicians could care less what the people think since they are bought and paid for by big business, wealthy, etc. Also the parties used to work together to get things done. That ship has long sailed.

[Ultralight]

The 85006 must be in total crisis mode now!

[JaneV2.0]

The bigger problem is we should have term limits for congress and the senate. Making a career out of politics is bad for the country because many of our politicians could care less what the people think since they are bought and paid for by big business, wealthy, etc. Also the parties used to work together to get things done. That ship has long sailed.

I don't care how long they serve, but we have got to get big money out of the game. IMO.

[LDAHL]

I don't care how long they serve, but we have got to get big money out of the game. IMO.

Except for big taxpayer money?

[LDAHL]

The 85006 must be in total crisis mode now!

This sort of thing could lead to anarchy. How do we know whose vote to suppress? How will the Democrats know who to take for granted and who to vilify?

[bae]

The bigger problem is we should have term limits for congress and the senate.

It seems to me that term limits:

- restrict the peoples' ability to choose the representatives they desire
- hand over the power to the political parties completely - they will simply anoint the candidate-of-the-week in a back room, who will be nothing but a puppet. (Look at how this works in Mexico, for instance.)

The fundamental problem seems to be in how our citizens vote.

[ToomuchStuff]

It seems to me that term limits:

- restrict the peoples' ability to choose the representatives they desire
- hand over the power to the political parties completely - they will simply anoint the candidate-of-the-week in a back room, who will be nothing but a puppet. (Look at how this works in Mexico, for instance.)

The fundamental problem seems to be in how our citizens vote.

AKA the term limits we have now.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Thankfully I can report that here in the 85006 Trump does not poll well with Hispanics (or anyone else for that matter). Perhaps it's his nasty comments regarding both Mexico and it's people? Perhaps it's the police brutality that we so live in fear of in the 85006 that Trump is all for? Perhaps it's the huge and only growing gap in income inequality in America and the fact that Republican policies only serve to increase this gap at the expense of hard working everyday people?

There are numerous valid reasons why Trump is despised in the 85006 is my point. It's gotten to the point that I minimize my time in other parts of Phoenix that are red (code word for where the money is - moneyed areas in Phoenix tend to be very red and very heartless and very pro income inequality in America). Rob

[iris lily]

Thankfully I can report that here in the 85006 Trump does not poll well with Hispanics (or anyone else for that matter). Perhaps it's his nasty comments regarding both Mexico and it's people? Perhaps it's the police brutality that we so live in fear of in the 85006 that Trump is all for? Perhaps it's the huge and only growing gap in income inequality in America and the fact that Republican policies only serve to increase this gap at the expense of hard working everyday people?

There are numerous valid reasons why Trump is despised in the 85006 is my point. It's gotten to the point that I minimize my time in other parts of Phoenix that are red (code word for where the money is - moneyed areas in Phoenix tend to be very red and very heartless and very pro income inequality in America). Rob
And there we have it, the word from the 85006.

[LDAHL]

It's gotten to the point that I minimize my time in other parts of Phoenix that are red (code word for where the money is - moneyed areas in Phoenix tend to be very red and very heartless and very pro income inequality in America). Rob

Why? It isn’t contagious.

I recently spent a day in Madison WI, but felt no urges to abolish ICE or force everybody into Medicare.

[Williamsmith]

Thankfully I can report that here in the 85006 Trump does not poll well with Hispanics (or anyone else for that matter). Perhaps it's the huge and only growing gap in income inequality in America......

There are numerous valid reasons why Trump is despised in the 85006 is my point. It's gotten to the point that I minimize my time in other parts of Phoenix that are red (code word for where the money is - moneyed areas in Phoenix tend to be very red and very heartless and very pro income inequality in America). Rob

I’m all for income inequality ....just as long as it’s fair.

[gimmethesimplelife]

The 85006 must be in total crisis mode now!No rudeness intended here, ok? This is going to sound a bit rude but I don't mean anything at all personal by it. That said, in lower income neighborhoods all across America, every day is crisis mode. It's a lifestyle America brutally forces many into so that those at the top can become yet more and more and more wealthy at the cost of everyone else.

I really worry for the future of this country as human history serves to show much better than I can that situations with this level of inequality are unsustainable and people do rise up and overthrow systems that go too far. Perhaps in my lifetime, perhaps not, but if nothing changes, at some point down the line. And it won't be pretty, if past human history is any indication...…..Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I am wealthy. I did not vote for Trump. He has made things difficult and unpredictable for my portfolio management. I'd rather have someone boring.Kudos and respect to you from the 85006....I really do respect you for not voting for Trump, Bae.....that said, I'm curious...….hasn't he been good for the wealthy, for those with significant assets tied up on Wall Street? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just trying to understand and get the story from someone with actual assets is all. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Oh, I agree that The Hispanics are not of one monolithic mind. I just wonder if thoses here can see that. But perhaps “ “ Hispanics of the 85006” are all in agreement for all things. They are represented as such here on this site.The 85006 overall with few exceptions does tend to vote/agree/see things the same way, yes. I would hazard to guess one reason is that many Hispanics here have not been in the US for long, and those that have tend to have very strong connections with friends and family outside of the US...…...given that they have not fully intergrated, they tend to have a similar take on most issues. And a very easy to understand take, too, for anyone non-Hispanic whose ever lived in fear of America/been an economic victim of America. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Again, voting for trump was only smart if you are wealthy. So they voted to harm their country, themselves and future generations. Not what I would call a intelligent move.I could not agree more but one thing I will say? Few in my now infamous on this board zip code voted for Trump...….the biggest reason was/is fear of lack of access to health care, which of course there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for given that every other developed country has some system of universal access to health care in place for it's citizens. At least in my small part of the world we did not vote against access to health care for everyday people via voting for Trump. When I'm out and about in my part of town I can hold up my head high knowing this. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

President Trump’s popularity has risen recently, especially among Hispanics. Given the last ten days of media hyper focus on separating Latino children from their parents at our southern border, I am surprised.

What is going on here? Perhaps our emissary from the 85006 could provide insight into this thinking among persons of Hispanic background.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/394384-poll-trump-approval-rating-ticks-up-to-47-percent


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/28/trumps_approval_rating_rises_among_hispanics_13738 2.htmlEmissary from the 85006? This is perhaps the kindest way you have ever referred to me, IL, and I will admit to being slightly flattered. For what it's worth, Thank You.

Quick take: The 85006 is comprised mostly of Hispanics who have not fully integrated into the US (which is one reason I fit in so well here, I myself am far from being fully integrated and at this late date I don't see it ever happening in my case)…..either they are recently arrived or if they have been here for some time, they maintain very strong ties to culture, family, and friends in their homeland, with many of them having even stronger ties than I maintain with Austria. Due to this lack of full integration, it is possible for these folks to be cold bloodedly practical and vote for basic everyday survival for lower income folks - something that the Trump Administration was and is actively against.

As far as Hispanics polling for Trump, supporting Trump in any way, shape, or form, my take is if this is true, it's from Hispanics much more fully integrated into the US and the American way of thinking. You are not going to find very much of this, if at all, in the 85006. Those that choose to fully integrate tend to move on from the 85006 and lose their ties to the 85006. Rob

[Alan]

The 85006 overall with few exceptions does tend to vote/agree/see things the same way, yes. I would hazard to guess one reason is that many Hispanics here have not been in the US for long, and those that have tend to have very strong connections with friends and family outside of the US...…...given that they have not fully intergrated, they tend to have a similar take on most issues. And a very easy to understand take, too, for anyone non-Hispanic whose ever lived in fear of America/been an economic victim of America. RobI think you must be exaggerating a bit. Are you saying that many of your peeps came to the US, and stay, making them victims of America? It seems that they would return home if their ties to home and family were so strong and residence in America were so intolerable. Might there be a little bit of projection there?

[bae]

Bae.....that said, I'm curious...….hasn't he been good for the wealthy, for those with significant assets tied up on Wall Street? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just trying to understand and get the story from someone with actual assets is all. Rob

First of all, the stock market recovery and movement, IMO, isn't primarily due to Trump, but rather to a longer term trend, see here:

https://www.quora.com/Under-Trumps-Presidency-the-Dow-Jones-hit-a-new-record-of-25-000-What-do-Democrats-leftists-liberals-think-of-this/answer/Chris-OLeary-19?share=7a7ce406&srid=dQpB

I see no reason to credit him for the trend.

What I *have* observed is tremendous volatility, generally tied directly to Trump's tweet-of-the-day.

I invest with a very long time horizon. I value the ability to analyze data, calculate risk, and develop statistical models that produce reasonable performance, over time, with acceptable risk. The current madness has made me have to rewrite complicated models that I've been using successfully, through ups and downs, through different Presidents and Congresses, for nearly 25 years now.

Furthermore, I am of the opinion, looking at market movements, that Trump is on the phone late at night with major players asking for their advice, or bragging about what he is going to do in the morning, and they are *trading on that information*.

The level of graft, self-dealing, unpredictability, and the lack of transparency is poisoning the well.

So, since I value responsible government, rule of law, transparency, fairness, and so on - Trump isn't my choice. As a rich person. Even if my metric is purely portfolio performance, I believe I can make more money over the long run if we have stable markets, and a stable government.

Yes, I'm up *a lot* since he was elected, but I don't think it's because of him, and that's not my main interest.

[iris lilies]

First of all, the stock market recovery and movement, IMO, isn't primarily due to Trump, but rather to a longer term trend, see here:

https://www.quora.com/Under-Trumps-Presidency-the-Dow-Jones-hit-a-new-record-of-25-000-What-do-Democrats-leftists-liberals-think-of-this/answer/Chris-OLeary-19?share=7a7ce406&srid=dQpB

I see no reason to credit him for the trend.

What I *have* observed is tremendous volatility, generally tied directly to Trump's tweet-of-the-day.

I invest with a very long time horizon. I value the ability to analyze data, calculate risk, and develop statistical models that produce reasonable performance, over time, with acceptable risk. The current madness has made me have to rewrite complicated models that I've been using successfully, through ups and downs, through different Presidents and Congresses, for nearly 25 years now.

Furthermore, I am of the opinion, looking at market movements, that Trump is on the phone late at night with major players asking for their advice, or bragging about what he is going to do in the morning, and they are *trading on that information*.

The level of graft, self-dealing, unpredictability, and the lack of transparency is poisoning the well.

So, since I value responsible government, rule of law, transparency, fairness, and so on - Trump isn't my choice. As a rich person. Even if my metric is purely portfolio performance, I believe I can make more money over the long run if we have stable markets, and a stable government.

Yes, I'm up *a lot* since he was elected, but I don't think it's because of him, and that's not my main interest.

Oh I think Trump gets credit for the rising market because he is sitting int the seat. Some of the big jumps happened due to him just being who he is ( jump from the Dow’s 18,000 to 20,000 and no dip below) upon his electon, for instance. While the trendline in Obsma’s time was upward, there was no significant single jump. Obama’s trendline flirted with 20,000 over and over, but couldnt get there.

Not saying this has anything to do with Trump policy or actions it’s just the way it is. The stock market is unpredictable and often illogical.

warren Buffet complained about recent volitility, but our financial advisor said “not really” to the volitility, so there is divided opinion on that.

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[Tammy]

I would like to point out that lots of voters don’t vote based on whether it’s more money in their own pocket. Bae is a fine example of this. Lots of us vote based on morality and principle, however we happen to see it.

Back when I was poor I voted republican, and refused food stamps and Medicaid. On principle. Because I thought libertarianism was correct and I thought govt programs were wrong.

Then I became wealthier but my principles changed. So now I’m voting liberal which could raise my taxes - but I don’t care. It’s how I see the world now, based on principles.

[Lainey]

Also wanted to add that the stock market is Not the Economy. As we are witnessing right now, an increase in the stock market does not translate to an average American enjoying a successful economy.