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Ultralight
7-12-18, 6:31pm
So a month and a half ago I came home from work feeling haggard and annoyed one day. On a whim I applied to a job in Maryland. I was not totally qualified, but close. And in certain ways I was very qualified.
I thought: "What the heck."
So I sent in my resume and such.
Today they called AND emailed about an interview (to be done over the internets) middle of next week.
They seemed surprisingly interested in me... I am not accustomed to this.
Anyway, here is the zinger. The job starts at $88k.
Whoot! Would you have to relocate to MD? I've been there once...the area I was in (Frederick) was lovely.
So a month and a half ago I came home from work feeling haggard and annoyed one day. On a whim I applied to a job in Maryland. I was not totally qualified, but close. And in certain ways I was very qualified.
I thought: "What the heck."
So I sent in my resume and such.
Today they called AND emailed about an interview (to be done over the internets) middle of next week.
They seemed surprisingly interested in me... I am not accustomed to this.
Anyway, here is the zinger. The job starts at $88k.
Great news! Maryland is a great state (but I'm partial to the Northeast). You can visit Washington, Philadelphia, and NYC without much driving at all!
And with a raise, think of all the jet-setting you can do! ;)
rosarugosa
7-12-18, 6:38pm
Wow - good luck!
Ultralight
7-12-18, 6:42pm
Whoot! Would you have to relocate to MD? I've been there once...the area I was in (Frederick) was lovely.
It is in a small town/rural area in MD, a couple hours from DC. So yes, I would relocate. I want to move out of the city.
Don't get me wrong here. This job is a long shot. I mean a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot.
I live about 20 miles outside of Frederick. I love where we live. If yours is a couple hours from DC, depending on the direction it will also be a pretty area. Good luck. Lives have been changed with whims such as yours.
Teacher Terry
7-12-18, 8:26pm
Good luck! I really hope you get it.
Go for it, no harm in trying. :)
Good luck! One of the best jobs I ever had was a longshot. Just believe you can do it.
mschrisgo2
7-12-18, 9:16pm
WOW!! The Universe is telling you to get out of that box, you been there long enough, reward is coming right up! Good luck with the interview.
Ultralight
7-12-18, 9:36pm
I intend to give it my best effort. :)
Great news. and even if you don't get this one I think you are getting some energy moving towards positive changes.
In 1977 we had something similar happen to us. Job was so bad that we were on vacation a long way away. On a whim stopped at the city office (hubby worked for the city where we lived in Alaska). They offered him a job in 24 hours. We moved from Alaska to Indiana in 45 days. Did I tell you the job he had in Alaska was bad?
The universe works in mysterious ways. We have remained in IN for over 40 years and are perfectly happy to stay for another 30 hopefully.
Well, congrats on an interview. I loved MD back in the early 80's when I lived there. Some great hiking areas along C&O canals if I remember right. When we've gone back it's mainly to visit family in Bethesda/DC. Son#1 just returned from a few weeks in the Silver Springs area. He had a blast and plans to move up there next year for a short term project.
This seems to be a year for big, big changes for many of us.
Maryland sounds nice, and conveniently located.
i hope this all works out in the best possible way!
Follow the money. Passion will disappoint you nine times out of ten.
ApatheticNoMore
7-13-18, 11:19am
Follow the money. Passion will disappoint you nine times out of ten.
but fake passion to get the job. It seems a lot of people out there do care about such nonsense as seeming passionate. What can I say, the world is insane >8)
Teacher Terry
7-13-18, 11:39am
We are on a trip and I had dinner with a friend of mine from graduate school. He is retired and I asked him if he regretted working in human services in public service versus private due to money. He didn’t and neither do I. However, UL doesn’t like job he has so sounds like it would be a win win more money and hopefully better job.
Gardenarian
7-13-18, 11:55am
Ultracool!
catherine
7-13-18, 12:23pm
Follow the money. Passion will disappoint you nine times out of ten.
Money will not save your sanity if you have a job you are not excited about. I agree that the "Follow your passion and money will follow" line of thinking is flawed, but what a waste of a life if you are working ONLY for money.
I'll bet you have some passion for numbers.
ApatheticNoMore
7-13-18, 12:33pm
Money will not save your sanity of you have a job you are not excited about or which doesn't . I agree that the "Follow your passion and money will follow" line of thinking is flawed, but what a waste of a life if you are working ONLY for money.
I'll bet you have some passion for numbers.
Passion is a fairy tale for children and not even a useful one. There are a lot of things besides passion that actual adults regret not seeking in a career. For some money sure, lifelong poverty is WAY OVERRATED! But ALSO ... I'd probably give up a kidney to have a career where there are lot of openings without nightmare commutes (sure like accounting, like healthcare, etc.). I talked to a recruiter for a job I know I'll be commuting close to 3 hours a day (in stop and go and standstill traffic the whole time), I have to admit that's likely not doable :(. Oh and public transit would take 2 hours each way, so out of the question as an option. An hour drive each way, sure that's reasonable even if exhausting, but any more than that ... So commute, also hours working, a lot of people would also trade a less passionate career to have a straight up 40 hour workweek rather than a 60 hour one, so there is time for the things they maybe value a lot more in life than just earning a living even if earning a living must be done.
But if you are interviewing and you want the job, fake passionate (think harry met sally fake), you love the work and what is more you luv luv luv the industry as well!!! You have always, trust me always, wanted to work in that industry! If you really really don't want the job but somehow landed up in an interview eh well sometimes hard to fake passion there ...
I have a job that is quite satisfying, but far from what I would call passion-fulfillment. It is not what I had originally hoped to be doing at this or any stage. Nonetheless, I am content with it.
catherine
7-13-18, 12:40pm
Passion is a fairy tale for children and not even a useful one. There are a lot of things besides passion that actual adults regret not seeking in a career. For some money sure, lifelong poverty is WAY OVERRATED! But ALSO ... I'd probably give up a kidney to have a career where there are lot of openings without nightmare commutes (sure like accounting, like healthcare, etc.). I talked to a recruiter for a job I know I'll be commuting close to 3 hours a day (in stop and go and standstill traffic the whole time), I have to admit that's likely not doable :(. Oh and public transit would take 2 hours each way, so out of the question as an option. An hour drive each way, sure that's reasonable even if exhausting, but any more than that ... So commute, also hours working, a lot of people would also trade a less passionate career to have a straight up 40 hour workweek rather than a 60 hour one, so there is time for the things they maybe value a lot more in life than just earning a living even if earning a living must be done.
Don't get me wrong. I'm in the pharmaceutical business for the money. My idealistic son once asked me "What are the creative rewards you get from your job?" and I said, "I do it for the money." And he persisted, confused because he believes everyone must be passionate: "No, I mean there must be SOMETHING that you love about your job." And I said. "Nah, I do it for the money."
BUT I was trying to impress on him a point--that, as you said, ANM, we simply have to earn a living. But honestly, I LOVE talking to patients. I LOVE figuring out how to transform information into actionable ideas and strategies. I LOVE traveling. I LOVE the intellectual challenge of a liberal-arts-major-theatre-geek needing to learn enough science to speak intelligently. I LOVE the ability to be autonomous in my job.
I have had to take jobs that I hated, just for money (and poor money at that). I'll never do it again. I'd rather be poor (and it's not as if I don't know what living a poverty-stricken life is like).
Sounds promising. Have fun with the interview and remind yourself the person(s) on the other end of the line are just people too. Even if it doesn't pan out, doing job interviews is good practice.
ToomuchStuff
7-14-18, 10:29am
I was of the type that tried to do things I loved for a living. I learned to hate those things, as others were happy to pay to have their problems fixed, to the point I could have easily been working 24 hours a day.
gimmethesimplelife
7-14-18, 12:55pm
I wish you the best with this, UL. Even if you don't get the job, it's interview experience......and the office job I recently interviewed for and didn't get? This process showed me that I am a good fit with where I am right now and made me yet more content in my current position. Who knows? Maybe you will have the same experience, or maybe you will get the job and it will be a great thing for you, who knows? Once again, I wish you the best. Rob
The word passion is overused. When I hear someone use it in an interview I’m immediately suspicious.
The word passion is overused. When I hear someone use it in an interview I’m immediately suspicious.
Along with "driven," "high energy," "team player," "people person," and all those other corporate descriptors that make me want to head for the hills.
There are vanishingly few corporate jobs that engender passion in me. I can't think of one offhand. I had a phone interview with Microsoft that went badly because I couldn't feign interest in whatever hugely boring product, service, or concept they needed an editor for.
ApatheticNoMore
7-15-18, 11:44am
Along with "driven," "high energy," "team player," "people person," and all those other corporate descriptors that make me want to head for the hills.
There are vanishingly few corporate jobs that engender passion in me. I can't think of one offhand. I had a phone interview with Microsoft that went badly because I couldn't feign interest in whatever hugely boring product, service, or concept they needed an editor for.
at least microsoft is big prestigious company etc. so I could see *some* people getting excited (I don't get excited about corporate jobs either though). I had an interview for a job in the gambling industry that wanted me to get excited about that. Uh it's more scraping bottom of the barrel it feels but what can you do. I did ok on the interview I think, even if it felt like scraping bottom of the barrel I let none of that show. But ecstasy uh no. Maybe why it didn't get beyond a phone interview, but I never know, I was near perfectly qualified. It turned out it was fairly legitimate for gambling industry. They also wanted me to spend potentially up to 25% of my time traveling to eastern canada (which when asked if it was a problem I of course correctly answered: "no, I'm willing", all the while thinking: good grief, way to spring that on me, why didn't you mention this in the job ad?). But faking ecstasy on the phone no.
So any industry, next the porn industry will interview me for an office job and want me to be excited about finally getting to work in porn(!), any company no matter how tiny and obscure, now wants passion I guess. And I'll have to pretend that working in porn (but only behind the scenes see) is now my lifelong passion or else I'll starve I guess. Fine, I will, I will any song and dance you want, but it isn't really to my favor that ALL jobs have become all about the emotional labor at this point. That's why Microsoft I could forgive for that expectation at least to a degree especially back in the day when it was the big player ... but only non-profits can really excite any degree of it for me, sometimes.
I don’t want an excited person interviewing. I want to levelheaded person interviewing, who recognizes that this is the transaction where they gain income and we gain some help. It’s perfectly fine with me if they don’t love their work as long as they’re willing to do it with a good attitude.
I don’t want an excited person interviewing. I want to levelheaded person interviewing, who recognizes that this is the transaction where they gain income and we gain some help. It’s perfectly fine with me if they don’t love their work as long as they’re willing to do it with a good attitude.
I like enthusiasm. When I hired, I was attracted to that quality in a candidate. I don't care if working for me isn't the fulfillment of their highest dream, but I want a little "oomph." At least to start with. I'm not interested in working with robots. But maybe it depends on the job.
Ultralight
7-17-18, 7:30am
If I make $88k then my student loan payment goes from $300 a month to $900.
I didn’t say I wanted a robot. But I also don’t want a cheerleader. I want a reasonable adult.
I didn’t say I wanted a robot. But I also don’t want a cheerleader. I want a reasonable adult.
I understand. I kind of like cheerleaders--maybe because I was one.
If I make $88k then my student loan payment goes from $300 a month to $900.
Now that’s progressive!
Ultralight
7-17-18, 1:13pm
Now that’s progressive!
I am trying to figure out if it would be worth it, considering the $88k would probably bump me into a new tax bracket too.
Williamsmith
7-17-18, 1:14pm
Now that’s progressive!
Progressive would be if you could get the public service loan forgiveness and go back to school for four more years or more on loans after the 120 th payment and then get the public service loan forgiveness again. Hey, if it was alright the first time.....why not the second?
I am trying to figure out if it would be worth it, considering the $88k would probably bump me into a new tax bracket too.
Given the cost of living increase in Maryland, and high taxes, how would this impact your spendable/saveable income each month? How much faster would this get you out of debt? How many months at 900 dollars per month, and what is the difference in the "out of debt" dates? How would it impact your personal life and relationships with loved ones?
could you still bike to work? What about car insurance--would it go up insanely in the new place?
Have you looked at the take home numbers at this new debt level? Does this job also qualify for the loan forgiveness program?
(You don't have to answer any or all of these, but these are questions I would be thinking about for your calculus of would it be worth it.)
Ultralight
7-17-18, 1:38pm
Given the cost of living increase in Maryland, and high taxes, how would this impact your spendable/saveable income each month? How much faster would this get you out of debt? How many months at 900 dollars per month, and what is the difference in the "out of debt" dates? How would it impact your personal life and relationships with loved ones?
could you still bike to work? What about car insurance--would it go up insanely in the new place?
Have you looked at the take home numbers at this new debt level? Does this job also qualify for the loan forgiveness program?
(You don't have to answer any or all of these, but these are questions I would be thinking about for your calculus of would it be worth it.)
This job would take me off the PSLF plan.
The jobsite is in a very rural area. Hollywood, MD.
So I am trying to figure out your questions and others.
Oh wow, I see it on the map. Near the Eastern shore kind of. You're not kidding about rural. Spectacular fishing and nice climate. But boy, geographically challenged. I would have a hard time moving there solo, I think. Maybe the workplace would make up for the isolation? (It would not for me when I was young.) We did live in an isolated college town in upstate NY for several years and it was so depressing, at least it was for me.
I think it would be very tough culturally to go there without family and a church--traditional ways folks socialize in the South unless it's not the South because it is Maryland. Man, a tough one. I love crab cakes, there is that. Maybe the money and a better job would make you happier?
I don't know much about Maryland, just used to go to the horse jumping there and fishing on the Eastern shore. How far is it Baltimore? That seems to be a hot destination now.
Do you think it would be awonderful job culture?
Teacher Terry
7-17-18, 3:49pm
What about your girlfriend?
Oh wow, I see it on the map. Near the Eastern shore kind of. You're not kidding about rural. Spectacular fishing and nice climate. But boy, geographically challenged. I would have a hard time moving there solo, I think. Maybe the workplace would make up for the isolation? (It would not for me when I was young.) We did live in an isolated college town in upstate NY for several years and it was so depressing, at least it was for me.
I think it would be very tough culturally to go there without family and a church--traditional ways folks socialize in the South unless it's not the South because it is Maryland. Man, a tough one. I love crab cakes, there is that. Maybe the money and a better job would make you happier?
I don't know much about Maryland, just used to go to the horse jumping there and fishing on the Eastern shore. How far is it Baltimore? That seems to be a hot destination now.
Do you think it would be awonderful job culture?
I had a patient ethnography last year in Lusby, MD, which is pretty nearby. I actually rented a car in Washington, I think. It's closer to DC than Baltimore. I think it took me about an hour to get there. It was a nice ride, but not real close to DC. I remember it being more suburban/rural than flat-out rural.
I had a patient ethnography last year in Lusby, MD, which is pretty nearby. I actually rented a car in Washington, I think. It's closer to DC than Baltimore. I think it took me about an hour to get there. It was a nice ride, but not real close to DC. I remember it being more suburban/rural than flat-out rural.
An hour is not very far for nights out, unless you are a more urban person and want things like Uber, I guess?
But probably not much for diverse restaurants, etc., right?
Ultralight
7-17-18, 5:28pm
Oh wow, I see it on the map. Near the Eastern shore kind of. You're not kidding about rural. Spectacular fishing and nice climate. But boy, geographically challenged. I would have a hard time moving there solo, I think. Maybe the workplace would make up for the isolation? (It would not for me when I was young.) We did live in an isolated college town in upstate NY for several years and it was so depressing, at least it was for me.
I think it would be very tough culturally to go there without family and a church--traditional ways folks socialize in the South unless it's not the South because it is Maryland. Man, a tough one. I love crab cakes, there is that. Maybe the money and a better job would make you happier?
I don't know much about Maryland, just used to go to the horse jumping there and fishing on the Eastern shore. How far is it Baltimore? That seems to be a hot destination now.
Do you think it would be awonderful job culture?
Well, I would like to live in a small town. Rural is doable for me.
I'd probably fish there quite a bit. And I don't get bored easily -- books to read, I can draw sketches, hang out with my dog, and so on.
Ultralight
7-17-18, 5:28pm
What about your girlfriend?
No easy solution for this. She is encouraging me to take the gig if offered. Her sister lives in Maryland. But it could split us up.
Teacher Terry
7-17-18, 7:03pm
If it a serious relationship I would probably value it over the job but it is a big decision no matter what.
It sounds like the small town and the fishing would work really well for you! An hour from international airport is really nice, too. IF it is a college they might have shuttles to the city, public transportation that way.
Ultralight
7-18-18, 7:08am
Welp... the interview is this afternoon. Suit is dusted off, tie is pre-tied, and video conferencing system is downloaded.
I have a lot of other things on my mind, and a lot of things related to this interview are on my mind too, but my plan is: Clear my mind, focus, and do the interview. That is all.
Welp... the interview is this afternoon. Suit is dusted off, tie is pre-tied, and video conferencing system is downloaded.
I have a lot of other things on my mind, and a lot of things related to this interview are on my mind too, but my plan is: Clear my mind, focus, and do the interview. That is all.
Break a leg.
Good luck, put aside the decisions and do yourbest
Ultralight
7-19-18, 7:58am
I am really banking on my straight, white, male privilege to help me out on this!
ApatheticNoMore
7-19-18, 10:46am
I would take white privilege helping me out, I need it desperately, so anything, anything ... but I'm not really sure it exists. But really hire me because I'm cute and have a nice smile at this point (my smile is nice!), I don't care why, just give me a chance. I can prove myself when I get the job. I guess at best privilege is a lack of things being even harder ... every day is still climbing a mountain but at least it's not Everest.
You know I try my best to use my privilege to be an awesome boss who looks beyond what people have on their resume to what all they bring. So it means that some people may not have the education or have had the opportunity for that, but I can still hire them and support their growth. I admit I have been fortunate so I want to use it well, like my family has tried to for years.
I’m not in the fulfillment business. I’m in the accounting business. If I’m hiring people for any other reason than that they’re the most qualified we can afford, I’m cheating my employer.
ApatheticNoMore
7-19-18, 3:28pm
but we have to pretend we are in the fulfillment business, that we work for fulfillment and not money, every interview has to be that. Most qualified by some definition of qualified but it's really mostly about personality, anyone who gets an interview is usually qualified. I've been on the other side of this and gave my input but seen people hired based on who would be fun to eat lunch with.
I agree with ANM that most people are hired because their chemistry is right or for some other factor than for competency. Unless you're hiring a scientist with granular bona fides, most candidates for any given job will have similar qualifications. So then you go to the lunch buddy criterion--or in the case of one of my jobs--the "no kids at home" criterion.
If I’m hiring people for any other reason than that they’re the most qualified we can afford, I’m cheating my employer.
Maybe accounting draws a different crowd of participants, but I worked with plenty (plenty) of IT folks who were flippin' brilliant at what they did behind a keyboard or CAD/CAM station but who had the social skills of celery. Sometimes they even were promoted into management despite these obvious shortcomings.
Give me a decently-qualified person who can get along with others and I'll run with 'em all day long.
Personally I'd be in favor of figuring out a way to mimic the symphony orchestra audition process. The people auditioning are behind a screen so that the selection committee has no idea of anything about the person other than how well they play. The people auditioning even take off their shoes so that it's not apparent from footstep sounds whether the person is a man or woman.
catherine
7-20-18, 12:07am
but we have to pretend we are in the fulfillment business, that we work for fulfillment and not money, every interview has to be that. Most qualified by some definition of qualified but it's really mostly about personality, anyone who gets an interview is usually qualified. I've been on the other side of this and gave my input but seen people hired based on who would be fun to eat lunch with.
I just came back from a business dinner where my client (woman probably mid-late 40s) talked about how hiring is "slim pickings" because candidates just want to know what the job responsibilities are--what they are expected to do. They show no interest in her business, or even much interest in hard work. She eliminates out of hand the employees who seem to have no interest in how they can fill the company's needs and are more interested in whether or not the job will suit THEM.
It helps to have a personality that you gel with, but I never thought about lunch when I hired people. Although I do recall hiring a socially-awkward woman whom I interviewed over lunch, and she was so nervous she dropped her lunch in her lap. I felt bad, but I hired her. Never ate with her again.
ApatheticNoMore
7-20-18, 3:20am
I just came back from a business dinner where my client (woman probably mid-late 40s) talked about how hiring is "slim pickings" because candidates just want to know what the job responsibilities are--what they are expected to do.
it is the single most important thing to get out of an initial contact: what actually doing the job will involve (nope you can't usually get this entirely from just the job ad). What could be more important when taking a job than knowing what one will be doing daily? Yes I've gone in blind before, having no idea what the job would even entail, it worked out tolerably, but I can't say I recommend it as strategy - unemployment has driven me to strange things before :~).
And one doesn't always get this information if they aren't making sure to ask it. It's easy of course to forget any number of things, you are in full performance mode in an interview and that is incredibly mentally taxing.
Ultralight
7-20-18, 7:07am
I guess I should hear something today...
it is the single most important thing to get out of an initial contact: what actually doing the job will involve (nope you can't usually get this entirely from just the job ad). What could be more important when taking a job than knowing what one will be doing daily? Yes I've gone in blind before, having no idea what the job would even entail, it worked out tolerably, but I can't say I recommend it as strategy - unemployment has driven me to strange things before :~).
And one doesn't always get this information if they aren't making sure to ask it. It's easy of course to forget any number of things, you are in full performance mode in an interview and that is incredibly mentally taxing.
It's not that they were asking what they had to do, they didn't ask anything else. When my kids were going on interviews, and when we did as well, DH and I would research the company thoroughly so that we could play back the information and ask questions that would suggest we were a) prepared and b) interested and c) engaged. If you drop something like, "Yeah, and I saw that ACME's sales tripled last year!" that would win points in any interviewer's book.
In my field getting along with people is essential. That means the kids, families and team. I can teach lesson plans and even group management skills but not attitude and personality.
Good luck, I hope you hear soon!
Ultralight
7-21-18, 9:09am
Welp... They told me they would contact me by Friday to tell me where I am at in the process. But they did not do that.
Welp... They told me they would contact me by Friday to tell me where I am at in the process. But they did not do that.
Employers can be so lax about this. Very infuriating to the applicant. Hang in there.
Ultralight
7-21-18, 9:23am
They looked me right in the face twice, unsolicited, and told me: "We will contact you by Friday."
Then they didn't. This is a little red flag for me in my interview of them.
mschrisgo2
7-21-18, 9:40am
That could be taken as a hopeful sign... Sometimes they offer the job to their first choice candidate, who doesn't really want it, but delays getting back to them until the very last minute, thus delaying the offer to the next candidate, who could be You! Hold positive thoughts, and I will hold them for you also.
iris lilies
7-21-18, 11:00am
That could be taken as a hopeful sign... Sometimes they offer the job to their first choice candidate, who doesn't really want it, but delays getting back to them until the very last minute, thus delaying the offer to the next candidate, who could be You! Hold positive thoughts, and I will hold them for you also.
I thought that, too. Employers don’t control the entire process.
Ultralight
7-21-18, 11:17am
They told me during the interview that they were interviewing various candidates and they would update me on Friday if I made it to the next stage in the hiring process. They were not going to tell me on Friday if I was hired or not.
I had that too Ultralight, In that case I didn't get the job but I did get one later. I know there are times I have been delayed even with a candidate I wanted to hire,and other times in the rush of hiring I didn't call someone back
iris lilies
7-21-18, 11:33am
They told me during the interview that they were interviewing various candidates and they would update me on Friday if I made it to the next stage in the hiring process. They were not going to tell me on Friday if I was hired or not.
Ok, they should not have given you a specific day for the decision.
When hiring, I used to say “I hope to make a decision in the next few days” making no promises as to exact day, but clueing them that it would not be weeks.
Once in a while it WAS weeks if key decision makers were out on vacation, or the hiring was not pressing to fill the position and other issues took precedence, so I would tell them “this process will be taking a few weeks.” In this latter case I always kept in mind that truly good candidates would be swept up by other employers, so I made hiring a top priority 95% of the time. I was always amazed at my colleagues who let their hiring process drag on for weeks.
ApatheticNoMore
7-21-18, 11:35am
They told me during the interview that they were interviewing various candidates and they would update me on Friday if I made it to the next stage in the hiring process. They were not going to tell me on Friday if I was hired or not.
i was told I would hear something Friday for a job I interviewed for as well, but I was told this by the recruiter and not the company. Only got that it was still unknown. And I do think it was close to a hiring decision. I guess I'm maybe not the first choice.
As for the hiring process dragging on for weeks though that has even happened after I have been offered a job verbally (and "they'll send me the information"), and then they disappear for awhile and only when I call and ask about it etc. do I even get an official job offer.
ToomuchStuff
7-21-18, 1:24pm
They said Friday, or they said WHICH Friday?
Ultralight
7-21-18, 1:26pm
Yesterday.
Well, from what you have posted, and I read it a couple of times, I keep getting the impression that if you didn't hear from them on Friday, you were no longer being considered for the position. Is that a possible interpretation and explanation for no contact from them. Not trying to be a downer.
Once in a while it WAS weeks if key decision makers were out on vacation, or the hiring was not pressing to fill the position and other issues took precedence, so I would tell them “this process will be taking a few weeks.”
That is the way that communication should be handled. I, too, have seen such decisions stalled by someone being out of the office or some "Urgent 0.9" problem pushing everything else off the calendar. I realize candidates want to know as soon as possible, but I'd rather underpromise and overdeliver than give someone a date I do not absolutely control.
Ultralight
7-21-18, 11:12pm
Well, from what you have posted, and I read it a couple of times, I keep getting the impression that if you didn't hear from them on Friday, you were no longer being considered for the position. Is that a possible interpretation and explanation for no contact from them. Not trying to be a downer.
I think I am quite possibly still in the running. We'll see though. I am deliberating with myself if I want to take it or not if offered.
Ultralight
7-23-18, 6:07pm
I did not get the job. They just called me.
rosarugosa
7-23-18, 6:14pm
I'm sorry to hear that, although at least you didn't appear to have your heart set on it.
I'm sorry UL. but it got your brain thinking of different possibilities.
Sorry to hear that UL, but it may be all for the best.
Ultralight
7-23-18, 6:58pm
I am not busted up over it or anything like that. My ladyfriend suspects it might be an issue of identity politics.
My ladyfriend suspects it might be an issue of identity politics.
Curious, what gives you reason to think that?
Ultralight
7-23-18, 7:07pm
Curious, what gives you reason to think that?
She told me that.
She told me that.
No, I meant what causes your ladyfriend to say that? Based on what evidence? (you = both of you)
Ultralight
7-23-18, 7:24pm
No, I meant what causes your ladyfriend to say that? Based on what evidence? (you = both of you)
I don't necessarily think that it was an issue of identity politics. It could be. But I don't know.
My ladyfriend thinks this because the job ad said something like "Women and people of color are especially encouraged to apply."
I don't necessarily think that it was an issue of identity politics. It could be. But I don't know.
You'll never know. But you get full credit for getting out there and at least making it as far as you did -- kudos! I know there were some real reservations about taking the job; now you at least have time to think some more about those issues.
Glad that you know. It is hard waiting. As others have said, this has opened the door to future possibilities.
You'll never know. But you get full credit for getting out there and at least making it as far as you did -- kudos! I know there were some real reservations about taking the job; now you at least have time to think some more about those issues.
Agreed. And I bet your lady friend is relieved!
Ultralight
7-23-18, 8:21pm
No harm, no foul.
It was good experience for the next awesome opportunity that is coming your way!
Teacher Terry
7-23-18, 8:37pm
It would have been a difficult choice since you have a great relationship now.
Ultralight
7-23-18, 8:41pm
It would have been a difficult choice since you have a great relationship now.
I would not call it "great" but it is fairly good.
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