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gimmethesimplelife
7-18-18, 10:24am
Beyond Mr. Trump's performance in Helsinki (I'm so jealous of those folks with their better passports!!!) Mr. Trump was created quite a stir in the EU with his recent comment that the EU is a foe of the US. This comment was basically buried by the Orange Thug's performance in Helsinki but it was apparently not lost on citizens of the EU countries.

My relatives in Vienna are now even more worried for my safety and for the future of this country. Their logic is that Trump's words are going to cause consequences now and the EU will retaliate and things will escalate from there. My Cousin Astrid spent hours making an evacuation plan for me featuring flying out of North America through the airport in Mexico City - she doesn't even think I should leave North America through a US airport due to so many people around the world hating the United States now....she questions the safety of any US flight. The whole time I was on the phone with her I was thinking of several conservative posters here and a few scattered Trump supporters I have had the unfortunate luck to run across outside of the 85006.....it would be very illuminating for such people to hear this calm, educated, logical Austrian citizen cold bloodedly giving an accurate assessment of the United States and the unacceptable level of risk being a US citizen places you at. I don't believe many such people could handle such obvious reality, which I see as one of the chief problems the US faces - the need of so many of it's citizens to look the other way and live in denial. No country is worth this.....not even Austria. I'm so glad I know this and am guided by it. But I digress.

I told my Cousin all under this roof have bags packed and have no faith in American whatsoever and that anywhere I go the Austrian flag goes with me. This calmed her down a bit but my family is still worried. I guess this is unavoidable when you live in a sinking country with this caliber of non-leadership but you have family in a better country......they are going to see things as they really are, gloves off, and they are going to worry.

This is not going to end well, folks, is my take and my family not agrees with me but they said it first. I'd pack if you haven't already, and if you never have to run, nothing lost by having this done, right? Remember, those who fled Europe during WW2 lived to tell the tale...……..Rob

iris lilies
7-18-18, 10:50am
It is interesting that this kind of thinking runs in your family.

LDAHL
7-18-18, 11:03am
If we truly are that far gone, I’m curious as to what specific event might prompt you to actually execute your exit strategy.

bae
7-18-18, 11:05am
If you had a watch, you would be less likely to miss your flight.

Teacher Terry
7-18-18, 11:16am
My half sister that is English and lives in Australia loves trump. When she found me on Facebook a few months ago I warned her that our politics were opposite but that my husband is republican as are a few of my friends and we don’t talk politics. We were having a great time emailing everyday but she got so worked up because of Facebook that she no longer wants anything to do with me.

gimmethesimplelife
7-18-18, 11:34am
It is interesting that this kind of thinking runs in your family.True that. You will find that Austrians overall are very cold-bloodedly practical people. Perhaps it's having learned something of the world after aligning with Nazi Germany in WW2 and suffering incredible defeat - I grew up hearing the stories of hardship in Austria after WW2.

Getting to the point, though? This kind of thinking is very Austrian - not only does it run in my family, hop a plane to Vienna and encounter it pretty much everywhere you are going to go - provided that a situation arises justifying this kind of thinking, such as the existence of Donald Trump as the (unfortunately) President of the US. Austrians that you are not related to are mostly not going to go into this kind of conversation, especially with a tourist, unless provoked. The diff here is that these are people related to me that see America for what it is and are genuinely concerned for my safety and my well being. It's probably hard for Conservatives to grasp this, but for relatives in countries better than the US such as Austria, the existence of Donald Trump as President does not inspire one iota of confidence for the continued safety and well being of relatives on US soil. Not pleasant, not nice - but very true and very real and there is no spin or smoke and mirrors whatsoever that is going to change this reality for an Austrian (and I'd hazard to guess other nationalities, too - but my personal experience is with Austrians and not citizens of other better countries). Rob

gimmethesimplelife
7-18-18, 11:38am
If you had a watch, you would be less likely to miss your flight.I did decide to keep that $69 watch from Stauer - it was the post of SteveinMN that helped me make up my mind truth be told. Point here is that I do have a watch so there is no need for concern of my missing any future flight(s). Thanks for your concern, though. Rob

bae
7-18-18, 11:40am
True that. You will find that Austrians overall are very cold-bloodedly practical people. Perhaps it's having learned something of the world after aligning with Nazi Germany in WW2 and suffering incredible defeat - I grew up hearing the stories of hardship in Austria after WW2.


Cold-blooded. Practical. Yup.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005447

I feel so terribly bad about the poor Austrians who had to suffer hardship after WWII. My grandfather said it looked like a nice country, when he visited it in April, 1945.

Teacher Terry
7-18-18, 11:42am
My DIL ‘s family all live in Poland and Germany and are not worried about America. My daughter is only alive because she had brain surgery 6 months ago for a tennis ball sized tumor. This type of surgery can not be done in Poland. The tumor was wrapped around her brain stem. A boy from Poland has a go fund me page so he can come here to get the surgery.

gimmethesimplelife
7-18-18, 11:44am
If we truly are that far gone, I’m curious as to what specific event might prompt you to actually execute your exit strategy.I don't read the future and I don't claim to online. So I don't know what the specific event would be.....but one thing I will say? Even though I can't know whether or not I'm right at the moment, to be fair. I fear Trump doing something so totally over the top - even for him with his track record thus far - that the stock market collapses and this country overnight tanks. I can totally see that happening and at this point, given Trump's record thus far in office, I don't see how a rational person would not have a bag or two packed and contingency plans to flee. The writing on the wall is brutal but clear and I'm not one to flinch or look away from unpleasant reality - better to actively court such and be guided by it......ironically, this is one positive thing I have learned from being a US citizen from the lower social classes - best to court unpleasant reality as much as you can and be guided by it as much as you can. Different people's levels of ability with this are going to differ, though, and I do understand that.

Let's put it this way....in WW2 Europe, I would have been one of those who lived by virtue of being among the first to flee. I can see such coming to the United States - maybe not a Holocaust per se but some kind of horrible upheaval that is best survived by fleeing. The question is how far off is such from happening and there is no real way of knowing that I can think of. Rob

gimmethesimplelife
7-18-18, 11:50am
My half sister that is English and lives in Australia loves trump. When she found me on Facebook a few months ago I warned her that our politics were opposite but that my husband is republican as are a few of my friends and we don’t talk politics. We were having a great time emailing everyday but she got so worked up because of Facebook that she no longer wants anything to do with me.TT I'm sorry this person ditched you due to politics. What I've found is that it's best to be neutral to Conservatives in person and not to discuss politics with them period. Such seems pointless at this point - better to have contingency plans to run, vote Dem during any election, and protest, protest, protest. Or so I see it. Luckily the way my life is set up I'm not going to often run across Conservatives - but I will also say that there is a much more upscale neighborhood not far from me by bus and if I ever wanted to be surrounded by Conservatives, it would not be hard to enter their turf via public bus. LOL....I'll stay in the 85006 Thank You very much, and all will be happier for this decision on my part I rather suspect. Rob

gimmethesimplelife
7-18-18, 11:56am
Cold-blooded. Practical. Yup.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005447

I feel so terribly bad about the poor Austrians who had to suffer hardship after WWII. My grandfather said it looked like a nice country, when he visited it in April, 1945.That was then, Bae, and this is now. I never have denied that Austria indeed has a dark and unsavory past.....matter of fact, I am related to people in the Gnigl neighborhood in Salzburg that I will not speak to this day as they believe the Holocaust was right. Nope, no can have truckings with such people, even if they do hold better citizenship.

But the vast majority of Austrians are not like this, thankfully, and it is a very prosperous country with a higher standard of living than the US - especially for lower-skilled folks, and this is before you factor in the to die for social welfare available to all that America brutally and cruelly has brainwashed many of it's citizens to be against so that the wealthy can pay lower taxes and everyone else can suffer/live in fear and uncertainty for them. Austrians today would not tolerate a system such as that we under in the US - it's too barbaric for them, which I believe says a lot about the decency you will overall encounter in Austria today - though not during the War years, I'll give you that much. Rob

Teacher Terry
7-18-18, 12:09pm
Rob, I was really hurt that politics would be more important than relationships. It is also weird that someone who doesn’t live here cares so much about our politics. Poland also has a unstable president right now that is trying to take away their freedoms. The mayor of Warsaw is openly defying him.

JaneV2.0
7-18-18, 1:15pm
Steve Bannon is in Europe actively fanning Fascist passions among the susceptible. I can't believe memories are so short.

ApatheticNoMore
7-18-18, 1:51pm
But the vast majority of Austrians are not like this, thankfully, and it is a very prosperous country with a higher standard of living than the US - especially for lower-skilled folks, and this is before you factor in the to die for social welfare ... Austrians today would not tolerate a system such as that we under in the US - it's too barbaric for them, which I believe says a lot about the decency you will overall encounter in Austria today

they won't tolerate it eh? Well I guess they protest and good, but still they tolerate anyway. The protesting is to their credit but nonetheless the law passed.

https://www.dw.com/en/austria-thousands-protest-against-plans-for-12-hour-workday/a-44475182
http://awsm.nz/2018/07/14/austria-12-hour-work-day-approved-by-the-parliament/

so 12 hour workdays, how is that NOT a barbaric policy? I know that wage theft is rampant in the U.S. etc. but this is not a discussion about the U.S. but about how Austrians would never allow any barbaric polices and so on .... Really? Or are many Austrians too busy worrying about Trump to care about issues that directly affect them? Do your relatives in Vienna discuss the huge protests in their backyard (the issue seems important and Austria part of a bad trend here as now Germany is considering the same ..) or is it only "blah blah Trump, Trumpity Trump blah, blah blah Trump" (it's bad enough the guy occupies 90% of U.S. political brain cells).

I mean Trump is kind of everyone's problem it is true, but local issues should kinda matter too.

Tybee
7-18-18, 2:16pm
Rob, I think it is better to make a plan for the future than to worry about it and complain and fret. Are your finances such that you could rent a place in Mexico for a year, try it out? Can you get a job there, or your husband, so that you guys would have income? I'd be nervous about moving there until I had rented and tried it all out.

Then, if life seemed better and more hopeful, I'd split to where it felt better and more hopeful. I honestly don't understand why the relatives in Austria's opinion counts so much, as they are not on the scene, unless you have decided to emigrate to Austria. Would that be a good alternative for you? Since you do have family there, and you like it already and feel a lot of loyalty to it?

It's not a good idea to live somewhere that you dislike so strongly. We're grappling with some of the same questions, although we like where we live, but want to move closer to family. I'm sick of looking and thinking about it, maybe we just need to do it.

bae
7-18-18, 2:26pm
Same sex marriage will be legal in Austria starting next year. So there’s that....

Ultralight
7-18-18, 2:51pm
Rob:

You know, I agree. There are better countries than that USA if you want to live a more relaxed, less stressed, good life. Look to our northern border.

But there are also countries with horrible problems that make the USA look like a beautiful destination of freedom and plenty. Look to our southern border.

Do you ever think that maybe your modes of thought about the USA are irrational?

iris lilies
7-18-18, 4:48pm
Same sex marriage will be legal in Austria starting next year. So there’s that....
Wait, whot?
Human dignity is not supported in Austria right now at this time?

Rob, what is that about, anyway?

iris lilies
7-18-18, 4:50pm
My half sister that is English and lives in Australia loves trump. When she found me on Facebook a few months ago I warned her that our politics were opposite but that my husband is republican as are a few of my friends and we don’t talk politics. We were having a great time emailing everyday but she got so worked up because of Facebook that she no longer wants anything to do with me.
I was shocked to read this! So sorry, that once you found her, such a stupid Trump should come between you. He aint worth it, the acrimony and drama.

Teacher Terry
7-18-18, 4:56pm
IL., she found me and I sent her a bunch of pictures of my Dad and grandparents, shared family history etc. We both love to rescue animals and had in common many things. We were enjoying corresponding. I tried to get her to just email instead of messenger on Facebook but she didn't trust it was secure. Then my cousin was also excited and wanted to be her facebook friend and my cousin is very outspoken about politics. I warned everyone involved that we were polar opposites. I was knitting her a scarf in her favorite colors. I am very hurt and even if she changes her mind in the future I am done. I purposely didn't say anything about her posts but she could see mine and my cousins. It is really stupid.

Yppej
7-18-18, 7:23pm
That was then, Bae, and this is now. I never have denied that Austria indeed has a dark and unsavory past....

But the vast majority of Austrians are not like this, thankfully

The vast majority of Austrians elected Kurt Waldheim, who knew and did not protest sending the Jewish community of Thessaloniki to Auschwitz when he served in the Nazi army in Greece. He also knew about German reprisals against partisans and did not speak up.

From the Wikipedia article on him, "Part of the reason [for the Waldheim Affair] ... was Austria's refusal to address its national role in the Holocaust.... Austria refused to pay compensation to Nazi victims, and from 1970 onwards refused to investigate Austrians who were senior Nazis. Stolen Jewish art remained public property until after the Waldheim affair."

bae
7-18-18, 7:40pm
From the reports of the various interested agencies, Austria does not seem to be a paradise for LGBTQ people, or for people of non-Christian religions, or for people who, well, aren't quite as white as others. (*)

Damn good pastries though.

(*) Finland seemed much nicer on these issues, when I was hanging out there recently. Except for the bit about requiring sterilization if you are changing your gender.

iris lilies
7-18-18, 11:24pm
From the reports of the various interested agencies, Austria does not seem to be a paradise for LGBTQ people, or for people of non-Christian religions, or for people who, well, aren't quite as white as others. (*)

Damn good pastries though.

(*) Finland seemed much nicer on these issues, when I was hanging out there recently. Except for the bit about requiring sterilization if you are changing your gender.

Your measures are flawed. It is about providing public healthcare that signals respect for human dignity. None of the rest of it seems to matter much.

Teacher Terry
7-18-18, 11:41pm
Healthcare comes at a price for countries that provide it from higher taxes but I think we could do it as a country. No country is perfect and many are worse than here. There is no utopia.

JaneV2.0
7-19-18, 9:28am
We could certainly provide health care for our people, but we'd need to get the greed/profit factor out of it--huge markups for drugs and equipment, unnecessary private insurance, obscene salaries for CEOs, etc.

Bring tax rates back to where they should be and the military budget back to a reasonable level. There is plenty of money out there to work with.

I read that some Austrian politician wants Jews (and Muslims) to register for kosher meat. Just for old times' sake, I guess.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/19/an-austrian-state-wants-to-force-kosher-meat-consuming-jews-to-register-drawing-nazi-comparisons/?utm_term=.c4674d00bbc9

I would agree that as long as humans are in charge, there will be no perfect state. But some are better than others, clearly.

iris lilies
7-19-18, 10:36am
Rob, I think it is better to make a plan for the future than to worry about it and complain and fret. Are your finances such that you could rent a place in Mexico for a year, try it out? Can you get a job there, or your husband, so that you guys would have income? I'd be nervous about moving there until I had rented and tried it all out.

Then, if life seemed better and more hopeful, I'd split to where it felt better and more hopeful. I honestly don't understand why the relatives in Austria's opinion counts so much, as they are not on the scene, unless you have decided to emigrate to Austria. Would that be a good alternative for you? Since you do have family there, and you like it already and feel a lot of loyalty to it?

It's not a good idea to live somewhere that you dislike so strongly. We're grappling with some of the same questions, although we like where we live, but want to move closer to family. I'm sick of looking and thinking about it, maybe we just need to do it.

Apparently, according to him, the anchor in the U.S. for Rob is his mother. She is a handy excuse for not fleeing today. But I say, she isnt exactly ancient, and she also hates America if I remember correctly, and when he started up with the obvious truths about America a few years ago here, the cold blooded observations doncha know, she was probably around my age. I am plenty capable of moving to a new place.

yeah, real concern for the danger of being in America would involve plans for evacuating my elderly mother. In fact, because she IS frail, I would probably get her out before the real shitstorm began. It is not too early to move her out and get safely settled.

Teacher Terry
7-19-18, 3:22pm
I think the decision to move or not is his Mom’s decision and not Rob’s. Then of course you have to be able to afford to move.

frugal-one
7-19-18, 7:13pm
Beyond Mr. Trump's performance in Helsinki (I'm so jealous of those folks with their better passports!!!) Mr. Trump was created quite a stir in the EU with his recent comment that the EU is a foe of the US. This comment was basically buried by the Orange Thug's performance in Helsinki but it was apparently not lost on citizens of the EU countries.

My relatives in Vienna are now even more worried for my safety and for the future of this country. Their logic is that Trump's words are going to cause consequences now and the EU will retaliate and things will escalate from there. My Cousin Astrid spent hours making an evacuation plan for me featuring flying out of North American through the airport in Mexico City - she doesn't even think I should leave North America through a US airport due to so many people around the world hating the United States now....she questions the safety of any US flight. The whole time I was on the phone with her I was thinking of several conservative posters here and a few scattered Trump supporters I have had the unfortunate luck to run across outside of the 85006.....it would be very illuminating for such people to hear this calm, educated, logical Austrian citizen cold bloodedly giving an accurate assessment of the United States and the unacceptable level of risk being a US citizen places you at. I don't believe many such people could handle such obvious reality, which I see as one of the chief problems the US faces - the need of so many of it's citizens to look the other way and live in denial. No country is worth this.....not even Austria. I'm so glad I know this and am guided by it. But I digress.

I told my Cousin all under this roof have bags packed and have no faith in American whatsoever and that anywhere I go the Austrian flag goes with me. This calmed her down a bit but my family is still worried. I guess this is unavoidable when you live in a sinking country with this caliber of non-leadership but you have family in a better country......they are going to see things as they really are, gloves off, and they are going to worry.

This is not going to end well, folks, is my take and my family not agrees with me but they said it first. I'd pack if you haven't already, and if you never have to run, nothing lost by having this done, right? Remember, those who fled Europe during WW2 lived to tell the tale...……..Rob

Bye

iris lilies
7-19-18, 7:44pm
I think the decision to move or not is his Mom’s decision and not Rob’s. Then of course you have to be able to afford to move.
Oh, agreed! I just wonder why Rob’s mom is still in the U.S. since she seems to dislike it, distrust it, and be part and parcel with the Austrian relatives in mindset.

I would think she could flee pretty easily back to Austria. No money to move? Surely the sale of her belongings would fund a plane ticket, it aint that much. And once in the socialist paradise of Austria where human dignity is respected with gubmnt handouts, she would be all set with housing, food, income.

Reyes
7-20-18, 12:46am
Have you selected a move date yet?

Teacher Terry
7-20-18, 12:57am
She may not have citizenship, etc. We really wanted to spend 6 months a year in Poland until we found out they use coal which is bad for my asthma and hard to get our dogs there.

Ultralight
7-20-18, 6:22am
Rob will not move to another country. Mark my words. No other nation will take him. Rob knows this. He needs to make the best of living here in the US of A.

herbgeek
7-20-18, 6:27am
And once in the socialist paradise of Austria where human dignity is respected with gubmnt handouts, she would be all set with housing, food, income.

Unless of course, you are Jewish or Muslim, in which case there is this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/19/an-austrian-state-wants-to-force-kosher-meat-consuming-jews-to-register-drawing-nazi-comparisons/?utm_term=.59b0f03c177a

Tybee
7-20-18, 7:21am
Rob will not move to another country. Mark my words. No other nation will take him. Rob knows this. He needs to make the best of living here in the US of A.

I disagree with this, Rob, and want to express my personal support for you. My suggestion about renting in mexico for a year was not to tell you to get out; I personally hope you stay as we need people willing to fight for single payer health care. While I am sure you could become an ex-pat, my hope is that you and your husband stay and have a happy life in this country. But if you can't find peace of mind here, I support you exploring options that will make you both happy.

Anyway, I appreciate Americans like yourself who are willing to point out things we need to do to make our country better and stronger and healthier for all of our citizens.

Ultralight
7-20-18, 7:26am
I disagree with this, Rob, and want to express my personal support for you. My suggestion about renting in mexico for a year was not to tell you to get out; I personally hope you stay as we need people willing to fight for single payer health care. While I am sure you could become an ex-pat, my hope is that you and your husband stay and have a happy life in this country. But if you can't find peace of mind here, I support you exploring options that will make you both happy.

Anyway, I appreciate Americans like yourself who are willing to point out things we need to do to make our country better and stronger and healthier for all of our citizens.

I support single payer! I know there are better countries out there than our own.

But I also know what those better countries are looking for (I am looked into expat life in depth). The good ones want you to speak the language, be below a certain age, have specialized skills, etc.

Rob, god love him, does not have these. And neither do I.

IshbelRobertson
7-20-18, 9:15am
Beyond Mr. Trump's performance in Helsinki (I'm so jealous of those folks with their better passports!!!) Mr. Trump was created quite a stir in the EU with his recent comment that the EU is a foe of the US. This comment was basically buried by the Orange Thug's performance in Helsinki but it was apparently not lost on citizens of the EU countries.

My relatives in Vienna are now even more worried for my safety and for the future of this country. Their logic is that Trump's words are going to cause consequences now and the EU will retaliate and things will escalate from there. My Cousin Astrid spent hours making an evacuation plan for me featuring flying out of North American through the airport in Mexico City - she doesn't even think I should leave North America through a US airport due to so many people around the world hating the United States now....she questions the safety of any US flight. The whole time I was on the phone with her I was thinking of several conservative posters here and a few scattered Trump supporters I have had the unfortunate luck to run across outside of the 85006.....it would be very illuminating for such people to hear this calm, educated, logical Austrian citizen cold bloodedly giving an accurate assessment of the United States and the unacceptable level of risk being a US citizen places you at. I don't believe many such people could handle such obvious reality, which I see as one of the chief problems the US faces - the need of so many of it's citizens to look the other way and live in denial. No country is worth this.....not even Austria. I'm so glad I know this and am guided by it. But I digress.

I told my Cousin all under this roof have bags packed and have no faith in American whatsoever and that anywhere I go the Austrian flag goes with me. This calmed her down a bit but my family is still worried. I guess this is unavoidable when you live in a sinking country with this caliber of non-leadership but you have family in a better country......they are going to see things as they really are, gloves off, and they are going to worry.

This is not going to end well, folks, is my take and my family not agrees with me but they said it first. I'd pack if you haven't already, and if you never have to run, nothing lost by having this done, right? Remember, those who fled Europe during WW2 lived to tell the tale...……..Rob

Rob, as a Scot and a European, I am astounded at the views of your relatives, until I realised they are Austrians. Austrians, in the main, are known to favour right-wing, racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, anti-muslim views. The land of the Sound of Music, Mozart and sacher torte isn’t real.

But, Bae is correct about the cakes and pastries.

ApatheticNoMore
7-20-18, 11:53am
Rob, as a Scot and a European, I am astounded at the views of your relatives, until I realised they are Austrians. Austrians, in the main, are known to favour right-wing, racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, anti-muslim views. The land of the Sound of Music, Mozart and sacher torte isn’t real.

they are considered to be ruled by the right wing now anyway, seemingly the only country in Europe with the far right in coalition government now. Present leadership is anti-immigration but also just openly anti-muslim (closing down mosques etc.). As an American I can't parse exactly where this falls in European opinion on some issues, as countries like Denmark are also ramping up the anti-immigration issue etc.. So ...

But right wing government is why completely crazy stuff like the 12 hour day. I would think the EU would forbid that but not from what I've been able to find out, they have mandatory vacation time, but no mandatory work hours. 80,000 in Vienna protesting this is a real resistance though!

As for long long ago, oh I heard from my European Jewish relatives that they were the most anti-Semitic country in Europe and Europe was pretty anti-Semitic to begin with (this was long before the rise of a certain leader in Germany), yes more than Germany. But I don't dwell on long ago, as of course I don't think Germany now is Germany then (no matter what one thinks of the EU). Anymore than I think the U.S. now is the U.S. under slavery, I acknowledge the legacy and don't think it's been dealt with adequately but ...

LDAHL
7-20-18, 2:00pm
I think there is not all that much to be gained by comparing historical sins.

I’m hard put to think of a country with completely clean hands that hasn’t been a doormat for much of the past five centuries or so.

gimmethesimplelife
7-27-18, 9:16pm
From the reports of the various interested agencies, Austria does not seem to be a paradise for LGBTQ people, or for people of non-Christian religions, or for people who, well, aren't quite as white as others. (*)

Damn good pastries though.

(*) Finland seemed much nicer on these issues, when I was hanging out there recently. Except for the bit about requiring sterilization if you are changing your gender.No snark here in this comment, Bae, ok? Try Austrian chocolate sometime.....it's amazing, it really is. Rob

LDAHL
7-28-18, 12:00pm
No snark here in this comment, Bae, ok? Try Austrian chocolate sometime.....it's amazing, it really is. Rob

Does it come with a trigger warning?

gimmethesimplelife
7-29-18, 6:03pm
Does it come with a trigger warning?? Ich verstehe ganz nicht, was Sie meinen. Rob (I totally don't get your meaning - English translation)

gimmethesimplelife
7-29-18, 6:19pm
I disagree with this, Rob, and want to express my personal support for you. My suggestion about renting in mexico for a year was not to tell you to get out; I personally hope you stay as we need people willing to fight for single payer health care. While I am sure you could become an ex-pat, my hope is that you and your husband stay and have a happy life in this country. But if you can't find peace of mind here, I support you exploring options that will make you both happy.

Anyway, I appreciate Americans like yourself who are willing to point out things we need to do to make our country better and stronger and healthier for all of our citizens.Thank You, Tybee. Rob

bae
7-29-18, 8:29pm
? Ich verstehe ganz nicht, was Sie meinen. Rob (I totally don't get your meaning - English translation)

Have you learned German recently?

gimmethesimplelife
7-29-18, 8:55pm
Have you learned German recently?No Bae, I've spoken it at home and I studied it for four years in college and one year in high school. It was always an easy A for me. I would not say I'm fluent as those years are some time ago but I'd rank myself as under professional and above tourist ability. I am not 100% fluent but can get my points across and make myself understood. Rob