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Okay I still am under this improvement plan, and I am pretty sure that they will use the last week before I went on medical leave to finish it out badly. Very frustrating, I would like to leave on decent terms and felt like I made a lot of progress until that week. There are several things he wrote down as me not adhering to the plan that I simply disagree with. So I am deciding depending on my mental health if I want to turn those in. I also don't want to leave a doormat. I asked if I could send anything ahead of time for the meeting and will only bring what I already have worked on rather than getting into providing more. (pretty sure you all are going to say drop it, :)
But less than 4 days, my fingerprints are done. My references are waiting on one person. My I9 paperwork is done. I am going to drive by the school this evening and get more excited.
I still feel queasy on my new meds, however I noticed that even with high stress on Monday I had some improvement overall.
Teacher Terry
7-18-18, 1:13pm
What is the point of a meeting since you are leaving? I would avoid it if I could.
If there's something going into your permanent file, I would consider writing a succinct rebuttal, if possible.
Missing the meeting is a good alternative.
ZG,
1st, I would state that you want HIS supervisor present for this meeting, that you will not do the meeting without her/him.
Then at that meeting, I would present your progress. I suggest you write your progress and read it to them. Ask that this go into your permanent record. Then they can present their progress report.
I know you're going to attend this meeting so I want to be helpful. So take control of this meeting. You can't control the outcome but you can guide the process.
I would call the therapist and the psychiatrist and see whether attending such a meeting is within the guidelines of what they recommend 2 weeks back from medical leave. I imagine they might say not, it is not, and that you should not do so as it will be too stressful. I would then file the appropriate paperwork to that effect and skip any more meetings with them.
I would also consult an employment attorney, and I would probably be pursuing legal action against them, but I've said that for a while and I know you do not feel it is a good idea.
Anyway, glad you are getting out of there and honestly, if the psychiatrist said to call in sick for 3 days, I would.
Always ask yourself, how is this going to benefit me moving me forward? Other posters have provided a variety of options for you to consider. If you do go, please have your submissions in writing to give them regarding your progress, lack of support and the truly dangerous things happening at the new site. Just bullets are fine. You dont need a long narrative. Sign, date and retain a copy. You can always add more and return.
Thank you all, I am considering all the suggestions. There is always the work culture to factor in. And how carefully I will be listened to since I have quite a reputation with supervisors at this point for not getting things done (the 2 week set up period had a LOT of things I simply did not have time for) and talking back (yeah, personality of a double Scorpio, or just direct and honest).
I have a former colleague who has considered an employment attorney, and another person who left under threat of being fired, and they haven't heard we really have a case. So we are looking into it, definitely over my suggested stress level without a team.
NO WAY can I miss this meeting, it closes out my improvement plan and I suppose that would go in my file that I did not complete all the meetings. At least I can say I finished it. His supervisor is out on vacation, the back up is the one who ran the meeting where I came back and got the list of what I left undone so not feeling the love. I am just going to have this meeting in a reasonably public place. It keeps be behavior better. I am also going to send my notes tonight so there is plenty of time before the meeting to be reviewed. I have done this with a few previous meetings and will include that in my notes with the references to the meeting.
I would love to say something about how I have been sharing that I do not feel well, and disclosed a medical condition in March, and yet none of my requests to work with this have been heard. I am not sure that they are at fault because I am supposed to say 'I need X' specifically, and I didn't really have that clear of an idea. However they knew about this when they assigned me the site. If I had in a document I had asked for no extreme last minute changes I would probably be fine. Otherwise he is a crappy manager but not at fault.
Less than 4 days and I am doing the important stuff, taking care of my staff, setting up someone for success for next year, contacting all the providers and staff who work for me, etc. I take care of people, :)
ZG, please don't provide your feedback in advance of the meeting. Provide it at the meeting.
ZG, please don't provide your feedback in advance of the meeting. Provide it at the meeting.
Gardnr, what are you thinking that would be better? I am totally open to the idea but usually send things ahead of time per department protocol
iris lilies
7-18-18, 4:34pm
ZG for heaven’s sake, you should know by know that you wont be “listened to” at least at the level you expect. I am baffled that this is still a serious thought in your mind.
Your fourth paragraph in message #8 seems like a rehash of the same old same old. What is the point?
I guess, if you are certain that you must attend this last performance meeting, then the above comments from other posters here that focus on you providing a short, bulleted rebuttal seems to be the best course of action.
One thing I would really like to see you do is to have a plan in place for professional support in your new job. It will come with stresses, with challanges, with problems. You will need a therapist, a strong relationship with a good one. You will need perhaps other support professionals. I am not sure that this SImple Living group here is the best place for you to get realisitc feedback since we are handicapped by knowing only part of your reality. I also think you do yourself a disservice by,what appears to me, going to many sources for feedback and those sources may just be an echo chamber for you. That centers you in the hole of misery, I think. Just my opinion.
Thank you Iris, I just want something in my file to have my side at least documented. I want to move on, not go back, and turn this in as my clean break. Then I have passed it on.
I agree on the support actually, I have thought about ongoing support. I have been really shaken by this year but maybe it is also a clear sign that I need to keep getting well rounded treatment. I am not taking myself off the list for sliding scale counseling for sure. Thank you for your honesty.
Teacher Terry
7-18-18, 4:58pm
IL made some great points and I am glad that you will continue with counseling. I am a big believer that sometime in everyone's life it will be beneficial.
iris lilies
7-18-18, 5:09pm
Thank you Iris, I just want something in my file to have my side at least documented. I want to move on, not go back, and turn this in as my clean break. Then I have passed it on.
I agree on the support actually, I have thought about ongoing support. I have been really shaken by this year but maybe it is also a clear sign that I need to keep getting well rounded treatment. I am not taking myself off the list for sliding scale counseling for sure. Thank you for your honesty.
I think that makes sense, to have a written rebuttal for the sole purpose of closing up the “improvement plan” file.
Chnaces are no one will ever look at that again, but you never know.
Think about calling your doctor, ZG, and check this out:
https://www.theemployerhandbook.com/2013/10/court-holds-that-anxiety-from.html
Hmm interesting Tybee, I don't think that I shouod be excused out of the expectations of my improvement plan. I need to seek treatment consistently and show that it is helping honestly. My concern is that at least 3 times I did not have the same notes from our meetings and 15 times I asked directly for feedback or support and was told no or got no response. I was making real progress by my evidence until given this summer camp assignment. I do feel that for a limited time surrounding my break down there could be some reasonable understanding. But that is up to them,
Why do you even care about closing out the improvement plan when you won’t be working for them anymore?
Tammy it is a small world I work in for after school programs, and if I ever work in the district in any capacity they will have access to some of this file. No matter how sucky it is closure for me. Plus dear lord have I ever had a choice with this supervisor! He will follow me to the ends of the earth to get this done because it is probably his improvement plan to have all these dang meetings. He certainly gets points for persistence. Too bad he had to miss a few because I had a mental breakdown, probably affected his plan. Too bad he was 50% of the cause.
My check out will be with someone else however because he will still be on vacation.
ZG, I have one question. Was it just this year that you have had such issues requiring improvement or it is just with this sup? Can you look back at your previous years and see all the positive activities you provided? Don't answer this here necessarily but in your own thinking.
Separate this year from all the previous years working in the same situation.
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