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Ultralight
10-31-18, 9:27pm
Don Lemon of CNN said: "The biggest terror threat in this country is white men"
Link: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-host-don-lemon-says-white-men-are-biggest-terror-threat-to-americans
It is annoying things like this that make me vote libertarian instead of Democrat.
Teacher Terry
10-31-18, 9:34pm
Everyone is jumping on the crazy train:))
Williamsmith
10-31-18, 10:26pm
Don Lemon of CNN said: "The biggest terror threat in this country is white men"
Link: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-host-don-lemon-says-white-men-are-biggest-terror-threat-to-americans
It is annoying things like this that make me vote libertarian instead of Democrat.
That is a historical reference. Don was just quoting Native American King Beaver in 1794 after having met General Mad Anthony Wayne. King Beaver turned to his Delaware counsel and said, “ The biggest terror threat in this country is white men.” Ever since then, we’ve had the same foreign policy. This is ours. If you try to take it back, we’ll kill you.
Don Lemon of CNN said: "The biggest terror threat in this country is white men"
Link: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-host-don-lemon-says-white-men-are-biggest-terror-threat-to-americans
It is annoying things like this that make me vote libertarian instead of Democrat.
to channel bae, what are the stats surrounding mass murders?
Ultralight
11-1-18, 6:20am
to channel bae, what are the stats surrounding mass murders?
Which stats specifically are you asking for?
My guess would be you are implying that the largest percentage of mass murders in the US were committed by males who are Caucasian. Is that what you are implying with your question?
Because we can play the stats and profiling games. But I don't think you want to do that.
Chicken lady
11-1-18, 6:27am
I am a middle aged (ok, i’m 50, can pretend that’s still middle age?) white woman.
statistically the biggest human threats to my life are
traffic
The environment (family history of cancer)
my dh (most murdered white women are killed by an intimate partner)
Denny the white nationalist ptsd suffering vet across the street. Who is heavily armed and lax about his medication.
i am most afraid of traffic, but Denny is a close second.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 7:02am
A few questions:
What percentage of the US population is white and male?
If one took the international terrorism stats from all over the globe, which race and/or gender would you attribute it to? And please state this answer in the same way Don Lemon did. See how that makes you feel to state that.
Why not say: "The biggest terror threat in this country comes from right-wing extremists?"
I can just say overall I am more concerned about white males, I have a dad and a brother and a son, even an ex who I am currently not scared of. But in general if was walking down a dark alley or alone in a situation I would be most concerned of a white male. My personal history has shown me that they are the only ones who have ever given me trouble. So many years, and yeah white males.
There are stats to back it up, but I am just sharing my personal experience.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 7:38am
I can just say overall I am more concerned about white males, I have a dad and a brother and a son, even an ex who I am currently not scared of. But in general if was walking down a dark alley or alone in a situation I would be most concerned of a white male. My personal history has shown me that they are the only ones who have ever given me trouble. So many years, and yeah white males.
There are stats to back it up, but I am just sharing my personal experience.
Do you generally judge people by their skin color or by the content of their character?
Ultralight
11-1-18, 7:46am
There are stats to back it up...
You know, that is the same phrase that white supremacists say when they claim that black men are the most violent people in the US.
You use their same rationale, but on a different racial demographic. How does that make you feel to have that in common with white supremacists?
Ultralight
11-1-18, 7:50am
This should be obvious: I am against white supremacy. It is a horrible idea.
And I think that overcoming white supremacist ideas is a multi-ethnic enterprise. We get there by judging people by their actions and "by the content of their character."
You know, that is the same phrase that white supremacists say when they claim that black men are the most violent people in the US.
You use their same rationale, but on a different racial demographic. How does that make you feel to have that in common with white supremacists?
Wow, I get to know people and their character individually. I do not based hiring decisions on race or gender or other factors. I do not spread stories based on the statistics to get more people to be scared of a certain type of people. And I practice caution all the time as a woman.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 8:12am
But in general if was walking down a dark alley or alone in a situation I would be most concerned of a white male.
Prejudice much?
Remember: There are women, women like you, who think this when they see your son.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 8:12am
Wow, I get to know people and their character individually. I do not based hiring decisions on race or gender or other factors. I do not spread stories based on the statistics to get more people to be scared of a certain type of people. And I practice caution all the time as a woman.
Time to go back and read your previous statements.
Prejudice much?
Remember: There are women, women like you, who think this when they see your son.
Yes they do. Not only is he a white male he has long dreadlocks and his friends are not white. My brother is a very big guy, I explained to him back in high school that it would be better if he was aware of this around girls who may be nervous around him. My kids all 'dressed themselves' in various ways and we talked about how they would be perceived. We also talked about as many times as they got pulled over that it was nowhere near driving while black. I had my own style back in the day, I was accused of cheating and followed in stores.
The thing I could not change was being female, and with that I was treated a certain way without people getting to know me all the time. I just heard all the comments, just touched when I didn't want it, etc. Why is it so different to be at risk of being accused of something as compared to being at risk of being harassed?
Ultralight
11-1-18, 8:34am
Wow, I get to know people and their character individually. I do not based hiring decisions on race or gender or other factors. I do not spread stories based on the statistics to get more people to be scared of a certain type of people.
(Can you imagine being this self-unaware...?)
Timothy McVeigh, the Olympic Park Bomber, the Tree of Life Synagogue shooter, and countless other examples prove the truth of this. I can't believe it's a controversial statement, when all one has to do is look at the history of terrorism in this country.
(Can you imagine being this self-unaware...?)
Honestly I am not sure I get this, supremicists of any kind are doing a lot more than choosing based on one trait. I am not going to do the 'but I have a white male friend' crap,
I will leave your threads in peace now.
catherine
11-1-18, 10:53am
To paraphrase FDR, the biggest terror threat in this country is.. fear itself: fear of "the other" whomever that "other" may be.
(Can you imagine being this self-unaware...?)
Are you this combative and insulting to women in real life?
I wonder what Mr. Lemon has in mind when he says “we have to start doing something about them”?
I wonder what Mr. Lemon has in mind when he says “we have to start doing something about them”?
We could start by not encouraging them in their impotent hatred--by getting rid of our confessed "(white) nationalist" president and the neo-Nazis (Bannon, Gorka, Miller, Spencer) he has given tacit approval and a platform.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 12:00pm
Are you this combative and insulting to women in real life?
Moderator, please step in.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 12:01pm
I wonder what Mr. Lemon has in mind when he says “we have to start doing something about them”?
He is married to a white man.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 12:17pm
But in general if was walking down a dark alley or alone in a situation I would be most concerned of a white male.
How do you feel about someone who would say something like this?
"In general, if I am getting onto a plane I would be most concerned about the Muslims. There are stats showing that most hijackings and attempted hijackings in the past 20 years in the US were committed by Muslims."
I can tell you how I would feel and what I would say to such a person. This:
"The vast, vast majority of Muslims are fine. Numerically, you have almost nothing to worry about. And we have solid security procedures that screen everyone too."
Teacher Terry
11-1-18, 12:21pm
Wow UL, starts a argument and then cries for mom! Maybe look inward on why you have been acting this way lately. You used to be like this but then got nicer. Now your relationship failed and you are mean again.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 12:26pm
Wow UL, starts a argument and then cries for mom! Maybe look inward on why you have been acting this way lately. You used to be like this but then got nicer. Now your relationship failed and you are mean again.
I wanted the moderator to step in because herbgeek asked if I was "combative" to women. I oppose violence against women. When I hear combat, I think of violence. That is the only reason I suggested the moderator step-in and caution this person.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 12:32pm
We could start by not encouraging them in their impotent hatred--by getting rid of our confessed "(white) nationalist" president and the neo-Nazis (Bannon, Gorka, Miller, Spencer) he has given tacit approval and a platform.
Two things boggle my mind here:
1. It is as though you don't think that there are any other type of nationalists except white nationalists. There are. I think nationalism is a bad philosophy. I think white nationalism is a particularly bad form of nationalism.
2. Is Trump responsible for the dumb chit that other grown adults say? I don't think he is. Bannon and that total nutjob Spencer have their own crazy minds. They think up stuff and say it on their own accord. Is Nancy Pelosi responsible for the stuff you say?
Ultralight
11-1-18, 12:43pm
Maybe look inward on why you have been acting this way lately. You used to be like this but then got nicer. Now your relationship failed and you are mean again.
We are debating and arguing on an internet forum. That is kinda what happens here. We argue. We debate. At the end of the day it is pretty darned insignificant in my mind.
I would encourage you and others not to take this all too seriously either.
mschrisgo2
11-1-18, 1:09pm
We are debating and arguing on an internet forum. That is kinda what happens here. We argue. We debate.
Really? There are plenty of threads on this Forum where perceptions are shared without needling and arguing. I observe you doing the "everybody, look at ME! No? then I'll pick a fight and you'll have to pay attention to me" thing again. Many of us were appreciating the more thoughtful Ultralight. Where did he go? Please send him back.
Celibate rage? The odious Incels, whose champions include (white male terrorist) Elliot Rodgers, are full of it. Interestingly, they often use the expression "normies" to put down the rest of us.
Celibate rage? The odious Incels, whose champions include (white male terrorist) Elliot Rodgers, are full of it. Interestingly, they often use the expression "normies" to put down the rest of us.
I find interesting the linkage of sexual insults with these various groups. I'm not sure what that says about the various factions.
Moderator, please step in.
I wanted the moderator to step in because herbgeek asked if I was "combative" to women. I oppose violence against women. When I hear combat, I think of violence. That is the only reason I suggested the moderator step-in and caution this person.Sorry dude. Remember Smokey's sage advice, "Only you can prevent forest fires".
I find interesting the linkage of sexual insults with these various groups. I'm not sure what that says about the various factions.
Huh? The whole raison d'etre of the Involuntarily Celibate crowd is sex--complaining about the lack of it, insulting those who enjoy it, justifying how they deserve it, expressing rape fantasies and worse...Insults are the least of their weapons. All you really need to know is that Rodgers and Alek Minassian are among their heroes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43883052
We could start by not encouraging them in their impotent hatred--by getting rid of our confessed "(white) nationalist" president and the neo-Nazis (Bannon, Gorka, Miller, Spencer) he has given tacit approval and a platform.
What form do you see such a purge taking?
He is married to a white man.
Well, that’s one punished.
What form do you see such a purge taking?
Massive election turnout. We play by the rules.
How do you feel about someone who would say something like this?
"In general, if I am getting onto a plane I would be most concerned about the Muslims. There are stats showing that most hijackings and attempted hijackings in the past 20 years in the US were committed by Muslims."
I can tell you how I would feel and what I would say to such a person. This:
"The vast, vast majority of Muslims are fine. Numerically, you have almost nothing to worry about. And we have solid security procedures that screen everyone too."
How many people have been harmed by white men walking down alleys in the last 20 years in the US? Hint, I suspect it's a wildly higher number than the four airplanes that have been hijacked by muslims in the US during the same time period.
Massive election turnout. We play by the rules.
What office is Mr. Bannon running for?
What office is Mr. Bannon running for?
He's a powerful player behind the scenes; he'll be swept out with other Neo-Nazis. Unless he's indicted. In the meantime, I'm afraid we're stuck with him.
He's a powerful player behind the scenes; he'll be swept out with other Neo-Nazis. Unless he's indicted. In the meantime, I'm afraid we're stuck with him.
Swept out of what? What scene is he playing behind? His erstwhile boss fired him some time ago.
If he neither holds nor works for someone in elected office, how can he be voted out? He’s a private citizen whose influence is limited to people listening to his preposterous views. How do you propose to silence him without using methods a Nazi would approve of?
Huh? The whole raison d'etre of the Involuntarily Celibate crowd is sex--complaining about the lack of it, insulting those who enjoy it, justifying how they deserve it, expressing rape fantasies and worse...Insults are the least of their weapons.
Yes, this is what I find puzzling and sad.
The community of people I exist in is very sex-positive and accepting. The folks in these various groups you mention, and others like them on all parts of the spectrum, I find alien and disturbing.
Swept out of what? What scene is he playing behind? His erstwhile boss fired him some time ago.
If he neither holds nor works for someone in elected office, how can he be voted out? He’s a private citizen whose influence is limited to people listening to his preposterous views. How do you propose to silence him without using methods a Nazi would approve of?
Eventually, his patrons will be out of fashion, and he along with them. Then he can bay at the moon, for all I care.
Eventually, his patrons will be out of fashion, and he along with them. Then he can bay at the moon, for all I care.
What patrons? Is there another conspiracy theory I need to keep track of?
I won’t mind seeing the back of lackwits like Trump or Bannon, but all this talk of some righteous reckoning makes me think there are some others to worry about.
What patrons? Is there another conspiracy theory I need to keep track of?
I won’t mind seeing the back of lackwits like Trump or Bannon, but all this talk of some righteous reckoning makes me think there are some others to worry about.
I'm not aware of any conspiracy. Bannon was "fired," because he talked to Wolff, but he's still in contact with Trump as far as I know, and certainly with Miller, Spencer at al, who all have Trump's ear. Spencer is heavily involved in immigrant issues. They're all despicable.
dado potato
11-1-18, 3:29pm
On 10/31/2018 Don Lemon repeated and clarified his earlier statement.
He cited a 2017 report from the Office of Government Accountability which states the majority of incidents of domestic terrorism 2001-2016 was committed by right-wing extremists.
Lemon also cited a report by The Nation Institute's Investigative Fund, looking at both plots and attacks: 201 domestic terrorist incidents on U. S. soil from January 2008 to the end of 2016. The database shows 115 (57%) cases by "right-wing extremists" … and 63 (31%) by "Islamist extremists". The total death toll on U. S. soil was 169 persons, 79 (47%) killed by right-wing extremists … and 90 (53%) killed by Islamist extremists. The latter number includes the 11/9/2009 killing of 13 persons at Fort Hood by U. S. Army Major Nidal Hasan.
I may have missed something, but I did not see data in either citation about the race of perpetrators. I see that a reporter for HuffPost by the name of David Neiwert said "when it comes to right-wing extremism" attackers "are mostly men" and "almost purely white". I gather that Don Lemon accepts and agrees with this observation. People who object to the construct of race as flawed or over-used might cringe at Neiwert's use of the expression "almost purely white".
48% of the incidents attributed to "Islamist extremists" were sting operations in which the attack was prevented by law enforcement. For example, a youth might be recruited by undercover FBI agents impersonating Islamist extremists to plant a bomb (dummy) in a public place. Sting operations account for 12% of the far-right extremist incidents and 10.5% of the far-left extremist incidents. My interpretation of this data is that there could be 4x more law enforcement effort devoted to Islamist extremists, including paid informants, undercover sting operations, surveillance, etc.
I understand that the U S Government does not label domestic extremist groups as terrorist organizations. If someone, such as Dylan Roof perhaps, is radicalized by one or more of them, he might be convicted of murder and hate crimes and sentenced to death, but not be charged with terrorism. Roof shot nine churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina in 2015.
On the other hand, foreign groups, including those with Islamist extremist ideologies, are readily identified as terrorist organizations by the U. S. Government.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has identified 1,360 Patriot groups and 1,007 hate groups. They maintain an internet "Hate Counter" with which individuals may self-report incidents in which they feel that they have been subjected to hate speech or acts of intimidation. In the 3 months since the election of Donald Trump SPLC counted 1,372 hate incidents.
http://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror
I'm not aware of any conspiracy. Bannon was "fired," because he talked to Wolff, but he's still in contact with Trump as far as I know, and certainly with Miller, Spencer at al, who all have Trump's ear. Spencer is heavily involved in immigrant issues. They're all despicable.
So rid ourselves of Trump, and all will be well? I think Williamsmith was correct in observing that Trump is more symptom than disease. The dark forces on the right (and the left as well, not that they would ever admit it) that brought him to power are still there and potent.
I don’t see our current situation as a struggle between darkness and light. I see it as a struggle between two opposing forms of self-righteous idiocy.
So rid ourselves of Trump, and all will be well? I think Williamsmith was correct in observing that Trump is more symptom than disease. The dark forces on the right (and the left as well, not that they would ever admit it) that brought him to power are still there and potent.
+1
So rid ourselves of Trump, and all will be well? I think Williamsmith was correct in observing that Trump is more symptom than disease. The dark forces on the right (and the left as well, not that they would ever admit it) that brought him to power are still there and potent.
I don’t see our current situation as a struggle between darkness and light. I see it as a struggle between two opposing forms of self-righteous idiocy.
I agree he's a symptom, but he's such a vile caricature that dragging him offstage with a big hook would surely produce a huge sigh of relief from civilized people everywhere.
I agree he's a symptom, but he's such a vile caricature that dragging him offstage with a big hook would surely produce a huge sigh of relief from civilized people everywhere.
A lot of times just treating the symptom provides relief. Then you can address the root cause.
I agree he's a symptom, but he's such a vile caricature that dragging him offstage with a big hook would surely produce a huge sigh of relief from civilized people everywhere.
It is telling to me that this has not yet happened. Our Congress has not been doing its job.
I have been happy with the Attorney General of WA state, and some of his peers, in their attempts to resist some of the sillier things.
It is telling to me that this has not yet happened. Our Congress has not been doing its job.
I have been happy with the Attorney General of WA state, and some of his peers, in their attempts to resist some of the sillier things.
I'm proud in general of the West Coast and their keeping their collective eyes on the ball. Definitely Congress is not doing its job.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 5:00pm
How many people have been harmed by white men walking down alleys in the last 20 years in the US? Hint, I suspect it's a wildly higher number than the four airplanes that have been hijacked by muslims in the US during the same time period.
I think you are missing the point. What do you judge people by? Color of their skin (apparently in some cases, but not others). Their sex (apparently for one sex, but not the other).
Here is another case: In college I had a roommate who, as it turns out, was racist against black people. He thought that black people were naturally more likely to be criminals. Why did he think this? Because of his personal experience. He and his brother, when they were kids, were accosted by a group of black kids. These black kids beat them up and stole their bikes. Then later on he insisted that black males were accused of and convicted of violent crimes more often than whites or Asians. He claimed statistics showed this.
(It should go without saying that he sure as heck was not my roommate for long!).
But my ex-roommate's rationale is based on both personal experience (which Zoe Girl used to justify her prejudice against white men) and stats (which several on this thread have used to justify their prejudice).
So when it is okay to attribute criminal behavior to race or sex or religion based on personal experience and/or stats? And when it is not okay?
(Chances are no one will address this.)
Ultralight
11-1-18, 5:07pm
What office is Mr. Bannon running for?
Dude! She is correct. Bannon is drawing massive crowds at the biggest venues in the country!
Check this out! "Steve Bannon reportedly drew a crowd of 25 people for a speech at a Holiday Inn in Kansas"https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-topeka-kansas-rally-at-holiday-inn-attendees-2018-10
I think you are missing the point. What do you judge people by? Color of their skin (apparently in some cases, but not others). Their sex (apparently for one sex, but not the other).
Here is another case: In college I had a roommate who, as it turns out, was racist against black people. He thought that black people were naturally more likely to be criminals. Why did he think this? Because of his personal experience. He and his brother, when they were kids, were accosted by a group of black kids. These black kids beat them up and stole their bikes. Then later on he insisted that black males were accused of and convicted of violent crimes more often than whites or Asians. He claimed statistics showed this.
(It should go without saying that he sure as heck was not my roommate for long!).
But my ex-roommate's rationale is based on both personal experience (which Zoe Girl used to justify her prejudice against white men) and stats (which several on this thread have used to justify their prejudice).
So when it is okay to attribute criminal behavior to race or sex or religion based on personal experience and/or stats? And when it is not okay?
(Chances are no one will address this.)
Here's an interesting article on how our brain defaults to certain false beliefs. Maybe our default action should be to question all our beliefs, whether they are based on experience, statistics or a Facebook meme.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40528587/why-your-brain-clings-to-false-beliefs-even-when-it-knows-better
This is why I love Thich That Hanh's 2nd Mindfulness Training--Non-Attachment to Views:
Aware of the suffering created by attachment to views and wrong perceptions, we are determined to avoid being narrow-minded and bound to present views. We are committed to learning and practicing non-attachment to views and being open to others’ experiences and insights in order to benefit from the collective wisdom. We are aware that the knowledge we presently possess is not changeless, absolute truth. Insight is revealed through the practice of compassionate listening, deep looking, and letting go of notions rather than through the accumulation of intellectual knowledge. Truth is found in life, and we will observe life within and around us in every moment, ready to learn throughout our lives.
Ultralight
11-1-18, 5:30pm
Here's an interesting article on how our brain defaults to certain false beliefs. Maybe our default action should be to question all our beliefs, whether they are based on experience, statistics or a Facebook meme.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40528587/why-your-brain-clings-to-false-beliefs-even-when-it-knows-better
Cool article! Much to think about (and doubt! haha). Thanks for sharing.
I see an incel is in the news for shooting up a yoga studio.
He was on record for hating nearly everyone who wasn't a white male.
The face of American terrorism.
Ultralight
11-4-18, 11:35am
I see an incel is in the news for shooting up a yoga studio.
He was on record for hating nearly everyone who wasn't a white male.
The face of American terrorism.
Those incels are very disturbed. Horrible god damn tragedy. Just depressing.
When I read about it, I was thinking about something Sam Harris had written about. He wrote something (and I am drawing on memory here) about how ideology can contribute to deranging people. From what I understand, these incels have an ideology and part of it is hating women. Twisted.
Ultralight
11-4-18, 11:47am
I see an incel is in the news for shooting up a yoga studio.
He was on record for hating nearly everyone who wasn't a white male.
The face of American terrorism.
Jane, have you read this article on Incels?
It seems fairly comprehensive. Lots of info.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/us/incel-rebellion-alek-minassian-toronto-attack-trnd/index.html
Jane, have you read this article on Incels?
It seems fairly comprehensive. Lots of info.
I am so puzzled by this:
"Incel" is short for "involuntarily celibate."
It's a movement made up almost entirely of men who claim they "can't have sex despite wanting to," according to incels.me.
It seems to be that celibacy is entirely a choice. These men can have sex anytime they want (and even if they are significantly disabled, there are ways).
What they are whining about is that they can't have sex with a woman (or whoever) when they want. They feel entitled to have access to a woman's body, and the ability to have an orgasm with her, at their convenience. And that level of entitlement is just, well, ill-making.
As a dumpy male-presenting person in my 50s with no particular distinguishing features or "game", it has been made clear to me that opportunities for sexual interaction with other people are not scarce at all. These "incels" need to get off the Internet and out into the real world.
Ultralight, I did a lot of reading on incels in an attempt to understand Elliot Rodgers--still don't, really.
It seems to me that many of them feel entitled to a certain kind of women--sorority women, yoga practitioners, and in the case of the Ecole Polytechnique shooting, the best and the brightest of female students. It seems obvious to me that they should practice being men worthy of love and quit seeing women as prey, but once they start marinating in their hatred, they may be beyond reclamation. We may all be safer if they stay away from the rest of us...
ApatheticNoMore
11-4-18, 2:21pm
they can probably have sex with a woman whenever they want to as well, I mean are they really so far gone that prostitutes refuse their money? (if they are dangerous she should) Might have a somewhat higher STD risk there though I guess.
I don't think the sex prospects are great for everyone but they make too big a deal out of the whole thing and would probably have better luck if they were just seeking casual sex, and don't have a right to anyone's body (and why anyone would want to be with such jerks I don't know either).
they can probably have sex with a woman whenever they want to as well, I mean are they really so far gone that prostitutes refuse their money? (if they are dangerous she should) Might have a somewhat higher STD risk there though I guess.
I engage in health/education outreach efforts to the sexworker community in the PNW area, and my understanding of the statistics is that, in general, sexworkers have a lower rate of STD infection/transmission than the casual dating public. Now, of course, there are different types of sexworkers, and some are at high risk, thus my "in general" weasel-wording.
Now, as to safety/danger from the client, screening of clients is a thing, as is blacklisting. Which may limit the opportunities for service for the incels.
It seems obvious to me that they should practice being men worthy of love and quit seeing women as prey, but once they start marinating in their hatred, they may be beyond reclamation.
I think most anyone is capable of redemption. But it's work.
We may all be safer if they stay away from the rest of us...
Well, at least this way they don't breed, and raise their own children with such toxic attitudes.
Ultralight
11-4-18, 2:41pm
As a dumpy male-presenting person in my 50s with no particular distinguishing features or "game", it has been made clear to me that opportunities for sexual interaction with other people are not scarce at all. These "incels" need to get off the Internet and out into the real world.
This is one of the same issues I take with incels. I wear Hawaiian shirts, jeans, a ball cap, and grubby sneakers. I am overweight, balding, middle-aged, and I have a mustache. My car is a 2012 compact. I don't make much money at all. My sense of humor is at times zany and off-color. I could go on. But you get it.
And last week a former flame of mine called me and told me she moved to Chicago (a quick flight from Columbus). She said: "If you transport yourself here you can stay in my apartment, I will buy your food and pay for whatever events we attend. And we can @#$% as much as we like."
So I agree. Sex is quite accessible, even for the schlubs of the world! haha
Ultralight
11-4-18, 2:42pm
I see an incel is in the news for shooting up a yoga studio.
He was on record for hating nearly everyone who wasn't a white male.
The face of American terrorism.
Jane, why did you post this comment to this thread though?
Jane, why did you post this comment to this thread though?
Because it was a case of terrorism that happened within the last day or two: I brought up incels before it happened, though.
Ultralight
11-4-18, 2:58pm
Because it was a case of terrorism that happened within the last day or two: I brought up incels before it happened, though.
Okay, but you know Elliot Rodgers was not white, right? And neither was Alek Minassian, that crazy incel that killed people in Toronto. Both of them had Autism/Aspergers too, which is probably worth noting.
The guy who shot up the yoga studio was white though.
That is why I am not sure your comment really fits what you have already said on this thread. Or are you now saying that domestic terrorism is a multi-ethic problem?
It seems domestic terrorism is a pale, male problem with a few exceptions.
Ultralight
11-4-18, 3:41pm
It seems domestic terrorism is a pale, male problem with a few exceptions. If this is your observation, what would you suggest be done about it?
Okay, but you know Elliot Rodgers was not white, right? And neither was Alek Minassian, that crazy incel that killed people in Toronto. Both of them had Autism/Aspergers too, which is probably worth noting.
The guy who shot up the yoga studio was white though.
That is why I am not sure your comment really fits what you have already said on this thread. Or are you now saying that domestic terrorism is a multi-ethic problem?
I suspect both men identified as white--they certainly weren't easily identifiable as ethnic minorities. I don't see domestic terrorism as a minority problem. YMMV. I don't remember Rodgers being diagnosed on the spectrum--but given his social awkwardness, it's possible.
Ultralight
11-4-18, 3:53pm
Here is something interesting to ponder too, on this topic.
According to the 2010 census white Americans, excluding Hispanics, totaled 197,285,202 people. This is about 60 percent of the population.
So white, non-hispanic males number 98,642,601, about 30 percent of the total US population.
According to the census bureau there are about 1,500,000 Arab Americans. That is less than 1 percent of the American population. As a ballpark guess that would mean there are about 750,000 Arab American men in the US.
So could the "pale, male" problem actually be one of sheer numbers? There are millions and millions more white males than Arab males. So the total number of those white males that do crazy stuff would be higher than than total number of Arab males that do crazy stuff simply because there are so many more of the white males. Substitute black males or Native American males or Asian American males for Arab in the above questions and you still have a similar premise.
Thoughts?
Ultralight
11-4-18, 4:00pm
I suspect both men identified as white--they certainly weren't easily identifiable as ethnic minorities.
You are taking some real liberties there. And you are not substantiating your claim that they identified as white. How did most people identify them?
Also, when I saw their pictures I knew they were not white. Elliot looks Asian and Alek looks Middle Eastern.
I don't see domestic terrorism as a minority problem.
Okay... that is your opinion. Different people "see" things all sorts of ways.
I don't remember Rodgers being diagnosed on the spectrum--but given his social awkwardness, it's possible.
The first article I pulled up on Google said that. You apparently did not read much on him.
But what really stuns me about your claims above is how they are complete opinion. Yet you believe what you think wholeheartedly and without any doubt. That strikes me as a peculiar kind of narcissism. You said it. So it is completely beyond question. Wow.
I know of an Orange Dude who has that same peculiar kind of narcissism.
I always thought of terrorism as violence with the purpose of frightening people into compliance with a political agenda. Driving the Jewish population out of Israel, for instance, or the British out of Ireland.
Is violence inspired by sexual frustration really terrorism, or just an expression of insanity?
I think the purpose of terrorism is to instill fear in a population you despise or are trying to oppress--like the KKK and their lynchings. Politics can be part of that, or not.
I think the purpose of terrorism is to instill fear in a population you despise or are trying to oppress--like the KKK and their lynchings. Politics can be part of that, or not.
So by that measure, would criminal gangs committing acts of violence to discourage informants or territorial interlopers be considered terrorists?
So by that measure, would criminal gangs committing acts of violence to discourage informants or territorial interlopers be considered terrorists?
I think that's solidly in the camp of criminal enterprise--there's clearly some overlap.
I think that's solidly in the camp of criminal enterprise--there's clearly some overlap.
I guess I’m not seeing why an incel rampage counts as terrorism but a gangland skirmish would not. Neither would seem to be aimed at some purpose of oppression or influence.
Ultralight
11-5-18, 12:58pm
Jane:
Convenient you did not address or even mention my numerical questions above. LMAO!
Typical Jane. Can't even consider new information and weigh in new facts.
Part of being a grown-up is being willing to consider new info and possibly update your previously held beliefs. Are you capable of doing this?
I think the purpose of terrorism is to instill fear in a population you despise or are trying to oppress--like the KKK and their lynchings. Politics can be part of that, or not.
I think that's a really good point, Jane. I think some groups function using social media as a kind of domestic terrorism against women; maybe incel is doing that? It is not political, it is more basic than that, just as Hitler was not "politics." Apartheid is not "politics."
Ultralight
11-5-18, 1:37pm
I always thought of terrorism as violence with the purpose of frightening people into compliance with a political agenda.
I think that Incels, who seem to have a largely collective ideology, attacking women could be considered terrorism. Perhaps they are attacking women to instill fear in other women in an effort to stop these women from being what Incels call "Staceys."
It is really messed up.
Ultralight
11-5-18, 1:50pm
So by that measure, would criminal gangs committing acts of violence to discourage informants or territorial interlopers be considered terrorists?
I could probably get behind this expansion of the definition. They certainly terrorize neighborhoods.
I think that Incels, who seem to have a largely collective ideology, attacking women could be considered terrorism. Perhaps they are attacking women to instill fear in other women in an effort to stop these women from being what Incels call "Staceys."
It is really messed up.
It’s hard for me to envision any campaign of violence that would serve to intimidate women into altering their sexual standards.
If it talks crazy and acts crazy, it’s a pretty safe assumption that it’s crazy.
People seem to be jumping through all kinds of hoops to put the palest possible face on terrorism.
Ultralight
11-5-18, 5:46pm
It’s hard for me to envision any campaign of violence that would serve to intimidate women into altering their sexual standards.
It is hard for me to envision many nations basing their laws on the idea that god spoke through an illiterate guy in the Middle East named Mohamed thousands of years ago and that many of these nations would sponsor violent acts and those that perpetrate them. It is also hard for me to believe that the perps of these acts of violence would believe that their god would reward them for killing themselves and others with 72 virgins. And all this is based on a book that can only truly be read in one language and that repeats itself into oblivion and suggests making people from other religions drink boiling water. But... it happened and it continues to happen. So an Incel ideology of terrorism against "Staceys" and "Chads" does not seem that hard to believe.
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Ultralight
11-5-18, 5:47pm
People seem to be jumping through all kinds of hoops to put the palest possible face on terrorism.
That is how it seems. But did you see my numbers game question above? And I pointed out that two of the 3 Incel attackers were non-white.
gimmethesimplelife
11-7-18, 11:45am
Don Lemon of CNN said: "The biggest terror threat in this country is white men"
Link: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-host-don-lemon-says-white-men-are-biggest-terror-threat-to-americans
It is annoying things like this that make me vote libertarian instead of Democrat.It's going to snow a foot in Phoenix and stick! Seriously, the day has come where I completely agree with you and something you have posted. This is going too far and this is a turn-off in the Democratic Party for yours truly even as a gay man - why I stay with the Dems is that they are the party that has saved lives by expanding Medicaid for the working poor - a demographic that I personally am no longer part of but one that means a great deal to me and one that I can not and will not turn my back on. So I'm a Dem for the long haul until such a day as that I no longer live in the US. But this IS off-putting about the Democratic party, with this I could not agree more. Rob
So I'm a Dem for the long haul until such a day as that I no longer live in the US.
You seem to be saying that in your case being a Democrat is the next best thing to not being an American at all.
gimmethesimplelife
11-7-18, 12:58pm
You seem to be saying that in your case being a Democrat is the next best thing to not being an American at all.LDAHL.....I'm impressed. Stark naked honesty at this level has always impressed me. You are likely right here. I really don't fit into America and as you know by now having read my posts to some degree over time, the Democratic Party is a much better match for me than the GOP while I am here. Right you are. Rob
I don’t think it will catch on as a campaign slogan.
White female terrorists have been under-represented in this population, but one was just released from prison:
"The Oregon woman who shot and wounded a Wichita abortion doctor 25 years ago and firebombed several clinics in three states has been released from federal prison, causing concern among clinic operators who worry her release could spark a new wave of attacks."
Ultralight
11-8-18, 10:06am
White female terrorists have been under-represented in this population, but one was just released from prison:
"The Oregon woman who shot and wounded a Wichita abortion doctor 25 years ago and firebombed several clinics in three states has been released from federal prison, causing concern among clinic operators who worry her release could spark a new wave of attacks."
She probably self-identifies as a white male, right, Jane? LOL
She probably self-identifies as a white male, right, Jane? LOL
I read s 69 year old Dutchman is suing to be a 49 year old Dutchman because he self-identifies that age.
Ultralight
11-8-18, 11:41am
I read s 69 year old Dutchman is suing to be a 49 year old Dutchman because he self-identifies that age. Seems reasonable.
Teacher Terry
11-8-18, 11:52am
I lived in Wichita when that doctor was shot. He was well respected in the community.
happystuff
11-10-18, 2:03pm
I lived in Wichita when that doctor was shot. He was well respected in the community.
I was also living in Wichita then. Very sad and frightening times.
I find it interesting - this notion of killing to stop killing.
LeonardoCandoza
4-1-19, 7:36pm
Hatred is hatred no matter who it is directed towards.
She probably self-identifies as a white male, right, Jane? LOL
Life imitates snark:
Devon Erickson, 18, and Alec McKinney, 16, who was listed on the court docket by the name Maya Elizabeth McKinney but who identifies as male, were both arrested on suspicion of a single count of first-degree murder and 29 counts of attempted murder immediately after Tuesday’s shooting. (the STEM shooters)
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