View Full Version : The California Fires..........
This is just catastrophic. So many people without homes/neighborhoods. Some died being unable to escape.
Is California going to end up being so dry that no one will live there any more? It's sort of like the devastation from hurricanes that happens in the same areas. Why would people rebuild there, when another hurricane has high probability. Will the people in CA rebuild in this same climate?
I heard on the news that today the humidity was in the single digits there. That's almost unbelievable.
What a catastrophe. And then there's Trump, instead of helping in any way, threatening them with loss of Federal funds because they don't manage their forests. What an ass.
Is there anyone on this forum who lives in those areas?
So awful.........
Teacher Terry
11-12-18, 5:31pm
We are about 3 hours away. We have good friends that have lost everything. They won't rebuild. The humidity in this part of the country is very low. They are still working so will probably move to Chico but that only has 50k population so no clue how many people they can absorb. Paradise is a beautiful area.
sweetana3
11-12-18, 6:07pm
We used to visit Paradise every time we went to CA to visit my mom and dad. We had favorite places to stop and check out. It was a pretty place to live in high cost California and there were a lot of retirees. There were few routes in and out and all two lane. I truly believe there will be more fatalities.
mschrisgo2
11-12-18, 9:23pm
I live about 3.5 hours south of Paradise. It’s a horrific situation, Fire is still raging, threatening Oroville today. There has been no measurable rain in the area for 212 days. That’s 7 months! Humidity is always relatively low, but this single digit stuff coupled with the hig winds is just a recipe for more disaster. We had a housing shortage, before last years fires, now add all of this years destruction... just really hard to wrap my head around it, and I live here. We also have a shortage of RVs in California because they have been bought for temporary housing. More RVs have been sold in n California this year than any other year.
Teacher Terry
11-12-18, 10:30pm
We are thinking about selling our RV. If I can get hubby on board will advertise in California.
I cannot imagine the terror of this, the stench and the devastation. Such a beautiful area destroyed and so many lives.
flowerseverywhere
11-13-18, 7:27am
The death count is increasing. Now 42-44 plus structures and forest devastation.
CathyA to answer your original question, why would people rebuild there or in multiple hurricane, tornado or flood areas?
jobs, family, faith that God has a master plan. So many reasons. With rising and warming seas, alterations in rain patterns, diverting normal water flow through dams etc., water lowering the water tables so people can have green lawns, more concrete and asphalt and so on this will not be getting better soon.
We we drove neat the recent Carolina floods. They are clearing the trees out of the medians and digging ditches on route 95 as trees littered this area making it impassable. What little we saw was really a mess. Groups around me just sent a bunch of quilts and food staples, up to the Panhandle where people who lost everything are living in tents. There is no housing available and for those who have nowhere to go, or actually can continue to work, or no money to go somewhere they are making do
sweetana3
11-13-18, 11:25am
There is an hour long video made by someone to help people identify whether their house/business still exists and to help those far away. This fire was so hot and fast, it burned things to the ground. There are a couple of buildings with the metal stairs to the second floor being the only thing remaining. And there are a few surviving properties which could be located right next to lost ones. A devastating fire.
There will be many more casualties from the stories of survivors and their descriptions of neighbors and friends who were often aged or physically unable to get around fast. That and the fire hitting at night and being so fast and hot will cause much greater loss of life.
There are also great stories of heroism and survival.
There are not enough safe relatively natural disaster free places for the world's growing population. Lots of people around the world have to live in undesirable places. Think of poor Bangladesh for instance.
Teacher Terry
11-13-18, 8:33pm
In states without those issues some have winter with snow and ice and people die all winter in car accidents due to the weather, etc. No paradise available.
In states without those issues some have winter with snow and ice and people die all winter in car accidents due to the weather, etc. No paradise available.
I looked at the most recent data on traffic fatality rates per 100 million vehicle miles driven by state. The highest rate at 1.92 is in Puerto Rico which has a warm climate, followed by 1.86 in South Carolina. Mississippi and Kentucky are tied for third at 1.69.
Massachusetts has the lowest fatality rate at .63, followed by Rhode Island at .64, and Minnesota at .66. The District of Columbia is fourth best at .75 and New Jersey is not far behind at .78.
California is 1.07.
ETA: My source is the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Interesting. I wonder if someone has dug deeper to figure out why the numbers by state are what they are. My random guess would be that states that commonly have terrible winter weather also have drivers who are reasonable well educated in how to equip their cars and drive in it. After all, we've all seen the video of GA drivers doing poorly in that once a winter snowstorm that Atlanta seems to get every year. And I'll never forget the time I was in Portland Oregon for work and had to fly back to San Francisco the next morning. I woke up to a light snowstorm and, having grown up in denver, didn't think a thing about it. But then I got in a taxi that got on the freeway. And we drove the whole way to the airport at 5mph or less. Because they don't have snowplows or sand trucks. And then I missed my flight and had to spend 5 hours waiting for the next one...
My other thought is that poorer states probably have more older, poorly maintained cars on the road. But that's just a guess. I would love to learn that the occam's razor answer to the question was wrong.
Teacher Terry
11-13-18, 11:00pm
Y, that is really interesting.
I think Mass is low due in part to congestion. You can't drive fast enough to get killed when you're inching along bumper to bumper in traffic. In all cities the speed limit is 55 as well.
Teacher Terry
11-14-18, 11:11pm
They are thinking that PG&E is responsible for the fire because of their malfunctioning lines. They are also responsible for another California fire.
mschrisgo2
11-15-18, 12:49pm
56 people confirmed dead, 8756 residences destroyed, as of 11/14, 6pm.
Where will all these people go? Not to get political about this but these are people that already live here and not people who want to come here. We need to take care of these people first.
Where will all these people go? Not to get political about this but these are people that already live here and not people who want to come here. We need to take care of these people first.
It's a big, big country. I doubt refugees are requesting housing in Malibu; they can be located anywhere.
It's a big, big country. I doubt refugees are requesting housing in Malibu; they can be located anywhere.I don't think so, not without consequences. For example, I could suggest that refugees from Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador be located in Mexico after being allowed into that country, but I'd get a hard time for it since they obviously have to be located in the US. It would be racist of me to suggest otherwise.
I don't think so, not without consequences. For example, I could suggest that refugees from Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador be located in Mexico after being allowed into that country, but I'd get a hard time for it since they obviously have to be located in the US. It would be racist of me to suggest otherwise.
We've taken in refugees basically forever; we should have a humane process in place to assign housing. Unless, of course, Trump and his storm troopers have changed the rules. Many of them may prefer to seek asylum in Mexico.
Teacher Terry
11-15-18, 5:50pm
The problem Alan is jobs. Mexico doesn't have jobs for it's own people and we have openings for entry level low skilled workers.
The problem Alan is jobs. Mexico doesn't have jobs for it's own people and we have openings for entry level low skilled workers.I don't think economic status is a qualification for refugee status, if that is what they are seeking there are other processes in place to accommodate.
Teacher Terry
11-15-18, 6:44pm
If I was fleeing for my life I would be concerned about how I was going to live and feed my family so yes jobs is a secondary consideration I am sure. Doesn't do much good to flee violence and then starve to death.
I don't think economic status is a qualification for refugee status, if that is what they are seeking there are other processes in place to accommodate.
No, poverty is not sufficient for refugee status. But I don't think that was TT's point. (she can please correct me if I misunderstood her) WHat I got from her post is that if the options are for them to either stay in mexico and be dependent on charity or government assistance for housing and food or, come to the US and with some modest help getting settled, get a job and be self sufficient it might make more sense all the way around for us to be willing to assist them.
Teacher Terry
11-15-18, 9:33pm
Yes JP that’s my point.
ApatheticNoMore
11-15-18, 11:10pm
Who cares if it's a big country, there is already insufficient housing in CA already, and it's burning down. People have jobs and so on already where they are (well not retirees I guess). So people in paradise etc. move to nearby towns but I just hope those towns don't have a rental shortage. They are lifting some restrictions on people living in campers etc. (and they should).
The people headed for the border it seems are looking for jobs, not political refuge, jobs. Or that's the latest I heard (from credible news). I think (although this is my speculation) it's possible they are even misinformed about what life will really be like for them here. Working and living conditions might be quite brutal indeed when your working illegally and thus the employer can do whatever they want to you (there's even slavery going on although it probably won't be quite that bad). Living conditions it goes without saying will be in squalor.
The people headed for the border it seems are looking for jobs, not political refuge, jobs. Or that's the latest I heard (from credible news). I think (although this is my speculation) it's possible they are even misinformed about what life will really be like for them here. Working and living conditions might be quite brutal indeed when your working illegally and thus the employer can do whatever they want to you (there's even slavery going on although it probably won't be quite that bad). Living conditions it goes without saying will be in squalor.
I assume you heard about what these people seeking refuge want before the election. From Trump (err, fox) news. It's telling that trump has STFU about them since election day. I fully expect the soldiers at the border protecting us from these psycho evil people will be sent home with no news about it sometime soon. And these refugees, on the off chance that we actually accept them, won't be working here undocumented if they actually get refugee status. So any stress about how awful their life would be as undocumented people is just conservative fantasy. Stop buying into the pathetic right wing BS about them.
ApatheticNoMore
11-16-18, 12:40am
I assume you heard about what these people seeking refuge want before the election. From Trump (err, fox) news.
I heard it on public radio today, some reporter who had talked with people in the caravan, probably an NPR show, but it's not all syndicated. I don't own a t.v. nor a smartphone so Fox news isn't even all that readily available, I suppose there is a website. It's a credible source more or less though, the news aspect, just not one I tend to read.
Who says the refugees would all stay in California? I think they would fan across the country like Chicanos have.
It's a big, big country. I doubt refugees are requesting housing in Malibu; they can be located anywhere.
Hi Jane. When does it all stop? When our sea-to-shining-sea is like Hong Kong? A lot of my feeling is coming from living out in the country in the midwest, where very close by, small towns have turned into cities. I don't think we have to always live like that.......constantly consuming every inch of land with homes and businesses. And that's not even addressing the state of our education in this country.. And all the poor people we already have. And what about the resources?
We have to think of the health and welfare of those already here before constantly letting in millions of others. And they can be any race from anywhere on this planet. I still think we need to protect those already here.........and appreciate that we can't fill up every inch of land everywhere with people.
catherine
11-16-18, 9:19am
Hi Jane. When does it all stop? When our sea-to-shining-sea is like Hong Kong? A lot of my feeling is coming from living out in the country in the midwest, where very close by, small towns have turned into cities. I don't think we have to always live like that.......constantly consuming every inch of land with homes and businesses. And that's not even addressing the state of our education in this country.. And all the poor people we already have. And what about the resources?
We have to think of the health and welfare of those already here before constantly letting in millions of others. And they can be any race from anywhere on this planet. I still think we need to protect those already here.........and appreciate that we can't fill up every inch of land everywhere with people.
It's interesting, because both my DH and my BIL have been under earners for years (not so much DH, but he has been seeking a "retirement job"). But tell them that QuickChek is accepting applications and they look at me like I've slapped them in the face.
With the population going the way it is, small towns are going to turn into cities. You know I agree with you that this does not bode well for the environment--I grow more and more disheartened by the many ways in which we plunder the earth.. but that's truly not the immigrants' fault. I recall a really good motivational book I read by a college basketball team recruiter who said he was always seeking PhDs. (Poor, hungry and Driven). We are no longer PhDs by his definition. But a ton of Mexicans are.
Illegal immigration has dropped precipitously in the last ten years (Forbes), and legal immigration has been stable. The same article suggests the solution (one I've long proposed) is to increase work availability: "Building a wall while neglecting to add new ways for individuals to work legally at lower-skilled jobs would continue the status quo. It is neither a smart, nor a new approach, to reducing illegal immigration."
Of course more people are moving to cities--that's where the (few) jobs are--but the population has been declining, and will continue to do so. The idea that the Midwest is going to look like Hong Kong is ridiculous, unless people are lured from elsewhere in the country by housing bargains.
If you want an old, tired, stagnant country, just clamp down hard on immigration and let other countries benefit from our shortsightedness.
ApatheticNoMore
11-16-18, 10:44am
It's interesting, because both my DH and my BIL have been under earners for years (not so much DH, but he has been seeking a "retirement job"). But tell them that QuickChek is accepting applications and they look at me like I've slapped them in the face.
probably the only reason they would be able to support themselves on QuickChek is that you pay a lot of their bills. And we wonder why everyone isn't rushing to sign up for a life of dependency on others but actually want a job that allows them to support themselves. Yes fast food does have help wanted signs. Everything else, I mean $15 an hour office jobs even not to mention anything actually good, the competition seems fierce, meanwhile you can't live on a fast food paycheck.
Teacher Terry
11-16-18, 1:53pm
People die all the time and our birth rate is low. We need replacements that will do low unskilled work. Tons of empty space in many states. There is no reason we can’t take in more refugees. Some places like Kansas are extremely cheap to live and rent is low. I know someone in Wichita makes 9/hour and has a nice apartment for 400 month. Doesn’t own a car. He is doing fine.
People die all the time and our birth rate is low. We need replacements that will do low unskilled work. Tons of empty space in many states. There is no reason we can’t take in more refugees. Some places like Kansas are extremely cheap to live and rent is low. I know someone in Wichita makes 9/hour and has a nice apartment for 400 month. Doesn’t own a car. He is doing fine.
This seems so glaringly obvious to me that I can't see why people insist on arguing about it. And those immigrants taking the odious and back-breaking jobs that no one else wants will pay taxes and raise children that--if history is any guide--will go on to be better educated than their parents and may even start a Fortune 500 company. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2017/12/04/almost-half-of-fortune-500-companies-were-founded-by-american-immigrants-or-their-children/
From the intro to the article: Economists disagree about a lot of things, but two areas—the importance of entrepreneurship to economic growth and job creation, and the outsized role that immigrants play in founding American companies—have reached broad consensus. And yet, immigration policy remains stalled at a time when the rate of business formation is near four decade lows—presenting a major disconnect between economic and political realities.
Now that the president has come up with a solution to the wildfires it seems like we should be welcoming the caravan with open arms. And a giant truck full of rakes...
People die all the time and our birth rate is low. We need replacements that will do low unskilled work. Tons of empty space in many states. There is no reason we can’t take in more refugees. Some places like Kansas are extremely cheap to live and rent is low. I know someone in Wichita makes 9/hour and has a nice apartment for 400 month. Doesn’t own a car. He is doing fine.
"Tons of empty space" ....What's wrong with empty space? What's wrong with leaving some of this country to nature and other species? Why do we have to fill it with people and commerce?
I'm sort of surprised to be hearing from some of you about the importance of keeping up our population so that commerce can keep growing? That concept seems to go against simple living. I know it does for me.
I wonder if some of you who talk about all the space we have, already live in the city or suburbs and aren't aware of the unbelievable (essentially out-of-control) growth that is happening all over this country?
ApatheticNoMore
11-18-18, 11:49am
So my bf goes to city meetings and advocates for more housing. I have some skepticism, and it's one others voice there, that more housing will just lead to more people moving here (which of course is a problem as most manmade resources are stretched to the breaking point as well - roads, schools etc. - already not enough). Plus I think housing development needs to be limited first with strict rules like absolutely no developing natural areas that aren't developed. Don't build in the foothills where there is forest fire risk as well, but I don't think anyone much advocates that, they just don't stand up the developers and ban it. But it seems there isn't enough housing for everyone at present so, and if you don't develop you go with density. But I wonder if even density works after a certain point, probably best would be medium density and elimination of single family housing, but that's purely utopian and not likely to happen.
And yes saying we need population growth is crazy. It's people who only have one or two kids (if they have kids) that are doing the responsible thing of course.
So my bf goes to city meetings and advocates for more housing. I have some skepticism, and it's one others voice there, that more housing will just lead to more people moving here (which of course is a problem as most manmade resources are stretched to the breaking point as well - roads, schools etc. - already not enough). Plus I think housing development needs to be limited first with strict rules like absolutely no developing natural areas that aren't developed. Don't build in the foothills where there is forest fire risk as well, but I don't think anyone much advocates that, they just don't stand up the developers and ban it. But it seems there isn't enough housing for everyone at present so, and if you don't develop you go with density. But I wonder if even density works after a certain point, probably best would be medium density and elimination of single family housing, but that's purely utopian and not likely to happen.
And yes saying we need population growth is crazy. It's people who only have one or two kids (if they have kids) that are doing the responsible thing of course.
I agree ApatheticNoMore! But time and time again, it seems that the money-makers create a need and then everything happens for their pockets. Let's face it.......we're a spoiled nation, used to having everything all the time. It's rare when more than a handful of citizens stand up to development, which never seems to be enough to stop it.
I have to say, about 8 years ago, out here in the rural area, a company wanted to build a "back-up grid" of some sort, in case the main whatever was taken out (by terrorists, etc.). They had a discussion with the people in our area, and I was proud of us. It didn't happen. It would have made the area more of a target, plus ruin the night sky, etc. But that's the only time I can ever think of where our voices mattered, over some company feeding us a line of B.S. how how good it would be for us. It has to start with citizens not being spoiled and short-sighted.
I know this has gotten off topic from the California fires and immigration.......but our nation is a fabric and there are so many different threads to consider, since each thread contributes to the quality and stability of the whole fabric.
Personally i live in a part of the country where a lot of people don’t seem to understand supply and demand, at least as it relates to housing. A lot of people, both wealthy and not wealthy, seem to think that the high cost of housing isn’t tied to the fact that we have had far more people move to the area in the last several decades than the amount of housing that has been built. To be fair, i suppose a lot of that lack of basic knowledge is people not wanting change.
Gardenarian
11-19-18, 1:58pm
The fires are horrific; here in Southern Oregon we're getting quite a few refugees.
I think the U.S. could easily absorb more immigrants and refugees.
In my town the problem is that the houses are mostly post-war, built for larger families. Population is actually decreasing (in my city) but their aren't many of the small apartments that people need. Zoning was just altered to allow people to build rental cottages on their property, but that will take time.
Teacher Terry
11-19-18, 2:44pm
Some people have come here to get away from the smoke. The casinos are giving them a discounted price. We are growing and lack affordable housing. We have a shortage of houses and apartments. They are building now but it will take time to get caught up.
I'm getting concerned about all the lung disease that will come out of this. Have you seen pics of San Francisco? Supposedly, the whole area has the worst air quality in the world because of the fires. :(
Teacher Terry
11-19-18, 3:45pm
Usually the smoke heads our way but thankfully not this time. I have asthma so when we have bad air I have to stay home.
dado potato
11-19-18, 3:57pm
As of this morning, 11,700 homes destroyed, 77 dead, and 991 missing.
(update of the 11/14/2018 numbers posted above in this thread).
sfgate published some stunning photos. http://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/Most-stunning-photographs-from-inside-the-Camp-13399172.php#photo16503022
I'm getting concerned about all the lung disease that will come out of this. Have you seen pics of San Francisco? Supposedly, the whole area has the worst air quality in the world because of the fires. :(
The view from my office friday.
Old saying: You can't fight city hall.
New saying: You can't see city hall. (it's about 6 blocks away, between the two tall buildings.)
Sorry the pic is sideways. The forum software has a feature that always thinks I'm taking pictures in landscape mode.
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sweetana3
11-19-18, 5:31pm
There are two groups going thru Paradise and the other localities and filming their whole drive to help people identify whether their properties might be standing. they posted on Youtube. Really a beneficial service for those who are displaced. Very sad to see the wholesale destruction and the strange incidents of one property standing while the whole area around them is burned to ash. Paradise Academy had fire come right up to the building and burn some stuff in the basement under the gym but the whole building was still there. The church next door and the buildings on the other side were burned to the ground.
One big antique shop was standing in downtown Paradise and all around it and across the street were gone. I remember walking those sidewalks.
Note: very very sad to see the forensic people out working over an area. They are easy to identify with their white coveralls and hoods.
I've seen pics of total destruction......yet trees still have their leaves/needles on them. How does that happen?
jp1.......It seems like there will be smoke damage everywhere, in most people's homes who have air circulating in them, and business, etc. And what about the trees with leaves on them? They will probably "suffocate"? How long has it looked this way for you there?
The whole thing is so hard to even wrap my head around. Will people even have any worth to their property now? I mean just their lots.
And who would want to rebuild when the weather might always be this way now?
Just unbelievable.
It was only crazy bad here the one day. The pollution level was 385 friday. Right now it’s 170. Hopefully the forecast rain this week does happen. (Although not so much as to cause mud slides on land with no more vegetation...)
I can’t speak of Paradise, i assume some people will come back and others won’t, just like New Orleans after Katrina. But we were in Healdsburg, near Santa Rosa a few weeks ago. The listings hanging in the window of a real estate agency had several vacant lots listed, noting the amount of prep that would need to be done prior to building (after last year’s napa/sonoma fires). I expect that within a couple of years there will be no obvious signs that great big chunks of suburban santa rosa were totally destroyed.
It IS possible to build much more fire resistant than we gnenerally do currently. Whether CA building codes will be changed to address wildfire the way they have for earthquakes is anyone’s guess.
It IS possible to build much more fire resistant than we gnenerally do currently. Whether CA building codes will be changed to address wildfire the way they have for earthquakes is anyone’s guess.
Here's your gold standard:
https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Wildfire/Firewise-USA
I live in a community that is generally on the list of the top-threatened neighborhoods in the state. The key appears to be not so much a building code/construction issue, but one of creating a defensible space around your house. And maintaining that space, and your home, in a state that doesn't allow embers landing to cause trouble.
If you look at some of the classic neighborhoods-destroyed-by-wildfire scenes of the past, you'll often see circles of burned out homes, with surviving trees all around. The trees didn't go up in the fire, the homes did. And worse yet, often burning homes are an ignition source for other homes in the neighborhood.
Teacher Terry
11-19-18, 7:48pm
Here they have told people to remove a certain bush around their homes because it burns quickly. We did that but most people haven’t.
My brother has a house in a high mountain resort community and the HOA board recently hired a fire mitigation specialist. They have to remove a lot of trees/brush and all building materials have to be fire-resistant. Some have wood shake roofs which will have to be replaced. It is now a chancy thing to live in and around a forested area.
It is now a chancy thing to live in and around a forested area.
It always has been. People just forget. Or engage (and I'm not channeling Trump) in poor forest management practices (certain types of fire suppression) that result in huge buildups of ground-level ladder fuels, then you get huge fires instead of nice healthy fires.
My community was certainly the victim of well-intentioned fire suppression efforts, and we've spent lots of money and time and our own labor over the past 10 years removing those fuels, which is a monumental effort.
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/fire-and-rain/
This was an interesting podcast on the topic which I listened to a while back. At some point the insurance companies will start demanding the fire resistant building methods like bae's link above mentions. Or else they will simply say "no more." and then it will be up to the government to decide if they are going to start offering subsidized fire insurance like they do flood insurance.
I think many of the insurance companies already use a fire danger rating system, and price the policies accordingly.
I know the insurers in my region do. One of the reasons our community funds such a nice fire department is that it gets us down a couple of levels on the danger scale, and it saves the community as a whole a lot more money in insurance payments than the fire department costs to operate. They come out and test us too - response times, how much water we can flow for how long without interruption, and so on.
My mega corp insurance company employer must not. We have not written an underwriting profit on property insurance since before I started working for them ten years ago. It's entirely possible that this failure of profit is because of hurricanes on the east coast. I'm not sure. But even averaging out things across the whole world we're losing money.
At some point soon we'll be cutting our losses. Across all lines of business we've started pushing things towards profitability. Aggressively. With tens of thousands of buildings getting fried by the Camp fire I assume that process will move forward at lightning speed.
Interesting to read the precautions that can be taken. Thanks.
Here ya go jp1.
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And the same view after the rain has cleared the air. City hall is the domed building midway towards the hill.
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I wonder if it’s going to get to the point, depending on location, for insurance people to come out and look at a house in a fire-risk area, to see what the owners have done with landscaping, removing trees a certain distance from house, etc., before issuing a policy.
Or is this already done? Maybe Bae would know.
My agent told me we were getting a discount for being in a Firewise-recognized community.
For this to work well, it helps if it is a community effort.
mschrisgo2
12-1-18, 6:14pm
Actually, in many place they don't even need to come out, but look instead at your property on Google maps, where they can get a really good view of the property in relation to its surroundings.
dado potato
9-17-21, 6:44pm
National Park Service wrapped the General Sherman (world's largest tree) in Sequoia National Park with aluminum blankets at the base of the trunk.
Well, northern california wildfire season has ended rather dramatically. In the past week our rain gauge shows 10 inches. It's been raining solidly for the past 24 hours. Another 1-2 inches is expected before it ends overnight. October is the start of rain season. Where we are a typical total for the month is 1.5 inches.
Yikes! Any flooding in your area?
Not in our immediate area. In general the ground is so dry from two fairly dry winters that it will just absorb a lot of it, especially relatively level areas. The areas most at risk are the places where there have been fires over the past few years. Apparently the fires leave behind ground that is not much more porous than concrete so there's risk of mud and debris flows. Also some of the smaller creeks up in Sonoma county will probably flood because they don't have a whole lot of room for the runoff from massive storms like this so they tend to overflow their banks.
happystuff
10-24-21, 9:04pm
Family in CA say the rains are supposed to hit them tomorrow. Friends in northern CA are getting slammed. Friends are pretty much off-grid and the rain is filling their water tanks, but they are near some fire areas and can't work due to the mud, etc.
The overall model of climate change prediction is very complicated and it has a lot of missing data (because of the lack of specific satellites coverage and on-earth probes).
Even the weather forecast is impossible to be reliable for more than one week in advance due to many uncertainties: air turbulence, solar activities are a couple of key ones.
This year scientific-engineering groups have launched more data collection probes to oceans. There is a planned launch of satellites aimed for data CO2 3D atmospheric data collection, simply we don’t have the full understanding of it’s behaviour and exact influence.
Fires, floods and extremely hot weather this year is a fact.
Environmental awareness not only shows growth in the media, but also takes its steps.
Local ecosystems need specific surveillance.
Read more (https://www.skyrora.com/blog/tag/uk-satellites) for satellites together with on-earth missions doing the job collecting enormous data volumes for the Globe and local ecosystems.
This is the case of ‘the more the better’, when it comes to the complex math models giving leverages for climate control. Driving force for the largest industries and everyday personal life.
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