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gimmethesimplelife
12-30-18, 4:51pm
will the US/Mexico border be closed?
I realize that most posters here don't live in a border state and that I am likely the only poster here from my infamous zip code. Granted. Here in Arizona and even more so in my zip code, this issue is A VERY BIG DEAL. Moreso even than that schmuck judge in Texas striking down the ACA. What do you think will happen here? It seems to be a perfect storm with neither side willing to blink and who knows how many American lives hanging in the balance should be border in fact be sealed due to the thousands and thousands of Americans forced to flee to Mexico for health care due to affordability issues in the United States slash America could care less if you live or die as your life is not worth socialized medicine here.
I don't know what's going to happen but I am afraid, very afraid, and I don't see this ending well for everyday people. But enough about what I think.....I posted this to find out what others think about this issue.......Rob
I think every country has the right to secure their borders in order to control who enters. The Democrats in Congress thought so too as recently as two years ago but had to change their mind in order to 'resist'. They've authorized more money to build sound dampening walls between federal highways and residential areas than they're willing to spend on a secure border. Politics is a funny business, I'd not spend too much time worrying about it if I were you.
I think its unlikely the border will really be closed- I think its an idle threat.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/28/trump-threatens-shut-down-border-entirely-heres-why-he-cant-do-that/?utm_term=.78c8fb8ad7f4
I don't see it happening. I don't think it is even legally possible for Trump to do so.
And I live right on the US border. In the 98245.
Teacher Terry
12-30-18, 6:41pm
It isn’t going to happen.
iris lilies
12-30-18, 8:18pm
The ACA “strikedown” is a non event.
SteveinMN
12-30-18, 8:21pm
Why is this topic in this forum?
Why is this topic in this forum?
Crossing the border for health care is a religious issue for some folks.
gimmethesimplelife
12-30-18, 8:52pm
Why is this topic in this forum?Fair question, Steve in MN. I goofed and picked the wrong forum to post this topic in - if Alan is around, could you please move this thread to Simple Politics? Sorry for the error......burnt out on a lot of overtime and catching up with my life during the lull I have until around January 12th. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
12-30-18, 8:53pm
Crossing the border for health care is a religious issue for some folks.Indeed to some of us in the 85006 crossing the border for health care does equate with religion (in a way). Regardless, Bae, if interested please read my above explanation and note that I have asked Alan to move this thread to Simple Politics. This really was just an error on my part. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
12-30-18, 8:57pm
The ACA “strikedown” is a non event.No snark here, IL....I'm just trying to understand. Kicking hundreds of thousands of working poor off Expanded Medicaid and terminating ACA plans for those who don't qualify for Expanded Medicaid, such as for self employed folks....how do you see such as a non-event? Were immigrating to another country easier, this issue would be enough to have Americans fleeing to Washington DC to try their luck at residency in a country where human life is actually worth socialized medicine. I - and those many people I know in the neighborhood and in the 85006 - believe this is a HUGE issue and it's not going anywhere.........Rob
gimmethesimplelife
12-30-18, 8:58pm
It isn’t going to happen.TT, I hope with all my heart you are right. Rob
I think the wall is a political non-starter. The Republicans are worried that it won't work and the Democrats are afraid that it will.
Teacher Terry
12-31-18, 12:28am
We need Medicare for all. I am so sick of the fact that if you don’t have money you won’t get a transplant or cancer treatment.
iris lilies
12-31-18, 1:35am
No snark here, IL....I'm just trying to understand. Kicking hundreds of thousands of working poor off Expanded Medicaid and terminating ACA plans for those who don't qualify for Expanded Medicaid, such as for self employed folks....how do you see such as a non-event? Were immigrating to another country easier, this issue would be enough to have Americans fleeing to Washington DC to try their luck at residency in a country where human life is actually worth socialized medicine. I - and those many people I know in the neighborhood and in the 85006 - believe this is a HUGE issue and it's not going anywhere.........Rob
Sigh.
The ACA has not been struckdown, closed, over turned, nullified, whatever you want to call it.
But I doubt I will be engaging further with you on this topic.
Williamsmith
12-31-18, 3:09am
The Wall ...is a symbol for Nationalists, an icon for a cause, logistically, economically, legally, and culturally an illusion. Just like Mexico paying for it.
https://youtu.be/D1l_l_dP99Y
gimmethesimplelife
12-31-18, 8:48am
No snark here, IL....I'm just trying to understand. Kicking hundreds of thousands of working poor off Expanded Medicaid and terminating ACA plans for those who don't qualify for Expanded Medicaid, such as for self employed folks....how do you see such as a non-event? Were immigrating to another country easier, this issue would be enough to have Americans fleeing to Washington DC to try their luck at residency in a country where human life is actually worth socialized medicine. I - and those many people I know in the neighborhood and in the 85006 - believe this is a HUGE issue and it's not going anywhere.........RobCame back to make my post more clear - the thing about going to Washington DC? This is where foreign countries have their embassies to the US - hence the idea to go there to try to residency elsewhere due to the ACA falling apart. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
12-31-18, 8:52am
Sigh.
The ACA has not been struckdown, closed, over turned, nullified, whatever you want to call it.
But I doubt I will be engaging further with you on this topic.I've often believed one way to cover everyone in America with some type of health care? Have enough people who are secure with their current coverage suddenly lose it out of nowhere - but to have this happen to millions of people on the same day with all these fairly secure people learning the truth about America.......Maybe not revolution would then transpire but America would never be the same again with that many more people suddenly woken up to the truth about America. And I could truly see this happening in my lifetime - for a reference point, I'm fifty two years old. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
12-31-18, 8:59am
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We need Medicare for all. I am so sick of the fact that if you don’t have money you won’t get a transplant or cancer treatment.Should I ever have the misfortune of a cancer diagnosis, I would leave the US For healthcare in a heartbeat. Literally without thinking twice. I already have money saved for such an event.....maybe not for full cancer treatment elsewhere but fleeing money and extra for the beginnings of treatment. 7 percent of what I am able to save goes to a separate savings account for this purpose.....and I have a fairly secure job at the moment with for America, not too shabby of an insurance plan. The only problem is I know the dark side of America and can and will never trust this country. Hence such a savings account.
Getting to your post, TT, I could not agree with you more. We truly need Medicare for all - or we need to as a nation publicly admit to the world and to all our citizens that America does not work well for all it's citizens and we need to set up some sort of program/scheme where we have socialized procedures at a much lower cost to the US government outside of this country. America will never admit this, our citizens lives are not worth this in America........but at least more people are waking up to what the two of us are posting about due to employer subsidized healthcare being slowly phased out year after year. Rob
So Robs America is a terrible place, yet we have millions that are here illegally, and thousands more are trying to enter. Don’t they read Robs post?
The 85006 needs to head down to the border and warn those that are trying to enter, the true fact of the America that Rob knows. They can have rallies in Mexico and distribute this info and save all those a lot of trouble and expense.
Or is Rob worried that the border wall, fence, or whatever it’s called is to keep him in?
5Should I ever have the misfortune of a cancer diagnosis, I would leave the US For healthcare in a heartbeat. Literally without thinking twice. I already have money saved for such an event.....maybe not for full cancer treatment elsewhere but fleeing money and extra for the beginnings of treatment. 7 percent of what I am able to save goes to a separate savings account for this purpose.....and I have a fairly secure job at the moment with for America, not too shabby of an insurance plan. The only problem is I know the dark side of America and can and will never trust this country. Hence such a savings account.
Getting to your post, TT, I could not agree with you more. We truly need Medicare for all - or we need to as a nation publicly admit to the world and to all our citizens that America does not work well for all it's citizens and we need to set up some sort of program/scheme where we have socialized procedures at a much lower cost to the US government outside of this country. America will never admit this, our citizens lives are not worth this in America........but at least more people are waking up to what the two of us are posting about due to employer subsidized healthcare being slowly phased out year after year. Rob
Im curious on which country’s you have lined up for your life saving cancer treatments? How much would you need? Why bother going unless you have enough for the full treatment? Do other country’s pay for non citizens cancer treatments?
Since you have insurance now, what are you afraid of?
And again, why are you still here?
Teacher Terry
12-31-18, 2:59pm
If my DIL had been living in Poland when she got her huge brain tumor she would have died. They don’t have the skill to do the surgery.
Miss Cellaneous
12-31-18, 5:40pm
Like bae, I live in a border state, but no one is trying to build a wall between Canada and New Hampshire.
I think we need a strong border. I'm not convinced that a wall across the entire southern boundary of the US is the way to achieve that.
There are places where a wall/fence/slats make sense. And there are places where it doesn't.
There are a number of US citizens who own land on the border who would have their access to their own land cut off or made difficult by the type of wall that the president wants. I think their rights to, you know, use their own land need to be taken into consideration. Other landowners will have their lands taken over by the government. I think their voices ought to be heard as well.
We have laws on the books that aren't fully enforced. Maybe we should look into that.
We have tons of new technology that might be used to help secure the border. Maybe we should look into that. We have technologies that might help stem the flow of drugs--most of which come through border points of entry, not over the miles of wilderness where the wall would be built. Maybe we should look into that.
Solid walls will affect the migration of many animals. That needs to be taken into consideration as well.
But one of the best ways to "secure" the border would be to help the countries these people are trying to escape from, so that they do not see the need to leave their homes and make a dangerous journey. But current policies seem to be about cutting aid to these countries.
I think the current mess will end with a token amount of money authorized for a bit more wall. But the solution to the problem is not just building a wall, but a more nuanced look at the problem and *all* the possible solutions.
Teacher Terry
12-31-18, 5:47pm
A wall is a stupid waste of money! Most drugs come over the border in cars.
+1, Miss Cellaneous.
Americans don't like to acknowledge our country's role in the disruption of Central and South American countries because of our insatiable appetite for their drugs. And finally, we don't like to admit that our interference in their country's internal politics has also played a role in those countries which led to their current state.
Interesting factoid: To date, the small country of Jordan has accepted about 1.4 million Syrian refugees. The U.S. has accepted about 18,000.
My wish is for leaders to start with the facts and make policy from there, but I'm afraid whipping people into a frenzy about the brown horde is just too convenient.
Besides the never-happening wall being a silly waste of money that won't accomplish anything I find it ironic that trump is all foaming at the mouth over undocumented immigrants when management at his NJ country club helped workers obtain fake documents to be able to work there. I imagine over the coming months we'll learn that trump himself was aware of, and approved, these activities.
I realize trump would just call this fake news if someone on fox "news" read it to him, but I don't think Nancy has anything to worry about by standing strong on this. She's got solid backing from the voters. And once the new congress starts sending reasonable spending bills to the senate that either die there or get vetoed by the president he's only going to look weaker and weaker and more like the lousy negotiator that he actually is.
https://americasvoice.org/press_releases/reuters-ipsos-poll-president-trumps-border-wall-shutdown-supported-by-only-25-of-americans/
Does he even realize how sad and pathetic he looks? Someone with such extravagantly fake hair should not surround himself with so many pointless bald guys. I realize that 30% of the voters will proudly follow him off the cliff but that’s not enough to either accomplish anything in the next two years or get re-elected. That wall is getting further and further away from the grasp of his tiny tiny hands. It would be sad but for the fact that he inspires approximately zero empathy from anyone who actually is capable of exhibiting empathy.
I suppose the wall has become old news now, but has resurfaced lately. I have admired the versatility of the sawzall around the home. You can get a variety of blades for everything from pruning smaller branches, cutting out old dry wall, and even trimming metal gutter spouts. Word is that Donald's new wall has something like 75 miles completed, but unfortunately smugglers have found that they can saw through the new wall to make people sized openings with reciprocating saws costing less than $100.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/smugglers-are-sawing-through-new-sections-of-trumps-border-wall/2019/11/01/25bf8ce0-fa72-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
frugal-one
11-3-19, 9:11pm
I suppose the wall has become old news now, but has resurfaced lately. I have admired the versatility of the sawzall around the home. You can get a variety of blades for everything from pruning smaller branches, cutting out old dry wall, and even trimming metal gutter spouts. Word is that Donald's new wall has something like 75 miles completed, but unfortunately smugglers have found that they can saw through the new wall to make people sized openings with reciprocating saws costing less than $100.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/smugglers-are-sawing-through-new-sections-of-trumps-border-wall/2019/11/01/25bf8ce0-fa72-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html
YEAH, we really need a wall... NOT!
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