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flowerseverywhere
2-14-19, 5:44pm
Hooray, national emergency will be declared. Tens of thousands of gun related deaths should qualify as an emergency. Maybe the national guard can be deployed to go door to door and confiscate guns.
Health insurance- 28 million uninsured seems like an emergency to me.
Lets get a Democrat president in the White House so some real emergencies can be addressed.
and by the way, I am all for border security and strengthening and revising and enforcing our immigration laws, Just not a monument to Trump, a big beautiful concrete wall sea to sea that he promised his base at rallies, stealing tribal and private citizen land for, that he promised Mexico would pay for.
As W once said ‘this job would be a lot easier if i was a dictator.’ It’s a shame mitch mcconnell hates the constitution and voiced his support for this fake emergency. I suppose it’s a good thing that we keep getting it out in the open how much the republicans hate america and don’t actually care about the things they’ve long claimed to care about. I just hope they dont succeed in destroying my country before we can elect some more adults in 2020.
I was surprised to learn that 58 States of Emergency have been declared since 1979, of which 31 are still in effect.
For what? Natural disasters?
For what? Natural disasters?
Nothing for that. Mostly national security issues and blocking trade with various bad actors.
I was surprised to learn that 58 States of Emergency have been declared since 1979, of which 31 are still in effect.
I see that Bill Clinton declared 17 and Barack Obama declared 12.
I wonder why they hated America so much?
frugal-one
2-14-19, 9:08pm
Can't wait until Trump is gone!!!!!
Personally, I think inviting a hostile government to meddle in our elections and take over our social media is a real emergency. McConnell et al have lost all credibility to let this happen with their blessing.
I'm impressed with Trump's ability to piss off liberals. He's got George W. Bush beat by a mile, and that's saying something.
flowerseverywhere
2-14-19, 10:13pm
I'm impressed with Trump's ability to piss off liberals. He's got George W. Bush beat by a mile, and that's saying something.
why did it not become an emergency now after two years in office? Why wasn’t this handled with a majority in the house and senate?
is it not the job of congress to appropriate funds to be spent and how they are spent?
I find all of this so confusing. Even republicans are saying it is a poor idea.
why did it not become an emergency now after two years in office? Why wasn’t this handled with a majority in the house and senate?
is it not the job of congress to appropriate funds to be spent and how they are spent?
I find all of this so confusing. Even republicans are saying it is a poor idea.
As far as I can tell, it's a matter of semantics. The Democrats were all in favor of 700 miles of fencing and technology upgrades during the end stages of the Bush administration and yet for some reason it wasn't completed during the Obama era. Now, trying to get it back on track and calling it a wall has got the same Democrats up in arms about the possibility that Trump may fulfill a campaign promise and a self-serving media is keeping the short attention span folks up in arms about all those poor unfortunates who simply must enter the country illegally because we're all such racists (that's really good for ratings ya know).
I think it's a bad idea to declare a national emergency to accomplish the goal, but if the political landscape accepts the Democrats efforts to dis-approve what they've previously approved, the same landscape will allow the President a little leeway in accomplishing it.
It would be curious to look at a variety of theings regarding oreviously declared ‘national emergencies’. (And for the record i think it’s appalling the numver of ‘national emergencies’ that are still officially ‘national emergencies’. And think that we need to update our laws to change this).
For instance, how many previous national emergencies were not considered to be real emergencies by the oresident’s opposing party. Or even more important, how many national emergencies involved congress abrogating it’s responsibility to decide how the government should spend money.
I suppose the republicans can decide to get themselves behind this but just as the dems are surely sorry that they made the short-term decision to change the fikibuster rules to get some judges appointed, so too will the republicans rue their decision to get behind fake national emergencies. And, sadly, our whole nation will suffer the consequences.
Baldilocks
2-15-19, 6:31am
Democrat and Republican are just two different sides of the same coin. When the devil tempted Jesus, he offered him all the Kingdoms of the world if he would bow down and worship him. I wonder how he could offer something if it wasn't his. Democrat and Republican
flowerseverywhere
2-15-19, 7:09am
Alan, I still don’t understand why it is a national emergency now and it wasn’t three months ago. I agree with everyone it’s all fun and games on both sides, but what about the vast majority of us in the middle who saw Obama, Clinton’s, Bush’s faults as well, and just want what is best for the country?
I guess with Trump I find it very hard to trust him as we see so many of his very fine people caught up in webs of lies. They seem to be the super rich and/or who live by a separate set of rules. In my heart I am for making sure borders are safe and even some walls/ fencing where experts say it is needed. We do need to revise some of our immigration laws for sure. however this monument to Trump that he said Mexico would pay for and the exaggeration, lies and bullying make it very difficult for me to think makes any sense at all
and where is that replacement for Obamacare we heard about for nine years? And shoring up our infrastructure? And crises that are being swept under the rug, I guess it’s the premise that if you don’t talk about them they will go away. Like our looming water crisis? The Colorado River has been dammed and diverted almost to extinction for instance. So that is one of the biggest problems I have. Focusing everything on one subject and pitting Americans against each other instead of the bigger picture of what is really best for the citizens of the US, not for a very narcissistic leader.
gimmethesimplelife
2-15-19, 11:31am
Can't wait until Trump is gone!!!!!You and me both. This just gets worse day by day. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
2-15-19, 11:44am
Alan, I still don’t understand why it is a national emergency now and it wasn’t three months ago. I agree with everyone it’s all fun and games on both sides, but what about the vast majority of us in the middle who saw Obama, Clinton’s, Bush’s faults as well, and just want what is best for the country?
I guess with Trump I find it very hard to trust him as we see so many of his very fine people caught up in webs of lies. They seem to be the super rich and/or who live by a separate set of rules. In my heart I am for making sure borders are safe and even some walls/ fencing where experts say it is needed. We do need to revise some of our immigration laws for sure. however this monument to Trump that he said Mexico would pay for and the exaggeration, lies and bullying make it very difficult for me to think makes any sense at all
and where is that replacement for Obamacare we heard about for nine years? And shoring up our infrastructure? And crises that are being swept under the rug, I guess it’s the premise that if you don’t talk about them they will go away. Like our looming water crisis? The Colorado River has been dammed and diverted almost to extinction for instance. So that is one of the biggest problems I have. Focusing everything on one subject and pitting Americans against each other instead of the bigger picture of what is really best for the citizens of the US, not for a very narcissistic leader.I could not agree with your post more, Flowerseverywhere. Rob
ApatheticNoMore
2-15-19, 11:55am
I think climate change, ecosystem collapse, ocean acidification, the 6th great extinction, and insect die off might be natural emergencies. Oh well what do I know ...
I favor immigration restrictions too, just in the scheme of things, and how ridiculous Trump's solution is (why not enforce it against employers?)... please.
Teacher Terry
2-15-19, 11:59am
Flowers, I totally agree. His speech is on now and it’s a combination of lies and non-sensical repeated words. It’s painful to listen too and embarrassing as well for our country. The rest of the world thinks the US is a bunch of uneducated, racist morons.
Alan, I still don’t understand why it is a national emergency now and it wasn’t three months ago. Three months ago the Democrats did not have control of the purse strings and there was no rush to get it done. Once they took control they made it clear that they would not allocate one dollar for border walls and it became clear that the Democratic base demanded their representatives resist at every turn.
It's happening now because if no amount of negotiation gets the job done, brute force tactics are the only recourse.
ApatheticNoMore
2-15-19, 12:09pm
His speech is on now and it’s a combination of lies and non-sensical repeated words.
it always was, noone could have read the debates and not suspected "something is wrong with this guy". I mean I can suspect Ted Cruz would have made a worse President, and I can be pretty sure Carlie Fiorina would have (she came across as an insane hawk), but they could string together an argument that held together semantically (no matter how much I may have disagreed with it). Trump's speech was always incoherence. IT STOOD OUT as such. So those who say Trump's performed well in the debates, uh not by my standards.
It’s painful to listen too and embarrassing as well for our country. The rest of the world thinks the US is a bunch of uneducated, racist morons.
they are factually incorrect on the education part, on average Americans have a LOT of years of schooling, more on average than much of the rest of the world. How much they learn from it ... I don't know. But they can think the problem is education if they want, it's probably a lack of values and heart and well to a large part a rigged political system (I mean the electoral college and so on). Racism there is some of considering overt racists have been running and winning some places lately.
flowerseverywhere
2-15-19, 12:10pm
Three months ago the Democrats did not have control of the purse strings and there was no rush to get it done. Once they took control they made it clear that they would not allocate one dollar for border walls and it became clear that the Democratic base demanded their representatives resist at every turn.
It's happening now because if no amount of negotiation gets the job done, brute force tactics are the only recourse.
why wasn’t it a rush then? What has changed? Perhaps because he could not get the wall money through republican control? That Mexico was going to pay for remember.
it took over two years to declare an emergency, such an emergency he’s off to a weekend golfing while taxpayers rent golf carts from his course for his protection...so much winning.
why wasn’t it a rush then? What has changed? Perhaps because he could not get the wall money through republican control? That Mexico was going to pay for remember.
it took over two years to declare an emergency, such an emergency he’s off to a weekend golfing while taxpayers rent golf carts from his course for his protection...so much winning.I think timing is everything in politics which is now a head-to-head conflict that requires absolute winners and losers and no namby pamby everyone wins solutions. Both sides are ginning up their impressionable bases for 2020.
I think climate change, ecosystem collapse, ocean acidification, the 6th great extinction, and insect die off might be natural emergencies. Oh well what do I know ...
I favor immigration restrictions too, just in the scheme of things, and how ridiculous Trump's solution is (why not enforce it against employers?)... please.
Not long ago the Pentagon issued a report calling climate change an immediate threat to national security. That holds a lot more water than Ts inaccurate rambling over border security. The report will make for good ammunition if the right person gets into office and T has lead the precedent for invoking emergency finds for such.
https://climateandsecurity.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/sec_335_ndaa-report_effects_of_a_changing_climate_to_dod.pdf
Illegitimate border crossings are at their lowest in 45-50 years. There is absolutely no reason for a wall except as a sop to Trump's racist base. There are plenty of real emergencies we could be dealing with.
and he could have had the whole $25b a year ago but he’s such a sad pathetic negotiator that he wasnt willing to guve up anything in return.
The thing to keep in mind is that the courts will most likely rule against him. And secondly, if not, once we have president warren or whoever we’ll be one school shooting away from having a guns national emergency.
And this is how a constitution dies. Woohoo.
Someone needs to buy the president (and Alan) a dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emergency
: an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action
Our current situation at the border is neither unforseen nor requiring immediate action.
"And this is how a constitution dies. Woohoo."
Trump doesn't even bother to conceal that he itches to be a dictator. What I really find appalling is that Republicans are apparently perfectly happy to let him. I thought W was joking when he remarked that his job would be easier if he were a dictator, but looking back from this vantage point, I'm not so sure.
Peter Alexander sums it up pretty well with this tweet...
@PeterAlexander 5h5 hours ago
Trump, responding to my question, concedes there’s no national emergency to justify building his wall: “I didn’t need to do this... I just want to do it faster.” That answer will complicate his legal case.
Peter Alexander sums it up pretty well with this tweet...
@PeterAlexander 5h5 hours ago
Trump, responding to my question, concedes there’s no national emergency to justify building his wall: “I didn’t need to do this... I just want to do it faster.” That answer will complicate his legal case.
Apparently he wants it done before he goes to prison...
I agree that we have more pressing national emergencies.......like the gun problem. Oh, I forgot......we don't have a gun problem.
Or how about the planet emergency of the Environment?
So many emergencies.......so little sense.
gimmethesimplelife
2-15-19, 9:12pm
I went home early today, getting a ride from one of the other supervisors, because I was sick and vomiting at work. Woke up very tired and nauseous and shouldn't have gone to work, but then I never expect anyone to believe me if I call in sick, so I go to work sick and hope for the best. Anyway, I was home early today. Since I have been working so much, I've somewhat neglected my responsibility to the neighborhood so I spoke to a few people I haven't spoken to since before Christmas. The big topic in the 85006 of course today is the Wall and the National State of Emergency BS. I can tell you from what I'm hearing, not only am I against the wall, and the Emergency Declaration, too, but so is the 85006. We seem to be joined by many others nationwide, which is an inspiring thing to see.
For my part, I would once again agree that there are issues at the US/Mexico border but they are of a type that a wall is not an answer to. My take is that drugs, especially narcotics such as fentanyl are getting across in produce (and other) vehicles. Why not invest in more US CBP agents, maybe build an extra lane or two into the US, get more drug sniffing dogs, do whatever can be done to further inspect more vehicles/persons entering the US within a reasonable amount of time. I do not see a crisis at the border in the sense of an "alien invasion" - nope, not at all. Rob
flowerseverywhere
2-15-19, 9:27pm
I think timing is everything in politics which is now a head-to-head conflict that requires absolute winners and losers and no namby pamby everyone wins solutions. Both sides are ginning up their impressionable bases for 2020.
So Trump specifically did this just to try to be able to say to his cult “see, I tried everything I could but those democrats want drugs, guns and rapists pouring in”.
It’s not about the wall then (although it does serve the purpose of keeping non whites out). It is about scoring points, keeping his base fearful, appeasing his base etc.
So Trump specifically did this just to try to be able to say to his cult “see, I tried everything I could but those democrats want drugs, guns and rapists pouring in”.
It’s not about the wall then (although it does serve the purpose of keeping non whites out). It is about scoring points, keeping his base fearful, appeasing his base etc.I think so, although it works both ways. The Democrats are doing the same thing, plus keeping the racist angle going. See you've even fallen for it.
ToomuchStuff
2-16-19, 1:13am
Someone needs to buy the president (and Alan) a dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emergency
: an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for immediate action
Our current situation at the border is neither unforseen nor requiring immediate action.
Where did you get your law degree and why are you using an English dictionary, instead of a legalese dictionary? English and legalese are very different things and more often then non legal speaking people would like.
Where did you get your law degree and why are you using an English dictionary, instead of a legalese dictionary? English and legalese are very different things and more often then non legal speaking people would like.
Admittedly i’m not a lawyer. As an insurance guy my only experience with legalish wording is that in an insurance policy if a word is in bold or italics that means ‘watch out, someone’s made up a definition for it.’ Perhaps i missed it but it’s possible that trump put ‘national emergency’ in bold and made up some random definition to fit the situation.
flowerseverywhere
2-16-19, 10:15am
I think so, although it works both ways. The Democrats are doing the same thing, plus keeping the racist angle going. See you've even fallen for it.
you are wrong on this one. There has always been lots of game playing by all parties. However much of it has had the collateral damage as also benefitting the country. Not just enriching the game players to make them and their cronies wealthier. Watching smug smiles with puffed out chests at times lying outright is disturbing.
Maybe be we all need to stop believing the lies. The famous Obama “ if you like your insurance you can keep it” did not work out for a small amount of people. So some call it a lie. Was it said to deceive people? Questionable. Very different than I will build a big beautiful concrete wall from sea to sea and Mexico will pay for it. And the chants “lick her up”. And promising to appoint a special prosecutor to jail her. Is she a crook? They haven’t found any evidence yet. But the flock of felons surrounding Trump haven’t shown the best of judgement to say the least.
And the chants “lick her up”.
Hillary Clinton as sex object?
I think so, although it works both ways. The Democrats are doing the same thing, plus keeping the racist angle going. See you've even fallen for it.
It's not the dems keeping the racist angle going. The racists have that under control all on their own.
It's not the dems keeping the racist angle going. The racists have that under control all on their own.
Trump has been a vocal racist his whole life--probably learned it at his father's knee. He still thinks the Central Park Five should be punished, despite the DNA evidence clearing them--even took out four full-page ads railing about their release. And look who he surrounds himself with--Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions, and Stephen Miller (the vilest of the vile), all of whom are known, on-the-record bigots). Oh yeah--make no mistake, the president who turned his back on Puerto Rico, called majority black nations "shithole countries," publicly mused that we need more immigrants from white countries like Norway (bet the Norwegians had a good laugh about that), and continues to characterize hard-working immigrants (legal or not) and asylum seekers as rapists and thugs, is most certainly a racist.
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