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Zoe Girl
3-26-19, 9:46am
I had a bunch of stuff come up and I ended up taking an anxiety pill and sleeping a long time last night. The night before was short. I had this amazing dream where I was renting this beautiful house and I ended up having a party that went all night. I had that many friends apparently.

Still I woke up and had these old feelings of comparison and shame. I am between acceptance and understanding that I have a chronic illness and upset that I generally thought I was way more awesome than the world does. Thing is that looking at my friends honestly I am not doing too bad. And looking at my friends honestly most of us have had major set backs in life. I don't feel like I choose more successful friends and I don't think those people would choose me either. What little I know of successful people (ya know those with a house instead of renting a small bedroom) they start to question not following dreams at this age. When I am around successful people they seem to find me interesting and quirky. I don't feel a judgement really. However what started all this was going to the park with a friend and her baby, it was such a nice day and he is super cute and friendly. She is a teacher now, used to work for me actually, and thinking about what to do next year. The thing is that she earns more than me so I started to feel all sorts of regrets about not being able to be better at things because of not handling stress.

The continuing thread with my friends is that we focus on the spiritual more than anything, and even there can get frustrated with ourselves.

Chicken lady
3-26-19, 10:07am
In answer to your question, no.

There are days when I feel like I am failing at everything, but I can always look at my kids, who are the most important part of my life, and say “I did not screw that up.” There are things I could have done better, but I did ok. And I am still doing my best. And that is enough.

I think a lot of your difficulty stems from how you talk to yourself. Would you talk to you students like that? We are all still learning. Be gentle.

What is the most important part of your life? Did you screw it up? And even if you did, are you making it better now? It’s enough.

razz
3-26-19, 10:12am
Well said, CL. Self-talk can be punitive or supportive. Treat yourself as your best friend.

Zoe Girl
3-26-19, 10:15am
I went to a meditation on Sunday and the teacher mentioned that when we are hard on ourselves the teaching in buddhism is to reflect on the times we have done good things. So I am working on that,

Well good, I can work on this

Teacher Terry
3-26-19, 11:22am
No I don’t. My life is far from perfect but I am happy. One of my 3 kids is a loser but I don’t blame myself. We have had some bad luck financially and made some mistakes. That’s okay. We own a nice little house. We have done some traveling and hope to do more. We have good friends and the doggies:))

catherine
3-26-19, 11:37am
It's hard to define failure. I have one or two areas of my life that I could consider to be failures, but then I see that the "failures" actually enabled the successes I've had.

Thinking of life as black and white/success and failure negates the nuance and the mystery behind the choices we make and the outcomes that result.

iris lilies
3-26-19, 12:34pm
ZG, I wish for you that you can get out of your mindset where you do not feel like you are enough, or conversely seem to seek validation for being enough.


I have no idea how to move you out of that mindset. I will offer that if you bring this up with frequency in your social relationships, that would be a drag as a friend,for me anyway.

JaneV2.0
3-26-19, 12:37pm
I've grown comfortable with my non-achievement. I'm a good friend/citizen/relative and I've provided myself with the basics. Beating myself up for not being something else wouldn't be helpful.

ToomuchStuff
3-26-19, 3:02pm
What is with the at this age thing?

Never felt like one before? Have you never failed before?
It isn't about the shit that life gives you, it is about picking yourself up and what you do with that shit, and learning from it. Comparing yourself to others, AKA the Jones, is all about marketing (you need this, no this, no this, no this....) and doesn't do much for self esteem.
Hell, remember I was told I didn't deserve to live and was worthless, by a relative on their deathbed, just for existing. I will always be a failure, if I look at it comparatively, through the eyes of others.

rosarugosa
3-26-19, 3:52pm
I've grown comfortable with my non-achievement. I'm a good friend/citizen/relative and I've provided myself with the basics. Beating myself up for not being something else wouldn't be helpful.

I like the way you put this, Jane.

We live in a society that apparently values the Kardashians quite highly, so I wouldn't be too concerned if not everyone appreciates your awesomeness.

JaneV2.0
3-26-19, 4:57pm
I like the way you put this, Jane.

We live in a society that apparently values the Kardashians quite highly, so I wouldn't be too concerned if not everyone appreciates your awesomeness.

Lovingly tending (and marketing) an outsized ass really isn't one of my life goals...:devil:

pinkytoe
3-26-19, 5:35pm
I don't take myself too seriously anymore but being a human with a brain do acknowledge days where I feel less than stellar about myself. Comparison will make you feel bad/good at any rate so I don't go there anymore...that is the gift of aging. I like to have ongoing inspirational guidance of sorts though (which changes now and then) that I can utilize; having such provides me mental discipline and allows me to look outside of myself:
Leave something better than you found it (which can apply to anything)
Ask (be curious/question)
Create something

iris lilies
3-26-19, 6:33pm
Lovingly tending (and marketing) an outsized ass really isn't one of my life goals...:devil:
Well that is not politically correct, body shaming Kim K! Arent women supposed to support women and all that.

I am always surprised when I see Kim K on the tube be ause she really is exotically beautiful.

Teacher Terry
3-26-19, 6:46pm
ZG, by the time you hit 60 you won’t care anymore. I agree with Jane on that ass:))

ejchase
3-26-19, 7:13pm
I have a slightly different take on this.

All my life I've been gentle with myself, telling myself I'm doing fine and I'm "enough," partly in response to a childhood where at least one of my parents, though loving, was hyper-critical. I always sort of told myself as long as I wasn't a drug addict and I was supporting myself and not hurting anyone else, I was doing fine. That was my very low bar.

Then, as 40 neared, I started to realize how many very attainable dreams I'd had that I'd never realized, and it started to hit me that I would never realize them unless I changed my ways. I was talking to *my* Buddhist teacher at this time, and she gave me a great gift when she said this: "Yes, you better get on it. Life goes by very fast."

That really was a shift for me - to think that if there were things I really wanted to accomplish, I had to work for them very consciously and push myself a little, and I did. Over the next decade, I made some good changes - worked hard to get a better job, applied myself more to my fiction writing and published a few stories, bought a house. I don't think those things make me "successful" - but they were goals that were important to me for various reasons, and I am happy I pursued them.

I mostly don't compare myself with others, but sometimes, seeing my friends' accomplishments has nudged me to ask a little more from myself, and I'm grateful for that. I think a little competition and a little "negative thinking" can be constructive.

In fact, there's some really interesting research out there on how positive thinking can make us a little overly complacent, and how a little bit of negative thinking ("defensive pessimism") mixed with positive thinking can actually be really constructive. Here's a link:

https://health.usnews.com/wellness/mind/articles/2018-09-24/the-surprising-health-benefits-of-defensive-pessimism

I'm not suggesting we all need to beat ourselves up over what we haven't done, but I've learned for myself it's okay to let regret spur me to work a bit harder on some goals.

gimmethesimplelife
3-26-19, 7:30pm
I went to a meditation on Sunday and the teacher mentioned that when we are hard on ourselves the teaching in buddhism is to reflect on the times we have done good things. So I am working on that,

Well good, I can work on thisWow....good advice, I like that. Reflecting on the good we have done - and I bet for many of us it's more than we think. Rob

gimmethesimplelife
3-26-19, 7:37pm
By society's standards, I have been a failure only until recently when I moved up and quote unquote became management. (but very lower level). You know something though? Though years spent bouncing around fairly directionless taught me a lot about life, myself, and what I am all about and what works for me and what doesn't work for me. I would not change things now nor would I trade those years in if I could (though I will admit I'm partial to saving money and would not want to go back to my high anxiety days as a waiter).

My take is that as long as you are learning something you are not a failure in the sense that society throws the word around. Some of the most interesting talks I've ever had have been with homeless people I encounter in the 85006 - and I'm grateful I've stopped and talked to some of these guys - some of whom, at least once in awhile, have blown me away with their intelligence and accurate perceptions of the world around them. Society considers such people failures - I don't automatically as I understand most of us are not that far from homelessness ourselves. I was on the edge of it for some time before arriving here in 2005 so I get it.

Maybe some of it is defining for ourselves what our definition of success is and not auto accepting society's definition. Rob

iris lilies
3-26-19, 7:37pm
I have a slightly different take on this.

All my life I've been gentle with myself, telling myself I'm doing fine and I'm "enough," partly in response to a childhood where at least one of my parents, though loving, was hyper-critical. I always sort of told myself as long as I wasn't a drug addict and I was supporting myself and not hurting anyone else, I was doing fine. That was my very low bar.

Then, as 40 neared, I started to realize how many very attainable dreams I'd had that I'd never realized, and it started to hit me that I would never realize them unless I changed my ways. I was talking to *my* Buddhist teacher at this time, and she gave me a great gift when she said this: "Yes, you better get on it. Life goes by very fast."

That really was a shift for me - to think that if there were things I really wanted to accomplish, I had to work for them very consciously and push myself a little, and I did. Over the next decade, I made some good changes - worked hard to get a better job, applied myself more to my fiction writing and published a few stories, bought a house. I don't think those things make me "successful" - but they were goals that were important to me for various reasons, and I am happy I pursued them.

I mostly don't compare myself with others, but sometimes, seeing my friends' accomplishments has nudged me to ask a little more from myself, and I'm grateful for that. I think a little competition and a little "negative thinking" can be constructive.

In fact, there's some really interesting research out there on how positive thinking can make us a little overly complacent, and how a little bit of negative thinking ("defensive pessimism") mixed with positive thinking can actually be really constructive. Here's a link:

https://health.usnews.com/wellness/mind/articles/2018-09-24/the-surprising-health-benefits-of-defensive-pessimism

I'm not suggesting we all need to beat ourselves up over what we haven't done, but I've learned for myself it's okay to let regret spur me to work a bit harder on some goals.

Well sure, we have to find a healthy balance in that as in most things. But the OP’s ongoing problem of measuring self-worth and feeling disrespected it’s not what you are talking about.

JaneV2.0
3-26-19, 7:38pm
Well that is not politically correct, body shaming Kim K! Arent women supposed to support women and all that.

I am always surprised when I see Kim K on the tube be ause she really is exotically beautiful.

I don't think anyone can shame the Kardashian brand--didn't she get her start with a sex tape? At any rate, she seems to actively promote her bountiful booty, so where's the shame?

iris lilies
3-26-19, 7:49pm
I don't think anyone can shame the Kardashian brand--didn't she get her start with a sex tape? At any rate, she seems to actively promote her bountiful booty, so where's the shame?
Well you did use the phrase “outsized ass” rather than “bountiful booty” the first time and that seems shaming and deliberately negative. But Jane you know me, I’m not a member of the victim tribe so it is difficult for me to always know when I should be offended. ha ha just kidding

Yppej
3-26-19, 7:55pm
Some of the most interesting talks I've ever had have been with homeless people I encounter in the 85006 - and I'm grateful I've stopped and talked to some of these guys - some of whom, at least once in awhile, have blown me away with their intelligence and accurate perceptions of the world around them.

Back before we were married my XH introduced me to some friends of his, guys who hung around the back of Circle K drinking 40's. They talked about philosophy and religion and other big issues, not the usual weather/traffic/consumerist chitchat of the bourgeoisie.

Teacher Terry
3-26-19, 7:57pm
I was lucky in that my parents were always positive saying I was smart enough to do anything I wanted. They were encouraging in all ways.

Chicken lady
3-26-19, 8:04pm
My mother thought everything I did was amazing (except my transgressions, which were excusable)
my father occasionally granted me “acceptable” (never for transgressions)

i learned not to trust outside feedback.

JaneV2.0
3-26-19, 8:22pm
Well you did use the phrase “outsized ass” rather than “bountiful booty” the first time and that seems shaming and deliberately negative. But Jane you know me, I’m not a member of the victim tribe so it is difficult for me to always know when I should be offended. ha ha just kidding

Maybe I should have said "disproportionate" instead. I have no problem with which parts of her body she chooses to market, just with relentless self-promoters in general. Capitalism at its finest--
"monetize everything." One of my friends always says "I blame it on the Kardashians," when commenting on various revolting developments.

Gardnr
3-26-19, 8:23pm
I don't what age "this age" is.....but no, don't feel like a failure. I've consistently set goals, work towards, them and achieved them. I do mean MY goals, not other peoples' goals.

Didn't go to grad school. Not my goal.
Didn't continue to climb the corporate healthcare ladder. Not my goal.
Didn't build a big fancy new house. Not my goal.
Other peoples' goals/expectations for me-not my problem.

So if you have met the goals you've had for yourself and/or are working towards them, you haven't failed either.

Zoe Girl
3-26-19, 10:25pm
I think it was a check in about midlife crisis kind of thing. That is what I meant by 'this age'. I had today to reflect a little, and the thing I feel the most confident in is that I am a nice person. I know sometimes people think I am pushing it however I truly don't do things I don't want to do. I had a nice talk with a friend a few years older and she had a huge insight, that she chooses to do things, not 'have to'. That is something I realized many years ago as I made unconventional choices. I think for all my angst I don't talk about so many shoulds or have-tos.

I have a few things I have been working towards that just fell apart in the last year. So much of my forward progress as it appeared is just gone, doors closed, and outside of my control. I am not sure what to do next at times. I don't put things off, I have spent time asking to do things, take more on towards my goals, and it wasn't just in my last job. That is more of what I mean as opposed to other people's goals or expectations. And I always had a goal of writing well which I am not sure I demonstrate here.

sweetana3
3-27-19, 6:07am
ZG, it all starts with the title.

ToomuchStuff
3-27-19, 8:52am
Back when I was in school (don't remember if it was high school or thinking it was before that), two books I remember that affected my thinking:
Get your point across in 30 seconds or less.
How to lie with statistics.

The first is a clarity and time management thing. The second is a critical thinking skill thing (and helps spot politicians/others lies).

JaneV2.0
3-27-19, 9:37am
I'm not sure there is any point to this life; if so, I've never figured it out. I don't think we're here to labor like galley slaves chained to their oars, but you can't tell that by our society--or advertising, which is increasingly the same thing. In this culture, anyway, frantic work and never-ending self-improvement seem to chase us to the grave. My advice is to find a way to enjoy the time you have and do the best you can.

Tammy
3-27-19, 9:52am
Shades of gray. That’s what I think you miss a lot. Example: Your title says “everyone”. You talk a lot about all good or all bad types of topics. All or nothing. Never or always. In this case, “everyone” and “failure”.

If I were you, I’d try to find all the various nuances in life. How about “do you all sometimes question whether you’ve reached your life goals?” See how that’s a more balanced title and way to think? It’s easier on you ... not so harsh with yourself.

Zoe Girl
3-27-19, 9:57am
Good points, I should NOT post in the middle of a pity party :) I was kinda hoping others had experiences of failure as well, you know setting goals and working towards them and then having it fall apart anyway. You are all too well-adjusted!

JaneV2.0
3-27-19, 9:59am
I just ran across a book--The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life. It might provide food for thought. I haven't read it.

dado potato
3-27-19, 11:19am
In my view success is preferable to failure... but the degree of success is specific to a certain goal.

First, your success relates to your o-w-n (freely chosen) goals. Family members, internalized others (what would the members of my graduating class think of me?), or "generalized others" (-- George Herbert Mead) can be the basis for believing in personal failure, when it ain't necessarily so!

For example, my late mother-in-law said to my ex-wife (when I was not present) that it was unfortunate that her daughter had married "a man who never would amount to anything." She asked the rhetorical question, Do you honestly believe there will even be a street named after him anywhere?

That was my first marriage, and it did not last 4 years. (How do you spell "relief"?)

As it happened, my present wife and I were on a road trip. We were checking into a bed & breakfast in Bloomington IL, and the proprietor asked us if we were "any relation to so-and-so", one of the city fathers. Unfortunately, we knew of no relation. However, the proprietor mentioned that there was a street named after this guy... and sure enough I found it on a map. The following day my new missus and I took a pleasant walk on this street, and I did an impromptu pole dance on one of the street signs. She said, "Do that again, honey... I gotta take a picture of this!"

Second, there will be a higher degree of success on personal goals that are clearly defined, realistic and moderately challenging.

Each individual is unique as to what sort of goals would be realistic and moderately challenging. Consider Albert Schweitzer. Or consider George Dawson (1898-2001), who was born into a farm family in Marshall TX, never went to school, and who thus was illiterate. He left the farm to work in a saw mill, then worked at road repair, then got a job in a dairy in Dallas from which he retired at age 79. When necessary, George Dawson signed his name with an X. He married a literate woman (who bore 7 children). She did his reading and writing for him, until her death circa 1993. In his mid-90s George set a goal to learn how to read and write. He was tutored by a retired teacher. George then set a goal to pass the GED examination, which he did at age 98.

Finally, anybody who sets a lot of goals is bound to have some failures along with some successes. Is a failure ever a "shame"? My old dad used to say You gotta make your first hundred mistakes. In my teen years the number inflated to your first thousand. I suppose if he were talking to me now, it would be your first million!

Jack Cooper, MD (1924-2019), Professor at Yale Medical School, co-author of a book on biochemical neuropharmacology, pioneer researcher in the study of thiamine in the nervous system: If an experiment succeeds, you only learn one thing. An experiment that fails teaches you more, including what questions and experiments you should try next.

iris lilies
3-27-19, 12:06pm
I just ran across a book--The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life. It might provide food for thought. I haven't read it. a very popular book

herbgeek
3-27-19, 12:09pm
I was kinda hoping others had experiences of failure as well,

Sure, of course. I decided to start a business helping small business with productivity/time management and efficiency. The business was not successful. I closed it, and went back to the technical work I'd come from (took me over 2 years to find something though- even though companies say they want people that think like its their own business, they don't actually want entrepreneurs).

Did it hurt to fail? Sure. Hard to admit that I suck at marketing myself (the actual work was fun, soliciting for clients not so much). I really tried my best and was not successful in that. There was a mismatch between my target market and the skills they wanted/price they would pay, and the sales message they were receptive to, and what I was willing to do.

But it didn't define me. I moved on and have been moderately successful back in software development. I augmented my skills, I'm more comfortable talking to groups. I took a risk.

Sure I still feel some regret about how I could have been more successful, but I can't go back there.

iris lilies
3-27-19, 12:30pm
Good points, I should NOT post in the middle of a pity party :) I was kinda hoping others had experiences of failure as well, you know setting goals and working towards them and then having it fall apart anyway. You are all too well-adjusted!

Today I found myself almost cryingg out of frustration because it appears that I have taken on a garden club job that comes with shit tons of meeting attendance. The job itself is fine. And interesting, and it contributes to the ONE thing I like about National Garden Club activity. But sitting in these god damn two -three hour meetings listening to women drone on so that I may present my 60 second committee report is gonna kill me.

So yes, when I quit paid work my goal was NO MORE MEETINGS that wasted my time. I celebrated not having to EVER attend any meetings I did not want to attend.

8 am clear across town I have to show up for a freeking board meeting. Then 8 am the following morning same thing. Blah blah blah for days on end.

I think I may go brain dead.or poke my eyes out.

JaneV2.0
3-27-19, 1:39pm
Can't you just make a detailed report and have it read? Email it? Attend via Skype or Facetime?
That's the reason I only volunteer for the one-time tasks. My days of having to show up on a schedule are over.

Zoe Girl
3-27-19, 9:02pm
Iris, i once asked if workmans comp paid if you poked out your eye with a pencil during a horrible meeting. I didnt get an answer. Seriously though facilitating a good meeting is a real skill, when my last job was good we started and stopped meetings on time, had an agenda and a way of managing things that needed more time. We even had ways to make group decisions. I would be in physical pain or do something stupid like offer to run a meeting in that case.

Thanks all, this is helping me not globalize it all. I know my family is positive with me, but they have not taken risks sonthey really don't have any big failures. My immediate family has never lost a job, been divorced, had serious financial difficulty, major illness. They are good people but as the only divorced person, edge of being fired, and lost a home to foreclosure it feels really horrible some times. My sister does have serious anxiety with medication and counseling for life basically. I need to hear other stories to balance this out.

Geila, i get it. I have one friend who is the only one i talk to about just staying alive. She has been there so we understand without traumatizing anyone else

catherine
3-27-19, 9:27pm
I worry about my son, because he feels the pressure of being expected to live up to the kind of life dado talked about with his first MIL--the typical trappings of success kind of life. His first job was in Hoboken, where everyone works in NY and takes the PATH to Wall Street. So it's all about the Wolf of Wall Street vibe there, and my son worked at a music venue/restaurant and he loved the environment of that music scene, but he hated the clientele, to whom he couldn't relate at all. My son is a simple liver who loves to write music and make enough money in a day job to keep the roof over his head and some food in the pantry.

So I was happy when he moved to VT, because people tend to be like that. But he still has this chip on his shoulder about the choices he's made and how society's expectations run counter to his lifestyle. I wish he could meet some hippie chick and go run off and live in a commune. So, in that sense, I know he feels like you do, ZG, even though he's not mid-life yet. I think it's been a running "crisis" for him and will be as long as he bucks the road most traveled.

Teacher Terry
3-27-19, 9:54pm
My oldest and his wife value travel over things so don’t own a house. They are average earners and are happy. Catherine, your son just needs to find someone like himself. ZG, most people I know have been divorced, laid off or fired, had illness, financial issues, etc. It’s called life. Sure some lucky few haven’t been affected from any of these. Adversity makes you stronger. Previous generation had challenges also. I think when we are around very lucky people it skews our views of reality. Personally I feel blessed as many people have had lives much worse. 2 of my friends have lost kids before 19.

Zoe Girl
3-27-19, 10:04pm
I think what is interesting is that I have not cared what other people think of me, really and truly, and I realized that to some extent that is part of my brain illness. It is not reality to keep thinking how awesome and misunderstood you are, maybe think you are awesome but then realize other people may not see it and you actually need to work at relationships to get jobs, meet needs, etc. That is a challenge, I am very good at some of it and other parts are super challenging. If you met me in person and said that my outfit was out of style or that no one else was doing something I would give you a very strange look. I don't care, really. However I can read people and respond to them in a careful empathetic way, noticing things and not judging.

What kicked me over the edge was the things I really wanted to go, worked towards, made progress, and how they evaporated in the last year. Those were my things, not from the outside.

Teacher Terry
3-27-19, 10:09pm
You are not that old and certainly have time to do some of the things you want but not all. You certainly can go some of the places you want to.

Zoe Girl
3-27-19, 10:34pm
So everyone should look at my positive posts in hobbies about the decades week. I am posting daily pictures. I am very excited about tomorrow which is 80's day ( I am already wearing the outfit tonight).

rosarugosa
3-28-19, 9:10am
Dado: I love the street name story. I have to ask, did XW or any of her subsequent spouses get a street named after them?

sweetana3
3-28-19, 11:06am
The thing to do is look at what happened and ask several questions. This is educational and may help in formulating other ideas:

Did it require any input, support or work from others to succeed? Were they unavailable, did they not support it, did they not want to participate, did a product not sell?
Do you know why the projects/ideas were not successful? Is it something that can be changed to be successful or is it impossible?
Does the idea require more time or money than you have available?
Did you do a plan ahead of time with decision points to reconsider the whole idea?

This is a much more rational approach than emotional but I am more an accountant than an artist.

dado potato
3-28-19, 1:06pm
@rosarugosa

Thanks. XW went east in fact, and married a guy who was Vice President of a College. I have not kept track of his career, but it seems fairly likely that he climbed a rung or two. LOL, now that you mention it... Colleges name buildings etc after people who give them money. I might be able to give enough to a certain college to have a bicycle rack named after me.

sweetana3
3-28-19, 4:54pm
I actually have a relative who had a street in Bordeaux, France named after him in the 1800s. When we were there, we found it and took a picture of it. The street is about 2 blocks long.

Zoe Girl
3-28-19, 10:35pm
The thing to do is look at what happened and ask several questions. This is educational and may help in formulating other ideas:

Did it require any input, support or work from others to succeed? Were they unavailable, did they not support it, did they not want to participate, did a product not sell?
Do you know why the projects/ideas were not successful? Is it something that can be changed to be successful or is it impossible?
Does the idea require more time or money than you have available?
Did you do a plan ahead of time with decision points to reconsider the whole idea?

This is a much more rational approach than emotional but I am more an accountant than an artist.

That is really helpful, and gets me out of the emotional part in a reasonable way. One thing I can say is that the relationship structure changed so that my projects were no longer supported. I was working on doing more training of adults in my last department, I offered to do it, asked for feedback, asked to attend a training program, etc. I developed a series of 5 classes, 2 hours each, around mindfulness topics. I had great feedback. The next year administration changed and the progress I had been working on for 4 years was gone. I have left that employer so all the connections are also gone. That also happened with volunteering to teach mindfulness to kids in the school, and the non-profit I was working with imploded with an insane person. About that time my larger sangha (buddhist group) closed due to sexual misconduct and part of that closed our local group that I had been a facilitator with for over 4 years.

Basically things fall apart, but I am at a loss of what to do next, if I even want to try again in these areas, but also I know that I love the work of training adults and supporting meditation practice. It is a lot of self promotion to built this all back up again, and I am not sure I am up for it.

sweetana3
3-29-19, 8:15am
It appears that none of those situations were due to you at all. You were working within other programs/employers who changed themselves or you left (for very valid issues). Your perceived failure does not appear to be a failure of your input or teachings or relationships. If you still believe in your mindfulness program, you can continue to "market" it within your new organization.

Your work as a facilitator within your Buddhist group apparently has zero to do with the closure of the groups. If you enjoy being a facilitator, can you research its applicability to other nonprofits having issues with meetings within their groups?

I dont see you as a failure in any way. It appears your talents are just suspended until you find a new program to apply them to. How can you apply what you have developed in skills to other groups?

razz
3-29-19, 9:31am
Very well done in helping to see the past activities objectively, Sweetana, with detachment.

Float On
3-29-19, 11:21am
A failure or just plane stupid for decisions I've made my whole life and how that affects my today and future. Ugh... I'm in a foul mood. Please ignore me today.

razz
3-29-19, 2:04pm
A failure or just plane stupid for decisions I've made my whole life and how that affects my today and future. Ugh... I'm in a foul mood. Please ignore me today.

Sounds like you need a BIG hug so sending you one.

catherine
3-29-19, 3:47pm
A failure or just plane stupid for decisions I've made my whole life and how that affects my today and future. Ugh... I'm in a foul mood. Please ignore me today.

Float On, I'm a poster child for making decisions that did not serve me well in the long run, so let's form a club! I hear you. I just try to make lemonade out of the lemons, and lick up the spilt milk.

JaneV2.0
3-29-19, 4:20pm
Float On, I'm a poster child for making decisions that did not serve me well in the long run, so let's form a club! I hear you. I just try to make lemonade out of the lemons, and lick up the spilt milk.

I just hope that if there is indeed reincarnation, I won't make the same mistakes in the next life. I've made plenty of them in this one.

catherine
3-29-19, 4:32pm
I just hope that if there is indeed reincarnation, I won't make the same mistakes in the next life. I've made plenty of them in this one.

If only we could all be like Merlin--living backwards.

Gardnr
3-29-19, 4:45pm
A failure or just plane stupid for decisions I've made my whole life and how that affects my today and future. Ugh... I'm in a foul mood. Please ignore me today.

Hugs coming your way. You are not alone!

Zoe Girl
3-29-19, 5:46pm
A failure or just plane stupid for decisions I've made my whole life and how that affects my today and future. Ugh... I'm in a foul mood. Please ignore me today.

Probably not going to ignore you, but would take you on a hike if we were even moderately closer

ejchase
3-29-19, 10:17pm
Sending a big hug to you and others, Float On. ALL of us have made bad decisions at times and sometimes some really big ones. But Float On, your humor, intelligence, and kindness always come across on these boards. That stuff counts too!

iris lilies
3-30-19, 11:44am
Sending a big hug to you and others, Float On. ALL of us have made bad decisions at times and sometimes some really big ones. But Float On, your humor, intelligence, and kindness always come across on these boards. That stuff counts too!
Awww. That is nice. Seconded.