What do you think of this idea?

[gimmethesimplelife]

Today I am off (Happy July 4th btw everyone!) and spent part of my day online. One disturbing thing I read is of a recent confrontation between a black man (thankfully the whole thing was videoed on smartphone just like the recent event in Phoenix was) and a police officer in Boulder, Colorado, clearly proving the police officer wrong and breaking the law.....

Then I had an idea and I thought I'd run it by here as you'all are familiar with what a big deal such events are for me. My idea is this - to start a website similar to Talk Show Soup - a show years ago that had bits and segments of all the day's funky events on talk shows. In my case, the website would cover police brutality issues nationwide - and would stick with cases to the bitter end, highlighting settlements, firings, resignations, consequences of any kind.

This is totally right up my alley but if it's such a great idea, I wonder why it has not already been done? What do you'all think? I could see something like this lending my life significant meaning, and it might be some kind of legacy I can leave behind that would put a teensy little bit of good into a very crazy world.

Rob

[iris lilies]

This just reminded me that I need to get out my “thank you Police “yard signs and put them up. I retire them for a while and then put them back up, just to keep things fresh although I think I’m going to install one of them on our back fence permanently.

Thanks for the reminder Rob.

[gimmethesimplelife]

This just reminded me that I need to get out my “thank you Police “yard signs and put them up. I retire them for a while and then put them back up, just to keep things fresh although I think I’m going to install one of them on our back fence permanently.

Thanks for the reminder Rob.Fair enough, IL. You don't have to agree with my stance/take, fair enough.....but you also did not answer my question in my post. No one says you have to, I'm just pointing this out is all. Rob

[bae]

If your effort is factual, it would be helpful. If it is screed, not helpful.

Me, I'm continuing my police reform work by showing up at classes at the Seattle Police training facility, and working with our local Sheriff's office.

[iris lilies]

When you get your video website up and running don’t forget to include this video clip, It is brutal:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TTNSvIzwdA8

[Ultralight]

I really don't understand Rob's profound dislike of police.

[gimmethesimplelife]

I really don't understand Rob's profound dislike of police.I do have an intense dislike of police, that much I grant you here and now. So I will try to explain, without going into writing a novel as I often do.

Partly witnessing police brutality (interestingly enough, white on white) in rural New Hampshire the Summer of 1975 and then a few years ago next door to where I now live - the Phoenix PD vs. my Guatemalan neighbors - who got the last laugh with a settlement and their Guatemalan flag still flying. Those experiences coupled with the fact that for most (but not all) of my life I have lived in non-white-dominant areas - such as the majority Hispanic neighborhood I live in now - and I have seen up close and personal way too many times how the police treat non-whites.

There is no excuse for this - none whatsoever. And there is the crux of why I dislike the police so much. No snark here - have I made myself clear? Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

If your effort is factual, it would be helpful. If it is screed, not helpful.

Me, I'm continuing my police reform work by showing up at classes at the Seattle Police training facility, and working with our local Sheriff's office.Bae, no snark here, I am seriously curious. What kind of police reform do you aim to achieve via your methods? I'm not saying your methods are wrong, either, I am only trying to understand. Rob

PS I agree with you - anything I post on such a website I propose would need to be factual, otherwise I'm just adding to the drama and the noise. It's Ok to do so as the police make clear each and every day all around the United States - but doing so in a non-factual manner completely defeats my purpose and I'd be better off just using my current methods. Rob

[Alan]

Bae, no snark here, I am seriously curious. What kind of police reform do you aim to achieve via your methods? I'm not saying your methods are wrong, either, I am only trying to understand. Rob

PS I agree with you - anything I post on such a website I propose would need to be factual, otherwise I'm just adding to the drama and the noise. It's Ok to do so as the police make clear each and every day all around the United States - but doing so in a non-factual manner completely defeats my purpose and I'd be better off just using my current methods. Rob
Your current methods seem rather one-sided and show extreme bias. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do something about that.

[Float On]

I think it's a horrible idea. You asked.

[gimmethesimplelife]

I think it's a horrible idea. You asked.Fair enough, Float On, and you are right - I did ask. Fair enough. May I ask why you see it this way? You don't have to answer this if you'd rather not, though. Rob

[Ultralight]

I have seen cops bust a lot of guys for things like domestic violence, weapons while intoxicated, brandishing a firearm, drunk driving, etc.

To me, this is a good thing. What do you think, Rob?

[iris lilies]

I hope Rob’s proposed website allows comments. I hope those comments are unmoderated.I also hope that it has a section allowing readers to post their own videos.

[Alan]

I hope Rob’s proposed website allows comments. I hope those comments are unmoderated.I also hope that it has a section allowing readers to post their own videos.
But couldn't that potentially undermine his preferred narrative?

[Float On]

Fair enough, Float On, and you are right - I did ask. Fair enough. May I ask why you see it this way? You don't have to answer this if you'd rather not, though. Rob

Humanity is chaos.
I'd rather be part of good than bad.
Police aren't paid enough for the crap they deal with and put their life on the line for on a daily basis.
There are probably nation wide 100 or more good cops for every truly bad cop. Tell those stories of the good and build a better more hopeful tomorrow.

[Ultralight]

I do have an intense dislike of police, that much I grant you here and now. So I will try to explain, without going into writing a novel as I often do.

Partly witnessing police brutality (interestingly enough, white on white) in rural New Hampshire the Summer of 1975 and then a few years ago next door to where I now live - the Phoenix PD vs. my Guatemalan neighbors - who got the last laugh with a settlement and their Guatemalan flag still flying. Those experiences coupled with the fact that for most (but not all) of my life I have lived in non-white-dominant areas - such as the majority Hispanic neighborhood I live in now - and I have seen up close and personal way too many times how the police treat non-whites.

There is no excuse for this - none whatsoever. And there is the crux of why I dislike the police so much. No snark here - have I made myself clear? Rob

Rob, that is just not enough examples to justify a blanket dislike.

I used to work in Philly. I met a few people from over in Jersey. They were A-HOLES. Is this reason enough to dislike everyone from New Jersey?

[iris lilies]

But couldn't that potentially undermine his preferred narrative?
Not to him. Rob doesn’t need an echo chamber because he carries around his own echo chamber in his head.

[bae]

Bae, no snark here, I am seriously curious. What kind of police reform do you aim to achieve via your methods? I'm not saying your methods are wrong, either, I am only trying to understand. Rob


Well, I have to think it has a positive effect on the performance and outlook of the officers to work with them helping train them in non-lethal/less-lethal use-of-force, weapons retention, edge-weapon defense, trauma medicine, and so on. This gives them more options, and reduces their anxiety, and increases their proficiency, which I suspect all together help give them the ability to be kinder and gentler.

I also work with post-incident trauma and stress sessions, which probably reduces burnout, suicide and divorce rates.

And I work on active-shooter response, because I go into the building with them when we have such things.

And I move all the dead bodies, so they don't have to be traumatized by that, as they have less of a support system in place than my team does. They call us, we deal with it, they buy us coffee later.

And my team works with them on marine response, which is a team effort, and our participation has resulted in a reduction in injury and accident rates, improved response time, and overall safety.

And my team backs them up when they have Troublesome Situations, so the one or two officers have more options available to them, which reduces stress and improves outcomes, and adds a lot of accountability and transparency.

I mean, sure, I could just robocall their offices and say "we're watching you", but I think my hands-on citizen participation wins more hearts and minds, saves more lives, and produces better outcomes.

[LDAHL]

Who would be the audience for such a site? I don’t see it striking terror into the hearts of the cops. I doubt the general public would have much interest.

I think there are more constructive ways to give your life meaning than feeding an obsession.

[iris lilies]

Rob here’s what I think of your idea: there’s not enough fresh video content of cops acting badly to make it a viable website.

These videos shows up on YouTube all the time anyway.Would you have exclusive right to use the video content? I doubt it, once it’s out there it’s out there.

There are several kinds of “bad cop databases” on the web, each with a different emphasis, So if you are really doing this it would be a good thing to link to those databases.It could be a place to collect “I hate cops” stories From random posters. You could also collect videos of cops shot and dying on the ground, that would please your audience. We have such video footage in St. Louis for our latest cop killing. The St. Louis Post Dispatch put up that video for a brief time on their own website. And then they took it down with an apology, crying crocodile tears begging forgiveness. They are insufferable.

You could join right up with the Post Dispatch since ya’ll have the same mindset. But in the end, there’s not enough real content to support a website.

Instagram might be a better technical tool for this, you can post the video of the day there. It doesn’t require website maintenance. There are sections for comments and still images and you can save videos there too. Not sure how much of a storage capacity there is for each IG account.

[ToomuchStuff]

So you want to get into journalism?

Have you seriously thought about the costs? (video licensing, sending someone there, etc.) Even if you make it an opinion style instead of factual style, you have stated your malice for police and need to be wary of slander/liable.

[Tammy]

Like Bae, I work with law enforcement regularly. In my situation it’s for allegations of rape or abuse, or physical altercations, from/between our patients. Many times it’s part of the delusion rather than part of reality. But it all gets reported.

I can see the PD get frustrated when it’s obviously delusion but I work with them on it and we have a good partnership.

My husband is a downtown Phoenix ambassador, and he interfaces with PD related to the homeless. Phoenix PD has been working on an approach that is helpful (understanding mental illness, offering services, using crisis prevention interactions).

Most of them are not bad guys. We do have some who are as you all see on the national news at times. But I like being part of the solution. I think the community working with the police can bring change to the PD. I also value Rob’s people marching and protesting because we all need to know that injustices happen.

It’s both/and, not either/or.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Like Bae, I work with law enforcement regularly. In my situation it’s for allegations of rape or abuse, or physical altercations, from/between our patients. Many times it’s part of the delusion rather than part of reality. But it all gets reported.

I can see the PD get frustrated when it’s obviously delusion but I work with them on it and we have a good partnership.

My husband is a downtown Phoenix ambassador, and he interfaces with PD related to the homeless. Phoenix PD has been working on an approach that is helpful (understanding mental illness, offering services, using crisis prevention interactions).

Most of them are not bad guys. We do have some who are as you all see on the national news at times. But I like being part of the solution. I think the community working with the police can bring change to the PD. I also value Rob’s people marching and protesting because we all need to know that injustices happen.

It’s both/and, not either/or.Tammy.....I like your take here. Calm and reasonable and yet real and willing to acknowledge the police are no saints. Kudos! And here's something interesting.....back in 2001 I applied for a job as a Copper Square Ambassador with the Downtown Phoenix Partnership myself and even went in for a drug test and it looked like I was going to be hired....and then I was offered a fine dining server position around the corner at the then Crowne Plaza downtown. Small world! If we ever meet I would not be surprised if we've run across each other before and even vaguely recognize each other.......Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

So you want to get into journalism?

Have you seriously thought about the costs? (video licensing, sending someone there, etc.) Even if you make it an opinion style instead of factual style, you have stated your malice for police and need to be wary of slander/liable.There has been a great deal of friction between us over the years so please don't be stunned here with what I am about to post. I actually agree with you here. I am sure this is no simple undertaking and that there are in and outs and rules and regulations and expenses and legalities to worry about. Granted and given. I am only at the idea stage at this time but yes, these are issues to be considered, I'll give you that. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I hope Rob’s proposed website allows comments. I hope those comments are unmoderated.I also hope that it has a section allowing readers to post their own videos.IL....here's something I find interesting. As we speak there are a number of St. Louis police officers being investigated, just like there are in Phoenix, for their Facebook posts....I understand that in St. Louis it's more of an anti-Muslim thing whereas in Phoenix it's more of an open season on anyone including myself as a gay man. My point? You let this slide and don't say a word about it, implying (whether or not it's true) that such is acceptable to you.....interesting. Whereas in my case the Phoenix PD does anything the slightest bit over the line and I'm making sure it's going around the world on social media, no exceptions, excuses, or equivocation.

No offense, OK? I believe my way leads to saving lives and preventing physical harm to innocent civilians, plus aids in lawsuits (at least when video can be obtained/produced). I'm not saying you are wrong, nor am I saying you should change....you do you. You only need to account to yourself anyway. Once again, you do you. All I'm saying? I rather like myself for how I handle such issues and for how I act upon and prioritize such issues. Without even trying to, today you indirectly made me feel good about myself and various life choices I've made. Thank You. And I mean no snark or sarcasm here. There is a huge gulf between how you and I see these issues, would you not agree with at least this much? I'm happy to be on my side of this gulf - as I'm sure you are to be on yours. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Well, I have to think it has a positive effect on the performance and outlook of the officers to work with them helping train them in non-lethal/less-lethal use-of-force, weapons retention, edge-weapon defense, trauma medicine, and so on. This gives them more options, and reduces their anxiety, and increases their proficiency, which I suspect all together help give them the ability to be kinder and gentler.

I also work with post-incident trauma and stress sessions, which probably reduces burnout, suicide and divorce rates.

And I work on active-shooter response, because I go into the building with them when we have such things.

And I move all the dead bodies, so they don't have to be traumatized by that, as they have less of a support system in place than my team does. They call us, we deal with it, they buy us coffee later.

And my team works with them on marine response, which is a team effort, and our participation has resulted in a reduction in injury and accident rates, improved response time, and overall safety.

And my team backs them up when they have Troublesome Situations, so the one or two officers have more options available to them, which reduces stress and improves outcomes, and adds a lot of accountability and transparency.

I mean, sure, I could just robocall their offices and say "we're watching you", but I think my hands-on citizen participation wins more hearts and minds, saves more lives, and produces better outcomes.Bae, i've read over your post here several times and done some thinking over it and I will give you this - your way is kindler and gentler than mine, yes. I can see that and even agree with that.

So why don't I make any effort to adopt at least some of your kindler and gentler way? Simple answer - it would not work here. Phoenix is too big and too aggressive and the PD is too into thinking they are Gods completely above the law for such to work. All that will work here is my much more aggressive, in your face with consequences and media coverage approach. For anything against the police and in the name of the Rule of Law and Human Rights to work here, individual officers have to feel some fear of financial loss if not outright terror. It may not be that way where you are, and if it's not, that's great and I support your methods (I truly do) and as I posted to IL a little bit ago - you do you.

My point? In the 5th largest city in America (Phoenix recently surpassed Philadelphia in population for the #5 spot) your techniques are not going to work. I've gotta go with what does, less pleasant than yours though the tactics may be. It's about saving lives from the police, saving people from physical harm from the police, and cashing in on them for every penny when possible. This is what police/resident relations have sunk to in lower income Phoenix, AZ zip codes. It's not pleasant but then how often is reality pleasant when you get right down to it? Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Rob here’s what I think of your idea: there’s not enough fresh video content of cops acting badly to make it a viable website.

These videos shows up on YouTube all the time anyway.Would you have exclusive right to use the video content? I doubt it, once it’s out there it’s out there.

There are several kinds of “bad cop databases” on the web, each with a different emphasis, So if you are really doing this it would be a good thing to link to those databases.It could be a place to collect “I hate cops” stories From random posters. You could also collect videos of cops shot and dying on the ground, that would please your audience. We have such video footage in St. Louis for our latest cop killing. The St. Louis Post Dispatch put up that video for a brief time on their own website. And then they took it down with an apology, crying crocodile tears begging forgiveness. They are insufferable.

You could join right up with the Post Dispatch since ya’ll have the same mindset. But in the end, there’s not enough real content to support a website.

Instagram might be a better technical tool for this, you can post the video of the day there. It doesn’t require website maintenance. There are sections for comments and still images and you can save videos there too. Not sure how much of a storage capacity there is for each IG account.I am under the belief that I have made this stance clear in the past but I'll calmly and clearly state it: I do NOT advocate violence. Period. On either side of the equation. Violence solves nothing.....I'll even go so far as to say that I wish more in the 85006 understood that.

Do I really even need to state the following at this point? I advocate economic consequences, both personal enrichment from police misbehavior, possibly in the case of a HUGE settlement such as the ones looking like they will soon be happening here in Phoenix - in these cases I'm all for starting a foundation to pay the legal expenses of low income or unemployed/mentally ill/disabled victims of American police so that they too may have a crack at top dollar. I also advocate pension loss within 72 business hours in truly horrific scenarios such as the one that recently visited Phoenix, and further economic loss/consequences for individual law breaking officers. Finally, and here's a big one - a nationwide former law enforcement officer criminal registry, operating much the same way a sex offender registry would, to permanently dog every step a law breaking officer makes in their life after losing their police officer position.

YES! I advocate all of the above - but no violence. I'm also against the murder of cops - I can certainly understand the anger that leads to this happening - but it solves nothing and just doubles down on horrific law enforcement behavior. Violence solves nothing. Both sides of this equation need to learn this one better. Rob

[iris lilies]

IL....here's something I find interesting. As we speak there are a number of St. Louis police officers being investigated, just like there are in Phoenix, for their Facebook posts....I understand that in St. Louis it's more of an anti-Muslim thing whereas in Phoenix it's more of an open season on anyone including myself as a gay man. My point? You let this slide and don't say a word about it, implying (whether or not it's true) that such is acceptable to you....interesting.

Whereas in my case the Phoenix PD does anything the slightest bit over the line and I'm making sure it's going around the world on social media, no exceptions, excuses, or equivocation...

to the bolded

You put forth silly arguments.

I don’t write about every wrong in the world because I have, unlike you, many interests. (And besides, there are always cops being investigated and charged in STL. ) You have two hobby horses you ride on this website, bad cops and socialized medicine. Over and over and over, again and again and again.

[iris lilies]

I am under the belief that I have made this stance clear in the past but I'll calmly and clearly state it: I do NOT advocate violence. Period. On either side of the equation. Violence solves nothing.....I'll even go so far as to say that I wish more in the 85006 understood that.

Do I really even need to state the following at this point? I advocate economic consequences, both personal enrichment from police misbehavior, possibly in the case of a HUGE settlement such as the ones looking like they will soon be happening here in Phoenix - in these cases I'm all for starting a foundation to pay the legal expenses of low income or unemployed/mentally ill/disabled victims of American police so that they too may have a crack at top dollar. I also advocate pension loss within 72 business hours in truly horrific scenarios such as the one that recently visited Phoenix, and further economic loss/consequences for individual law breaking officers. Finally, and here's a big one - a nationwide former law enforcement officer criminal registry, operating much the same way a sex offender registry would, to permanently dog every step a law breaking officer makes in their life after losing their police officer position.

YES! I advocate all of the above - but no violence. I'm also against the murder of cops - I can certainly understand the anger that leads to this happening - but it solves nothing and just doubles down on horrific law enforcement behavior. Violence solves nothing. Both sides of this equation need to learn this one better. Rob

It is hard for me to know what point you’re addressing in the above word salad.


But I think you might be referencing the idea of a video of a dying policeman on your fantasy website. If you consider that advocating violence then, OK, I can see that. And in that regard you are better than the St. Louis Post Dispatch despite their smarmy protestations.

[bae]

... in Phoenix it's more of an open season on anyone including myself as a gay man.

Are the Phoenix police engaging in specifically-targeted acts against gay men?

[bae]

Finally, and here's a big one - a nationwide former law enforcement officer criminal registry, operating much the same way a sex offender registry would, to permanently dog every step a law breaking officer makes in their life after losing their police officer position.


You might want to look into what already exists today before adding this to your list...

[gimmethesimplelife]

Are the Phoenix police engaging in specifically-targeted acts against gay men?Bae, to both answer your question and to be fair....no. There have been no targeted acts against gay men committed by the Phoenix PD recently that I am aware of. I refer to the Facebook post scandal, where gay men were among those disparaged by Phoenix PD officers over individual officer's Facebook posts. But there have been no targeted violent acts against gay men committed by the Phoenix PD recently - just to be clear in my meaning and not to accuse them of one thing at least that they are not guilty of. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

It is hard for me to know what point you’re addressing in the above word salad.


But I think you might be referencing the idea of a video of a dying policeman on your fantasy website. If you consider that advocating violence then, OK, I can see that. And in that regard you are better than the St. Louis Post Dispatch despite their smarmy protestations.LOL...word salad....can I burrow this phrase? I rather like it!

Getting to the point, it looks like I was not clear, I'll give you that. I did indeed refer to your comment regarding the dying policeman. Once again, I am very much against any type of violence and this includes violence against police officers. I have even lectured a few people in the neighborhood in regards to this - it's like it's their job to be violent against us - this is like their sick natural order of things - so that we can video and get money. That's kind of how that one works in lower income Phoenix neighborhoods. I don't know how it works in St Louis so I won't presume to tell you if this applies there, fair enough? But I also get irritated with those few people in the 85006 who don't grasp what I've just posted about police and what they are good for and how to achieve this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp this and it should be instinctive to someone who lives where I do.

Anyway, thanks I guess for saying I'm better than your local paper. No one period should be advocating violence.......not even in the 85006. No excuses, no exceptions (well, maybe for self defense but I'd still prefer video proof) and no equivocation(s). Maybe we can at least agree on this one thing, no? I'm also very much against violence....perhaps for different reasons, but I'm still against it. Rob

[bae]

I refer to the Facebook post scandal, where gay men were among those disparaged by Phoenix PD officers over individual officer's Facebook posts.

Can you explain this incident some more? I'm not quite sure what your sentence means.

I think perhaps you are referring to this:

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/phoenix-cops-bash-muslims-immigrants-and-black-people-online-11306928

https://www.plainviewproject.org/data?city=phoenix

I would find it difficult to leap from this collection of Facebook posts to the conclusion that it is "open season" on gay men in Phoenix.

[bae]

This idea of going for "big settlements" to inspire terror in the police.

I suspect it needs deconstructed a bit.

Assuming a "big settlement" is awarded, where does the money come from? From the city's pockets, or from its insurers. In any event, the final cost simply gets passed down to the taxpayers of the political division those police are operating in. That is, the very residents that are being oppressed by the police.

And if those residents are minorities, and don't have any clout, the wealthier majority population may well be happy to pay the price - they can afford it, and the increase in taxes drives out the "undesireable" elements anyways. Win-win....

This is why these problems have to be approached system-wide. The voters have to elect people who will not put up with police nonsense. And if they continue to allow this to happen, you have to bring in higher-level governmental oversight. This is why the Seattle Police Department operates now under strict Federal supervision, because they were out of line, and unwilling to reform.

[gimmethesimplelife]

This idea of going for "big settlements" to inspire terror in the police.

I suspect it needs deconstructed a bit.

Assuming a "big settlement" is awarded, where does the money come from? From the city's pockets, or from its insurers. In any event, the final cost simply gets passed down to the taxpayers of the political division those police are operating in. That is, the very residents that are being oppressed by the police.

And if those residents are minorities, and don't have any clout, the wealthier majority population may well be happy to pay the price - they can afford it, and the increase in taxes drives out the "undesireable" elements anyways. Win-win....

This is why these problems have to be approached system-wide. The voters have to elect people who will not put up with police nonsense. And if they continue to allow this to happen, you have to bring in higher-level governmental oversight. This is why the Seattle Police Department operates now under strict Federal supervision, because they were out of line, and unwilling to reform.Bae, I can't see this happening in Phoenix....the Federal supervision of the Phoenix PD I mean. I guess if things continue to spiral out of control it may happen, but I have a hard time seeing it happen here, conservative as Phoenix can sometimes (but oddly enough not always is) be. But I remember Jane mentioning something about the Federal supervision in Seattle and I am not up to speed on this. I will go research this online to get up to speed. Rob

[bae]

Bae, I can't see this happening in Phoenix....the Federal supervision of the Phoenix PD I mean. I guess if things continue to spiral out of control it may happen, but I have a hard time seeing it happen here, conservative as Phoenix can sometimes

Seattle was not given a choice....

[gimmethesimplelife]

Can you explain this incident some more? I'm not quite sure what your sentence means.

I think perhaps you are referring to this:

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/phoenix-cops-bash-muslims-immigrants-and-black-people-online-11306928

https://www.plainviewproject.org/data?city=phoenix

I would find it difficult to leap from this collection of Facebook posts to the conclusion that it is "open season" on gay men in Phoenix.I beg to differ, bae. This gay man right here? If a police officer hates me due to my sexual orientation but keeps their mouth shut, I have no problem with it. Disparage gay men (or any LGBT) online and I consider that open season.....maybe not in a violent sense, but in a terror that they have a gun and a badge and can murder me and likely get away with it completely sense. Yes indeed, to me such disparagement is indeed open season. And then too one has to question....why would they post such online given the intense scrutiny of police officers these days to begin with? One would hope for a little more common sense but in Phoenix, St. Louis, and Philadelphia at any rate, this seems to be too much to hope for. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Seattle was not given a choice....Fair enough, bae. As I said, I'm not up to speed here but will look into this. I guess your point is that Phoenix might not be given a choice if current issues continue to take place? Rob

[Alan]

Disparage gay men (or any LGBT) online and I consider that open season.....
What about when you disparage police online? Do you apply the same rules of conduct to yourself?

[gimmethesimplelife]

What about when you disparage police online? Do you apply the same rules of conduct to yourself?No. And it's not hypocritical on my part, either.

Reason? I don't carry a gun and a badge and I can't detain you, arrest you, take you into custody, get away with lying like a rug on a floor about a police report, or kill you and lie about it to get away with it. Big, big, big diff here, Alan. I am hoping with your years of life experience you can grasp the Grand Canyon Wide chasm between a police officer disparaging an LGBT individual vs. someone like me disparaging them. Big, big, big diff. Rob

[Alan]

Alan. I am hoping with your years of life experience you can grasp the Grand Canyon Wide chasm between a police officer disparaging an LGBT individual vs. someone like me disparaging them. Big, big, big diff. RobRealistically, the only difference I can see is that one hurts your feelings and the other gets you off. One fills you with righteous indignation and the other makes you feel good about yourself.

You're either both wrong or both right and you can't have it any other way.

[bae]

I beg to differ, bae. This gay man right here? If a police officer hates me due to my sexual orientation but keeps their mouth shut, I have no problem with it. Disparage gay men (or any LGBT) online and I consider that open season.....maybe not in a violent sense, but in a terror that they have a gun and a badge and can murder me and likely get away with it completely sense.

So, if the officer has "disparagement" in his heart, but keeps quiet about it, you're not in terror.

But if he posts to his Facebook page, it's time to panic? And it's "open season" on you?

Well, to this queer intersex non-binary person, that makes little sense. (I have some more identity politics cards to play, if we want to play Go Fish...)

How many members of the Phoenix PD post stuff like this to their Facebook pages? What number would be required to drive you to terror? Does the department have any policy on private social media use? Should it?

Looking at their database, the material tends to be several years old, and it's the sort of sophomoric horse-excrement my less-enlightened right-wing midwest relatives tend to "share" without thought. I'm having trouble making the leap to "open season" and "terror".

[bae]

Reason? I don't carry a gun and a badge and I can't detain you, arrest you, take you into custody, get away with lying like a rug on a floor about a police report, or kill you and lie about it to get away with it.

And the Phoenix police do this a lot to gay men, do they?

[gimmethesimplelife]

And the Phoenix police do this a lot to gay men, do they?No bae.....not the point. The point is that if you are entrusted by society to have a gun and to be able to have power over Joe Public, to be able to kill (when legally indicated, a major problem with American police as we all know), to be able to arrest, detain, etc.....there really is no room to be discriminatory towards anyone. Period. As much as I don't believe in violence I believe that what I just posted is true, too. So, to answer your question - gay men in Phoenix are not being attacked by the Phoenix PD as far as I am aware. But online, yes, they are, and by people who not only should know better but should be legally compelled to zip it......and who shouldn't even be legally required to do so but who should do so through sheer common sense. Good luck with that, no? Rob

[bae]

So, to answer your question - gay men in Phoenix are not being attacked by the Phoenix PD as far as I am aware. But online, yes, they are,

Attacked online by the Phoenix PD? The official PD, acting officially? Or some small small minority of individuals posting to their own Facebook pages foolishly?

Do you have some numbers? Or is a single social media offender enough to tar the entire department with the charge "open season on gay men"?

[bae]

Interesting.... Those darned cameras.


https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/video-video-shows-man-behind-10m-phoenix-lawsuit-has-history-of-attacking-cops-I0Z4o8LuL0isO00xHTaV-Q/