Counter-examples of why Rob is wrong about cops.

[Ultralight]

Rob has been bothering me with his incessant rants against cops -- as though the vast majority of them are horrible, racist, violent demons in blue.

So I created this thread where we can -- just to razz him -- post positive stories about cops.

"Instead of arresting a woman accused of shoplifting, these NYPD officers paid for her meal"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/us/nypd-officers-whole-foods-trnd/index.html

[oldhat]

Yes, demonizing police is certainly not the answer. As someone with police in my family I am probably more sympathetic to them than most "liberals." I've known plenty of cops who are very decent guys. But I've also known some who were complete jerks. Especially when I was a small-town newspaper editor, I encountered plenty of cops who should not have been allowed within shouting distance of a firearm.

Better recruiting and training would undoubtedly help. My uncle, who is a retired police lieutenant, likes to point out that in Germany, a cop must be a college graduate, who in addition to the police academy receives a full year of close supervision from an experienced officer when he goes on the street.

I think a big part of the problem is plain fear. This country is so awash in every conceivable type of weapon that cops know any split second of hesitation could be their last. Sensible gun laws would help, although that genie is now so far out of the bottle that it might not make that much difference.

[iris lilies]

In the 30 years we’ve lived in our urban core, high crime, neighborhood we have had good relations with police officers.

The most recent long-term relationship we ( DH and me plus any neighbors who are involved in our neighborhood) had was with Officer Brian M. He was assigned to our neighborhood for about eight years. He did his gig on foot, some of his gig on a scooter, and some in a patrol car. We always knew how to reach him via phone or email. Our neighborhood maintains a “substation” for Third district policemen with computer access, snacks, refrigerator, bathroom And this cost around $7000 annually. Officer Brian M. worked closely with our safety committee of the neighborhood.

We had police appreciation events like picnics in our park or Super Bowl parties where neighborhood people contributed food and officers on the third district swing by during their breaks or their off days. Officer Brian M kept his Third district colleagues informed of the trouble spots in our neighborhood. He became close friends of our friends so he and his wife ended up coming to our neighborhood parties in his off time. I always thought he was pretty laid-back and friendly. He retired recently and the day he retired he let his hair grow and is now down to his shoulders. He is very cute.

We had a similar relationship with Officer John L a few years prior. Officer John L was assigned to our neighborhood for several years and we developed that same close relationship. He was single! He was big and blond and a hunk, And we all wanted to set him up with a girlfriend. One of many incidents I remember with him was when our neighbor three doors down had something going on at their house, maybe it was a burglar alarm? I don’t remember exactly except it John check that situation over and then walked over to our house to askmhow to contact that neighbor. He knows people on every block, And that was the value in having neighborhood cops. They built relationships with citizens.

Several years before that, with my friend being the police officer liaison, we had a neighborhood party at our house and the Third district commander came with his wife, and we got to know them on a casual basis. He ended up being promoted to St Louis’ Chief of Police I still remember his interaction with one of my bulldogs, kind and friendly.

One of our friends from my neighborhood spent a couple of years in local politics and got himself appointed to the Police commissioner board. Soon after he was made president of the Board and he stayed in that position for a few years. He has been to our house several times, granted years ago before he became a big important developer.

I’m sure Rob would shrivel up into a hyperventilating ball if he had the chief of police or the President of the Police Commission in his living room.

[gimmethesimplelife]

He has been to our house several times, granted years ago before he became a big important developer.In the 30 years we’ve lived in our urban core, high crime, neighborhood we have had good relations with police officers.


The most recent long-term relationship we ( DH and me plus any neighbors who are involved in our neighborhood) had was with Officer Brian M. He was assigned to our neighborhood for about eight years. He did his gig on foot, some of his gig on a scooter, and some in a patrol car. We always knew how to reach him via phone or email. Our neighborhood maintains a “substation” for Third district policemen with computer access, snacks, refrigerator, bathroom And this cost around $7000 annually. Officer Brian M. worked closely with our safety committee of the neighborhood.

We had police appreciation events like picnics in our park or Super Bowl parties where neighborhood people contributed food and officers on the third district swing by during their breaks or their off days. Officer Brian M kept his Third district colleagues informed of the trouble spots in our neighborhood. He became close friends of our friends so he and his wife ended up coming to our neighborhood parties in his off time. I always thought he was pretty laid-back and friendly. He retired recently and the day he retired he let his hair grow and is now down to his shoulders. He is very cute.

We had a similar relationship with Officer John L a few years prior. Officer John L was assigned to our neighborhood for several years and we developed that same close relationship. He was single! He was big and blond and a hunk, And we all wanted to set him up with a girlfriend. One of many incidents I remember with him was when our neighbor three doors down had something going on at their house, maybe it was a burglar alarm? I don’t remember exactly except it John check that situation over and then walked over to our house to askmhow to contact that neighbor. He knows people on every block, And that was the value in having neighborhood cops. They built relationships with citizens.

Several years before that, with my friend being the police officer liaison, we had a neighborhood party at our house and the Third district commander came with his wife, and we got to know them on a casual basis. He ended up being promoted to St Louis’ Chief of Police I still remember his interaction with one of my bulldogs, kind and friendly.

One of our friends from my neighborhood spent a couple of years in local politics and got himself appointed to the Police commissioner board. Soon after he was made president of the Board and he stayed in that position for a few years. He has been to our house several times, granted years ago before he became a big important developer.

I’m sure Rob would shrivel up into a hyperventilating ball if he had the chief of police or the President of the Police Commission in his living room.IL, seriously, in Phoenix - even in higher end areas than my infamous zip code, mind you - we truly do not have this kind of neighborhood relationship with the police. Even in areas that typically don't have the problems with the police that we have had in the 85006. I'm not saying I don't believe you have this kind of working relationship with the police - what I am saying is that is not how things are here, and I'm trying to stress for once that this one is not zip code nor asset/income/wealth specific. It's just done differently here.

I honestly could not see the Chief of Police here or the President of the Police Commission entering a living room of a Phoenix resident - other than for personal reasons of some type. The social, photo op, pr kind of thing does not happen here very often if at all. Probably no surprise to you that I'm perfectly down with this and see no reason to change this, no?

As an aside, about the Police Chief in Phoenix, Jeri Williams - the jury is still out but to date she seems to try to be doing something. I am giving her credit for that much to date. Remains to be seen if Phoenix PD misbehavior continues or not, though.......my take is that it's probably going to continue, but for awhile longer, the Phoenix PD will be keeping a low profile. I've noticed since the brouhaha here began that police vehicles driving by me? They just zoom on by and don't stop to look/assess opportunities at predation. Given the very recent nature of this change, I'd say it has to do with police officers being directed to keep a low profile for the time being. Rob

[Ultralight]

IL, seriously, in Phoenix - even in higher end areas than my infamous zip code, mind you - we truly do not have this kind of neighborhood relationship with the police. Even in areas that typically don't have the problems with the police that we have had in the 85006. I'm not saying I don't believe you have this kind of working relationship with the police - what I am saying is that is not how things are here, and I'm trying to stress for once that this one is not zip code nor asset/income/wealth specific. It's just done differently here.

I honestly could not see the Chief of Police here or the President of the Police Commission entering a living room of a Phoenix resident - other than for personal reasons of some type. The social, photo op, pr kind of thing does not happen here very often if at all. Probably no surprise to you that I'm perfectly down with this and see no reason to change this, no?

As an aside, about the Police Chief in Phoenix, Jeri Williams - the jury is still out but to date she seems to try to be doing something. I am giving her credit for that much to date. Remains to be seen if Phoenix PD misbehavior continues or not, though.......my take is that it's probably going to continue, but for awhile longer, the Phoenix PD will be keeping a low profile. I've noticed since the brouhaha here began that police vehicles driving by me? They just zoom on by and don't stop to look/assess opportunities at predation. Given the very recent nature of this change, I'd say it has to do with police officers being directed to keep a low profile for the time being. Rob

I would prefer you not take part in this thread, Rob.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Yes, demonizing police is certainly not the answer. As someone with police in my family I am probably more sympathetic to them than most "liberals." I've known plenty of cops who are very decent guys. But I've also known some who were complete jerks. Especially when I was a small-town newspaper editor, I encountered plenty of cops who should not have been allowed within shouting distance of a firearm.

Better recruiting and training would undoubtedly help. My uncle, who is a retired police lieutenant, likes to point out that in Germany, a cop must be a college graduate, who in addition to the police academy receives a full year of close supervision from an experienced officer when he goes on the street.

I think a big part of the problem is plain fear. This country is so awash in every conceivable type of weapon that cops know any split second of hesitation could be their last. Sensible gun laws would help, although that genie is now so far out of the bottle that it might not make that much difference.I can understand to some degree your last paragraph. Due to the damnable second amendment there are an ocean of weapons drowning American society and I can understand where this would cause some fear in the Police. Surprise! I''m capable of some small degree of empathy on this issue - a very small degree. The problem? The police make weapons are vehicle of fear and terror themselves. Without going on and on and on this time, I'll rapidly summarize......about the fear of weapons? This street very much goes two ways, and society needs to focus more on the fear of the public from the Police and their weapons. Rob

[Teacher Terry]

Old, yes sensible gun laws would help and I like Germany’s requirements to be a police officer. It has always been a tough job and it’s gotten worse. There is no doubt that minorities are being targeted especially black men. If I had black sons I would train them to totally cooperative because you can always take legal action later if you are still alive. Although, in some instances they shoot first so nothing would help. I also have known some good cops through the years.

[Ultralight]

Rob, this thread is not for you.

[Simplemind]

After having worked more than 36 years with (first 10) and for (next 26) I have more positive stories than negative. There are bad cops and they should be dealt with but police in general are hard working people who came to the profession wanting to be of service and do. Police are generally thought of in a negative manner until you need one personally, then there is a high expectation of what is expected in their response and disappointment that things don't work out like the do on TV. They start out bright eyed and bushy tailed and become world weary by the end.
I can honestly say that it changed my idea on the way things work and how I looked at everything. I've learned to never judge on face value because rarely are things as simple as they seem. I was shocked at the amount of ugliness between people that most are unaware of. The media only reports the sensational which is only a fraction of what is going on. I always encouraged complainers to go out on a ride along to see first hand what was actually going on in their city.
When I first started in '76 guns rarely came out of the holster. By the time I retired gangs were thoroughly entrenched in our metro area and I can't remember a night with no calls responding to shots fired. One of my good friends was shot in the chest during a traffic stop. I'll never forget how calm he was on the radio as he put out the suspect information and called for cover. I also know several who were put in the position of needing to shoot a suspect. None were ever the same. Believe me, it is not a decision they ever want to have to make. Another friend, a sniper on SWAT had to take a shot where the suspect had a young boy by the throat with a knife. He got the suspect but the boy did not survive. He was overcome by the guilt of the outcome, he now works in another profession. Three I know have committed suicide.

By and large all I have known came into the profession wanting to serve and did so with honor. I have seen countless acts of compassion and generosity. I have seen professionalism in the face of horror and the private tears that come in the hours and days later. I have seen them keep in contact with the victims for years due to the bonds formed by tragedy. I have seen them marry and divorce, divorce, divorce. It isn't easy to put the job down at the end of the shift. It is no wonder they become their own closed society. They never feel off duty even when off duty. That 24/7 vigilance can take a toll.

They are human with all that implies but are expected to have the superhuman abilities in extraordinary circumstances. Now the scrutiny is overwhelming. They are leaving the profession in droves. I know several that have jumped over to Fire. My son's father was in patrol, SWAT, detectives, undercover drugs. He left and now works in construction and is happy and relaxed. He looked 10 years younger within months, he doesn't miss it. I sometimes miss being "in the know" but I don't miss the public negativity and the internal departmental stress that it causes. We are next to a large metropolitan city that is having a huge (frightening actually)staffing crisis. They can't get people hired and are now looking at changing the requirements. Good luck with that.

Hold the bad accountable but recognize that most are good trying to do their best in a profession that has changed radically in a few short years. A little bit of appreciation, kindness and support go a very long way. They do not deserve to be lumped together and painted with the same brush.

[Teacher Terry]

Thanks for sharing that SM. I had a friend that was a undercover cop in a motorcycle gang for a few years and then worked for the Stockton PD. Eventually he left to do executive protection. The stories he told were unbelievable.

[bae]

Well said, Simplemind.

[bae]

Those darned cameras....

https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/video-video-shows-man-behind-10m-phoenix-lawsuit-has-history-of-attacking-cops-I0Z4o8LuL0isO00xHTaV-Q/

[iris lilies]

Damn the cameras.

Son of famous actress claims racial profiling and illegal search of car by a police officer.

Cop-cam shows otherwise.

https://www.insideedition.com/headlines/10307-exclusive-officer-who-pulled-over-taraji-p-hensons-son-speaks-out

apology accepted by Police department.

[Ultralight]

Damn the cameras.

Son of famous actress claims racial profiling and illegal search of car by a police officer.

Cop-cam shows otherwise.

https://www.insideedition.com/headlines/10307-exclusive-officer-who-pulled-over-taraji-p-hensons-son-speaks-out

apology accepted by Police department.

Empire is a real cesspool.

[dado potato]

Ofc. Rain Dougherty, until recently of the San Francisco Police Department, was apparently not a violent offender.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/news/suspended-sfpd-officer-pleads-guilty-to-robbing-two-banks/

[bae]

I'm proud to call Doug my friend.

http://www.islandssounder.com/news/deputy-maya-receives-silver-star-for-bravery/

[Ultralight]

Ofc. Rain Dougherty, until recently of the San Francisco Police Department, was apparently not a violent offender.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/news/suspended-sfpd-officer-pleads-guilty-to-robbing-two-banks/

Not the proper thread for this link.

[Ultralight]

I'm proud to call Doug my friend.

http://www.islandssounder.com/news/deputy-maya-receives-silver-star-for-bravery/

Whoa! Good article. What a guy!

[iris lilies]

Ofc. Rain Dougherty, until recently of the San Francisco Police Department, was apparently not a violent offender.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/news/suspended-sfpd-officer-pleads-guilty-to-robbing-two-banks/
What is your intent in posting this here?

[iris lilies]

Empire is a real cesspool.

I never watch it I don’t watch network TV. I do like that actress because of a movie role she was in years ago, can’t think of the name of it

[happystuff]

Rob, this thread is not for you.

Has Simple Living Forums changed as to who can post what, when and where? This thread is even located in Open Forums.

[iris lilies]

Has Simple Living Forums changed as to who can post what, when and where? This thread is even located in Open Forums.
I agree with you, anyone, even Rob, can post here. I have never liked threads partitioned off to be only for certain posters or even for certain topics because I do like the meandering way topics evolve.


But the original poster is welcome to have his say and if he wants to say to Rob “hey stay off” he can do so. They are words, no one has any power to keep anyone off a thread except for a moderator whose powers are to delete. That won’t happen here.

[bae]

Starting a threat titled "why Rob is wrong", and then saying "no, Rob, you can't post here" seems....wrong.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Has Simple Living Forums changed as to who can post what, when and where? This thread is even located in Open Forums.Happystuff, I noticed this too and I Thank You for posting what you have here.

I didn't appreciate being told I was not welcome to post here - it was very much like being in high school all over again. On the other hand, I do post of topics that are controversial and I do have thick skin so I let it go and chose not to make a big deal about it.

What really does bother me, though? There is a poster here named Dado Potato who posts on a somewhat regular basis and does not post of controversial issues as I do. He too was shut down and I found that unacceptable and low - as I said, he does not post of controversial issues as I do. I was thinking of just throwing in the towel here but there are posters here I won't name who I do appreciate and I do enjoy reading their posts and this site has been a regular go to for me since I arrived here in 2005 and I'm not one to just throw things away.

As I said, I have thick skin and I do post of controversy so some of this comes with that territory, I get that (even though it was done in a very high school way). Seriously, though, I'm sure if we went back over all of my posts since 2005 at some point I'm sure I've sunk to this level, too.

I do believe Dado Potato is owed an apology and even though I'm not the one who shut Dado Potato down - for what it's worth - I personally am sorry that various posters here treated you this way. I would not do that to you, personally, and I'm sorry others did.

Thank You for hearing me out on this - it's been bothering me. It's not like life or death to be honest and real - it's just that I do have a number of years here as a regular poster and I don't like seeing another regular poster - especially one who has not dabbled in controversy as I have - slammed.

That's all, I've said my piece. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Starting a threat titled "why Rob is wrong", and then saying "no, Rob, you can't post here" seems....wrong.Bae, I know we have had our differences over the years but for what it's worth, I do respect you for your stance here. Thank You. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I've come back to say one final thing in as minimally a Drama Queen way as possible. If it's really that horribly unacceptable that I had the gall to come back here and post and personally apologize for the slamming of poster Dado Potato, seriously, do I belong here anyway? It's very true that there are core posters here that I have sparred with and that I don't see eye to eye with - but I have not to date sunk to the level of you are not welcome to post here due to your stances/beliefs - even to the posters who have really swung their stick at my pinata in this forum. I'd advocate for a little more tolerance......have I not managed to avoid crossing this line myself over the years (and trust me, I've been tempted to on more than one occasion).

I could go on and on as is my penchant but for what point? I've made my take and my stance clear. Rob

[bae]

What "slamming" did you observe?

[gimmethesimplelife]

What "slamming" did you observe?If you'll go back over this thread Bae, you'll find that Dado Potato posted a link to a story of a SF PD officer who robbed two banks apparently. Without naming names (no reason to as all you have to do is go over posting history if you so wish), one poster advised DP that this was not the proper thread for such a post (to me this is a slam as it states that any discussion not in agreeance is unwelcome) and another poster asked point blank what was the intent of DP's posting such a link in this thread. (also another slam, as it is a bit hostile towards any non-agreement). Once again, DP has not dabbled in the controversial as I have and the second instance above? Was posted courtesy of a moderator on this board......now I have no desire to be a moderator here again but as I was shut down in this role (and I'm not saying this person should be booted as moderator, either, please understand that) I gotta ask why this is acceptable and not called out? Once again, especially since DP has not dabbled (or even gone into the 7 foot section of the pool as I admit I have) with controversy. Rob

[bae]

That doesn't seem a slam. Those seemed like requests for clarification, as the link was posted with little explanation, and seemed different than the topic of the thread.

[gimmethesimplelife]

That doesn't seem a slam. Those seemed like requests for clarification, as the link was posted with little explanation, and seemed different than the topic of the thread.Fair enough, bae. Fair enough. I don't agree with you one iota - but I do respect your right to see this situation as you wish. Fair enough. Rob

[iris lilies]

This exchange is hilarious!

So far, in a thread that Rob has been asked not to participate in, Rob has 7 responses. I have 6 Posts including this one that only tallies responses and has no substantive content, and Original poster has only 5 posts.

This is really funny to me, to be filed under “humans they be cwaaazy!”

[bae]

This exchange is hilarious!


There you go, slamming people again!

[bae]

https://nypost.com/2016/07/10/thank-you-for-being-heroes-wounded-dallas-mom-thanks-cops/

[bae]

https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/484301006-Slain-Mo-officer-remembered-as-dedicated-caring/

[bae]

https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/484278006-Sacramento-police-officer-was-marble-wrapped-in-velvet/

[Teacher Terry]

I find it ridiculous that Rob was asked not to post and the response to Dado. People go off topic all the time on threads.

[iris lilies]

I find it ridiculous that Rob was asked not to post and the response to Dado. People go off topic all the time on threads.


Really?

I still don’t know what dado potato intended giving that link in this thread, but I think it was a joke, as in “ even bad cops arent always bad” or something like that.

But it also could mean “ bad cops everywhere you turn, even at the bank where they are robbing you, but at least they arent killing you.”

see my confusion? Is his intent obvious to you? So, what is it?

[Teacher Terry]

I really don’t care what his intent was. Look at all the crazy twists and turns threads take.

[happystuff]

I agree with you, anyone, even Rob, can post here. I have never liked threads partitioned off to be only for certain posters or even for certain topics because I do like the meandering way topics evolve.


But the original poster is welcome to have his say and if he wants to say to Rob “hey stay off” he can do so. They are words, no one has any power to keep anyone off a thread except for a moderator whose powers are to delete. That won’t happen here.

And you know "that won't happen here." because you are a moderator?

[gimmethesimplelife]

I really don’t care what his intent was. Look at all the crazy twists and turns threads take.Talk about crazy twists and turns in threads, TT.....your post above makes me think of the first time I watched one of my favorite movies of all time....Rebecca from 1940 with Joan Fontaine and Lawrence Olivier (sp?). At the very beginning when Joan Fontaine is narrating and setting up the beginnings of the plot before you see her supposedly on the coast of Monaco about to meet Olivier - she says that phrase in just such a way "twisting and turning" that you remember it for some reason. Beyond that Olivier is so handsome I could just sit there and watch the movie with the volume off (and have once, actually).......how's that for a crazy twist and turn in this thread LOL? Rob

[Alan]

And you know "that won't happen here." because you are a moderator?She's an Administrator. There are two and I'm the other, so yeah, that's how she knows.

[gimmethesimplelife]

And you know "that won't happen here." because you are a moderator?I am no longer a moderator here and I agree that due to my fondness for controversial topics it is for the best for this board that I am not one. No problem there. That said, were I a moderator, I would have stepped in and said something. No slam on Alan or any of the mods here - I'm just saying this is what I would have done were I in that position, which I am not, and agree it is for the best that I am not nor will be.

Different strokes, different folks, etc, is my point. Different people would have handled this differently. When I first arrived here in 2005 there was a very liberal bunch running the show here - I'm guessing IL will remember that? They would have handled this differently, too - probably taking it further than I would have. But it's all good, no real harm done. Rob

[happystuff]

She's an Administrator. There are two and I'm the other, so yeah, that's how she knows.

Good to know. Thanks for answering.

[Alan]

When I first arrived here in 2005 there was a very liberal bunch running the show here - I'm guessing IL will remember that? They would have handled this differently, too - probably taking it further than I would have. But it's all good, no real harm done. Rob
LOL, yes they definitely would have taken it further, much further, that's why we don't anymore.

[gimmethesimplelife]

LOL, yes they definitely would have taken it further, much further, that's why we don't anymore.LOL Yes here you are right, for once I totally agree with you. Whatever you may make of me, one thing is true regardless - I would not have gone as far as they would have. And I would have gotten over it a lot faster, too.......Rob

[Teacher Terry]

Alan, I am glad this forum is so hands off. It improves the forum.

[iris lilies]

https://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/484301006-Slain-Mo-officer-remembered-as-dedicated-caring/


Yes, this was a sad one. The policeman was just following up on a transaction at a store.

[iris lilies]

Saint Louis police investigated a big drug ring in the public housing projects two blocks from my house. They made arrests, and closed it down one year ago.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/troubled-st-louis-housing-complex-was-at-center-of-drug/article_7380b64e-0e34-5375-80c1-a6864a7c62a9.html

The Housing project residents there are still killing their kids, though. A ten year old died this afternoon over there. Tragic. Not unusual, sadly.

https://www.ktrs.com/child-fatally-shot-at-clinton-peabody-housing-complex/

[Teacher Terry]

IL, I couldn’t live that close to all those issues. No easy answer.

[Ultralight]

Has Simple Living Forums changed as to who can post what, when and where? This thread is even located in Open Forums.

No, I don't think policies have changed.

[Ultralight]

Starting a threat titled "why Rob is wrong", and then saying "no, Rob, you can't post here" seems....wrong.

I actually think it is totally acceptable to tell someone they are wrong.

And I never said Rob could not post here.

[Ultralight]

Happystuff, I noticed this too and I Thank You for posting what you have here.

I didn't appreciate being told I was not welcome to post here - it was very much like being in high school all over again. On the other hand, I do post of topics that are controversial and I do have thick skin so I let it go and chose not to make a big deal about it.

What really does bother me, though? There is a poster here named Dado Potato who posts on a somewhat regular basis and does not post of controversial issues as I do. He too was shut down and I found that unacceptable and low - as I said, he does not post of controversial issues as I do. I was thinking of just throwing in the towel here but there are posters here I won't name who I do appreciate and I do enjoy reading their posts and this site has been a regular go to for me since I arrived here in 2005 and I'm not one to just throw things away.

As I said, I have thick skin and I do post of controversy so some of this comes with that territory, I get that (even though it was done in a very high school way). Seriously, though, I'm sure if we went back over all of my posts since 2005 at some point I'm sure I've sunk to this level, too.

I do believe Dado Potato is owed an apology and even though I'm not the one who shut Dado Potato down - for what it's worth - I personally am sorry that various posters here treated you this way. I would not do that to you, personally, and I'm sorry others did.

Thank You for hearing me out on this - it's been bothering me. It's not like life or death to be honest and real - it's just that I do have a number of years here as a regular poster and I don't like seeing another regular poster - especially one who has not dabbled in controversy as I have - slammed.

That's all, I've said my piece. Rob

Rob, my feeling is that you are not welcome on this thread.

Regarding Dado Potato's post, I felt it was inappropriate for this thread, so I expressed my opinion on that in a reply. That is all.

[Ultralight]

...do I belong here anyway?

In my opinion, yes, you definitely belong on this forum. I hope that you stay on here for as long as you like and that you express yourself.

But again, I am stating my preference regarding this thread; my preference is that you not post on this thread.

[Ultralight]

I find it ridiculous that Rob was asked not to post and the response to Dado. People go off topic all the time on threads.

I stand by asking Rob not to post here. It is within my rights to ask him not to post here.

Dado's post seemed inappropriate for this thread, so I expressed that feeling to Dado. Again, I am within my rights.

[Teacher Terry]

UL, your attitude is following a predictable pattern as you have demonstrated many times in the past. Ugh!

[iris lilies]

I am happy and satisfied that everyone is allowed in our space here to express their thoughts and feelings about the thoughts and feelings of others. Human relations are not always smooth. Really, it is all ok! Even Rob being wrong most all of the time is ok!

Ha ha

[Ultralight]

UL, your attitude is following a predictable pattern as you have demonstrated many times in the past. Ugh!

Do tell.

[Ultralight]

I am happy and satisfied that everyone is allowed in our space here to express their thoughts and feelings about the thoughts and feelings of others. Human relations are not always smooth. Really, it is all ok! Even Rob being wrong most all of the time is ok!

Ha ha

I would never tell Rob he is not allowed to post anywhere. I simply would prefer he not post on this thread. I did not make this thread for him.

He can post as much as he wants here. I would just prefer he post zero times.

As for other threads, I encourage him to make posts.

[iris lilies]

I would never tell Rob he is not allowed to post anywhere. I simply would prefer he not post on this thread. I did not make this thread for him.

He can post as much as he wants here. I would just prefer he post zero times.

As for other threads, I encourage him to make posts.
Well, to be accurate, you dont have authority to tell Rob not to post because you dont have any power to back it up.

But I understand you were expressing your desire that he not post here. To me that is a harsh message but it is not a mean message.

Related, I took my unstable friend out to lunch a couple weeks ago and I gave her the harsh message that I do not support her in running for any officer positions for our organization. I want her to know that because I didn’t want her to count on my nominating her, voting for her, or helping her in office.Hard to hear, but not mean.

[Ultralight]

Well, to be accurate, you dont have authority to tell Rob not to post because you dont have any power to back it up.

Even if I had that authority I would not use it. Rob has done nothing that I would deem so bad he needs to be officially banned from this or any thread.

[iris lilies]

Even if I had that authority I would not use it. Rob has done nothing that I would deem so bad he needs to be officially banned from this or any thread.

Agreed. Persistent wrong -headedness is not a banning offense.:~)

[Teacher Terry]

UL, when your life is going well you are nicer, you post interesting topics, etc. When it’s not you get mean, petty and argumentative. I know I have mentioned this before.

[Ultralight]

UL, when your life is going well you are nicer, you post interesting topics, etc. When it’s not you get mean, petty and argumentative. I know I have mentioned this before.

How do you know when my life is going well and when it is not?

[Teacher Terry]

Easy to tell from your posts. You didn’t get the job you wanted by Chicago and you really want a partner. You really dislike your job. You seem like a different person when you are happier.

[Ultralight]

Easy to tell from your posts. You didn’t get the job you wanted by Chicago and you really want a partner. You really dislike your job. You seem like a different person when you are happier.


I have been getting rejected from jobs for months now -- some I really wanted. The Chicago job is a setback, but my life has been mostly setbacks. I keep getting up, dusting myself off, and moving forward. I am like the pinata that keeps getting hit but never gives up the candy! haha

I do really dislike my job, but I mostly dislike the management. I can do a boring job. But when wacky and incompetent managers are running the show you really feel like you want to leave. haha Trust me!

As for wanting a partner... uh, yeah. That'd be nice. But it is not like I have ever been romantically successful during the time I have been on this forum. So I don't know what you are comparing.

If anything, I am more content being single now. And I feel like I have gained some insights and some more reasonable expectations for if I meet someone.

[Ultralight]

Easy to tell from your posts. You didn’t get the job you wanted by Chicago and you really want a partner. You really dislike your job. You seem like a different person when you are happier.

You are really putting all those human services degrees to good use on me.

[iris lilies]

IL, I couldn’t live that close to all those issues. No easy answer.

I will never forget, NEVER, the social worker who was a part of the design meetings for Public Housing Failed Attempt #3.0 up the street from me.

She was slim, blonde, pretty, nicely dressed, and had a 2 carat diamond ring flashing on her hand. I will bet she left those meetings, got into her husband- subsidized BMW every night to drive out to the chichi suburb where she lived. She wasnt gonna live in this ‘hood, among the riffraff. But that didn't stop her from pointing out in clear ringing tones how much those housing project residents valued “their beautiful community” and how us urban pioneers needed to get over our desire for low occupancy numbers and new builds that didnt hurt our eyes. Underlying message: you white people are racist and we dont care what you think.

so yeah, you are not alone.

As I’ve said many times here, my multi-year experiences with public housing up the street and the federal government’ s HUD department and officials, attitudes and actions of public housing residents, and those who advocate and work within it all caused me to turn from pulling the Democratic lever to the Republican lever in the polling booth. I will never go back. My neighborhood has been fooked over so many times by these people. A pox on them.

edited to add: in the interest of factual reporting, I truly do not know where this lecturing blonde social worker lived. Maybe she did live in the city. Dont know if she drove a BMW. i do know that the head of the housing projects did drive a big, expensive, German car since we saw her regularly. Blech

[Ultralight]

I will never forget, NEVER, the social worker who was a part of the design meetings for Public Housing Failed Attempt #3.0 up the street from me.

She was slim, blonde, pretty, nicely dressed, and had a 2 carat diamond ring flashing on her hand. I am quite certain she left those meetings, got into her husband- subsidized BMW every night to drive out to the chichi suburb where she lived. She wasnt gonna live in this ‘hood, among the riffraff. But that didn't stop her from pointing out in clear ringing tones how much those housing project residents valued “their beautiful community” and how us urban pioneers needed to get over our desire for low occupancy numbers and new builds that didnt hurt our eyes. Underlying message: you white people are racist and we dont care what you think.

so yeah, you are not alone.

As I’ve said many times here, my multi-year experiences with public housing up the street and the federal government’ s HUD department and officials, attitudes and actions of public housing residents, and those who advocate and work within it all caused me to turn from pulling the Democratic lever to the Republican lever in the polling booth. I will never go back. My neighborhood has been fooked over so many times by these people. A pox on them.

I think some social workers do great work. And I applaud them!

I just happened to notice during my year in an MSW program that most of the folks going into social work had major problems. Some were "unstable." Some were from well-to-do backgrounds or -- like your example above -- married well and needed some cause to advocate for because they were bored but self-righteous and well-taken care of.

[Ultralight]

...caused me to turn from pulling the Democratic lever to the Republican lever in the polling booth. I will never go back.



I could never do that. hahaha
I am dyed in the wool liberal.

[iris lilies]

I could never do that. hahaha
I am dyed in the wool liberal.
Never say never. . We may get you yet, my pretty!

[iris lilies]

I have been getting rejected from jobs for months now -- some I really wanted. The Chicago job is a setback, but my life has been mostly setbacks. I keep getting up, dusting myself off, and moving forward. I am like the pinata that keeps getting hit but never gives up the candy! haha

I do really dislike my job, but I mostly dislike the management. I can do a boring job. But when wacky and incompetent managers are running the show you really feel like you want to leave. haha Trust me!

As for wanting a partner... uh, yeah. That'd be nice. But it is not like I have ever been romantically successful during the time I have been on this forum. So I don't know what you are comparing.

If anything, I am more content being single now. And I feel like I have gained some insights and some more reasonable expectations for if I meet someone.

is that Chicago job actually gone?

[Ultralight]

is that Chicago job actually gone?

Just a little bit ago I emailed the hiring manager who I had been corresponding with through the process. I explained the situation (how the HR lady say she would call me back but never did). I expressed my continued interest in the position and asked her to advise me what to do because it has been well over a week with no word.

Nothing back yet.

I think they are just going to ignore me.


Tomorrow I see a sublet apartment that has 4 months left on the lease. So maybe I can get that and start applying all over again. Sucks, but nothing else I can do.

[bae]

Pure trolling behaviour, directed at a specific member. In a thread named after that member.

This is simple bullying.



And I never said Rob could not post here.



I would prefer you not take part in this thread, Rob.


Rob, this thread is not for you.


Rob, my feeling is that you are not welcome on this thread.




But again, I am stating my preference regarding this thread; my preference is that you not post on this thread.


I stand by asking Rob not to post here. It is within my rights to ask him not to post here.

[Ultralight]

This is simple bullying.

I disagree.

[Geila]

And UL wonders why he can't find a mate... :confused:

[Ultralight]

Pure trolling behaviour, directed at a specific member. In a thread named after that member.

This is simple bullying.

Let me get this straight. A person who has no power, no authority, and who has not asked for power or authority and has not invoked the power or authority of anyone else and who has said if he had that power or authority he would not use it to ban Rob is bullying?

"And I never said Rob could not post here."

True statement.

"I would prefer you not take part in this thread, Rob."

Just my preference.

"Rob, this thread is not for you."

Expressing my opinion.

"Rob, my feeling is that you are not welcome on this thread."

Feelings are not facts.

"But again, I am stating my preference regarding this thread; my preference is that you not post on this thread."

Again -- just my preference!

"I stand by asking Rob not to post here. It is within my rights to ask him not to post here."

Yeah, I asked him not to post here. He does not have to do what I ask.

[bae]

Let me get this straight.


Come on now.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Folks.....I'm taking the high road and exiting this thread for good. There is nothing I could post that would not inflame or escalate. Rob

[Teacher Terry]

Rob, someone just jumped on the crazy train and it’s not you:)). UL’s last few posts have me laughing it’s so ridiculous.

[Ultralight]

And UL wonders why he can't find a mate... :confused:

Kind of a mean-spirited thing to say.

[catherine]

I, too, am disappointed at the tone in this thread, so here's my way of jumping off:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGt9jAkWie4

I wasn't going to even look, just based on the title, and I should have gone with my instinct.

[razz]

Well said, Cath. I second that thought.

[bae]

Ice cream party time.

[Alan]

https://tribunist.com/news/nypd-officers-being-doused-in-water-having-buckets-thrown-at-them-while-patrolling-neighbors-laugh-video/?utm_source=delta&fbclid=IwAR1bC75DFyEw7Poc5e606F5d-W1a3rYY9JVSLJHUBUQK7f_a3vmMNltzakU

[iris lilies]

I wasn’t even looking for instances of police harassment ( policemen being harassed, to make this clear) today, I was just looking into the police department of Hermann MO where our chief of police is an African-American man. The African-American population of Hermann is about, oh I don’t know, 1%. Anyway, the guy has to endure this sh*t


https://www.officer.com/command-hq/news/12334824/missouri-police-chief-suing-over-tainted-pizza

[Teacher Terry]

IL, that’s horrible. It really makes you wonder what is wrong with people?

[JaneV2.0]

IL, that’s horrible. It really makes you wonder what is wrong with people?

I ask myself that at least once a day.