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Hoping the third time will be the charm, the Dems seem intent on getting a reluctant Mueller to reparse his report into something more compliant with their preferred narrative of “we was robbed”. He seems to be hewing to the line of “I meant what I said and I said what I meant”.
There certainly seems to have been some Russian skullduggery on the previous administration’s watch, what with all those leaky servers and trolling. I don’t know if that was a major factor in the outcome or not. Nor can I say if all those Steele dossier inspired wiretaps had any impact.
Is it wrong of me to enjoy the show?
iris lilies
7-24-19, 9:38am
Hoping the third time will be the charm, the Dems seem intent on getting a reluctant Mueller to reparse his report into something more compliant with their preferred narrative of “we was robbed”. He seems to be hewing to the line of “I meant what I said and I said what I meant”.
There certainly seems to have been some Russian skullduggery on the previous administration’s watch, what with all those leaky servers and trolling. I don’t know if that was a major factor in the outcome or not. Nor can I say if all those Steele dossier inspired wiretaps had any impact.
Is it wrong of me to enjoy the show?
Be my guest to enjoy it.
I think it is all boring and I tune out when hearing “Trump and Russians” and/or “Hilary and .Russians” and “ Mueller” and etc. I just cannot summon interest since it looks like a tennis game, the volleys.
Wait until you see the show coming in the UK as Bojo, as he is called, takes on Iran, Brexit, Europe, Scotland and the UK electorate. Trump will probably contribute his pennyworth as well to this debacle.
Be my guest to enjoy it.
I think it is all boring and I tune out when hearing “Trump and Russians” and/or “Hilary and .Russians” and “ Mueller” and etc. I just cannot summon interest since it looks like a tennis game, the volleys.
I think it’s interesting to see the strategies pros employ to try getting someone to say what they want them to say, or making an argument under the guise of asking a question.
I watched most of the show, it was interesting to watch the attempts to justify the Democrats desire to impeach. I don't think it worked but it was fine entertainment.
Act 2 beginning at 1pm after a short intermission. I've stocked up on popcorn.
frugal-one
7-24-19, 3:10pm
The little that I watched.... Mueller indicated that if anyone else did what Trump has done they would have been jailed (or already have been). The part I saw was where Republicans just gave a diatribe instead of asking questions. I found it offensive that there was talk of impropriety of the Investigators/Agents. I was a Special Agent and KNOW what type of scrutiny and background checks are done. I was not with the Justice Department but still had to have extensive security and background checks. Also, had to do an oath of office, as I am sure they did. The Republicans are just looking for any possible justification because they know Trump is in deep.
I'm listening to the audio version of Craig Unger's House of Trump, House of Putin, which outlines decades of mob activities, both American and Russian, that Trump was peripheral to. I'm only about halfway through it, but it's depressing. It seems we have Russian hands around our collective throat. (And, thanks to McConnell, we're not even going to bother to investigate. Of course not; Russia is on his side.)
I'm convinced Trump could commit murder on the White House lawn and then sodomize the corpse and half the country would applaud. What crime, exactly, could justify impeachment for these people? Never mind, rhetorical question.
What crime, exactly, could justify impeachment for these people? Never mind, rhetorical question. What crime have you got?
I think the Democrats are gonna have to give up their impeachment dreams, at least with this as a basis. It's turning into a nothing-burger.
The little that I watched.... Mueller indicated that if anyone else did what Trump has done they would have been jailed (or already have been).
I watched the whole thing and must have missed that part.
I was not with the Justice Department but still had to have extensive security and background checks. Also, had to do an oath of office, as I am sure they did. Me too.
I found it offensive that there was talk of impropriety of the Investigators/Agents. Mueller found one senior investigator's impropriety so heinous he was removed from the investigation. I'll bet he was offended too.
What crime have you got?
I think the Democrats are gonna have to give up their impeachment dreams, at least with this as a basis. It's turning into a nothing-burger.
Repeated obstruction of justice, witness tampering, etc.
frugal-one
7-24-19, 4:47pm
Mueller found one senior investigator's impropriety so heinous he was removed from the investigation. I'll bet he was offended too.[/COLOR]
Who was that? How many of Trump's cabinet members have been removed from office and are now in jail or being investigated? I think it is 6???? Trump filled his cabinet with "friends' and associates. That tells you the type of person he is.
My wish is that the Republicans find a better candidate for 2020. Trump needs to be out of office. Wait... if he is ousted, he most likely will be put in jail (unless he finds a way to buy his way out).
Who was that?
Agent Peter Strzok
How many of Trump's cabinet members have been removed from office and are now in jail or being investigated? I think it is 6???? None. The closest to a cabinet position was Michael Flynn who served as a National Security Advisor. The other 5 were personal associates or members of the Trump campaign.
My wish is that the Republicans find a better candidate for 2020.
Me too, although I'm now of the opinion you have to be crazy to run for President so I'd hate to see someone I respected subjected to that.
I didn't get much out of it. A bunch of slick politicians using lawyer rhetoric to advance their argument and complicated questions trying to get Mueller to trip up. I saw one report saying he looked out of it and had to ask several questions be repeated. Some questions were long, complicated, and used double negatives that I honestly had trouble following, and ultimately the answers could be quoted directly from the report.
Rep Lieu: "I'd like to ask you again, the reason again, you did not indict president trump is because of a longstanding tradition that you not indite a standing president, correct?"
Mueller: "That is correct."
Rep Lieu: "I'd like to ask you again, the reason again, you did not indict president trump is because of a longstanding tradition that you not indite a standing president, correct?"
Mueller: "That is correct."
He addressed that in the second hearing, clarifying his statement:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/did-mueller-mean-trump-could-be-indicted-when-he-leaves-n1033901
In Mueller's opening statement that came later before the House Intelligence Committee, the former special counsel said he wanted to "correct the record" on his exchange with Lieu.
"That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime."
i guess even special prosecuters have freudian slips once in a while. The other question that we should all be asking is whether it’s a good idea to have a justice department policy that creates an imperial presidency. Surely that wasnt the original intention of the policy, but when it was created no one expected that we’d have a political party that prioritizes political power over their oath to uphold the constitution.
The whole episode should teach Congress, especially those Constitution-loving, truth-committed and disinterestedly objective Democrats, what every middle manager learns early: you don’t subcontract your core functions.
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