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gimmethesimplelife
8-26-19, 9:03pm
A judge in Oklahoma today fined the blue chip J and J over 1/2 billion dollars due to J and J's role in the opioid epidemic in the state of Oklahoma. Wow! I'm amazed to see J and J held accountable. Anyone else surprised?

This epidemic has made it's mark in the 85006, that is for sure......I'm happy to see J and J fined so heavily. And this is just the state of Oklahoma......will more states follow OK's example?

What do you'all think? Rob

Yppej
8-26-19, 9:18pm
I am not surprised, and other drug companies weren't either or they would not have settled out of court prior to this verdict.

bae
8-26-19, 9:20pm
I haven't been following the case, so am unfamiliar with the facts.

Alan
8-27-19, 9:44am
I think the assumption that everyone who abuses something is a victim is interesting, and not in a good way. Pharma is one of the most highly regulated industries in the world, making it necessary for them to strictly adhere to multiple agency guidelines and oversight. There is no evidence that J & J, Purdue or Teva violated any law or guideline from the FDA, DEA or various states Boards Of Pharmacology. It actually appears their biggest crime is having deep pockets, and there's now legal precedent to use against everyone else.

As a society, I often think we're our own worse enemy.

JaneV2.0
8-27-19, 10:36am
So anyone who uses pharmaceuticals as prescribed and becomes addicted (as Pharma executives calculated they would) is either an irresponsible druggie or a whiner. Got it.

Alan
8-27-19, 10:41am
So anyone who uses pharmaceuticals as prescribed and becomes addicted (as Pharma executives calculated they would) is either an irresponsible druggie or a whiner. Got it.Not anyone, but some, especially the ones I'm related to.

And I don't think even the state of Oklahoma alleges calculation. I'd think they would if they could.

LDAHL
8-27-19, 10:46am
I think the assumption that everyone who abuses something is a victim is interesting, and not in a good way. Pharma is one of the most highly regulated industries in the world, making it necessary for them to strictly adhere to multiple agency guidelines and oversight. There is no evidence that J & J, Purdue or Teva violated any law or guideline from the FDA, DEA or various states Boards Of Pharmacology. It actually appears their biggest crime is having deep pockets, and there's now legal precedent to use against everyone else.

As a society, I often think we're our own worse enemy.

It’s a common world view.

Abuse drugs? Blame Big Pharma.

Abuse credit? Blame the “banksters”.

Can’t retire? Blame Wall Street.

Overweight? Blame Big Sugar.

Can’t compete? Somebody somewhere is rigging the game.

Offended? Somebody isn’t censoring the right people.

Get angry. Say “ilk” a lot. Collect grievances and identify villains. Any will do. The Electoral College. The eighteenth century slave trade. The NRA. 8Chan. C-corps. Organized Religion. The Bill of Rights. The Rich. The Russians. The Republicans. Tech Titans. The Patriarchy. White male straight guys, living and dead.

JaneV2.0
8-27-19, 12:37pm
Not anyone, but some, especially the ones I'm related to.

And I don't think even the state of Oklahoma alleges calculation. I'd think they would if they could.

I've read a little about the Sacklers; I'd say there was a lot of calculation involved. Pharma has a history of underhanded dealings in the name of greed.

Patients can get hooked within days of their first dose of opioids. I wouldn't touch them under any circumstances I can think of.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20170316/opioid-dependence-can-start-in-just-a-few-days#1

Alan
8-27-19, 12:39pm
It’s a common world view.

Abuse drugs? Blame Big Pharma.

Abuse credit? Blame the “banksters”.

Can’t retire? Blame Wall Street.

Overweight? Blame Big Sugar.

Can’t compete? Somebody somewhere is rigging the game.

Offended? Somebody isn’t censoring the right people.

Get angry. Say “ilk” a lot. Collect grievances and identify villains. Any will do. The Electoral College. The eighteenth century slave trade. The NRA. 8Chan. C-corps. Organized Religion. The Bill of Rights. The Rich. The Russians. The Republicans. Tech Titans. The Patriarchy. White male straight guys, living and dead.
Yes, progressivism does seem to be on the rise.

Alan
8-27-19, 12:51pm
I wouldn't touch them under any circumstances I can think of.

I had oral surgery recently and had antibiotics and pain medication prescribed. The pain medication turned out to be 12 hydrocodone pills (a Schedule II narcotic), all of which are still in the bottle. I'm only telling you that because you don't know where I live. I'm not concerned with addicts breaking in to steal them, it's the people I know who just like taking them that force me to keep that sort of thing to myself.

Teacher Terry
8-27-19, 1:10pm
I have had pain pills after surgery and they just put me to sleep. I never take them more than a few days but make the difference from laying awake in pain or sleeping. I can’t imagine wanting to feel that way all the time.

JaneV2.0
8-27-19, 1:25pm
It seems the lucky ones are those who react badly to their first dose--like my SO and a friend's husband.

You can take any unused medications back to the pharmacy, I understand. (And even if you lived in my basement, you wouldn't have to worry about me. I wouldn't even pinch the few drugs I approve of. :~) )

gimmethesimplelife
8-27-19, 2:06pm
So anyone who uses pharmaceuticals as prescribed and becomes addicted (as Pharma executives calculated they would) is either an irresponsible druggie or a whiner. Got it.Thank You, Jane. I could not agree with your point more. Rob

Simplemind
8-27-19, 4:20pm
A well patient isn't a paying patient. My doctor kept me on meds for 22 years saying they were no different than insulin for a diabetic. He actually referred to me as the poster child for benzos because I never needed to go up in dosage. For years I battled so many other physical ailments not for once thinking it was coming from the drugs I was taking as prescribed. I finally figured it out on my own and got off them - on my own. It was interesting finding out he was getting kickbacks from the drug companies for prescribing. I recently had heart to hearts with my GP and the specialists he sent me to asking why none of them ever challenged the drug history in my symptoms.

befree
9-1-19, 11:15am
Doctors getting any kind of kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies is highly illegal and strictly regulated, besides being immoral. If you want to go back to the original drive for prescription narcotics, it was consumer pressure to rate pain as "the fifth vital sign." Americans don't want to feel any amount of pain, physical or emotional, and the worst that pharmaceutical companies did was market to that desire. Now we as a society have created a huge problem. Those who will suffer most are those with severe, chronic pain who actually are well-served by narcotics prescribed judiciously and used wisely.

Tybee
9-1-19, 11:38am
Doctors getting any kind of kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies is highly illegal and strictly regulated, besides being immoral. If you want to go back to the original drive for prescription narcotics, it was consumer pressure to rate pain as "the fifth vital sign."

I disagree with the second point. Do not think that was it. I also think the first point is important, but that docs actually do get kickbacks, or have in the past, illegal or immoral or not.

jp1
9-1-19, 3:07pm
but that docs actually do get kickbacks, or have in the past, illegal or immoral or not.

They just don’t call it kickbacks. That sounds so unseemly...

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/

bae
9-1-19, 3:14pm
If you want to go back to the original drive for prescription narcotics, it was consumer pressure to rate pain as "the fifth vital sign."

I see a large number of people in the back of ambulances. They need meds.

As far as "the fifth vital sign", well, pain is quite helpful in diagnosis. So yes, it is a vital sign of sorts.

befree
9-2-19, 5:42pm
The "propublica" website cites several doctors as having received MILLIONS in payments. Does that make sense? I googled my own name and, much to my surprise, I received "payments" (which I can assure you I did not). Take propaganda with a grain of salt, guys.