Justin Trudeau’s Blackface Problem

[LDAHL]

Should this sort of thing be a career ender?

Is it better or worse for him that he has rung the social justice bell and let slip the dogs of woke as often as he has in the past?

Is there a statute of limitations for youthful stupidity?

Isn’t it great that somebody other than an American embarrassed his country for a change?

[Alan]

I heard him the other day say it wasn't racist when he did it (several times). I understand he's also currently on his 'Mammy' apology tour. Judging by the audience, they're eating it up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIaj7FNHnjQ

[iris lilies]

“The dogs of woke” will entertain me for days.

[razz]

Confession- I think he is a poor leader with limited political skills. It isn't just his blackface episode of his teens and also a brownface of a 29 year teacher but other bloopers that show that he is mainly interested in appearances. Is it a political requirement? Apparently, his costume when visiting India as the Prime Minister of Canada was quite inappropriate and offended some in India. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/02/22/trudeaus-india-outfits-an-over-the-top-fashion-faux-pas-internet-decides.html

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should youthful indiscretions carry an impact into the future?

Some questions. When is the term youthful applied? How is the seriousness of the offence determined? By whom?

A 29 year old is not a youth, IMO. If the offender continues to commit similar bloopers demonstrating poor judgement and shows continuing inclinations to repeat such offences, he should be booted. The opposite behaviour as an adult showing restraint, careful judgement and thougtfulness after poor choices as a youth, should correct the one episode. Multiple episodes?

[Tybee]

Youthful is all about context. To me Beto seems youthful, but I'm in my 60's.

[Alan]

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should youthful indiscretions carry an impact into the future?

I'm a live and let live kinda guy so I vote No, youthful indiscretions should not follow a person forever. But that's conditioned on the premise that we all learn from our mistakes as we age. I'm not impressed with the Prime Minister's very recent subliminal attempt to let us know that "black people are some of my best friends" by changing his Twitter profile pic to one of him speaking with a black man. I'm sure there'll be a lot of pressure among the liberal party in Canada to live and let live, but I'm not yet sure it's deserved.

[LDAHL]

Youthful is all about context. To me Beto seems youthful, but I'm in my 60's.

Yes. The older I get, the more young people seem to proliferate.

[LDAHL]

Confession- I think he is a poor leader with limited political skills. It isn't just his blackface episode of his teens and also a brownface of a 29 year teacher but other bloopers that show that he is mainly interested in appearances. Is it a political requirement? Apparently, his costume when visiting India as the Prime Minister of Canada was quite inappropriate and offended some in India. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/02/22/trudeaus-india-outfits-an-over-the-top-fashion-faux-pas-internet-decides.html

I deleted other comments to stay on topic of :
should youthful indiscretions carry an impact into the future?

Some questions. When is the term youthful applied? How is the seriousness of the offence determined? By whom?

A 29 year old is not a youth, IMO. If the offender continues to commit similar bloopers demonstrating poor judgement and shows continuing inclinations to repeat such offences, he should be booted. The opposite behaviour as an adult showing restraint, careful judgement and thougtfulness after poor choices as a youth, should correct the one episode. Multiple episodes?

Canadian elections astonish me. Forty days from start to finish? What if you blink and miss it? Your cable news people must be close to starvation.

Isn’t it confusing that the right wingers call themselves the People’s Party?

[Gardnr]

I have mixed feelings. I think this is poor judgment and yes, he was very young. Is it OK because there was no physical harm? Was emotional harm incurred at the time?

Kavenaugh's physical thus long-term emotional violation of women is being written off as an old event that's statute of limitations has run out. So he got his big job.

No one gets to go back and undo poor decision-making and how these play out as adults is a mixed bag of forgiveness and persecution.

If I believed in his platform and that he was qualified to be my leader, I would support him inspite if this.

[iris lilies]

I have mixed feelings. I think this is poor judgment and yes, he was very young. Is it OK because there was no physical harm? Was emotional harm incurred at the time?

Kavenaugh's physical thus long-term emotional violation of women is being written off as an old event that's statute of limitations has run out. So he got his big job.

No one gets to go back and undo poor decision-making and how these play out as adults is a mixed bag of forgiveness and persecution.

If I believed in his platform and that he was qualified to be my leader, I would support him inspite if this.
Well you brought it up, so —I don’t understand why Brett Kavanaugh’s p e n i s or crotch is supposed to be of interest to everybody all the time. It was a news story last week.


I was only half listening to the radio and a story came up about his crotch in some girl’s face. My thoughts were in this sequence


1) Is this radio report a rerun from the Kavannagh hearings of a year ago?
2) No? Then this must be new Brett outrage based on his recent actions as an adult
3) No? So We are supposed to be shocked when frat boys act like frat boys as described in someone’s book
4) Nope.
5) Next.

[Alan]

1) Is this radio report a rerun from the Kavannagh hearings of a year ago?
2) No? Then this must be new Brett outrage based on his recent actions as an adult
3) No? So We are supposed to be shocked when frat boys act like frat boys as described in someone’s book
4) Nope.
5) Next.
I thought this was an interesting story this past week. It seems the allegations show up in a book someone wants to sell although the victim of the alleged crotch in the face claim doesn't remember it happening. What made the story news was the New York Times reporting on the claim and failing to disclose the fact that there was no actual victim of the action.

I can't really blame people for believing silly stuff like this when our institutions such as the press abandon objectivity and assume the mantle of activism. The NYT should append their motto with the qualifier "and then some."

[razz]

When one thinks of all the errors or omissions of accountability that so many leaders from around the world have been discussed on this site and elsewhere, Trudeau's behaviour, while totally inappropriate, can hardly be considered similar.

[Gardnr]

When one thinks of all the errors or omissions of accountability that so many leaders from around the world have been discussed on this site and elsewhere, Trudeau's behaviour, while totally inappropriate, can hardly be considered similar.

Right?

[LDAHL]

I thought this was an interesting story this past week. It seems the allegations show up in a book someone wants to sell although the victim of the alleged crotch in the face claim doesn't remember it happening. What made the story news was the New York Times reporting on the claim and failing to disclose the fact that there was no actual victim of the action.

I can't really blame people for believing silly stuff like this when our institutions such as the press abandon objectivity and assume the mantle of activism. The NYT should append their motto with the qualifier "and then some."

Yes, but as one of the authors said, the story had the ring of truth. BK was also a “known bro”. What more proof do you need?

[iris lilies]

Yes I did later learn the context of this new Brett p e n i s story, and it is that the NYT acted badly and that is apparently the real news story.

But I put this all into the same category of “news” as Frat boys acting like frat boys shouldn't surprise us. The NYT acting like the NYT, same deal. Well ok maybe we should ezpect more from the NYT, most of the time anyway.

[frugal-one]

Yes I did later learn the context of this new Brett p e n i s story, and it is that the NYT acted badly and that is apparently the real news story.

But I put this all into the same category of “news” as Frat boys acting like frat boys shouldn't surprise us. The NYT acting like the NYT, same deal. Well ok maybe we should ezpect more from the NYT, most of the time anyway.

Frat boys acting like frat boys is bullshiiiittt! Shows his character and feeling towards women. In the same category as trump talking about grabbing women by their......

[Alan]

Frat boys acting like frat boys is bullshiiiittt! Shows his character and feeling towards women.
If you think he's bad, just wait until the next Supreme Court nominee, I understand they'll be much worse.

[Tammy]

Back in the late 70s in rural Ohio half of my high school class was in black face for our school musical. Including me. It did not feel wrong to me then. I was 16 or so. Not that I agree with it anymore, but it’s not just a few people who made these mistakes. It’s systemic.

[Alan]

Back in the late 70s in rural Ohio half of my high school class was in black face for our school musical. Including me. It did not feel wrong to me then. I was 16 or so. Not that I agree with it anymore, but it’s not just a few people who made these mistakes. It’s systemic.
I believe this trend of calling out cultural/racial appropriation and the like is goofy. But anyone using it as a cudgel, deserves the bruises when it's turned back on them.

[Yppej]

No one in my high school wore blackface, but each year to raise money for their class trip the seniors would be auctioned off on slave day. You had to do whatever your master told you like wash their car. If you didn't want to be a slave you could bid on yourself.

[Tammy]

I forgot! Our youth group had an annual slave auction. I had black cousins about 8 years younger than me. I wonder how it went when they were old enough to be in youth group. I’ll have to ask them someday.