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What a crap show.
So a truck driver who delivered to our warehouse was found out to be carrying a pistol concealed. Dude has his carry permit. Apparently his shirt rode up when he leaned down to open the door on the trailer.
Everyone lost their collective mind. Warehouse worker who saw it called 911 and then called a manager over. Idiot warehouse worker told dispatcher there was a guy with a gun. Everyone ran out of the building. I went to my car where my pistol is (I can keep it there per handbook). Cops get there and the real story comes out - driver had concealed pistol that was seen accidentally. Managers want driver charged with carrying on the property, but cops tell them they’re out of luck since there weren’t any “no guns” signs at all.
So they go out and get some generic “no guns” signs. Call a meeting with everyone and say that if they see anyone with a gun, even holstered, have to call the cops.
The kicker is that the “no guns” signs carry NO force of law in IL. The signs have to show very specific graphics, plus have to show the specific wording from IL, plus the citation of where in IL law it’s mentioned. I talk to my manager and supervisor privately and tell them this. If they intend on prosecuting anyone found carrying on the property, they have no legal leg to stand on with the generic signs. Boss explodes at me. She calls in the warehouse manager who was the one who picked up the signs. She has me tell him about the signs. He explodes at me. Says he has his carry permit and knows all about the IL law. I pull up the specific information about the signs online. He tells me it looks very bad that I know exactly where to find this info.
Warehouse manager is angry enough that he calls HR on me. Mind you, he has no authority over me. HR told him to go pound sand.
The people I work with are just absolutely effing stupid. My manager calls me a busy body for telling them they had the wrong signs. Mind you, I brought it up privately, so not to cause anyone embarrassment for getting the wrong signs, instead of speaking up in the meeting with all employees present. I asked her if she would have preferred I waited until someone else was caught carrying and they couldn’t prosecute due to having the wrong signs. No answer to that.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I'm sorry you got the brunt of their silliness, Tradd.
flowerseverywhere
9-25-19, 4:18pm
Sounds nuts. You could have saved them lots of hassle if they did call the cops for no good reason.
They had knee jerk reaction to the whole thing beginning with the warehouse guy who told the cops there was a guy with a gun. The truth was a heck of a lot different. They lack common sense.
This could have ended very badly for the poor truck driver if your coworkers had been especially lurid in their 911 call :-(
This could have ended very badly for the poor truck driver if your coworkers had been especially lurid in their 911 call :-(
Yep. Thought of that. :(
Yep. Thought of that. :(
I got "swatted" once by some short-term vacation renters next door, who called in a "man with a gun" on me.
I was on my mother's property, with an air rifle. Which I was going to use for agricultural pest control.
Luckily, all the sheriff's deputies here know me.
happystuff
10-11-19, 7:53am
If I saw someone with a weapon, I would definitely say something. If the person has a permit to carry, fine, but chances are I will see the weapon and not the permit. I would rather err on the side of "see something, say something" than "see something, say nothing, tragedy results".
There is a massive difference between telling the cops “there is a man with a gun under his jacket” and “a man with a gun.”
happystuff
10-11-19, 8:24am
There is a massive difference between telling the cops “there is a man with a gun under his jacket” and “a man with a gun.”
Well, that may make a difference to you, but, again, if I see a person with a weapon - under a jacket/in a hand/etc - I still see a weapon and I will still say something.
If someone is carrying legally and has the necessary documents, then they should have no problem clearing things with the proper authorities. But if you are going to carry, you should probably expect that someone will "say something".
Teacher Terry
10-11-19, 12:23pm
Sorry you got treated terrible for helping out. We have concealed carry here. If I see someone with a gun I am leaving and telling the store why.
So if concealed carry is not prohibited in a store (they have no signs up), someone’s shirt rides up and their pistol shows by accident, you’re reporting them to the store?
Would you do the same if you happened to see a badge on the belt? Some jurisdictions require officers to carry 24/7 off duty?
Jesus Christ.
I have met the enemy.
I don't understand what you are saying, Tradd. How would an onlooker know whether or not the person had a permit to carry?
Is a person who reports someone else as having a gun an enemy?
I carried a concealed weapon every day for years and years and years, and still do at times. I've carried concealed in grocery stores and department stores and movie theaters and restaurants, in taxi cabs and airports and public streets and gas stations. I usually knew when people noticed I was carrying, which to be honest wasn't very often, but no one ever reported me to anyone. I doubt TT would have either.
Teacher Terry
10-11-19, 1:10pm
I am letting the store or restaurant know why I am not shopping there. One of our casinos ha shootout between rival gangs. Now club colors can’t be worn inside. I am not calling the police but I can let where I do business talk.
I am letting the store or restaurant know why I am not shopping there. One of our casinos ha shootout between rival gangs. Now club colors can’t be worn inside. I am not calling the police but I can let where I do business talk.
About 5% of the population of Nevada have a concealed carry permit. That's 5% of the total population, not just those of a legal age without restrictive disability. Nevada also honors concealed carry permits from 30 other states and your area gets lots and lots of tourists.
With that in mind, where can you make your statement and still be able to acquire goods or services?
Teacher Terry
10-11-19, 3:43pm
First of all I have never seen a weapon in 22 years. Not making a statement. The only people I care to see with guns are the police. In Italy they have 2 different types of police forces. One of them carried automatic weapons and it did make me uneasy.
happystuff
10-11-19, 4:34pm
So if concealed carry is not prohibited in a store (they have no signs up), someone’s shirt rides up and their pistol shows by accident, you’re reporting them to the store?
Yes.
And the reason behind that "yes" answer is simply because I don't know if that person is carrying legally; I don't know whether they are in the store to fire that gun at one or more people, or not.
Would you do the same if you happened to see a badge on the belt? Some jurisdictions require officers to carry 24/7 off duty?
That would depend on where I am, if I actually SEE a badge, etc. etc.
You can play the "what if" game with all kinds of scenarios, but when it comes right down to it, I will do as my initial post stated.
You are giving me the impression that you believe I am against people legally carrying concealed weapons. Well, I am not. If people feel the need to carry for personal protection, safety, whatever reason - if they are carrying legally, that is their right. And in this day and age, with the increase in gun violence, I also have the right to do what I feel I must do to keep safe and that means to say something when I see something. My suggestion would be that if someone is carrying a legally concealed weapon and doesn't want to be reported, they should make sure it stays concealed.
Jesus Christ.
Based on my own personal observations, I believe Jesus Christ seems to be staying out of gun control issues.
Police investigate calls of "armed individual" quite frequently around here.
And in this day and age, with the increase in gun violence, ....
What increase?
The rate seems to be way *down* over time. It's about 1/3 what it was in the 1980s.
happystuff
10-11-19, 5:16pm
What increase?
The rate seems to be way *down* over time. It's about 1/3 what it was in the 1980s.
Okay, point made and I'll take your word for it, because I am not going to go looking for statistics.
So I will re-phrase - "with the increase *I* am seeing in gun violence..."
Thank you for pointing it out.
Teacher Terry
1-31-20, 10:39am
So locally a guy was in Walmart open carrying both a gun and a vest full of ammunition. Someone called the police and it turns out that he didn’t have a permit and was a felon. No clue what his intent was but it’s another case where it pays to say something and not just assume that he has a permit and is a good guy.
So locally a guy was in Walmart open carrying both a gun and a vest full of ammunition. Someone called the police and it turns out that he didn’t have a permit and was a felon. No clue what his intent was but it’s another case where it pays to say something and not just assume that he has a permit and is a good guy.
I think that's a good thing. We all have to be situationally aware, I think.
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