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gimmethesimplelife
10-21-19, 5:03pm
This is a hard question for me in Arizona. Of course my infamous zip code is liberal in a state reputed to be red. Thankfully. Arizona is no longer as conservative as it once was - lots of Californian money moving here - and I've read that Arizona may actually be a 2020 battleground state.
So some of both but it's easy to stat in liberal areas of town. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-21-19, 5:04pm
Should be stay in liberal areas above.
The little city I live in is maybe 50/50, although I find I can travel anywhere in town without breaking out in hives.
This is a hard question for me in Arizona. Of course my infamous zip code is liberal in a state reputed to be red. My SIL lives about 15 minutes away from you. When I asked her about your infamous zip code she asked me what made it infamous, I told her I was hoping she could tell me. We're both at a loss.
catherine
10-21-19, 5:19pm
Vermont is "Strongly Liberal" but my county "Leans Liberal"
https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/vermont/grand_isle
gimmethesimplelife
10-21-19, 5:31pm
My SIL lives about 15 minutes away from you. When I asked her about your infamous zip code she asked me what made it infamous, I told her I was hoping she could tell me. We're both at a loss.Gilbert? Chandler? One of the depressing everything looks exactly the same overpriced SE Valley suburbs? Just a guess. Nothing makes the 85006 infamous - I refer to it as infamous only because I've mentioned it so often. It's just a gentrifying but at it's heart lower end close in neighborhood. All US cities have them.....even Portland did when I lived there. Rob
iris lilies
10-21-19, 5:32pm
Are you equating liberal or conservative with blue and red voting activity?
I occasionally look at voting tallies in my precinct and it is overwhelmingly blue, but I live in a red state. It was a pretty strong red state I would say.
Teacher Terry
10-21-19, 6:20pm
We were conservative when I moved here. Slightly liberal now and last 3 elections my county voted Democrat. Alan, which Democrats do you think can beat trump?
Alan, which Democrats do you think can beat trump?
The rational ones. The trouble is they have little chance of getting the nomination, with Buttigieg being the outlier. His status as an openly gay man gives him an advantage with the far left that his policy positions do not. I think he could easily beat Trump if the Democrats give him a chance.
And--best of all--he's not a woman. :moon:
And--best of all--he's not a woman. :moon:
What do you have against women?
Is San Francisco is only leans liberal, what do you consider liberal jp1?
Should be stay in liberal areas above.
You can edit a comment. FYI
Liberal town in a severely RED state.
Is San Francisco is only leans liberal, what do you consider liberal jp1?
Maybe seattle? They seem pretty similar to us but seem to have done a better job on affordable housing, which in my mind is a pretty core liberal issue. I also havent heard about seattleites showing as much antagonism towards the homeless. Admittedly that last issue may be a false perception on my part since i dont live there and consequently dont follow their local news as closely as san francisco’s. .
rosarugosa
10-22-19, 7:04am
I live in a very blue state, but apparently my town is quite red. Trump was the top vote-getter in the last presidential election. The town has also taken a NIMBY stance on marijuana dispensaries.
My state is considered a swing state. I think Denver metro probably leans liberal, but Colorado Springs shows up on lists of the most conservative cities in the country due their population of military and evangelical Christians. It's probably counter balanced by the free republic of Boulder. My acquaintances are probably an equal split.
I live in the most progressive county in the state.
Seems like its mixed in most urban areas. I am in Texas now and just saw the most ludicrous pickup - covered in pro gun and Trump stickers. And this in the midst of liberal Austin. Back in Co Springs, things lean conservative for old timers, ie old white males, but newcomers are stirring the pot. I have yet to meet the highly religious, conservative folk it has a reputation for. Mostly balanced.
dado potato
10-22-19, 5:12pm
Out of curiousity, I did a bing search on "Infamous Zip Code"...
53206 came up. That Zip Code is an area of Milwaukee on the west side of I-43 surrounding the Union Cemetery. Some have called it the "most incarcerated Zip Code", and the there have been arguments about the way in which "most-incarcerated" was measured. The area was the subject for a 2015 documentary Milwaukee 53206,
The homicide rate reportedly was 250 per 100,000
Marc V. Levine wrote a paper (linked below) about conditions in the neighborhood 2000-2017, including:
… Males age 25 - 54 employed 49.7%
… … … employed full-time 46%
… The median annual earnings of all workers $18,541.
… Between 2000 - 2017 the inflation-adjusted median household income dropped by 25%.
… 62% of renter households paid over 35% of their incomes on rent.
http://uwm.edu/ced/milwaukee-53206-the-anatomy-of-concentrated-disadvantage
Out of curiousity, I did a bing search on "Infamous Zip Code"...
53206 came up. That Zip Code is an area of Milwaukee on the west side of I-43 surrounding the Union Cemetery. Some have called it the "most incarcerated Zip Code", and the there have been arguments about the way in which "most-incarcerated" was measured. The area was the subject for a 2015 documentary Milwaukee 53206,
The homicide rate reportedly was 250 per 100,000
Marc V. Levine wrote a paper (linked below) about conditions in the neighborhood 2000-2017, including:
… Males age 25 - 54 employed 49.7%
… … … employed full-time 46%
… The median annual earnings of all workers $18,541.
… Between 2000 - 2017 the inflation-adjusted median household income dropped by 25%.
… 62% of renter households paid over 35% of their incomes on rent.
http://uwm.edu/ced/milwaukee-53206-the-anatomy-of-concentrated-disadvantage
Up until this year, my family lived in the Milwaukee suburbs. Our Parish partnered with a food pantry/service organization run by a fearless nun in that area, where my wife and I periodically worked. It’s as bad as that article paints it.
iris lilies
10-23-19, 6:24pm
Out of curiousity, I did a bing search on "Infamous Zip Code"...
53206 came up. That Zip Code is an area of Milwaukee on the west side of I-43 surrounding the Union Cemetery. Some have called it the "most incarcerated Zip Code", and the there have been arguments about the way in which "most-incarcerated" was measured. The area was the subject for a 2015 documentary Milwaukee 53206,
The homicide rate reportedly was 250 per 100,000
Marc V. Levine wrote a paper (linked below) about conditions in the neighborhood 2000-2017, including:
… Males age 25 - 54 employed 49.7%
… … … employed full-time 46%
… The median annual earnings of all workers $18,541.
… Between 2000 - 2017 the inflation-adjusted median household income dropped by 25%.
… 62% of renter households paid over 35% of their incomes on rent.
http://uwm.edu/ced/milwaukee-53206-the-anatomy-of-concentrated-disadvantage
What do you want to bet that ZIP Code is very very blue? As are those around it.
I can see that’s working pretty well for them.
dado potato
10-23-19, 7:17pm
What do you want to bet that ZIP Code is very very blue? As are those around it.
I can see that’s working pretty well for them.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that those residents who are felons will not be able to vote. By one estimate, that would be 62% of the adult males in that Zip Code.
"Very Blue"? I understand this refers to voting Democratic.
As to how well this is working... ? … If the residents vote Blue next time, they must believe it is working better than the alternative. Time will tell.
The Republican Party of Milwaukee County is alive and well.
10/15 they held "Women for Trump" - Meet Amelia Heup
10/18 they held "Keep America Great Dinner" - Meet Senator Johnson and Congressman Sensenbrenner" etc.
10/19 they held "Defending Our Future Trap Shoot and Reception"
Milwaukee residents can look forward to 11/7 "The Comprehensive Case that President Trump is Innocent".
and other coming events.
iris lilies
10-23-19, 8:29pm
Up until this year, my family lived in the Milwaukee suburbs. Our Parish partnered with a food pantry/service organization run by a fearless nun in that area, where my wife and I periodically worked. It’s as bad as that article paints it.
We could have a dick swinging contest but I will concede that Mikwaukee ZIP Code may be worse than any one single one in St. Louis but I wouldn’t place bets about it. My city is clearly the biggest and the baddest overall. Yay, us! In this chart of the top homicide rates across the world The only US city in the top 20 is St. Louis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
One chart I remember from years ago had my own ZIP Code in the top 100 worldwide for homicides in zips and comparable areas.
The residents of Public Housing two blocks away contribute mightily to the murder and death rate here in my zip code. They just killed another set of kids there last weekend with a fire that took place in the absence of adults. The kids were ages 2, 4, 5.
iris lilies
10-23-19, 9:04pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that those residents who are felons will not be able to vote. By one estimate, that would be 62% of the adult males in that Zip Code.
"Very Blue"? I understand this refers to voting Democratic.
As to how well this is working... ? … If the residents vote Blue next time, they must believe it is working better than the alternative. Time will tell.
The Republican Party of Milwaukee County is alive and well.
10/15 they held "Women for Trump" - Meet Amelia Heup
10/18 they held "Keep America Great Dinner" - Meet Senator Johnson and Congressman Sensenbrenner" etc.
10/19 they held "Defending Our Future Trap Shoot and Reception"
Milwaukee residents can look forward to 11/7 "The Comprehensive Case that President Trump is Innocent".
and other coming events.
Dado have you forget that I live in an old industrial Midwestern city, A stronghold of Democrats for decades? I can assure you that whatever the Republican Party is doing in this city or likely in Milwaukee doesn’t show it to be “alive and well.” It is present but just barely.
And I think you know or should know that “Time will tell “ us 53206 with its unfortunate residents only gets worse.
I find your post about this ZIP Code in Milwaukee to be odd and random.
Maybe if the republicans presented an alternative to democratic leadership in either St Louis or Milwaukee that voters thought would be better than the way things currently are the voters would vote republican. Admittedly, in order to be successful that alternative would have to be somewhat at odds with the national republican platform of 'cities are shithole places filled with lazy minority welfare queens'.
iris lilies
10-23-19, 10:17pm
Maybe if the republicans presented an alternative to democratic leadership in either St Louis or Milwaukee that voters thought would be better than the way things currently are the voters would vote republican. Admittedly, in order to be successful that alternative would have to be somewhat at odds with the national republican platform of 'cities are shithole places filled with lazy minority welfare queens'.
Could you link to that plank on the last national Republican platform or any Republican platform of the past few years, please?
ToomuchStuff
10-24-19, 2:45am
Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that those residents who are felons will not be able to vote. By one estimate, that would be 62% of the adult males in that Zip Code.
Correction:
https://www.wicriminaldefense.com/blog/2018/november/can-felons-vote-in-wisconsin-/
Could you link to that plank on the last national Republican platform or any Republican platform of the past few years, please?
I’d suggest just about any of donald trump’s hate-fests.
Maybe if the republicans presented an alternative to democratic leadership in either St Louis or Milwaukee that voters thought would be better than the way things currently are the voters would vote republican. Admittedly, in order to be successful that alternative would have to be somewhat at odds with the national republican platform of 'cities are shithole places filled with lazy minority welfare queens'.
When in doubt, or if you just run out of arguments, just shout “racist”.
When in doubt select as the leader of your party a man who blames all your problems on people who don’t look like you.
Cities run almost exclusively by Democratic Party politicians have had many terrible problems before Trump, and look likely to continue doing so long after he is gone. I can see the attraction of trying to distract from that sad performance by insisting how bad the other people are.
I’d suggest just about any of donald trump’s hate-fests.
Or Mitt Romney's snotty "47 percent" speech.
Ass.
Or Mitt Romney's snotty "47 percent" speech.
Ass.
Could I suggest a designation of 'Snotty but accurate'?
dado potato
10-24-19, 10:33am
I stand corrected. Thank you, Toomuchstuff.
JaneV2.0
10-24-19, 11:58am
Could I suggest a designation of 'Snotty but accurate'?
You can suggest anything you want. His snottiness--born of top-level privilege--doesn't define me or the millions who vote for Democrats.
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.--Mitt Romney, September 17, 2012
Or Mitt Romney's snotty "47 percent" speech.
Ass.
I never understood the outrage there. It would seem to be obvious that people who depend on government support and who do not pay taxes would have very little incentive to limit taxes. It would then be reasonable to say that the GOPs best prospects would be among people who do pay taxes. In other words, a government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.
It’s not like he called anybody deplorable.
JaneV2.0
10-24-19, 12:24pm
I never understood the outrage there. It would seem to be obvious that people who depend on government support and who do not pay taxes would have very little incentive to limit taxes. It would then be reasonable to say that the GOPs best prospects would be among people who do pay taxes. In other words, a government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.
It’s not like he called anybody deplorable.
That's hilarious, considering how so many Republicans avoid taxes by fair means or foul. I've paid more than my share all my working life (and beyond), like most Democrats and Independents. And, IMO, those taxes should be used for the good of the people--not to enrich arms manufacturers or fossil fuel magnates.
Cities run almost exclusively by Democratic Party politicians have had many terrible problems before Trump, and look likely to continue doing so long after he is gone. I can see the attraction of trying to distract from that sad performance by insisting how bad the other people are.
As almost anyone who has ever worked in a corporate environment has been told at one time or another, don't bring problems, bring solutions.
That's hilarious, considering how so many Republicans avoid taxes by fair means or foul. I've paid more than my share all my working life (and beyond), like most Democrats and Independents. And, IMO, those taxes should be used for the good of the people--not to enrich arms manufacturers or fossil fuel magnates.
Who gets to decide what “ more than my share is”?
You can resent rich people, you can resent some of the purposes taxes are used for and you can resent people who don’t share your view of what “the good of the people” means.
But all that resentment detracts nothing from the simple logic of the statement that people who benefit from taxes are unlikely to support politicians who wish to limit them.
ApatheticNoMore
10-24-19, 12:39pm
Cities run almost exclusively by Democratic Party politicians have had many terrible problems before Trump, and look likely to continue doing so long after he is gone.
completely irrelevant your honor. Yes they have their problems but Trump is objectively and inarguable adding other problems on top of their problems that are due ENTIRELY to the Trump administration. Like clean air standards were Not The Problem. Increased asthma rates etc. due to pollution, is not going to be the solution to anything at all.
It's like saying one had a problem with a mean boss say that made life miserable 5 days a week, so therefore the person who ran you over with a car bears no responsibility for hitting you with their car, because it's not like you had NO problems before afterall ..
As almost anyone who has ever worked in a corporate environment has been told at one time or another, don't bring problems, bring solutions.
We could start by breaking the monopoly power of public employee unions. Remove zoning, rent control and other barriers to increasing the stock of housing. Cut back on regulatory and tax regimes that make doing business so difficult. Enforce the law vigorously. Stuff like that.
completely irrelevant your honor. Yes they have their problems but Trump is objectively and inarguable adding other problems on top of their problems that are due ENTIRELY to the Trump administration. Like clean air standards were Not The Problem. Increased asthma rates etc. due to pollution, is not going to be the solution to anything at all.
It's like saying one had a problem with a mean boss say that made life miserable 5 days a week, so therefore the person who ran you over with a car bears no responsibility for hitting you with their car, because it's not like you had NO problems before afterall ..
So the proper response to “our cities have been poorly served by Democratic governance” is “Trump is bad”?
ApatheticNoMore
10-24-19, 1:14pm
So the proper response to “our cities have been poorly served by Democratic governance” is “Trump is bad”?
I don't think cities are served well by Republican governance either (not that there are that many examples as cities tend to be Dem. So we might have to look at states and red states have a lot of problems I wouldn't want to go anywhere near either. I mean states that put work requirements on Medicaid, making sick people work, that actually cost the government more than NOT HAVING work requirements on Medicaid? >8)).
But yes Trump is bad.
ApatheticNoMore
10-24-19, 1:25pm
Remove zoning, rent control and other barriers to increasing the stock of housing.
I don't think this is what anyone who actually studies affordable housing has recommended almost but ok ... well maybe on the zoning they might agree, building small apartments in residential areas (wasn't that the Minneapolis plan, wait isn't that a Dem city?). However, it's the NIMBY crowd (not the Dems per se) that always fights to keep single family zoning and not allow multi-family, and they have a lot of power.
Besides the fact that rent control has not been that widespread anyway so it may not be the solution, but it's a poor a scapegoat for the cause of the problem.
Cut back on regulatory and tax regimes that make doing business so difficult. Enforce the law vigorously. Stuff like that.
this assumes the business climate is a problem in what, cities? It's not, they are economic engines (whether this is good or not, eh well that's a discussion very far afield). But since when is the problem there is no business in cities? If that was really truly the case there wouldn't be a GLOBAL trend toward moving to cities. Affordable housing yes, LIVING WAGE jobs sometimes, yes, but no business? Really?
I’m in the Chicago area. Unfortunately still in Crook County. Liberal as f**k. However some of Crook County suburban areas have a history of being fairly conservative.
I know lifelong libs who despise the Crook County Dems. They have a history of being corrupt. This state is second only to Louisiana for corruption.
IL seems to delight in being the CA of the Midwest. Anything CA tries, IL is sure to follow sooner or later.
I’m in the Chicago area. Unfortunately still in Crook County. Liberal as f**k. However some of Crook County suburban areas have a history of being fairly conservative.
I know lifelong libs who despise the Crook County Dems. They have a history of being corrupt. This state is second only to Louisiana for corruption.
IL seems to delight in being the CA of the Midwest. Anything CA tries, IL is sure to follow sooner or later.
I was born on the North Side and grew up in the suburbs during the Daley (senior) years. My mother’s people were Division Street Irish who always insisted JFK was levitated into office by Daley Machine magic.
States could do far worse than to emulate California, which has the fifth-strongest economy in the world and is running a budget surplus.
States could do far worse than to emulate California, which has the fifth-strongest economy in the world and is running a budget surplus.
US News, that inveterate ranker, put California at 42nd place for fiscal stability and 49th for opportunity. They have some long term structural issues with debt, deferred infrastructure maintenance and unfunded pension and health care obligations. Fifth largest doesn’t mean fifth strongest.
How is the power grid working in California these days?
How is the power grid working in California these days?
I'm only marginally interested in California's power grid, but it seems PG&E admits starting another wildfire. I'm thinking they should sell out to the state or otherwise can their management.
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