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gimmethesimplelife
12-4-19, 9:17am
I just read online that women want Trump impeached by 18 point margin over men. Wow. A). I have to side with women on this one, and B). This is why I believe he won't be reelected....too many independents and women who voted for him in 2016 will turn on him in 2020. What do you'all think? Rob
I think that will hinge on three things:
The state of the economy over the next eleven months.
The degree of awfulness of the Democratic candidate.
How Trump conducts his public self between now and the election. His greatest fear should be his itchy twitter finger.
ToomuchStuff
12-4-19, 10:10am
How do I do an up arrow?
The above, plus, would really need to see the stats and how the questions are (remember how to lie with statistics?).
I expect that is people who are already Democrats, and not the independents or other voters you seem to believe it is by your writing. But that is also supposition on my part. If it isn't, then your swimming in the same fish bowl, year after year, running down the same old ground, how we found ourselves here (sorry Pink Floyd), in the same position as 2016.
Teacher Terry
12-4-19, 1:36pm
The problem I see for the Democrats now is I don’t see any of the candidates as particularly appealing to the masses.
The problem I see for the Democrats now is I don’t see any of the candidates as particularly appealing to the masses.
Mayor Pete doesn't seem too terrible.
ApatheticNoMore
12-4-19, 1:54pm
I don't know why anyone assumes they know absolutely which candidate might be appealing to the masses, it's usually via projection but one's experience is seldom universal, it often is very very far from (and hint: none of them are going to appeal to everyone, period) so it all depends on who one sees as likely to be important to vote I guess (the old, the young, blacks, Hispanics, the white working class, non-voters, the professional middle class, blue collar workers in the rust belt etc.).
Truthfully it's mostly a complete waste of time, this ridiculous fortune telling that has replaced just voting for a candidate you like (or like better at least if one doesn't like any but is going to vote anyway).
gimmethesimplelife
12-4-19, 1:57pm
The problem I see for the Democrats now is I don’t see any of the candidates as particularly appealing to the masses.I like Pete B. - and not only for the obvious reason (he's an out gay man), as he is seemingly sane and well behaved and capable of educated, adult speech. What his chances are, I just don't know. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
12-4-19, 1:59pm
Mayor Pete doesn't seem too terrible.Agreed 100%. Gotta say as much as I slam this country, I an grateful to be alive at a time when an out gay man is running for President. Rob
ApatheticNoMore
12-4-19, 2:06pm
He's unqualified though, he's a mayor of a small town, that's his resume. He'd have to have the best advisers out there. Or a VP with power, haha thinking Cheney but actually needless to say W had experience, governor of a large state is not small town mayor.
Mayor Pete doesn't seem too terrible.
His Achilles Heel is his low polling among black Democrats.
dado potato
12-4-19, 2:52pm
Latest poll November 25-26, reported by Reuters:
47% of Americans favor impeachment,
including 8 in 10 Democrats. 1 in 10 Republicans and 4 in 10 Independents.
40% are opposed to impeachment,
including 1 in 10 Democrats, 8 in 10 Republicans, and 5 in 10 Independents.
I assume that 13% of the respondents were undecided.
This data suggests the country is polarized on the question of impeachment... tribe versus tribe.
flowerseverywhere
12-4-19, 3:06pm
Mayor Pete doesn't seem too terrible.
i bet he even has the best words ever.
actually, his multilingual combat veteran self is really great. His lack of experience didn’t seem to bother Trumpers, though last election. He does poll low with the black community, and from what I have read he seems to liken gay discrimination with the appalling black slavery legacy. Correct me if I’m wrong on that one. Like people here would not.
on the other hand, people are loving this demonization of illegals. Because of all the illegal benefits, free medical and housing they steal off the middle class taxpayers per the Trump mantra. But many fail to realize that the ultra wealthy and big companies have made a killing and it’s not trickling down. Pensions are dwindling while medical costs more, many more are uninsured, the student loan mess isnot being helped by the Trump administration. Guns and abortion we could argue for eternity and no one is happy.
I can say say one thing, after failure to answer subpoenas, twisting the Muller and impeachment reports, if the democrats do take the majority in all three branches there will be a rude awakening for the republicans and their false dramatic outrage. Their treatment of Vindman and others has been rude and demeaning. Why would they all lie?
He's unqualified though, he's a mayor of a small town, that's his resume. He'd have to have the best advisers out there. Or a VP with power, haha thinking Cheney but actually needless to say W had experience, governor of a large state is not small town mayor.
People said Obama was unqualified too. How exactly does one determine ‘qualified’. Based on the requirements set forth in the constitution he’s qualified.
People said Obama was unqualified too. How exactly does one determine ‘qualified’. Based on the requirements set forth in the constitution he’s qualified.
That’s true. It’s not like a phlebotomist or a dog groomer; you don’t pass a licensing process. I suppose even a governor doesn’t face the same spectrum of experiences. The only real qualification is being a natural born, 35 year old citizen with at least 270 votes in the Electoral College.
That’s probably a good thing. You don’t want some elite that thinks of itself as a meritocracy determining what the proper credentials should be.
He's unqualified though, he's a mayor of a small town, that's his resume. He'd have to have the best advisers out there. Or a VP with power, haha thinking Cheney but actually needless to say W had experience, governor of a large state is not small town mayor.
A conservative friend of mine who lived in Texas told me that unlike other places the governorship there was largely ceremonial. She liked Bush but not because of his supposed experience.
ApatheticNoMore
12-4-19, 7:31pm
People said Obama was unqualified too. How exactly does one determine ‘qualified’. Based on the requirements set forth in the constitution he’s qualified.
Held a position in the House or Senate (aka actual elected experience in the Federal government) or at least governorship of a larger state (although maybe W had no real experience there, not that familiar with Texas government). I mean sure we can say Trump is qualified based on those conditions, but that is not a definition of qualified that would apply to any other job. People just don't want to believe experience matters. Obama was a Senator, he may not have done much as one, but he wasn't a mayor (and we're not even talking mayor of a big city here).
I like Pete and also Amy Klobuchar. If we're talking moderates that appeal more to the masses and middle America, those would be my picks. The others it's kind of like, hold your nose and vote against Trump from what I've seen so far.
Bloomberg sounded good to me last weekend.
I can say say one thing, after failure to answer subpoenas, twisting the Muller and impeachment reports, if the democrats do take the majority in all three branches there will be a rude awakening for the republicans and their false dramatic outrage. Their treatment of Vindman and others has been rude and demeaning. Why would they all lie?
If the democrats do in fact hold onto the house, take back the senate, and win the presidency next year I will publicly acknowledge that Ldahl was right, and I was wrong, with regards to the strength of our institutions.
Undoing the damage of political hack judges like "justice" beer, however, will likely take quite a bit longer than next year.
If the democrats do in fact hold onto the house, take back the senate, and win the presidency next year I will publicly acknowledge that Ldahl was right, and I was wrong, with regards to the strength of our institutions.
Would any other result than an electoral sweep for the Democrats be evidence of faulty institutions?
Or are you perhaps expecting some sort of coup?
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