Florida and rising seas

[flowerseverywhere]

Here is a big surprise. The NY Times had an article today about choices Keys governments are going to have to make. First of all, this is a very Republican State and many elected government officials are climate change deniers. It’s all a liberal hoax you know. See Rick Scott and Marco Rubio for examples. They tout personal responsibility. There is no State income tax and the laws are very friendly for rich people, many of whom live along the coast. Anyway, many people in the keys and along to coast and in the Keys want “the government” to save them. If you can access The NY Times the quotes from residents are especially telling I can’t seem to link it. If not, I added several articles to explain the problem.



https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/12/04/florida-keys-officials-roads-homes-lost-sea-level-rise/ (https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/12/04/florida-keys-officials-roads-homes-lost-sea-level-rise/)



https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4

who is responsible for building roads, dams, canals which eventually the water will breach?

[happystuff]

Sad to say that only events like this are going to convince some (probably not all) people the coming climate changes are real. Now that climate change is starting to hit people's pocketbooks, I think the conversations may start to change.

[Gardnr]

It's good to be inland one state with 1 home at 2700f elevation and a 2nd at 5000f. Either way we could be waterfront>8)

[jp1]

An interesting study came out yesterday on this topic. Apparently the models for climate change starting decades ago were quite accurate, but for the fact that they didn't accurately predict the level of greenhouse gases that would be emitted in the coming years. Correcting the old studies with the now known quantities of greenhouse gases renders most of them quite accurate.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-models-got-it-right-on-global-warming/

[jp1]

It's good to be inland one state with 1 home at 2700f elevation and a 2nd at 5000f. Either way we could be waterfront>8)

LOL. We're about 1 1/2 miles from the ocean but more than 300 feet above sea level. We won't likely ever be oceanfront (at least not in our lifetime) but some parts of the city will likely have water problems.

[bae]

I live on a small island in the Pacific.

Luckily my house is at 1200 feet of elevation.

Unluckily, our village is at about 10.

[flowerseverywhere]

Bae, your statement shows why even if your personal home is safe, far more will be effected by sea rise than those In low lying areas. Who will relocate or raise your village?

In the East, the major north south highway, route 95 is an important supply line. Many portions are not very far above sea level, and it crosses over many rivers that are flowing very high at times. The Binghamton area of N.Y. floods now mercilessly. Lake Ontario is at record high levels and personal property is being sacrificed to keep the St Lawrence seaway, a major shipping port open.

When hurricanes get stronger and dump record rainfall the rivers back up, aging dams and bridges are far more at risk.

Climate refugees all over the world will be trying to get to safety. Drinking water will be contaminated. Ports will need to be reconfigured. New Orleans is a classic example. This is a gigantic problem even for those safe in their homes now. How many hospitals, government properties, military bases, airports and so on could be affected? My guess is far more than we currently imagine.

a classic war strategy is cutting the supply lines and we are cutting our own supply lines.

[Gardnr]

In 2010, 123.3 million people, or 39 percent of the nation's population lived in counties directly on the shoreline. This population is expected to increase by 8% from 2010 to 2020.

How many will still have a livable home in 2050?

[happystuff]

In 2010, 123.3 million people, or 39 percent of the nation's population lived in counties directly on the shoreline. This population is expected to increase by 8% from 2010 to 2020.

How many will still have a livable home in 2050?

My guess is that they will still have livable homes along the shoreline in 2050, but I think the shoreline will have a different location.

[dmc]

We are putting our house up for sale after the holidays. It’s at 10’ above sl. Most of the homes we are looking at are at 9’. They are still selling, prices are still rising. But Being on the water means I can at least have a boat handy.

If the seas rise to much in the next few decades, I can just migrate to a more favorable area, just like people have done in the past when conditions warrant it.

didnt Obama just buy a beach house? Surly he has the latest info on climate change.

[bae]

We are putting our house up for sale after the holidays. It’s at 10’ above sl.


My beach house, which my Mom and Sister live in, is right on the beach here, in a newly-mapped "flood zone". It's about 8' above SL. And very very close to the shore, when the wind is blowing onshore in a storm, salt spray hits the windows.

I have plans to move into this house when she's done with it. If I believe the most pessimistic predictions our local environmental groups are using when trying to advance shoreline management regulations, I'll have to moor a houseboat there instead...

I don't quite think it's going to end up that way.

[flowerseverywhere]

We are putting our house up for sale after the holidays. It’s at 10’ above sl. Most of the homes we are looking at are at 9’. They are still selling, prices are still rising. But Being on the water means I can at least have a boat handy.

If the seas rise to much in the next few decades, I can just migrate to a more favorable area, just like people have done in the past when conditions warrant it.

didnt Obama just buy a beach house? Surly he has the latest info on climate change.

it does seem odd at only 30 feet above sea level. Maybe they will build a wall that Mexico will pay for.

[dmc]

it does seem odd at only 30 feet above sea level. Maybe they will build a wall that Mexico will pay for.

I have not seen anywhere that it is 30’ above sea level. It doesn’t look that high from the pics. And I’m sure at only 7000 sq ft the carbon foot print is about average. I’m sure they will settle down there and stop jet setting around the world to do there part to keep emissions down.

[flowerseverywhere]

I have not seen anywhere that it is 30’ above sea level. It doesn’t look that high from the pics. And I’m sure at only 7000 sq ft the carbon foot print is about average. I’m sure they will settle down there and stop jet setting around the world to do there part to keep emissions down.

one of the maps I saw said that, although that could have been a high point of the island. .

i think most politicians are quite disconnected from what they preach and what they do. The lawn is expansive and needs to be fertilized, cut, weedwacked and so on. When they are not there the heat/cooling is probably minimally on. So I do agree talking about lowering emissions and not wasting energy is kinda lost here.

I read an an article looking up al gore that defended the use by politicians of private planes etc. saying it was corporations. But neither party is unscathed. You can find numerous instances of both parties expressing outrage at how immoral or unethical one party is while their own conduct is immoral or unethical.