View Full Version : Stars aligning: Pandemic + General Election
catherine
3-11-20, 10:38am
So, we've been talking coronavirus and we've been talking election, but it's time to recognize that they are not discrete events. The virus is now going to have a powerful impact on the election.
When Bernie did not-so-well last night, I told my husband that in the eyes of the voters, a revolutionary/insurrectionist is not going to do well in the face of medical and economic threats. The fear of the unknown killed Bernie last night--not Joe Biden.
Thoughts?
sweetana3
3-11-20, 10:40am
At the rate our government is screwing up in the face of the mass of knowledge, we need something/someone new.
Trump has lost a lot of leverage on the economy, which was one or the main talking point a few weeks ago. How the virus plays out and how well his deceitful responses go over with his base and the rest of us is probably going to be important. Donald's tax cuts are generally popular even if they don't really help the economy. There could be a change horses in the middle of the stream thought about switching leaders in the middle of a health epidemic could play. Cvid-19 definitely changes how things will play out, but a lot of unknowns. Biden has his imagine issues.
iris lilies
3-11-20, 11:10am
Dream on people, Trump voters will not oust the Orange one.
Teacher Terry
3-11-20, 11:29am
If Biden can keep it together and picks a appealing VP then we have a shot at ousting the orange fungus.
I just hope he picks someone who is mentally with it and will not swear at voters. Just saying.
Dream on people, Trump voters will not oust the Orange one.
Probably so. I wonder how large is base actually is. It seems like last time around there were swing voters who just voted against Hillary rather than for Donald. I suppose by the time election rolls around impeachment will be much forgotten.
The fear of the unknown killed Bernie last night--not Joe Biden.
I disagree. I think the media and the internet (including this very site) have convinced us that the populace wants the government to provide for us, that meritocracy must be replaced by gender, race and identity, that socialism is cool and capitalism sucks.
As a rule, conservatives never bought into that foolishness and now this primary has shown us that the majority of Democrats agree with us. I'm pleasantly surprised!
Meritocracy? Is that why pence got put in charge of coronavirus response?
Meritocracy? Is that why pence got put in charge of coronavirus response?I think that was just to irritate liberals. I would say 'Winning!', but that's too easy.
I just hope he picks someone who is mentally with it and will not swear at voters. Just saying.
Much like Trump, Biden seems to slip into aggressive bluster and vulgarity, apparently believing that makes him look tough.
I think that was just to irritate liberals. I would say 'Winning!', but that's too easy.
Because extra dead people is winning? So much winning it just may kill me.
But you're right. It's great that he's treating a global pandemic as an excuse to trigger libtards. The only good thing about all this is that he seems to buy his own BS. If he ends up dying from covid19 the history books will be mercilous.
It was probably inevitable that Trump’s enemies would see this disease as an opportunity to spin it into his Katrina.
It was probably inevitable that Trump’s enemies would see this disease as an opportunity to spin it into his Katrina.
How would the discriminating person know if it is or isn’t? Everything I have seen in the media says his response has been lame. His routine denial of the severity in evidence.
It was also inevitable that republicans would pretend like the obvious evidence of this administration’s incompetence and negligence in the handling of this was either nonexistent or just minimal.
The evidence, like the news that just came out about the infectious disease researcher in Seattle that was repeatedly told to stop testing for coronavirus by the federal government, will continue to grow.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 9:45am
How would the discriminating person know if it is or isn’t? Everything I have seen in the media says his response has been lame. His routine denial of the severity in evidence.
Boy this is a lame response over a week ago:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/trump-signs-8point3-billion-emergency-coronavirus-spending-package.html
“I haven’t heard...on the news” is not a substitute for actual news. I find this idea, spread throughout this forum, to only reflect preconceived ideas. What we don’t hear on the news tends to confirm our bias.
I happened to hear the news of billions of gubmnt $$$ released to coronavirus on NPR, maybe Science Friday? Don’t remember, but it was definitely NPR that brought me the news of gubmnt largesse. Even the NPR reporter seemed happy and unable to spin this into an anti Trump rant. But probably I just didn’t give her enough time.
The coronavirus is serious health wise and is a serious threat to our economy. It does no one any good to panic. I think that is the message of our leaders. That doesn’t mean I will be going about my daily life as usual, not at all. We Americans are responsible for curtailing the spread by acting responsibly.
Boy this is a lame response over a week ago:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/trump-signs-8point3-billion-emergency-coronavirus-spending-package.html
“I haven’t heard...on the news” is not a substitute for actual news. I find this idea, spread throughout this forum, to only reflect preconceived ideas. What we don’t hear on the news tends to confirm our bias.
I happened to hear the news of billions of gubmnt $$$ released to coronavirus on NPR, maybe Science Friday? Don’t remember, but it was definitely NPR that brought me the news of gubmnt largesse. Even the NPR reporter seemed happy and unable to spin this into an anti Trump rant. But probably I just didn’t give her enough time.
The coronavirus is serious health wise and is a serious threat to our economy. It does no one any good to panic. I think that is the message of our leaders. That doesn’t mean I will be going about my daily life as usual, not at all. We Americans are responsible for curtailing the spread by acting responsibly.
"The size of the bill dwarfs the $2.5 billion in funding the Trump administration had originally proposed."
Speaking of NPR, I'd defer to this enlightening article.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/12/814522489/singapore-wins-praise-for-its-covid-19-strategy-the-u-s-does-not
He disbanded a pandemic response team and gutted the CDC, refused WHO tests, declared COVID-19 a Democratic hoax, and continues to drag his feet on testing. He can belatedly throw money at the problem, but that doesn't obviate his administration's deficiencies.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 10:05am
He disbanded a pandemic response team and gutted the CDC, refused WHO tests, declared COVID-19 a Democratic hoax, and continues to drag his feet on testing. He can belatedly throw money at the problem, but that doesn't obviate his administrations deficiencies.
There are deficiencies, absolutely. But making Trump the demon seems, well, typical.
Pretending he's competent doesn't help anyone. Now Jared is "doing research" on the matter. Good grief.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 10:20am
Pretending he's competent doesn't help anyone. Now Jared is "doing research" on the matter. Good grief.
Looking to Nanny G for everything is silly. Look what happens when we get the leader we deserve.
Some posts back, here or on another thread, there was nattering about people over 60 flying and recommendations from the gubmnt that were or were not put forth.
people! If you all need Nanny to tell you that planes are germ factories, I cannot help you.
Hmmm... let's see.
In 2008, the previous Republican president bequeathed his successor an economy that was near collapse, a country mired in an unwinnable and unnecessary war paid for with a credit card, huge tax cuts for the rich, and a major American city in ruins.
His successor, a Democrat, was a cautious, middle-of-the-road technocrat who passed a national health plan, cut the federal deficit in half and oversaw the start of one of the longest economic booms in history.
In 2020, the current Republican president is about to bequeath an economy near collapse, the most politically divided country in 150 years, and a disorganized, incompetent response to a deadly pandemic. (Oh, and let's not forget his huge tax cut for the rich.)
Ronald Reagan liked to say that the most scary words in the English language were, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
I'm betting a lot of people don't mind hearing those scary words right about now.
Trump is the symptom. The Republican Party is the disease.
Some posts back, here or on another thread, there was nattering about people over 60 flying and recommendations from the gubmnt that were or were not put forth.
people! If you all need Nanny to tell you that planes are germ factories, I cannot help you.
I don't think you are reading what we are saying correctly if you call it "nattering." Patient Zero in New Rochelle managed to infect 100 people at last count, just by going to his house of worship.
I think there is an illusion of control here that is being shattered. The markets took all of 7 minutes this morning to hit the first circuit breaker.
I hope you are right, that we are overreacting and life can return to normal. That would be great.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 11:09am
I don't think you are reading what we are saying correctly if you call it "nattering." Patient Zero in New Rochelle managed to infect 100 people at last count, just by going to his house of worship.
I think there is an illusion of control here that is being shattered. The markets took all of 7 minutes this morning to hit the first circuit breaker.
I hope you are right, that we are overreacting and life can return to normal. That would be great.
I don’t know if we are overreacting.Make no mistake, I fully agree coronavirus is a serious threat and am taking personal action beginning yesterday. It is serious!
I won’t be attending any non essential group meetings. I won’t go to see Emma in the theaters for instance. I am urging group leaders to cancel two events on Sunday. But regardless of what happens with those I am definitely not attending one of them, and the other one — I may attend since I’m a co-presenter but
I sure as hell will stand back from other humans and won’t touch the food they always insist must be presented at these meetings.
Patient Zero in New Rochelle —there will be lots of those. It is EXTREMELY unfortunate, but that is how this virus spreads.
Why won’t people stay home?
prime example was our St. Louis family who apparently needed to be told point blank, in their face, with gubmnt documents, to stay the hell at home with their virulent germs.doh. These are educated people.
People on this site and on other sites are still flying, traveling, etc. Perhaps that is warranted, perhaps not. Personal responsibility here goes a long ways.
I was surprised when you said your son will be unhappy that you’re not flying, as though that unhappiness is something you are seriously considering in your decision to take a plane. To a party.
I simply cannot grok expecting someone to put their health at risk for a party. I certainly understand being disappointed about plans that don’t come to fruition. There will be a lot of unhappiness, disappointment, and ennui as we all adjust our lives and wait out the infection cycle.
Trump is the symptom. The Republican Party is the disease.
Well, now that you've diagnosed the problem, what do you suggest we do about it?
iris lilies
3-12-20, 11:12am
Well, now that you've diagnosed the problem, what do you suggest we do about it?
they offer up Biden.
Alrighty then.
they offer up Biden.
But our Republic will still be filled with Republicans under a Biden administration. They may have to go under cover during a Sanders administration but it looks like he doesn't yet have enough popular support to realize that revolutionary dream.
I just found it interesting to see someone compare Republicanism to a disease, perhaps in need of eradication. Those people scare me.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 11:29am
Much like Trump, Biden seems to slip into aggressive bluster and vulgarity, apparently believing that makes him look tough.
Not that Anyone cares, but I believe in my heart of hearts Joe Biden is actually a pretty nice guy, for a long term pol anyway. I believe in my heart of hearts that Trump is a self-centered ass although affable.
This opinion of their core persona doesnt speak to their worthiness as Prez.
Why won’t people stay home?
prime example was our St. Louis family who apparently needed to be told point blank, in their face, with gubmnt documents, to stay the hell at home with their virulent germs.doh. These are educated people.
People on this site and on other sites are still flying, traveling, etc. Perhaps that is warranted, perhaps not. Personal responsibility here goes a long ways.
I was surprised when you said your son will be unhappy that you’re not flying, as though that unhappiness is something you are seriously considering in your decision to take a plane. To a party.
I simply cannot grok expecting someone to put their health at risk for a party. I certainly understand being disappointed about plans that don’t come to fruition. There will be a lot of unhappiness, disappointment, and ennui as we all adjust our lives and wait out the infection cycle.
I guess we are not all as smart as you are, and worrying about our families far away, some who are ill and facing health crises, and we are trying to get to them, is just stupid.
You are probably right. But why come on here and dump on people who are just trying to figure things out, and insult them?
iris lilies
3-12-20, 11:42am
I guess we are not all as smart as you are, and worrying about our families far away, some who are ill and facing health crises, and we are trying to get to them, is just stupid.
You are probably right. But why come on here and dump on people who are just trying to figure things out, and insult them?
You are worried about your family? I thought you were worried about your own health. Do you mean your parents are ill?
They would certainly be in the risk pool.
My son and my parents are ill. The only reason I am trying to get to them is that they are ill. The party is for my grandson, son of the son who is ill.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 11:59am
...Ronald Reagan liked to say that the most scary words in the English language were, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
I'm betting a lot of people don't mind hearing those scary words right about now.
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The government will not be able to help much at an individual level in a crises. Notice I use the qualifier “much.”
And entirely tangential: In real life I encountered a government official, someone from the state of Missouri who administers the Social Security program (representing the Feds) say “We are from the government and we are here to help… Hee hee hee” when she and her minions were in my workplace threatening to remove our Social Security status.
Yes, she actually used those words. “Tin earred” isnt strong enough to describe the ridiculousness of that experience.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 12:01pm
My son and my parents are ill. The only reason I am trying to get to them is that they are ill. The party is for my grandson, son of the son who is ill.
Then don’t fly. Driving may be an option.
Entering the homes of people already sick, carrying airplane germs, does not seem prudent to me.
Well, now that you've diagnosed the problem, what do you suggest we do about it?
The lesson of recent history is pretty clear. Don't vote Republican. It may not be a perfect solution, but it would seem to increase the chances of competent governance.
Then don’t fly. Driving may be an option.
Entering the homes of people already sick, carrying airplane germs, does not seem prudent to me.
I concur. This would really put them at risk. Not worth it for a party.
The lesson of recent history is pretty clear. Don't vote Republican.I think you may need special glasses for that level of clarity. Do you think if I added a tint to my readers it would be more obvious?
I think you may need special glasses for that level of clarity. Do you think if I added a tint to my readers it would be more obvious?
You can be as glib as you like. Facts is facts.
Teacher Terry
3-12-20, 1:22pm
Tybee, I am sorry that your son is also sick. I would drive instead of fly.
You can be as glib as you like. Facts is facts.
"How empty is theory in the presence of fact!" ~ Samuel Clemens
The lesson of recent history is pretty clear. Don't vote Republican. It may not be a perfect solution, but it would seem to increase the chances of competent governance.
Republicans have for decades now run on a platform of ‘government can’t do anything right.’ It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that when they are in power they do their best to prove themselves accurate. If they were more honest they would run on a platform of ‘if you elect me I will be incompetent, or at least pretend to be.’
Republicans have for decades now run on a platform of ‘government can’t do anything right.’ It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that when they are in power they do their best to prove themselves accurate. If they were more honest they would run on a platform of ‘if you elect me I will be incompetent, or at least pretend to be.’
That and "We will cut federal taxes to the bone so we can't afford any services," (just more pork for the rich).
I'm just wondering ... I think the pandemic will be under control by the next election. Most of the people I know who were Trump 'supporters' were more, "don't particularly like him, but like what he did for the economy / the regular folks". If the "regular folks" get a royal shellacking from this bloodbath, are they likely to go on feeling that way? (again I totally agree, the candidates the left is putting up are an interesting bag of ... well, something. Wild Hare, or Oatmeal with a side of potty sauce. Awesome. Still, it's hard to imagine people seeing a 30% loss, even on paper, as all that pro-Trump.)
Haven’t you heard, the election will be cancelled till further notice.
Haven’t you heard, the election will be cancelled till further notice.Well that would explain the foot dragging ...
iris lilies
3-12-20, 6:07pm
Well that would explain the foot dragging ...
listen to dmc, he has the scoop. He is a Republican Operative doncha know.
And I’ve got a Russian connection. My good friend married a Russian gal 10 years or so ago. I’ve had many meals at his house. The fix is in.
Another 10% loss in the DOW today should further undermine the economy as a Trump talking point. At least you would think so given the number of boomers in my age bracket who supported him and have now seen significant declines in their retirement accounts as their downshifting draws near. But its hard to see the allegiance shift to Smilin' Joe. The worst part might be that basketball could get replaced with political commercials. Just shoot me know.
frugal-one
3-12-20, 10:37pm
Canadian prime minister’s wife just tested positive for the virus.
If there is a second wave of the virus in the fall, as some anticipate there may be, we could see the election postponed
If there is a second wave of the virus in the fall, as some anticipate there may be, we could see the election postponed
Oh dear God, please no!
The constitution is pretty clear in the subject. The election will not be postponed.
Congress could change the date of the election, but the Constitution specifies when congressional and presidential terms start.
Teacher Terry
3-15-20, 6:31pm
The election was held even during the civil war.
The constitution is pretty clear in the subject. The election will not be postponed.
https://classroom.synonym.com/can-president-cancel-election-10385.html
As I never imagined what is happening now, I doubt I can imagine what may happen next.
I wonder what the upcoming primaries will be like. For example, how will voter turnout be affected?
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