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Gardnr

3-27-20, 1:08pm

He has been most impressive in advocating for his state. He puts our President to shame. 'I don't believe we will need 30,000 ventilators. I just don't believe it'.

Well as a former Nurse Leader, I can tell you when the President is in your town, you have everything possibly needed for any emergency he might need, including staff and Drs, on standby doing nothing else. Period.

So, the resources he is going to need? At the ready. grrrrrrrrr

oldhat

3-27-20, 1:11pm

Even though he's the gov of the state next door, I don't know a lot about Cuomo, but I think lionizing him shows how low our standards have gotten. He's doing a competent job--and that's not intended as an insult. Of course, alongside Trump, Cuomo looks like a blend of Lincoln and Roosevelt, with a dash of Eisenhower thrown in, but almost anybody would. The gov of my state, Ned Lamont, has also shown competent leadership--he's been consistently calm, given accurate but hopeful information, and has acted aggressively to promote the solutions that are available to him. But he's not as high-profile because he's governor of a much smaller state with far fewer cases. Other governors have been doing a capable job as well.

In a crisis, people look for leadership, and since none has been forthcoming from Trump, people are casting around for someone to give them hope. IMHO Giuliani got far too much credit for his actions following 9/11--again, he was competent. He did his job, but most New Yorkers were only too happy to see the last of him when the smoke cleared, and his subsequent career has been a sad saga of opportunism and corruption. Likewise Chris Christie, who following Sandy was re-elected with the highest approval rating of any governor in this history of his state, and a few years later left office with the lowest rating because time showed him to be just another corrupt, greedy Republican.

Geila

3-27-20, 1:26pm

If we're nominating governors I'm throwing Gavin Newsom's name in the ring!

LDAHL

3-27-20, 1:44pm

I could well understand how Democrats might hope this disease will provide the opportunity for acclaiming some new leftist Lochinvar to save them from consummating with Joe Biden.

Oddly, despite the constant Orange Man Bad drumbeat in the media, his numbers seem to be improving. I haven’t been especially impressed by his performance; but I also haven’t been impressed by some of the antics and posturing of his enemies.

JaneV2.0

3-27-20, 2:10pm

My governor flies mostly under the radar, though recently Trump berated him for his "complaining" and his "take, take, take" attitude. Washington sends more tax monies to the federal government than it gets back. And states are entitled to cooperation during national crises. As many have said--every day, when I think Trump can't go any lower, he surprises me and does just that.

I agree that Governor Cuomo is doing a great job being informative and protective of his constituents.

rosarugosa

3-27-20, 5:36pm

I really like our governor, Charlie Baker. He is a Massachusetts republican governor, and we've has some really good ones. Look at who has stood up to Trump: Bill Weld, Mitt Romney. I'm not sure how we manage it, but we often have a successful combination of a Dem legislature and a Rep governor, and they are able to work together and get stuff done.

Tradd

3-27-20, 5:40pm

I despise IL's governor. JB Pritzer. Guess what his nickname is? Prickster. :moon:

Has nothing to due with how he's handling the plague. Typical Cook County Dem. 'Nuff said. Dude had toilets pulled out of his Gold Coast mansion to avoid $300K in property taxes. He supposedly later paid them, but I understand he's under investigation for it. It's common for IL governors to go to prison.

gimmethesimplelife

3-27-20, 8:24pm

I'm not fond of Arizona's unfortunate Republican Governor Doug Ducey. He is striking me as AMLO (Lopez Obrador, President of Mexico) like in his seeming denial and minimization of the virus threat to Arizona's people. I'd love to have Coumo (sp?) here as Governor - the time has come to value human life over money and Doug Ducey? Money for the win.....typical Republican, with the value of human life trailing far behind. How does one even begin to forgive this mentality putting the 85006 and the entire state of Arizona at risk?

Stay healthy, everyone. Those more fortunate - I'm including myself here - might want to buy a few cans of soup or chili for less fortunate neighbors.....just an idea. Small acts of kindness make a bigger impact in times like these. Rob

Yppej

3-27-20, 8:44pm

Cuomo would be better than Biden, not least because his cognitive skills, needed in a crisis, are better.

Alan

3-27-20, 9:17pm

I've heard rumblings on social media that could be interpreted as "move over Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo is in town."
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Should Biden be scared?
I think he should, cable news gives Cuomo an hour or so of face time each day just as they did Trump before the last election and once his time is up they spend lots of time talking about what he has to say. Biden has been relegated to giving 5 min 'shadow briefings' and hasn't gotten through one yet without mishap.

flowerseverywhere

3-28-20, 6:07am

I think What Cuomo has working for him is his seriousness combined with his empathy. He consistently tells anecdotes that average people can relate to. About how hard it is to be cooped up, especially for apartment dwellers, family stories, and his thankfulness for New Yorkers who follow the guidelines. He sends a message we are trying as hard as we can to save lives, please help us.

i honestly don’t think our current president and many (but not all) senators and congresspeople have any idea what it is like for the common people. People who are laid off, people who do not have the ability to be tested even with symptoms, people who are terrified to become homeless or without medical insurance, and of course their loved ones who are sick right now. Every one of the thousands who have died have parents, children, siblings and so on who have broken hearts. Some sympathy and understanding is in order. Telling the public you have instructed the task force not to work with that Michigan woman and Inslee because they haven’t been nice enough to you was perhaps the most shocking thing I have ever heard. I’m not saying past presidents have always been fair, but to admit you are an accessory to death took my breath away. And we hear nothing from those in power to stop it.

by the way, anyone hear Rush Limbaugh’s take on questioning if the doctors on the task force are really doctors? They just might be people in white lab coats. Every day people listen to the undermining of our respected medical and government officials which adds to the fright and can ultimately kill people if they don’t take it seriously enough.

iris lilies

3-28-20, 9:41am

I think he should, cable news gives Cuomo an hour or so of face time each day just as they did Trump before the last election and once his time is up they spend lots of time talking about what he has to say. Biden has been relegated to giving 5 min 'shadow briefings' and hasn't gotten through one yet without mishap.

well its getting down to the wire. These people had better get hopping to get a new candidate on board.

JaneV2.0

3-28-20, 12:00pm

"Telling the public you have instructed the task force not to work with that Michigan woman and Inslee because they haven’t been nice enough to you was perhaps the most shocking thing I have ever heard."

That was my take on it, though I shouldn't be surprised by anything--no matter how callous--Trump says. All of us in Washington can just die gasping for air, as far as he's concerned, just because Governor Inslee won't grovel before him like most of his task force members (Dr. Birx, I'm looking at you).

Alan

3-28-20, 12:13pm

well its getting down to the wire. These people had better get hopping to get a new candidate on board.I think they're working on it, Biden now has a new 'Me Too' accusation from a former campaign worker although the media and Democrats in general seem to be ignoring it. Maybe after they get bored of eviscerating Republicans for the response to this virus thing.

oldhat

3-28-20, 1:27pm

I'm revising my opinion of Cuomo dramatically upward after just watching about half an hour of his daily press briefing. (Not that it was necessarily low before--I didn't really have an opinion of him, and as I said, I don't view calling someone competent an insult.)

But wow, what a contrast with you-know-who. Just no-nonsense, straightforward command of the facts. Cautious optimism without Pollyanna BS. Stressing that this is a marathon, not a sprint.

From what I've seen, I think most governors are probably doing similarly good jobs. But I'd advise anyone looking for a morale boost to avoid Trump's press briefings completely and tune into Cuomo's instead.

Geila

3-28-20, 1:30pm

For Cuomo fans, what is it that makes him seem like a good presidential candidate? He took an awfully long time to address the virus in his state, from where I'm at. I mean, he's loud, like a good New Yorker should be. :) But I have't seen the proactiveness, although that could be because I'm at the other end of the country.

California Gov. Newsom was the first to issue statewide shelter in place orders and to close down schools. Bay Area leadership has been great; first area in the country to shut down schools, ban large gatherings, and issue shelter in place orders; even before Gov. Newsom issued them statewide. I hope that early action makes a difference, which it seems to be doing, as our death poll is not jumping as rapidly as other states and heavily infected areas. The Bay Area is the epicenter for California.

SF Mayor Breed and SJ Mayor Licardo have announced eviction bans and other protective measures for residents and small businesses. And Gov. Newsom has announced 90-day forbearance from major banks and credit unions, as well as publicly calling out Bank of America for failing to commit to the forbearance. He's cold called major business leaders to procure necessary supplies; ventilators, masks, etc. That's the kind of leadership and initiative that I would be looking for. Plus, Newsom is very cute! :D Overall, I'm very pleased with our local and state leadership.

JaneV2.0

3-28-20, 1:44pm

I'm pretty much satisfied by leadership on the West Coast, though Oregon's Kate Brown waffled before she finally issued a stay home directive. Certainly Newsome and Inslee have been working non-stop in our behalf.

frugal-one

3-28-20, 3:22pm

I think he should, cable news gives Cuomo an hour or so of face time each day just as they did Trump before the last election and once his time is up they spend lots of time talking about what he has to say. Biden has been relegated to giving 5 min 'shadow briefings' and hasn't gotten through one yet without mishap.

Town hall meeting yesterday on the virus for one hour with Biden.

Yppej

3-28-20, 3:34pm

Teacher Terry

3-28-20, 4:29pm

Why would Biden debate when he is in the lead?

Tybee

3-28-20, 4:40pm

Biden is afraid to debate Sanders in April. It could be done remotely, like round tables on the Sunday morning news shows are now. With only two candidates that would average an hour each talking time. What are Biden and the DNC afraid of?

They are afraid that he will keep talking and saying strange things. The less he talks, the better, is probably their gameplan.

Yppej

3-28-20, 4:43pm

TT because the debate was promised and it would show integrity. But yeah, we are talking about the liar and plagiarist, no integrity there. But he is in the lead, and had $806,000 to pay to a PR firm, payments timed with the Tara Reade allegations.

Alan

3-28-20, 4:44pm

They are afraid that he will keep talking and saying strange things. The less he talks, the better, is probably their gameplan.
Well, that's part of it, lol.

But realistically, why do it at all? Sanders has no chance of winning the nomination and it's anyone's guess why he's still in the race at this point.

ToomuchStuff

3-29-20, 1:16am

If they are just going to put someone up there, that wasn't an option for the primaries, then why wouldn't we just see them renominate Hillary?

Yppej

3-29-20, 6:22am

If they are just going to put someone up there, that wasn't an option for the primaries, then why wouldn't we just see them renominate Hillary?

She lost.

kappydell

4-5-20, 10:06pm

LDAHL

4-6-20, 1:20pm

I liked him until he started doing his daily briefings. Then I noticed all he does is whine about the Feds.

Yes, but he whines heroically.

jp1

4-6-20, 3:04pm

I liked him until he started doing his daily briefings. Then I noticed all he does is whine about the Feds. Apparently his big plan for any disaster is to go to the Feds and make demands. Not much leadership there - I cant stand watching him any more.

Of course there is the fact that the feds are being openly hostile to the blue states such as NY. But yeah, Newsome has done a better job. And figured out that it really only takes a really small amount of groveling to satisfy the turd in the white house.

Geila

4-7-20, 2:17pm

Of course there is the fact that the feds are being openly hostile to the blue states such as NY. But yeah, Newsome has done a better job. And figured out that it really only takes a really small amount of groveling to satisfy the turd in the white house.

Newsom's been awesome, though I imagine some Californians won't be too happy about him sending 500 ventilators to NY. Our county is offering $1000 rewards for ventilators; don't know what that's about. If Newsom can keep Southern California from exploding with deaths, I can definitely see him being a strong presidential candidate in the future. San Francisco, Newsom's hometown, has fared extremely well during this outbreak. My crush on him continues to grow. :~)

I saw on our data dashboard that ICU beds are the real issue, as covid-19 patients typically have to be in them for 2 weeks, versus the standard 2-3 days. It will be interesting to see the post examination to see what worked best in how everyone approached this problem around the world.

ApatheticNoMore

4-7-20, 7:38pm

The thing is that just because someone is good at handling a crisis doesn't mean they necessarily have good policy overall. And well I vote policy pretty much always. I'm definitely not impressed with Cuomo on policy, Newsom is not so well established, he's pretty new. But the coronavirus, Newsom has been handling it well, lots of Californians lives will be saved if it all works out.

I think it's an incorrect reading to attribute everything that goes on in southern CA entirely to Newsom though. The whole Los Angeles county has it's own stay at home order. Newsom closed bars restaurants etc. but the reason people are working from home is local laws.

ApatheticNoMore

4-8-20, 11:16am

I really am impressed with state and local authorities stepping up though. Because I thought it was every man for themselves given a complete vacuum of leadership in D.C. (yes that includes congress although nothing could ever beat the white house in chaos). Given we don't (still don't) have guaranteed paid sick time or a culture of taking it when sick (although with asymptomatic transmission that only slows it), nor guaranteed nor affordable medical care, given that at least locally we have a massive homeless population that seems a vector if ever there was one (they have types of hepatitis unique to them at this point), nor enough testing (still don't), nor many hospital beds (nor it turns out although this wasn't as obvious early, enough ventilators or PPE or sedatives etc. etc.).

I was like "oh boy all one can do is wash their hands obsessively, wait to die and hope that fate spares them, beg sick coworkers to stay home for once in their entire lives even if they think coming to work sick makes them a model employee, and beg until one is out of breath begging for the most vulnerable family members and friends to stay home even if it means shopping for them at one's own risk etc. etc.".

Well that's still somewhat the situation OF COURSE. However, the local authorities stepped up like heroes and just shut everything down, so many aren't going to work, there are no restaurants to beg the 70 and 80 year olds to stay away from etc. etc..

Latest advice from local authorities is: DON'T GROCERY SHOP THIS WEEK. Oh the Trump administration also said that, yea I don't listen to them on pretty much anything at this point, sure a stopped clock but who cares, but I listen to local authorities as they aren't insane. Now they aren't trying to enforce that absolutely (you really can't unless the local government is willing and able to just deliver food to people because instacart is clearly not up to the task on that scale and honestly the government probably isn't this second either, it's not something that instantly scales) but that's the latest recommendation if one can. I bought a lot of groceries last week, I'm good I think :)

Yppej

3-7-21, 10:54am

Even though he's the gov of the state next door, I don't know a lot about Cuomo, but I think lionizing him shows how low our standards have gotten.

Hear, hear!

catherine

3-7-21, 11:09am

Every time I think of Cuomo's reversal of fortune, all I can think of are the lyrics from Frank Sinatra's song That's Life: "You're ridin' high in April, shot down in May."
The answer to my original question? Uh, no.

LDAHL

3-7-21, 11:39am

happystuff

3-7-21, 11:43am

This is what hubris will get you. The lesser son of a greater sire struts, frets and preens his leadership prowess, even to the point of writing a self-praising book, while a Greek chorus of media sycophants chants in the background about his glory. Then the fickle gods reveal his lies and his lies about his lies. The chorus quietly disperses, cuomosexual accusations appear and his own brother suddenly discovers a conflict of interest in mentioning his name.

Somewhere, Sophocles is smiling and taking notes.

As I was reading, my first thoughts were that you were talking about Trump. I guess if the shoe fits. LOL.

Rhetorical question - what is it about politics attracting these types of people and the general public's acceptance of them? What a strange and funny species we humans are. >8)

catherine

3-7-21, 11:44am

This is what hubris will get you. The lesser son of a greater sire struts, frets and preens his leadership prowess, even to the point of writing a self-praising book, while a Greek chorus of media sycophants chants in the background about his glory. Then the fickle gods reveal his lies and his lies about his lies. The chorus quietly disperses, cuomosexual accusations appear and his own brother suddenly discovers a conflict of interest in mentioning his name.

Somewhere, Sophocles is smiling and taking notes.

Now if only he and his family can fall into such disfavor that they remove Cuomo's name from the Tappan Zee bridge, I'll be happy. That bridge was the Tappan Zee to me throughout my college years, where I had a view of it from my dorm room. It will never be the Mario Cuomo Bridge to me.

Tybee

3-7-21, 11:51am

Omg it's not the Tappan Zee Bridge anymore? That was a landmark for me, driving up to college.

catherine

3-7-21, 12:01pm

Omg it's not the Tappan Zee Bridge anymore? That was a landmark for me, driving up to college.

Nope.

3675

LDAHL

3-7-21, 12:06pm

As I was reading, my first thoughts were that you were talking about Trump. I guess if the shoe fits. LOL.

Rhetorical question - what is it about politics attracting these types of people and the general public's acceptance of them? What a strange and funny species we humans are. >8)

Easy mistake. Even Cuomo didn’t have a golden idol like Trump or a faux Greek temple like Obama. But then, we’re still a few years away from the next primary season.

Who was it who said politics was show business for ugly people and religion for shallow people?

happystuff

3-7-21, 12:15pm

Who was it who said politics was show business for ugly people and religion for shallow people?

I just had to google -- LOL. Found this:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2010/12/who_says_washington_is_hollywo.html

GeorgeParker

3-7-21, 5:25pm

what is it about politics attracting these types of people and the general public's acceptance of them?You'll find the answer to that in Machiavelli's The Prince.

Evil people want power. Therefore positions of power attract evil people. Therefore if a good person wants to obtain and keep a position of power so that they can do good, that good person will sometimes have to do evil things to prevent truly evil people pushing the good person out of that powerful position. And most truly good people either aren't willing to do that much evil to retain power, or they become corrupted bit by bit because of the evil they have to do.

Ref also Baron Acton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men..."

happystuff

3-7-21, 5:59pm

You'll find the answer to that in Machiavelli's The Prince.

Evil people want power. Therefore positions of power attract evil people. Therefore if a good person wants to obtain and keep a position of power so that they can do good, that good person will sometimes have to do evil things to prevent truly evil people pushing the good person out of that powerful position. And most truly good people either aren't willing to do that much evil to retain power, or they become corrupted bit by bit because of the evil they have to do.

Ref also Baron Acton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men..."

Thanks, but still meant as a rhetorical question. LOL.

GeorgeParker

3-7-21, 6:15pm

Thanks, but still meant as a rhetorical question. LOL.Duly noted. I just wanted to put in a plug for Machiavelli and Baron Acton and your rhetorical question was a good hook to hang it on. :)

gimmethesimplelife

3-7-21, 7:00pm

Given Coumo's current difficulties, I'm not seeing a viable path towards higher political positions going forward. This ship appears to be sinking a gaining water by the day. Not ALL train wrecks are Republicans - here is both a reminder and proof. Rob

JaneV2.0

3-7-21, 7:08pm

Hitting on subordinates is never a winning gambit, and his infamous temper tantrums are equally problematic. Fortunately, there are lots of fish in that particular sea.

LDAHL

3-10-21, 12:34pm

Why is Cuomo the only one being looked at for consigning COVID victims to nursing homes? Whitmer in Michigan did much the same thing. There must be others.

frugal-one

3-10-21, 3:29pm

Kissing someone's hand is over the top IMO to be considered sexual harassment?

bae

3-10-21, 5:19pm

Kissing someone's hand is over the top IMO to be considered sexual harassment?

Umm.

If you are at work, and it's your boss, yes, it is quite likely harassment, and inappropriate in the workplace.

From the WSJ:

ROCHESTER, N.Y.—A former aide of Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he asked her if she had a boyfriend, called her sweetheart, touched her on her lower back at a reception and once kissed her hand when she rose from her desk.

Ana Liss, now 35 years old, served as a policy and operations aide to Mr. Cuomo between 2013 and 2015. She said the actions by Mr. Cuomo were unsolicited and occurred in the first year while she sat at her desk, which was near his office in the Executive Chamber of the New York State Capitol in Albany.