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I realize that republicans understand that they can't win without voter suppression, but what's going on in Wisconsin is shocking. Hopefully even republican voters will find what their legislature, and now their republican controlled supreme court and the republicans on the US supreme court did, to be beyond the pale. Telling people they need to risk their lives in order to exercise their right to vote is about as unamerican as anything I can think of at the moment.
If republicans keep fighting against mail ballots for everyone across the country the political ads practically write themselves: "{insert name of republican state representative of pushed against mail voting} thinks you should have to risk your life to vote. Why do they want you to risk dying in order to exercise your right to vote?"
Of course, considering that older americans tend to vote republican, and that the areas where they live will likely be slammed with covid illness a few months later than the more urban blue areas, this republican strategy, if successful, may backfire tremendously on them if smaller cities/towns/rural areas are getting hit hard by covid by this fall. Obviously that's a big unknown. What's not unknown is that only one of our two main political parties wants everyone to be able to safely vote.
I think it's interesting reading voter suppression conspiracy theories over the years, there's at least one every cycle. Most of the Republicans I know risked their lives in support of a country and political system which allows and encourages everyone to vote. Most non-Republicans did not and spend much of their time complaining that we didn't make it easy enough for them.
I think it's interesting reading voter suppression conspiracy theories over the years, there's at least one every cycle. Most of the Republicans I know risked their lives in support of a country and political system which allows and encourages everyone to vote. Most non-Republicans did not and spend much of their time complaining that we didn't make it easy enough for them.
So do you think wisconsinites should risk their lives going to the polls tomorrow? And if they do will they even be able to vote since most polling sites will be close? And does it matter what effect that will have on the election results?
I have thankfully not had to risk my life in order to vote. And don’t think I or anyone should have to. Are you saying that only people who have served in the military’s right to vote should be respected?
I have thankfully not had to risk my life in order to vote. And don’t think I or anyone should have to. Are you saying that only people who have served in the military’s right to vote should be respected?No, just providing a perspective you may not be familiar with.
I'm not sure of the details surrounding the Wisconsin Supreme Court's ruling but I'm assuming it's based upon existing state law rather than any attempt at voter suppression, which is another perspective you may not be familiar with.
Edited to add: Just did a quick Google search and found that absentee ballots are still available for those not wishing to participate in In-Person voting with the only caveat that those ballots be postmarked NLT tomorrow.
ApatheticNoMore
4-6-20, 10:54pm
It's insane, who knows if there were any risk before super Tuesday when I submitted my ballot (submitting a mail in at the polls), and didn't get too close to the person. But now, a month later, it's insane.
The details are that the republican legislature is only in existence because of gerrymandering. They had the chance to do the right thing to protect people’s lives but opted to do nothing. So the governor, using the state’s emergency declaration law, tried to do the right thing. And then the republicans controlled state Supreme Court, including a judge up for re-election, decided to do the wrong thing.
But sure, dead people are a small price to pay in order to win an election. Sadly that’s not a perspective that surprises me.
I’ll ask a different way. Given the reality of life today, is it reasonable for WI to go through with having in person voting tomorrow? And if not was the governor acting in bad faith to use the emergency declaration to postpone it?
I’ll ask a different way. Given the reality of life today, is it reasonable for WI to go through with having in person voting tomorrow? And if not was the governor acting in bad faith to use the emergency declaration to postpone it?
I think it's a bad situation that should have been addressed earlier. In my state, Ohio, our Republican governor and Republican state legislature took action prior to our scheduled primary date to change to a mail in ballot with extended time, but that didn't violate state law. It appears that doing the same would violate Wisconsin state law so the legislature should have acted sooner. SCOTUS's decision was based on the law, sometimes that sucks but it's always the right decision.
dado potato
4-7-20, 12:15am
A mail-in ballot for every registered voter seems like the opposite of voter suppression. Does every voter in Ohio get one for every election? It seems like a solution that would maintain social distancing and add to the convenience of voting.
In these discussions, there was not much said about absentee voting in Wisconsin. The candidates for state office (both parties) urged their supporters to vote absentee as early as possible. Additionally, when Governor Evers of Wisconsin was making his pronouncements about being "safer at home" on 3/17/20, he stated that absentee voting was a very easy thing to do. It seemed like an oblique way of suggesting to Wisconsinites that they should vote on absentee ballots. I did so, and all of my friends with any political opinions did. I predict that the in-person voting numbers will be very low, and the absentee ballots will be an all-time high. Consequently, the result of the vote will not be known until April 13.
We live in interesting times!
I think it's a bad situation that should have been addressed earlier. In my state, Ohio, our Republican governor and Republican state legislature took action prior to our scheduled primary date to change to a mail in ballot with extended time, but that didn't violate state law. It appears that doing the same would violate Wisconsin state law so the legislature should have acted sooner. SCOTUS's decision was based on the law, sometimes that sucks but it's always the right decision.
I will admit that Ohio’s republican governor seems to be a decent guy. And once things have played out he will probably be the one republican that actually saved people’s lives. The WI legislature who chose to immediately end the special session rather than do the right thing regarding the primary election of tomorrow? Not so much. Not will they be viewed as people who give a shit about democracy.
I heard on the news tonight in Milwaukee, WI there are only 5 voting sites for this election whereas previously there were 160. I have not researched this but this seems incredulous. Previously made voting difficult for blacks to get to voting sites... who historically vote democrat.
I read poll workers are refusing to go to work and the National Guard will have to run the polling places. Dado Potato is this true?
Unless they change our system of voting, it is one of the most dangerous places when a virus is spreading. Close contact in every aspect. No disinfecting of machines. Even our early voting can be hit or miss and requires talking to various people across a small table, passing people going in and out in smallish rooms, and handling of items back and forth.
Irony, like democracy in WI, is dead.
https://www.wicourts.gov/
ApatheticNoMore
4-7-20, 6:44am
Many people will get absentee ballots too late to cast them in a system that got a ton of request for absentee ballots. Of course restricting voting to those who request them well ahead of time IS disenfranchisement. It has a clear class bias if nothing else, will be more well educated, more middle class and well off people. There's nothing wrong with that EXCEPT does everyone have a right to vote or not? I mean many people did request them but too late.
The problem with WI is they clearly sometime give Republicans some power. We don't make that mistake here.
I see the US Supreme Court has also backed holding our primary today, citing a longstanding principle against last-minute changes to elections. I’m not sure what the right decision would have been, although I have heard enough claims of “threats to our democracy” that I am somewhat inoculated against them.
I suppose our politics have become more feverish than any viral infection; so it was probably inevitable that we would see people speaking almost hopefully of enough people over sixty sickening to affect the November election in a swing state.
dado potato
4-7-20, 11:07am
I read poll workers are refusing to go to work and the National Guard will have to run the polling places. Dado Potato is this true?
True on both counts. Milwaukee County, where 1,256 persons had tested positive for COVID-19 as of 4/6/20, had approximately 1,000 poll workers refuse to work on 4/7/20 election day. The Milwaukee Election Commission announced that they would open 10 to 12 voting centers on election day, but in fact were able to open only 5, according to Associated Press reporting. Historically, Milwaukee has 180 polling places open, typically "walking distance" from voter's homes.
Green Bay has 2 polling places open, according to Spectrum News. 10 people at a time are allowed into the polling places. The wait time to stand in line before entering a polling place in Green Bay was 2.5 to 4 hours.
Press reports stated that 2,500 WI National Guard would be dispatched to substitute for poll workers and to dispense hand sanitizer. The Guard members are volunteering (as ordered) to help at polling places in their own home-towns, and they are not in uniform. Most of the regular election volunteers they are replacing are in their 60s and 70s.
Edited with updated information.
Teacher Terry
4-7-20, 12:37pm
Wisconsin has certainly went downhill since I left 27 years ago. Ugh!
Who is disproportionately affected by the virus in Wisconsin, and therefore more impacted by a viral outbreak during an election?
Wouldn't you know I found an article that covers that.
https://www.propublica.org/article/early-data-shows-african-americans-have-contracted-and-died-of-coronavirus-at-an-alarming-rate
Who is disproportionately affected by the virus in Wisconsin, and therefore more impacted by a viral outbreak during an election?
Wouldn't you know I found an article that covers that.
https://www.propublica.org/article/early-data-shows-african-americans-have-contracted-and-died-of-coronavirus-at-an-alarming-rate
We may not have a vaccine yet, but we have isolated a new species of grievance.
Rupublicans will benefit from all of this. That and gerrymandering previously.
Apparently Assembly Speaker Robin Vos thought it was perfectly safe for people to be voting. So safe that he dressed up like a surgeon to work as an election inspector. Or maybe he’s just into cosplay.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/politics/wisconsin-robin-vos-protective-gear/index.html?ofs=fbia
We may not have a vaccine yet, but we have isolated a new species of grievance.
I'm guessing you're not in the demographic facing startling mortality rates from the virus, or scared to don a homemade mask lest you be stereotyped as a robber and shot to death. So to you it may be a mere grievance.
I'm guessing you're not in the demographic facing startling mortality rates from the virus, or scared to don a homemade mask lest you be stereotyped as a robber and shot to death. So to you it may be a mere grievance.
But if he were in that demographic, what could he do to mitigate the conditions you allege?
But if he were in that demographic, what could he do to mitigate the conditions you allege?
If you're lucky you can find a regular mask and not have to make your own.
But if he were in that demographic, what could he do to mitigate the conditions you allege?
Move to a state where he wasn’t expected to risk his life for the sake of voting?
dado potato
4-7-20, 11:03pm
Waukesha WI is a city with 39,000 registered voters. Today one (1) polling place was open for those who did not vote on absentee ballots.
Kenosha cut the number of polling places to 10 rather than the customary 22.
Racine offered voters the option of drive-thru voting as an alternative to standing in line as in previous elections.
Governor Evers of Wisconsin made this statement: Although I remain deeply concerned about the public health implications of voting in-person today, I am overwhelmed by the bravery, resilience, and heroism of those who are defending our democracy by showing up to vote, working the polls, and reporting on this election. Thank you for giving our state something to be proud of today. Please stay as safe as possible, Wisconsin.
Claire McCaskill, commenting on MSNBC observed that the voters in Wisconsin and across the country will "crawl through glass" to vote out Trump and his supporters in the November election.
It may be heroism... it could be Wisconsinites are stubborn. Like the Wisconsin kid sitting for a job interview:
Q. Tell me one of your weaknesses.
A. I can be very stubborn.
Q. Will you please elaborate?
A. No, I will not.
iris lilies
4-7-20, 11:57pm
Ah well, if our Claire says so, it must be true. Wisconsin voters were not voting in an election with Trump, but whatever, it must have made sense on some level to some people.
ApatheticNoMore
4-8-20, 12:57am
I wouldn't do it, show up to vote and risk my life or risk being a carrier. Not because of any lack of courage or what have you, that may be and that may not be, and it's entirely irrelevant.
But in all the blah blah blah spewed about "I am overwhelmed by the bravery, resilience, and heroism of those who are defending our democracy by showing up to vote", what kind of bravery and heroism is it really that ends up killing people? I mean it's not just the case that one risks one's own life which is a risk one is free to take, but one risks other people's lives by being an asymptomatic carrier.
But also I wouldn't do it even if it just risked my own little life because it's a simply a case of the Not Worth the Candle. Sure I often vote when my life is not on the line. But even in the best of cases elections tend to turn out disappointing (and CA kind of is the best of cases :)). No not risking my life for another election in which truly decent people run and lose to scoundrels in the end anyway. Not dying for that.
whisperingpines
4-8-20, 8:24am
The details are that the republican legislature is only in existence because of gerrymandering. They had the chance to do the right thing to protect people’s lives but opted to do nothing. So the governor, using the state’s emergency declaration law, tried to do the right thing. And then the republicans controlled state Supreme Court, including a judge up for re-election, decided to do the wrong thing.
But sure, dead people are a small price to pay in order to win an election. Sadly that’s not a perspective that surprises me.
I’ll ask a different way. Given the reality of life today, is it reasonable for WI to go through with having in person voting tomorrow? And if not was the governor acting in bad faith to use the emergency declaration to postpone it?
Isn't that how the Democraps usually wins... with the votes dead people
Isn't that how the Democraps usually wins... with the votes dead people
I heard some airhead spewing the "four million dead people on the voting rolls!" nonsense in a panel discussion, and Anderson Cooper just said the obvious: "Dead people don't vote." Apparently, purging voter rolls isn't a priority everywhere. Idiocy.
Teacher Terry
4-8-20, 10:43am
Some of my friends in Wisconsin requested absentee ballots a month ago and never got them. That’s voter suppression. All are in the high risk group.
iris lilies
4-8-20, 11:23am
I think it is quaint that ya’ll assume continued competence from election boards is no big deal. An entire government system based on volunteers. What could possibly go wrong in an emergency? Gee. What a surprise.
I hope every one of you are thinking about the November election and how that will be carried out,@;$ how you specifically will help.
DH is done with working at the polls. Let the whiners who know everything run it.
I think it is quaint that ya’ll assume continued competence from election boards is no big deal. An entire government system based on volunteers. What could possibly go wrong in an emergency? Gee. What a surprise.
I hope every one of you are thinking about the November election and how that will be carried out,@;$ how you specifically will help.
DH is done with working at the polls. Let the whiners who know everything run it.
I can't say enough good for statewide vote by mail; it works.
iris lilies
4-8-20, 11:40am
I can't say enough good for statewide vote by mail; it works.
Exactly! You have the answer! You and 50 billion other people who will not lift a finger. Despite your IT background I see that you recommend paper ballots.
I don’t know how you think a paper ballot system will be processed.
The Techno crowd of course thinks software will solve it all. For them The Answer is always technology.
sorry to be so crabby about this but it is a hot button for me.
Apparently we have the technology and know how to manage paper ballots. Oregon and Washington would surely be happy to offer consulting on this most radical technology. And if people have elected state officials incapable or unwilling to make this happen then they need to elect better officials. WI failing to send ballots to people is just another example of republicans telling people government can’t do anything right and then working hard to show the people that they really are the incompetent idiots They promised to be once they get elected.
Edited to add, California could probably offer consulting as well. I just looked it up and north of 60% (fully 68% in 2018) of the largest states voters use absentee ballots.
Teacher Terry
4-8-20, 12:23pm
My husband loves working the polls and I don’t consider it volunteer work because they get paid. He wants to work them in June but it’s too dangerous and we will further discuss this. They can use the national guard if needed.
iris lilies
4-8-20, 12:39pm
Apparently we have the technology and know how to manage paper ballots. Oregon and Washington would surely be happy to offer consulting on this most radical technology. And if people have elected state officials incapable or unwilling to make this happen then they need to elect better officials. WI failing to send ballots to people is just another example of republicans telling people government can’t do anything right and then working hard to show the people that they really are the incompetent idiots They promised to be once they get elected.
Please volunteer to work those paper ballot systems.
iris lilies
4-8-20, 1:11pm
My husband loves working the polls and I don’t consider it volunteer work because they get paid. He wants to work them in June but it’s too dangerous and we will further discuss this. They can use the national guard if needed.
You are free to not “consider it volunteer work” but clearly, labor for elections is provided largely by those who offer their time on a voluntary basis. They are not conscripted and their ongoing employment does not hinge on working a poll.
Low level poll workers here work 14.5 hour days at $7.24/hour, and the supervisors work longer hours.
Exactly! You have the answer! You and 50 billion other people who will not lift a finger. Despite your IT background I see that you recommend paper ballots.
I don’t know how you think a paper ballot system will be processed.
The Techno crowd of course thinks software will solve it all. For them The Answer is always technology.
sorry to be so crabby about this but it is a hot button for me.
From https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/faq_vote_by_mail.aspx
How does the elections department process my vote by mail (absentee) ballot securely?
It is essential to the integrity of an election that ballot processing be accurate and transparent, while maintaining your right to a secret ballot. After you return your voted ballot, your county elections department follows this ballot counting process:
Your signature on the outer return envelope is checked against the signature on file in your voter registration record to make sure they match.
You are credited for voting in that election. This ensures that only one ballot from each voter is counted.
The outer return envelope, which identifies you, is then separated from the inner security envelope, which contains your voted ballot. Your ballot cannot be traced back to you, ensuring the secrecy of your vote.
All ballots are inspected to make sure the tabulating machine will be able to read all votes. Tabulation equipment is tested before every election to make sure it is working accurately.
The above steps continue with all ballots until the election is certified.
Elections are certified 10 days after Special Elections, 14 days after Primaries and 21 days after General Elections. Preliminary election results are released on election night after 8 p.m. and are updated as additional ballots are counted.
You are welcome to observe ballot processing. Contact your county elections department for more information.
iris lilies
4-8-20, 1:34pm
From https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/faq_vote_by_mail.aspx
How does the elections department process my vote by mail (absentee) ballot securely?
It is essential to the integrity of an election that ballot processing be accurate and transparent, while maintaining your right to a secret ballot. After you return your voted ballot, your county elections department follows this ballot counting process:
Your signature on the outer return envelope is checked against the signature on file in your voter registration record to make sure they match.
You are credited for voting in that election. This ensures that only one ballot from each voter is counted.
The outer return envelope, which identifies you, is then separated from the inner security envelope, which contains your voted ballot. Your ballot cannot be traced back to you, ensuring the secrecy of your vote.
All ballots are inspected to make sure the tabulating machine will be able to read all votes. Tabulation equipment is tested before every election to make sure it is working accurately.
The above steps continue with all ballots until the election is certified.
Elections are certified 10 days after Special Elections, 14 days after Primaries and 21 days after General Elections. Preliminary election results are released on election night after 8 p.m. and are updated as additional ballots are counted.
You are welcome to observe ballot processing. Contact your county elections department for more information.
so?
At the end of the day it is not clear to me why anyone would think paper ballots are unrealistic. If I go vote in person I still fill out a paper ballot. Since they are scannable it’s not as if there are massive teams of ‘volunteers’ shouting ‘one for Hillary’ to a tabulator or something. I suppose sure, if you have a stupid system like Florida did 20 years ago that happens, but our ballots don’t have chads. Just little circles that get filled in. No more complicated or difficult to tally than the SAT exam I took 35 years ago with my number 2 pencil and a scantron sheet.
And paper ballots have the significant bonus of not being hackable in nearly as easy of a manner as computers.
"so?"
So our voting process seems well-designed to me (and practically everyone else in this state). It also requires far fewer poll workers. I'm not sure what your complaint is.
Teacher Terry
4-8-20, 2:41pm
Here they make 10/hour and it's mostly retirees who want to do it. Last year we made some new friends from some of the people he worked with. They do it because they like too.
Exactly! You have the answer! You and 50 billion other people who will not lift a finger. Despite your IT background I see that you recommend paper ballots.
I don’t know how you think a paper ballot system will be processed.
The Techno crowd of course thinks software will solve it all. For them The Answer is always technology.
sorry to be so crabby about this but it is a hot button for me.
Yeah, look how technology helped the Russians interfer in the last elections.
Yeah, look how technology helped the Russians interfer in the last elections.
Did they interfere at the ballot box or in the counting of ballots? I thought they just put stupid stuff on Facebook.
Did they interfere at the ballot box or in the counting of ballots? I thought they just put stupid stuff on Facebook.
States were hacked... ie Florida.
States were hacked... ie Florida.
As I understand it, the electoral system was not hacked anywhere although the DNC and Republican campaign offices were along with the email accounts of both Democratic and Republican politicians. I believe that rather than the election being hacked, the voters responsible for its outcome were through the release of confidential material designed to influence its outcome. Am I wrong about that?
iris lilies
4-8-20, 10:20pm
My point about paper ballot systems, obscure to some, is that many little human hands are still handling thousands of paper products, vectors of disease.
Yes, disease exposure to many people is reduced when only poll workers are at risk. Which is why I repeatedly invited you all to work the polls whether it be a paper system or whatever.
Jp1 made fun of an election official who wore protective gear for being around the public for 14+ hours and that seems clueless to me. Going into a polling place as a voter is far less exposure than interacting hundreds of voters in a day.
My point about the election official, perhaps missed, was that he was one of the people who decided against extending voting to give people time to get absentee ballots and return them, subjecting millions of voters to the choice of either not voting or risking their lives by going out to the polls. An infinitely more risky choice than touching paper ballots in any way shape or form. Similar to my comment about the WI supreme court opting to not have in person sessions while at the same time forcing people to go to the polls if they cared enough about voting. The assholery of both is astounding.
ApatheticNoMore
4-8-20, 11:10pm
States were hacked... ie Florida.
not plural, possible one county immaterial to the overall results of the election. Look Trump is possible as bad as it gets (although W is in the running), Hillary won the popular vote, the usual types of voters disenfranchisement/discouragement were probably done, but I have never seen any legitimate claim elections were hacked in any way that could possible impact the outcome.
My point about paper ballot systems, obscure to some, is that many little human hands are still handling thousands of paper products, vectors of disease.
Yes, disease exposure to many people is reduced when only poll workers are at risk. Which is why I repeatedly invited you all to work the polls whether it be a paper system or whatever.
Jp1 made fun of an election official who wore protective gear for being around the public for 14+ hours and that seems clueless to me. Going into a polling place as a voter is far less exposure than interacting hundreds of voters in a day.
This is an unusual situation which is unlikely to recur. The ballots would likely be in transit/sitting around for long enough that any virus would be well and truly dead, anyway. Or they could use one of those U-V chambers medical personnel are starting to use to sterilize masks. And workers could make liberal use of PPE, disinfectant, etc. Has anyone caught a virus from mail?
I can’t decide whether Wisconsin made the right decision or not in balancing democracy with safety, but I do see the situation as a victory for the rule of law. The state legislature, for either good or ill reasons, frustrated the Governor’s attempt to arbitrarily suspend and reschedule an election. The state Supreme Court affirmed their constitutional power to do so. A federal court tried to intervene, but the SCOTUS reaffirmed that the Wisconsin legislature could make law for the State of Wisconsin.
It may or may not have been a stupid decision, but it was Wisconsin’s decision to make. Maybe an extreme example of how federalism is supposed to work. The States are not subordinate to the central government; rather it is the other way around. No matter how afraid people are.
dado potato
4-9-20, 2:22pm
The States are not subordinate to the central government; rather it is the other way around.
See the United States Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2.
State laws are subordinate to federal laws and regulations when there is any conflict. So if it is not possible to comply with a state law without violating a federal law or regulation, the state law is of no effect.
See also: Federalist #33, by Alexander Hamilton, and Federalist #44, by James Madison.
I agree that the actions on election day were fully in accordance with the rule of law.
Likewise, the rejection of any absentee ballots that were not postmarked before 8 PM on election day, or that were not hand-delivered before the polls closed. "There is no legal remedy", even if a voter feels that their ballot should be counted.
While the supremacy clause applies to a direct conflict between state and federal law, which isn’t the case here, I was thinking more in terms of sovereignty. The federal government exists by an agreement between the states, and not the other way around. Federal judges dictating state election schedules, absent some violation of either a state or federal law, would strike me as something the SCOTUS is right to strike down.
I’ve often wondered how it is that various states can pass laws relating to marijuana that would seem to conflict with federal law in a much more direct way.
not plural, possible one county immaterial to the overall results of the election. Look Trump is possible as bad as it gets (although W is in the running), Hillary won the popular vote, the usual types of voters disenfranchisement/discouragement were probably done, but I have never seen any legitimate claim elections were hacked in any way that could possible impact the outcome.
hacking is hacking...
I can’t decide whether Wisconsin made the right decision or not in balancing democracy with safety, but I do see the situation as a victory for the rule of law. The state legislature, for either good or ill reasons, frustrated the Governor’s attempt to arbitrarily suspend and reschedule an election. The state Supreme Court affirmed their constitutional power to do so. A federal court tried to intervene, but the SCOTUS reaffirmed that the Wisconsin legislature could make law for the State of Wisconsin.
It may or may not have been a stupid decision, but it was Wisconsin’s decision to make. Maybe an extreme example of how federalism is supposed to work. The States are not subordinate to the central government; rather it is the other way around. No matter how afraid people are.
It was to the advantage of Republicans (Wisconsin legislature) to have the election. Milwaukee (the largest city) is primarily democratic and 5 of 180 polling sites were available. I also think Evers should have made the request sooner BUT COVID19 should have been a consideration. It is not worth dying to cast a vote.
See the United States Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2.
State laws are subordinate to federal laws and regulations when there is any conflict. So if it is not possible to comply with a state law without violating a federal law or regulation, the state law is of no effect.
See also: Federalist #33, by Alexander Hamilton, and Federalist #44, by James Madison.
I agree that the actions on election day were fully in accordance with the rule of law.
Likewise, the rejection of any absentee ballots that were not postmarked before 8 PM on election day, or that were not hand-delivered before the polls closed. "There is no legal remedy", even if a voter feels that their ballot should be counted.
Today there were boxes of unmailed absentee ballots found at an Oshkosh, WI post office. People had been calling that they had not been received. The clerks checked and kept telling people they were mailed. I hope they find the culprit!!!
Today there were boxes of unmailed absentee ballots found at an Oshkosh, WI post office. People had been calling that they had not been received. The clerks checked and kept telling people they were mailed. I hope they find the culprit!!!Were they stored with the completed ballots that are usually found at the last minute in too close to call elections?
It was to the advantage of Republicans (Wisconsin legislature) to have the election. Milwaukee (the largest city) is primarily democratic and 5 of 180 polling sites were available. I also think Evers should have made the request sooner BUT COVID19 should have been a consideration. It is not worth dying to cast a vote.
I agree that it is primarily Democrats who were impacted, but I don't see how that benefits Republicans in a primary election. Once results are known we may see if Biden or Sanders benefited by comparing their poll numbers to their results. Did it hurt Biden because he tends to do better among African-Americans? Did it hurt Sanders because he relies more on turnout?
I agree that it is primarily Democrats who were impacted, but I don't see how that benefits Republicans in a primary election. Once results are known we may see if Biden or Sanders benefited by comparing their poll numbers to their results. Did it hurt Biden because he tends to do better among African-Americans? Did it hurt Sanders because he relies more on turnout?
I had that same thought, although Bernie giving up sort of makes it moot. Also, Wisconsin elects Supreme Court Justices (which I always thought a little odd), so it wasn’t entirely meaningless.
dado potato
4-9-20, 6:56pm
Wisconsin elects Supreme Court Justices (which I always thought a little odd)
Yes on the ballots last Tuesday there were two candidates to be a Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court. In recent years there has been a polarization on the bench of the WI Supreme Court, which is politely referred to as differences between conservative and liberal justices. One incumbent justice, Daniel Kelly, was up for election, having been appointed to the Supreme Court by former Governor Scott Walker (Republican) to fill a vacancy. His opponent was Judge Jill Karofsky. Neither candidate was identified on the ballot as Republican or Democrat, and their campaign advertising was not overtly partisan. But the support each candidate was given by political luminaries clearly ran along party lines. The day before the election, Donald Trump tweeted:
VOTE for Justice Daniel Kelly tomorrow...
Then, in the wee hours of election day, Trump tweeted again:
Vote today, Tuesday, for highly respected Republican, Justice Daniel Kelly. Tough on Crime, loves your Military, Vets, Farmers & will save your 2nd Amendment. A BIG VOTE!
So it would seem the election was not meaningless to a certain resident of Florida, the POTUS.
Were they stored with the completed ballots that are usually found at the last minute in too close to call elections?
Don't be a jerk.
I agree that it is primarily Democrats who were impacted, but I don't see how that benefits Republicans in a primary election. Once results are known we may see if Biden or Sanders benefited by comparing their poll numbers to their results. Did it hurt Biden because he tends to do better among African-Americans? Did it hurt Sanders because he relies more on turnout?
Read other posts.... not just presidential primary in WI.
Don't be a jerk.
Gosh, if you'd only suggested that 50 or so years ago maybe it would have been one of those moments that changes a life forever. It's probably too late now though, thanks for trying.
But 50 years ago, according to that picture, you were an angel!
frugal-one
4-10-20, 10:03am
But 50 years ago, according to that picture, you were an angel!
Yeah, that was 50 years ago!
Yeah, that was 50 years ago!It was actually more like 60 but I've always looked young for my age, thanks again.
It was actually more like 60 but I've always looked young for my age, thanks again.
My experience is that such youthfulness generally comes from either a clean or nonexistent conscience. It has also been my observation that among USAF veterans the former condition usually applies, with the possible exception of those attaining field grade rank and approximately half of flag rank officers.
My experience is that such youthfulness generally comes from either a clean or nonexistent conscience. It has also been my observation that among USAF veterans the former condition usually applies, with the possible exception of those attaining field grade rank and approximately half of flag rank officers.We old Buck Sergeants are definitely the former.
I’m reading Biden won all the Wisconsin delegates with about 64% of the vote.
I’ve got my “I Voted” toe tag just in case.
And the conservative WI supreme court justice Kelly lost. Apparently the republicans cynical effort to suppress turnout with fear of death failed. Hopefully that effort won't result in a surge of covid-19 infections over the next week or two. If it does then even gerrymandering may not be enough to keep republicans in power there.
And the conservative WI supreme court justice Kelly lost. Apparently the republicans cynical effort to suppress turnout with fear of death failed.
Or maybe the liberal assumption that Democrats are incapable of voting under the same conditions as Republicans is mis-guided.
ApatheticNoMore
4-13-20, 9:53pm
Of course they aren't voting under the same conditions. Where many Dem voters live in Milwaukee had way more cases of coronavirus than other places.
But I guess people turned out to vote, I wouldn't have, not contributing to a deadly pandemic would have been my priority over participating in some election (they have them ever few years anyway, what's the rush).
During a press conference recently, someone asked the IL gov if he had the power to stop the primary here. He said no. He’s correct - in IL, the legislature would have to do it.
During a press conference recently, someone asked the IL gov if he had the power to stop the primary here. He said no. He’s correct - in IL, the legislature would have to do it.
And in Wisconsin the legislature failed their duty. If they had wanted to do the right thing they would have used the special session to extend absentee voting. But they didn't because that's not the republican style. I hope that doesn't mean extra dead people. But if it does mean extra dead folks I hope it also means less evil republicans in office because rational people will look at that and say "those people are ****ing awful human beings.
And in Wisconsin the legislature failed their duty. If they had wanted to do the right thing they would have used the special session to extend absentee voting. But they didn't because that's not the republican style. I hope that doesn't mean extra dead people. But if it does mean extra dead folks I hope it also means less evil republicans in office because rational people will look at that and say "those people are ****ing awful human beings.
Tellingly, the SCOTUS--who decided it was OK for Wisconsin voters to risk their lives standing in line in rain and hail for hours at too few polling stations--has since decided to conduct their own business from the safety and comfort of their homes.
It is not the job of the SCOTUS to decide what outcome is and is not “OK” in practical or ethical terms. It is their job to determine whether a given player acted consistently with the law, not an override system system for government decisions we don’t like. They are not an executive or legislature of last resort.
Ldahl is right. It was the republican WI legislature's job to move the election to keep people safe. They decided that vote suppression was more important than people's safety so the blood from any uptick in illnesses/death from covid-19 related to the election will be on their hands.
dado potato
4-22-20, 11:16am
In Milwaukee 18,803 people cast their ballots in-person at one of 5 polling stations on April 7.
On April 20 Dr. Jeannette Kowalik, Milwaukee Health Commissioner, stated: As of today we have identified seven individuals that contracted -- at least it appears -- COVID-19 through election related activities. Of the 7, 6 were voters, and 1 was a poll worker.
Edited to add: On April 24, Dr. Kowalik revised the count to 40.
Death--the most effective voter suppression ever!
Death--the most effective voter suppression ever!
Unless you're in Chicago where dead people vote.
Unless you're in Chicago where dead people vote.
Chicago actually stations uniformed cops at all polling places. I moved to Chicago in 1996. The first time I voted after I moved, I was shocked to see a cop inside the polling place. I mentioned to the cop that such things weren't needed in Michigan where I had just moved from. Cop gave me a nasty look and might have said something about not talking to him. :D
Chicago actually stations uniformed cops at all polling places. I moved to Chicago in 1996. The first time I voted after I moved, I was shocked to see a cop inside the polling place. I mentioned to the cop that such things weren't needed in Michigan where I had just moved from. Cop gave me a nasty look and might have said something about not talking to him. :D
Chicago may have more resources available to deploy relative to Michigan, who needs to pursue unauthorized motorboat usage and contraband flower seeds.
I actually bought flower seeds today in Michigan.
Just because I could, bwahaha.
When petunias are outlawed, only outlaws will have petunias.
dado potato
4-28-20, 6:35pm
4/28 has arrived... How is Ohio doing with the mail-in vote?
From what I read, only a fraction of the eligible voters applied for the mail-in ballots... and of these, many did not receive the ballots in time, so they have the Plan B option of casting a provisional ballot in person.
I understand that line-ups were expected on election day. I hope the waits were not excessively long.
Some reports mentioned that Ohio voters would be able to track their ballot after they mailed it in -- adding to their confidence that their vote would count (fraud would be absent).
I hope that voters di not "go postal" with frustration. <wink>
4/28 has arrived... How is Ohio doing with the mail-in vote?
I hope that voters di not "go postal" with frustration. <wink>We're fine, thanks for asking.
If you're looking for a better case of voter suppression you might look at Maryland and their issues with last minute mail-in of ballots in their 7th District election to replace Elijah Cummings. The Governor is Republican but the General Assembly is controlled by Democrats so it's probably not as satisfying a read.
dado potato
4-28-20, 7:43pm
@ Alan
I briefly scanned the news headlines about the District 7 election in Maryland. I did not see any mention of voter suppression. I understand that absentee ballots were mailed to 484,000 registered voters in the district, and provision was made for persons with disabilities to vote in person. Could you describe what were the issues in the District with last minute mail-in ballots?
@ Alan
I briefly scanned the news headlines about the District 7 election in Maryland. I did not see any mention of voter suppression. I understand that absentee ballots were mailed to 484,000 registered voters in the district, and provision was made for persons with disabilities to vote in person. Could you describe what were the issues in the District with last minute mail-in ballots?
Constitutional issue involving a poll tax due to the requirement that some voters supply their own stamps, difficulty locating ballot drop off boxes in some neighborhoods and some households with multiple voters only receiving one ballot.
I personally believe those issues are the simple result of local officials having difficulty with last minute voting and have nothing to do with voter suppression, but I'm sure others will disagree.
Edited to provide links: https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-congress-election-lost-ballots-20200424-ea7xi6bepvblhpttjr37l2ylgm-story.html#nws=true
https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/elections/bs-md-pol-special-general-election-7th-district-need-to-know-20200427-ugk25hrp2zfafay2ajzmwnm73m-story.html#nws=true
You may have to copy/paste to get them to work due to their source.
In Washington, at least, stamps aren't required, ballot drop-off boxes are widely advertised, and if there are problems with people not getting ballots, they must be rare, as I haven't heard of them. Voters in both Oregon and Washington report being very satisfied with vote by mail.
I see New York has cancelled their Democratic primary scheduled for June.
frugal-one
4-29-20, 1:35pm
I see New York has cancelled their Democratic primary scheduled for June.
... and Andrew Yang is suing... sheesh
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/29/andrew-yang-suing-new-york-over-canceled-democratic-primary/3047586001/
... and Andrew Yang is suing... sheesh
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/29/andrew-yang-suing-new-york-over-canceled-democratic-primary/3047586001/
I’m reading that the Bernie people are pretty unhappy too. Some still wanted to register a sort of protest vote, and others thought a higher delegate count would give the socialist faction a bit more influence over the party platform.
A ray of light: https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article242372821.html
A federal appeals court has rejected Kansas’ effort to reinstate a law requiring prospective voters to provide birth certificates, passports and other documents before registering to vote.
The U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a lower court’s ruling Wednesday that the policy (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article213415624.html), crafted and championed by former Kansas Secretary Kris Kobach, places undue barriers to Kansans exercising their constitutional right to vote.
The proof of citizenship law took effect in 2013 and caused thousands of potential voters to go into a suspended registration (https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article36705666.html)status when they failed to provide the required documents. The court said the number of suspended voters directly undercuts the state’s argument that the law ensures the integrity of elections.
Texas republicans just had a significant setback in their voter suppression efforts as well.
Maybe republicans should focus more effort on coming up with election platforms that will make people want to vote for them instead of trying to suppress voter turnout.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/05/19/federal-judge-says-texas-voters-can-vote-mail-during-coronavirus/
dado potato
10-21-20, 2:35pm
only one of our two main political parties wants everyone to be able to safely vote.
A source of reporting on misinformation, voter suppression, and possible voter intimidation http://www.propublica.org/electionland
We desperately need a new Voting Rights Act since SCOTUS torpedoed the one we had. It's clear that free and fair voting in this country continue to be under attack.
We desperately need a new Voting Rights Act since SCOTUS torpedoed the one we had. It's clear that free and fair voting in this country continue to be under attack.
Didn't take long for The Usual Tricks to come out:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/the-gop-just-received-another-tool-for-suppressing-votes/550052/
Didn't take long for The Usual Tricks to come out:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/the-gop-just-received-another-tool-for-suppressing-votes/550052/
I guess it's too much to ask of people to just conduct elections fairly. That's pretty disheartening.
And now we have people setting a ballot drop box on fire in southern CA and emails being sent to people in Florida and Alaska threatening them with harm if they don't vote for the orange buffoon. It's all so dispiriting.
And it appears that we already know where the emails are coming from.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/21/fbi-to-make-an-announcement-on-a-major-election-security-issue.html
frugal-one
10-22-20, 1:24pm
Headline in today's paper (Madison, WI) .... Election 2020/Postal Service... 15,000 contact Baldwin ... Voters share concerns for counting absentee ballots on election day....
Thousands of WI voters and postal workers have raised concerns with US Sen. Tammy Baldwin that the US Postal Service isn't ready to handle the high number of absentee ballots come Election Day.
A repairman at the USPS Madison office and one of the postal workers who contacted Baldwin's office, said in an interview that only one of two automated flat mail sorting machines, which handles larger mail such as absentee ballots, is operating for the Madison Post Office.
"If something goes wrong, the sorting machine could be down for 12 hours". "Right now, we are doing OK, but I'm not sure what will happen when we get to Election Day."
Balwin sent a letter to DeJoy... which included pictures of signs on a connected sorting machine in the Madison Post Office directing that it should not be run or operated. The repairman said the signs were posted to ensure that the machine shows up as connected in USPS data, but is not actually used.
ETA: The repairman was named in the article. Wonder how long he'll get to keep his job?
iris lilies
10-22-20, 1:27pm
Help me summarize.
Voting by mail is good? Until it is bad? What are we supposed to think about voting by mail ‘cause it seems to change weekly.
Help me summarize.
Voting by mail is good? Until it is bad? What are we supposed to think about voting by mail ‘cause it seems to change weekly.
I think the preferred narrative is that voting by mail is good but those bad Republicans are trying to limit it's usage because it somehow helps them. Though in fairness, I think that if the election goes a certain way, the narrative may change.
frugal-one
10-22-20, 3:33pm
I think the preferred narrative is that voting by mail is good but those bad Republicans are trying to limit it's usage because it somehow helps them. Though in fairness, I think that if the election goes a certain way, the narrative may change.
How do you explain postal workers taking pictures of what is transpiring?
Help me summarize.
Voting by mail is good? Until it is bad? What are we supposed to think about voting by mail ‘cause it seems to change weekly.
I've been voting by mail for over a decade here, it's the only method available, and it seems to work well.
I miss the cookies and coffee that the little old ladies who ran the neighborhood polling place used to set out though.
iris lilies
10-22-20, 4:21pm
Oh god only 10 more days. 10 more days.
Oh god only 10 more days. 10 more days.
Plus any overtime.
How do you explain postal workers taking pictures of what is transpiring?I don't think it's possible for me to explain photos with no explanation or background to accompany them. Maybe it's easier for you but I seem to be cursed with the requirement of more info.
iris lilies
10-22-20, 6:02pm
Plus any overtime.
stop that now!
frugal-one
10-22-20, 6:12pm
I don't think it's possible for me to explain photos with no explanation or background to accompany them. Maybe it's easier for you but I seem to be cursed with the requirement of more info.
The postal workers explained them. You just don't want to listen.
dado potato
10-29-20, 1:09pm
Ballot drop boxes have been torched in at least 2 instances. Officials have sought criminal investigation and have responded by increasing the frequency of pick-ups of ballots from the drop boxes.
October 18: Baldwin Park suburb east of Los Angeles, with an estimated 75% Latinx population. Torched drop box contained about 100 ballots.
October 25: Boston downtown. Torched drop box contained 122 ballots, 87 of which were still able to be processed. 35 ballots destroyed.
(Reported in USA Today)
And then this happened in N.C. today. Pepper spraying and arresting peaceful protestors (and a member of the press) having a march to the polling place. Sadly this is will surprise approximately no one.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-pepper-spray-voters-as-they-march-to-polls-in-graham-north-carolina
And then this happened in N.C. today. Pepper spraying and arresting peaceful protestors (and a member of the press) having a march to the polling place. Sadly this is will surprise approximately no one.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-pepper-spray-voters-as-they-march-to-polls-in-graham-north-carolina
What does that have to do with voter suppression?
I'm wondering what I should expect if I'm part of a crowd blocking traffic and disrupting businesses without a permit? Probably something like this. I know we're supposed to see victims everywhere we look, but I'm just not seeing it. In the linked video the police were clearing the street of people who appeared to be going nowhere, they certainly weren't attempting to vote. I'm guessing that claim was the hook to bring in readers.
Those damn people peaceably assembling. I wonder if the constitution has something to say about that.
They were marching to the polls to vote. Children as young as 5 were affected by the pepper spray. It was billed as a nonpartisan event to get out the vote.
There is no excuse.
Those damn people peaceably assembling. I wonder if the constitution has something to say about that.
They were marching to the polls to vote. Children as young as 5 were affected by the pepper spray. It was billed as a nonpartisan event to get out the vote.
There is no excuse.It's too bad someone gave them the idea they could take over a public thoroughfare and hold it hostage for as long as they wanted. It must have been a shock to be encouraged to move along after long months of the media, social media and well meaning but clueless liberals re-defining peaceful protest to include unlawful activities such as rioting, looting, burning and denying fellow citizens access to public spaces.
Hopefully they took the opportunity to continue to the polls and vote if that was their intention.
It's too bad someone gave them the idea they could take over a public thoroughfare and hold it hostage for as long as they wanted. It must have been a shock to be encouraged to move along after long months of the media, social media and well meaning but clueless liberals re-defining peaceful protest to include unlawful activities such as rioting, looting, burning and denying fellow citizens access to public spaces.
Hopefully they took the opportunity to continue to the polls and vote if that was their intention.
I did not get the same takeaway from the article, nothing about "well meaning but clueless liberals re-defining peaceful protest to include unlawful activities such as rioting, looting, burning and denying fell citizens access to public spaces."
Seemed like people marching to vote to me, and it's kind of hard to continue to the polls and vote if you are arrested, or vomiting, or taking care of your sick five year old who has been attacked by the police with tear gas.
It is like we read different articles.
This situation is heart-breaking, and it seems racially motivated to me. Like a return to the early 60's.
It is like we read different articles.
Did you watch the embedded video in the article? It clearly showed that protesters had blocked a round-a-bout and refused to stay within the marked route or move out of the public thoroughfare when ordered to do so.
I did not get the same takeaway from the article, nothing about "well meaning but clueless liberals re-defining peaceful protest to include unlawful activities such as rioting, looting, burning and denying fell citizens access to public spaces." That certainly wasn't included in the article but it is my takeaway from months of "peaceful protests" which almost always turn into something else while well meaning people make excuses for bad behavior.
Did you watch the embedded video in the article? It clearly showed that protesters had blocked a round-a-bout and refused to stay within the marked route or move out of the public thoroughfare when ordered to do so.
That certainly wasn't included in the article but it is my takeaway from months of "peaceful protests" which almost always turn into something else while well meaning people make excuses for bad behavior.[/COLOR]
I did not, I am sorry, I did not realize it was there.
Teacher Terry
11-1-20, 1:15pm
Alan is actually right this time:))
Oh the irony. Brian Kemp, Georgia governor, is under quarantine after being in close contact with an aid who has covid. Because of Georgia's republican-style "less voting is better" voting laws he and his wife won't be able to vote in this election unless he decides to violate his quarantine and put others at the polling place at risk of exposure to covid should he turn out to have been infected.
Where were the cops with pepper spray? I'm sure all the republicans here agree that it would have been appropriate.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/01/trump-caravans-snarl-traffic-on-garden-state-pkwy-mario-cuomo-bridge/
Where were the cops with pepper spray? I'm sure all the republicans here agree that it would have been appropriate.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/01/trump-caravans-snarl-traffic-on-garden-state-pkwy-mario-cuomo-bridge/
Seems to me that Caterpillar D9s with water cannons would be more appropriate. The roads must roll.
I’m reading a lot of businesses are boarding up their storefronts in anticipation of election protests/celebrations that include the customary theft and vandalism.
dado potato
11-3-20, 1:47pm
Residents of Flint MI received robocalls saying that due to long lines at the polls, they should vote on Wednesday.
MI Attorney General tweeted on Tuesday morning that the messages are false and "an effort to suppress the vote... Today is the last day to vote. Don't believe the lies."
early morning
11-3-20, 1:48pm
Where were the cops with pepper spray? I'm sure all the republicans here agree that it would have been appropriate.
crickets.....
dado potato
11-3-20, 2:03pm
Another use of robocalls to spread misinformation resulted in two men in Ohio being indicted for telecommunications fraud. Prosecutors allege that they sent 85,000 robocalls to Democrats in MI, NY, PA, OH and IL:
If you vote by mail, your personal information will be part of a public database that will be used by police departments to track down old warrants and be used by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts.
frugal-one
11-3-20, 3:17pm
Texas governor required to keep drive up voting against his will. There were 9 drive up sites and now only 1. Talk about voter suppression!
iris lilies
11-3-20, 4:30pm
crickets.....
Why do you say say that? I am annoyed when highways are made impassible by any kind of protesters.
I will not say what the police should do because the police get to decide how to tackle each situation, they are the pros not me. I know they don’t pepper spray the protesters here in St. Louis who have shut down highways.
Trump has made numerous baseless claims that Philadelphia would have ‘bad things’ happen with the vote counting. He told everyone we needed to ‘watch Philadelphia’. Philadelphia is now letting everyone watch. The whole world can supervise them via a YouTube livestream.
I guess it’s a sign of the times. One party has A major city stronghold live streaming the vote counting, and the other party is suing in multiple jurisdictions to try to disenfranchise as many voters as they can. Seems pretty clear which one believes in America more.
Finally. The vote fraud has been found.
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-17-20/h_872653bf5bd85dc1af81871fb9d446cd
iris lilies
11-17-20, 4:29pm
Frankly, I think the issue of whether signatures “really truly match “is worthy of discussion. That’s one of the things that worries me about vote by mail.
I've never had to do anything other than sign the roll book when I've voted in person.
I've never had to do anything other than sign the roll book when I've voted in person.Isn't there a copy of your signature in the roll book next to the spot where you sign on election day? That's how signatures are compared in Ohio when voting in person.
Isn't there a copy of your signature in the roll book next to the spot where you sign on election day? That's how signatures are compared in Ohio when voting in person.
Yes. And when I do mail in voting they compare the signature on the outer envelope to the voter roll as well. No difference between the two.
Yes. And when I do mail in voting they compare the signature on the outer envelope to the voter roll as well. No difference between the two.
That's what they do in my county. As I mentioned elsewhere, I had my vote bounced by the County Elections Folks in an earlier election this year, as my signature didn't match. I had an arm injury that changed my signature enough that it didn't look similar enough.
Elections Folks contacted me to sort it out, so that my ballot was properly handled.
Easy Peasey.
rosarugosa
11-17-20, 7:13pm
I've never signed anything when voting in person at the polls. I tell them my address, then tell them my name, and they check me off and give me a ballot. The process is repeated after I vote.
I've never signed anything when voting in person at the polls. I tell them my address, then tell them my name, and they check me off and give me a ballot. The process is repeated after I vote.
How do they know it's you and not some random person walking in and saying "Hi, I'm Rosa! I live at 123 Main St."
That's what they do in my county. As I mentioned elsewhere, I had my vote bounced by the County Elections Folks in an earlier election this year, as my signature didn't match. I had an arm injury that changed my signature enough that it didn't look similar enough.
Elections Folks contacted me to sort it out, so that my ballot was properly handled.
Easy Peasey.
Good thing you live in WA and not GA. Otherwise Lindsay Graham might be trying to have the secretary of state throw your ballot out.
rosarugosa
11-18-20, 6:32am
How do they know it's you and not some random person walking in and saying "Hi, I'm Rosa! I live at 123 Main St."
They don't. I do have to provide the address first, and then give one of the names they have listed at that address, and if I was a fraud, I would need to be choosing someone who hadn't already come in to vote.
I guess when/if the second person showed up claiming to be Rosa, they would know there was a problem.
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