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It's clear now why I'm not surprised that trumpies who only watch faux news are as ignorant as they are. SO just spent the last 20 minutes switching back and forth between faux and cnn. (Why I allowed myself to participate, I'm not sure beyond the fact that I was dealing with the evening's dishes...) One channel was nonstop pressing absurd conspiracy theories that china intentionally caused covid-19 (admittedly most intelligent people long ago figured out that tucker carlson isn't really a very bright or honest person...), the other was soberly discussing how we recover from this and move forward.
iris lilies
4-16-20, 8:54am
Jp, do you give any traction to the theory that this Covid19 virus came out of a Wuhan lab? I first heard it weeks ago from a Fox watching friend, but now it is reappearing as ?mainstream? I’m not even sure it was floated by Fox at first. Since we don’t have cable at home and I never watch it in Herman I don’t watch Fox News.
I do ascribe to the idea that China knows exactly how many people died of Covid19 because they have societal monitoring systems to measure that. They also feel no obligation to share that info, secretive as they are. Was it deliberately released? I doubt it.
happystuff
4-16-20, 9:03am
Personally, I don't believe it was deliberate.
ToomuchStuff
4-16-20, 10:47am
While I don't believe it to be deliberate, I've talked with enough Asian people, whose view is China always thinks long term enough, that the idea that China could "accidentally" release a population reducing pandemic, into the world, could reduce the resources the world has to share, is something that some believe.
I gotta say, with all respect, OP, that when I view any person as being "a stupid eff" I have to step back and look at how I am approaching the world. Just sayin'.
I will never understand this faith some have in the ineffable power of Fox News; to the point where “Fox News Talking Point” is a sort of chant or incantation against evil political spirits.
The influence of cable news in general and Fox in particular seems fairly minimal to me. Fox’s criticism of Obama never seemed all that effective. The hostility they expressed toward Trump during the 2016 primaries wasn’t very telling. They certainly didn’t seem to have minimized the 2018 disaster in any significant way.
So why has Fox become such a name to conjure with when the Left needs a boogeymen/scapegoat? I’m not talking about anecdotal stories about benighted family members. I’m talking about influence in the real world. Is it simply just an outlier on the woke media universe?
Is it simply just an outlier on the woke media universe?
I think it's a cultural/ideological boogieman to many who can't separate news from opinion and have a low tolerance for opinions that may not line up perfectly with theirs. In my experience, they also seem to have a great deal of intolerance at their core.
I think it's exacerbated by the trend of presenting news as entertainment. MSNBC and CNN audiences really enjoy having their favorite opinion personalities slam their biggest competitor so the demonization becomes profitable.
ApatheticNoMore
4-16-20, 12:04pm
CNN is garbage, I had to watch it in the lobby at work constantly at one time. GARBAGE.
Fox may be garbage too for sure, the thing is I've never had to watch much Fox so I can't say that I've watched almost any Fox in my life. But as for people being influenced by Fox, I think it's probably PART of a larger right-wing media complex people find themselves involved in. And of course such echo chambers influence people. But ... but the left has echo chambers. This is true and some of them get it wrong for sure, I just don't think it's the equivalent degree of misinformation. Of course I don't consider CNN on the left, I consider it corporate and warmongering, and boring really, covering the same stories all the time, lest any new news break in.
catherine
4-16-20, 12:06pm
CNN is garbage, I had to watch it in the lobby at work constantly at one time. GARBAGE.
Fox may be garbage too for sure, the thing is I've never had to watch much Fox so I haven't.
Frankly, the only time I feel sorry for Trump is when I watch CNN. Sometimes I actually feel his frustration with mainstream media. Not enough to vote for him but enough to understand that no one side holds the whole truth, and the media has a LOT of power to propagandize.
invisibleflash
4-16-20, 6:16pm
OP...it has nothing to do with what you write about. As usual, lefties don't have a clue why we vote for Trump.
Here is it in a comix for you that explains it nice and simple. Make sure you click on image to see properly.
nsfw
https://archive.org/search.php?query=Trump%20Pano%20Vers%202%20Dagger
Now, there is no argument that Trump is a lying con man. But the dems are always a worse alternative.
ApatheticNoMore
4-16-20, 6:23pm
OH BOY ......
And here I thought it might have to do with tax cuts or something (not that I agree)
I've been watching Fox recently, as it is the only place that is carrying the daily Whitehouse briefing in its entirety.
It is fascinating. The pre-briefing hosts the other day were quite keen on raising up anti-Chinese sentiment. I thought people had exaggerated the level of jingoism on the network.
One of them also was advocating prophylactically taking chloroquine once we "reopen for business".... So that was cool to see.
A good example of the red blue divide is the recall petition against Michigan governor Whitmer, who in response to the pandemic will not allow people to buy paint or garden seeds, travel to their second homes, or go boating by themselves, but does allow them to buy marijuana, alcohol and lottery tickets and get abortions. I don't need Fox News to get why people are upset.
A good example of the red blue divide is the recall petition against Michigan governor Whitmer, who in response to the pandemic will not allow people to buy paint or garden seeds, travel to their second homes, or go boating by themselves, but does allow them to buy marijuana, alcohol and lottery tickets and get abortions. I don't need Fox News to get why people are upset.
You can go boating but only with a canoe, kayak, or sail boat. Motorized boats of any kind are forbidden.
You can go boating but only with a canoe, kayak, or sail boat. Motorized boats of any kind are forbidden.
What does a boat’s mode of propulsion have to do with containing a virus?
I've been watching Fox recently, as it is the only place that is carrying the daily Whitehouse briefing in its entirety.
It is fascinating. The pre-briefing hosts the other day were quite keen on raising up anti-Chinese sentiment. I thought people had exaggerated the level of jingoism on the network.
One of them also was advocating prophylactically taking chloroquine once we "reopen for business".... So that was cool to see.
Don't know whether to howl in laughter or scream.
Will we ever again be a country whose medical prescriptions come from those educated to do so???????
ApatheticNoMore
4-16-20, 8:32pm
The thing about marijuana and alcohol is addicts will get their fixes regardless, so the question is do you want them to do so safely or not (and that takes on a whole other meaning in a pandemic). Here they do marijuana delivery, that started long before coronavirus. Maybe makes sense to restrict to delivery only. Michigans law seems to be about the strictest on the books, they do have a lot of cases, but yea lots of things not allowed everywhere.
What does a boat’s mode of propulsion have to do with containing a virus?
I have no clue. There's a recall petition for the MI gov that is getting a lot of signatures.
MI at one time had the highest number of boat registrations in the country. I heard FL might have more now, but still, MI has a ton of boats. People do NOT like being told to stay off the water.
Teacher Terry
4-16-20, 9:09pm
I think people can buy seeds online.
I think people can buy seeds online.
Everything I read has said online sources are sold out.
I think people can buy seeds online.I saw a video clip of her explaining that it was no big deal forbidding planting seeds or visiting your own property because it's snowing in Michigan.
Jp, do you give any traction to the theory that this Covid19 virus came out of a Wuhan lab? I first heard it weeks ago from a Fox watching friend, but now it is reappearing as ?mainstream? I’m not even sure it was floated by Fox at first. Since we don’t have cable at home and I never watch it in Herman I don’t watch Fox News.
I do ascribe to the idea that China knows exactly how many people died of Covid19 because they have societal monitoring systems to measure that. They also feel no obligation to share that info, secretive as they are. Was it deliberately released? I doubt it.
No, I don't think china intentionally released a deadly virus into the world. The scientists that have contemplated this seem to have concluded they didn't and I have no reason to not trust them and have not read any competiting theories, with scientific explanation, from other scientists. Admitedly I'm trusting articles that my science and medical knowledge based friends have shared, so perhaps there's another viewpoint out there that I just haven't been exposed to. If anyone has links to science based articles claiming otherwise regarding china I'd be happy to read them.
I find it amusing that trump originally was complimenting china's openness on the topic of the coronavirus, but is now slamming the WHO for uncritically accepting what china was saying at the same time he was complimenting them. I get that he is only concerned about today's news cycle and not with maintaining any consistency or building trust in what he says, but geez, the dude seems to think the american public is even more stupid and short memoried than susan collins thinks it is.
I saw a video clip of her explaining that it was no big deal forbidding planting seeds or visiting your own property because it's snowing in Michigan.
Like people don't start seeds indoors?
iris lilies
4-16-20, 10:53pm
No, I don't think china intentionally released a deadly virus into the world. The scientists that have contemplated this seem to have concluded they didn't and I have no reason to not trust them and have not read any competiting theories, with scientific explanation, from other scientists. Admitedly I'm trusting articles that my science and medical knowledge based friends have shared, so perhaps there's another viewpoint out there that I just haven't been exposed to. If anyone has links to science based articles claiming otherwise regarding china I'd be happy to read them.
I find it amusing that trump originally was complimenting china's openness on the topic of the coronavirus, but is now slamming the WHO for uncritically accepting what china was saying at the same time he was complimenting them. I get that he is only concerned about today's news cycle and not with maintaining any consistency or building trust in what he says, but geez, the dude seems to think the american public is even more stupid and short memoried than susan collins thinks it is.
It ‘s two separate ideas:
virus came from Wuhan lab
virus was deliberately released
The first one can be true without the second one being true
Teacher Terry
4-16-20, 11:51pm
Alan, that makes sense .
It ‘s two separate ideas:
virus came from Wuhan lab
virus was deliberately released
The first one can be true without the second one being true
From what I've read the virus didn't come from a lab. If it didn't come from a lab how could it have been deliberately released?
I suppose people predisposed to believe conspiracy theories might believe that china intentionally killed a not insignificant chunk of their population. After all, I have stupid friends that are deadset against getting vaccinated for covid-19 if a vaccination becomes available because they assume that it's a hoax from the government intended to harm them. But i give that about as much validity as the idea that obama was a muslim kenyan. Anyone who thinks there's any legitimacy to that crankpot theory fits into my original thoughts that started this thread.
Personally I don't have enough knowledge about the science of viruses. So I trust my friend B. He's working on a masters in science, focused on viruses. His studies are more focused on HIV, just because. But he can break down what the sciency articles are saying about covid-19 and explain why what they say is likely true. (I suppose he could also explain why someone was spouting BS but he hasn't actually done that.) None of the articles he's posted and written about have given any indication that any of this was intentional in any way shape or form. Knowing B, if he came across such an article I suspect he'd be screaming about it from the rooftops since his childhood was spent in a country where freedom of speech was not a thing.
I have no clue. There's a recall petition for the MI gov that is getting a lot of signatures.
MI at one time had the highest number of boat registrations in the country. I heard FL might have more now, but still, MI has a ton of boats. People do NOT like being told to stay off the water.
Give an authoritarian the power to fight an epidemic, and they will find a way to go after your Evinrude. There’s a moral in there somewhere.
iris lilies
4-17-20, 1:40am
From what I've read the virus didn't come from a lab. If it didn't come from a lab how could it have been deliberately released?
I suppose people predisposed to believe conspiracy theories might believe that china intentionally killed a not insignificant chunk of their population. After all, I have stupid friends that are deadset against getting vaccinated for covid-19 if a vaccination becomes available because they assume that it's a hoax from the government intended to harm them. But i give that about as much validity as the idea that obama was a muslim kenyan. Anyone who thinks there's any legitimacy to that crankpot theory fits into my original thoughts that started this thread.
Personally I don't have enough knowledge about the science of viruses. So I trust my friend B. He's working on a masters in science, focused on viruses. His studies are more focused on HIV, just because. But he can break down what the sciency articles are saying about covid-19 and explain why what they say is likely true. (I suppose he could also explain why someone was spouting BS but he hasn't actually done that.) None of the articles he's posted and written about have given any indication that any of this was intentional in any way shape or form. Knowing B, if he came across such an article I suspect he'd be screaming about it from the rooftops since his childhood was spent in a country where freedom of speech was not a thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52318539
Some U.S. scientists were concerned about virology lab practices in Wuhan, which seems to be China’s biggest virology research lab.
ApatheticNoMore
4-17-20, 2:05am
The seeds could be said to be essential if it's food seeds. Seeds are available online but it depends on where one orders (with Amazon few will ship until May, but websites from actual seed companies seem to be selling seeds right now). The banning seeds is excessive, but the claim that seeds aren't available online seems dubious at the least (unless buying seeds has some complexity I don't know about), and the protest itself completely ridiculous. I'm not sure why one would consider boats essential.
None of the laws are perfect, I could quibble about say CA saying construction is an essential business. Because by and large I can't see it. But they are a business with some lobbying power, ha you think we don't know who runs things. Anyway even though it would no doubt be safer if they shut construction down (because social distancing is not necessarily being followed on a construction site) it's no reason I'd ever object to the entirety of what is being attempted. That would be inability to see the forest for the trees in the extreme. If there are safer ways to open things up (and it's an experiment being run really) they seem to depend on things we can't seem to get right in this country at this point at all in order to work, such as adequate testing. Plus the U.S. may have a very high infection rate, making comparisons to Germany for instance, which is easing restrictions some, likely invalid. I mean we have a high known number of cases, but we don't EVEN know really.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52318539
Some U.S. scientists were concerned about virology lab practices in Wuhan, which seems to be China’s biggest virology research lab.
The concern expressed in that article is potentially reasonable. the facts and proof, not so existent. And the fact that the two examples of virus mishaps noted in the article were American make it especially absurd that trump and his cheerleaders are using xenophobia to deflect from their woefully and deadly inadequate response to this.
I've never heard anyone say the virus was intentionally released but just about every credible source in the world have reported that China did intentionally try to cover it up. Occam's Razor suggests that having a laboratory working with bat viruses within a few miles of the wet market where the bat virus is said to originate is a significant coincidence, one worthy of investigation. I'm not sure why anyone would think it's xenophobic to point that out.
Then fine. They should investigate it. But until they find some facts to support the theory the story is not a story, it’s a conspiracy theory.
Personally I find it interesting that we haven’t seen trump’s long form birth certificate. People are saying that maybe he was actually born in Moscow. That would certainly explain a lot.
There. I’ve now come up with an idea that has just as much proof as the ‘China intentionally did this’ theory.
Then fine. They should investigate it. But until they find some facts to support the theory the story is not a story, it’s a conspiracy theory.
Personally I find it interesting that we haven’t seen trump’s long form birth certificate. People are saying that maybe he was actually born in Moscow. That would certainly explain a lot.
There. I’ve now come up with an idea that has just as much proof as the ‘China intentionally did this’ theory.
:~):~)
There. I’ve now come up with an idea that has just as much proof as the ‘China intentionally did this’ theory.Oddly enough, I still haven't heard or read that theory other than here. I'll let you know when I do.
Oddly enough, I still haven't heard or read that theory other than here. I'll let you know when I do.
Funny that a theory with an equal amount of facts backing it up is so oft repeated on Fox "news".
ApatheticNoMore
4-17-20, 11:54am
Funny that a theory with an equal amount of facts backing it up is so oft repeated on Fox "news".
you need to get enough people repeating your theory though, facts schmacts, but come on The Big Lie you know, the lie needs to be repeated often enough.
Whether the result of an incompetent laboratory or the natural consequence of cave-to-table cuisine, there doesn’t seem any doubt about where the virus originated. Nor does there seem to be much doubt that the CCP cracked down on people warning about it in the early days; just as they are currently demanding public thanks from their citizens for their survival. I see that as similar to some of Trump’s response, except with secret police involvement.
The rest is just conjecture. Although one lesson learned might be the desirability of domestic sourcing of certain medical supplies and replenishing reserves after drawing them down during natural disasters.
you need to get enough people repeating your theory though, facts schmacts, but come on The Big Lie you know, the lie needs to be repeated often enough.
True. Just ask Hillary.
iris lilies
4-17-20, 2:35pm
Oddly enough, I still haven't heard or read that theory other than here. I'll let you know when I do.
Jp keeps repeating that a couple of us have said The virus was deliberately released even though clearly we did not.
While I am tempted to employ the rhetorical skills of our own frugal-one and tell jp to READ my comments and UNDERSTAND what is being said, in the interest of politeness, I wont. :D I know that JP is perfectly capable of reading and comprehending what he reads.
The scientific research so far has indicated that it is very likely to have originated in nature. To suggest otherwise without any shred of actual evidence is just conspiracy mongering. Personally I'll trust scientists over a bunch of blowhards who are just trying to deflect blame away from trump's piss poor handling of the situation.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext
iris lilies
4-17-20, 4:35pm
The scientific research so far has indicated that it is very likely to have originated in nature. To suggest otherwise without any shred of actual evidence is just conspiracy mongering. Personally I'll trust scientists over a bunch of blowhards who are just trying to deflect blame away from trump's piss poor handling of the situation.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext
I read the summary article and skimmed a couple of the supporting articles. There were 9 Patient Zeros, 8 of whom had close ties to the Wuhan animal market ( according to what the scientific researchets believed or were allowed to say.) It speculates animals at the market could be an intermediate host for this bat derived virus.
So, this does appear to be the source of Ground Zero infection.
There’s plenty of easily justifiable distrust of the Chinese government, and if one wants to throw around xenophobic dislike of the Chinese it’s just as easy to blame it on them eating unsanitary animals like savages, even easier, really, than blaming a lab accident.
I read the summary article and skimmed a couple of the supporting articles. There were 9 Patient Zeros, 8 of whom had close ties to the Wuhan animal market ( according to what the scientific researchets believed or were allowed to say.) It speculates animals at the market could be an intermediate host for this bat derived virus.
So, this does appear to be the source of Ground Zero infection.
There’s plenty of easily justifiable distrust of the Chinese government, and if one wants to throw around xenophobic dislike of the Chinese it’s just as easy to blame it on them eating unsanitary animals like savages, even easier, really, than blaming a lab accident.
I heard somewhere in the news that the wet markets had been closed down after the SARS epidemic, but they were brought back by Chinese consumer demand. Apparently, there is a common cultural belief that you can get certain benefits from eating specific animals.
happystuff
4-17-20, 5:18pm
Apparently, there is a common cultural belief that you can get certain benefits from eating specific animals.
Makes me think of chicken soup. Seems every culture has something.
Personally I'll trust scientists over a bunch of blowhards who are just trying to deflect blame away from trump's piss poor handling of the situation.
I think those are two different issues. You can blame Trump for whatever you don't like about the way the pandemic is being handled in this country if you'd like but I think your original complaint was something else. I believe it was some sort of odd justification for why you hate Trump supporters, Republicans and Fox News based upon your SO's 20 minute foray into enemy media territory and the absurd claim that someone was saying China deliberately released the virus in order to kill millions of people. As I've previously mentioned I've been unable to find anyone making that claim so I'm wondering if this entire thread isn't just a way of giving voice to that previously made justification.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/21/fact-check-did-coronavirus-originate-chinese-laboratory/2881150001/
I wonder how many of these stories spread because if you Google something The Washington Times article will be free but you have to pay to read articles from mainstream papers like The Washington Post, New York Times or Boston Globe.
iris lilies
4-18-20, 9:21am
I wonder how many of these stories spread because if you Google something The Washington Times article will be free but you have to pay to read articles from mainstream papers like The Washington Post, New York Times or Boston Globe.
That is a very good point.
iris lilies
4-18-20, 9:38am
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/21/fact-check-did-coronavirus-originate-chinese-laboratory/2881150001/
I never thought carefully about what a virus from a lab really means, but I didn’t think it was necessarily man made.I don’t see how it is beyond the realm of possible that nature-made viruses reside in a Wuhan lab of virology.
But as I said earlier, 8 patient 0’s who are associated with the animal market is compelling evidence, assuming their background is accurate. Investigation is not possible in China, but I suppose we can be grateful they aren’t North Korea.
Moscow is pointing the finger at us: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/14/russia-blame-america-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-disinformation/
Given their respective histories, I find it difficult to believe much of anything coming out of Russia or China.
I never thought carefully about what a virus from a lab really means, but I didn’t think it was necessarily man made.I don’t see how it is beyond the realm of possible that nature-made viruses reside in a Wuhan lab of virology.
But as I said earlier, 8 patient 0’s who are associated with the animal market is compelling evidence, assuming their background is accurate. Investigation is not possible in China, but I suppose we can be grateful they aren’t North Korea.
If the virus started in nature and then was taken to a lab for study it wasn’t entirely removed from nature. It was still out there spreading around. Is it possible that they had brought it to the lab then had an accident and people in the public contracted it as a result? Sure. But if it was already infecting people all that would do is move the current situation a few months earlier since the virus was already out there infecting people.
Hand wringing about this is just a foolish waste of time and serves no purpose other then to try and deflect from questions that actually matter.
iris lilies
6-18-21, 7:13pm
If the virus started in nature and then was taken to a lab for study it wasn’t entirely removed from nature. It was still out there spreading around. Is it possible that they had brought it to the lab then had an accident and people in the public contracted it as a result? Sure. But if it was already infecting people all that would do is move the current situation a few months earlier since the virus was already out there infecting people.
Hand wringing about this is just a foolish waste of time and serves no purpose other then to try and deflect from questions that actually matter.
Funny, I think the origin of how this virus that brought the world to its knees is a question that matters.
As the Wuhan lab hypothesis gets more traction, we learn heads are rolling in media sources for unobjective reporting,
of The Science (imagine that!) our tax dollars were revealed to have funded the lab that may have brought us the virus, the good Dr. Fauci plays politics at a very high level …etc etc.
Where’s the conspiracy again?
you can’t make this stuff up, it is insane.
Paraphrasing Jon Stewart “we can thank The Science for relieving much of the suffering caused by the Covid virus. It’s the least it can do because The Science likely caused it all.”
ApatheticNoMore
6-18-21, 7:40pm
It's a question that matters. There is the question of whether gain of function research should even be done and at the very least it should have very tight controls. So of course an error if it actually happened is cause for examination.
The question is not if the government should fund scientific research. Of course it should. Who else even would fund much of it? But specifically whether it should fund or even allow (although that seems hard to enforce) gain of function research.
But no we do not know that science caused it all.
And none of it makes Trump's handling of the coronavirus any less terrible than it was, that exists entirely independently of the source of the virus, because once it was here the ultimate cause literally doesn't matter, it's debating angels on the head of a pin, when only dealing with it does, and it was handled abysmally.
iris lilies
6-18-21, 7:53pm
It's a question that matters. There is the question of whether gain of function research should even be done and at the very least it should have very tight controls. So of course an error if it actually happened is cause for examination.
The question is not if the government should fund scientific research. Of course it should. Who else even would fund much of it? But specifically whether it should fund or even allow (although that seems hard to enforce) gain of function research.
But no we do not know that science caused it all.
And none of it makes Trump's handling of the coronavirus any less terrible than it was, that exists entirely independently of the source of the virus, because once it was here the ultimate cause literally doesn't matter, it's debating angels on the head of a pin, when only dealing with it does, and it was handled abysmally.
yes, two separate thoughts: 1) The China virus came from a Wuhan lab. 2) Trump is an idiot.
Gosh I think identifying the cause of Covid release into the human population could perhaps help to prevent another such outbreak, but what do I know, just an untrained-in-The-Science rube from flyover country.
Teacher Terry
6-18-21, 10:53pm
I totally agree with you IL. We need to be concerned about preventing this from happening again.
I also think IL is right. With all the backpedaling, arm twisting, race-baiting, self-censorship and equivocation we’ve seen here, using “the science” as a political bludgeon makes very little sense. We have gone from taboo conspiracy theory to strong circumstantial evidence in a handful of news cycles.
Hasn't "escape from a Wuhan lab" always been a strong possibility? It's the "stealth bio weapon" conspiracy theory that wasn't believable. (Along with hair on fire fantasies featuring Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates.) Science always mutates and evolves. But by all means weave that into a political screed, as is your wont.
iris lilies
6-19-21, 5:13pm
Hasn't "escape from a Wuhan lab" always been a strong possibility? It's the "stealth bio weapon" conspiracy theory that wasn't believable. (Along with hair on fire fantasies featuring Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates.) Science always mutates and evolves. But by all means weave that into a political screed, as is your wont.
Read through this thread. “Conspiracy mongering” and “xenephobic” accusations are thrown about if one talks about the virus coming from a lab.
It couldn’t get much exposure, this theory, or examination either because it was so incredibly tied to Donald Trump in the minds of some people. No real Science was able to advance any kind of investigation into it because Trump. All Trump all the time.Trump Trump Trump.
Read through this thread. “Conspiracy mongering” and “xenephobic” accusations are thrown about if one talks about the virus coming from a lab.
It couldn’t get much exposure, this theory, or examination either because it was so incredibly tied to Donald Trump in the minds of some people. No real Science was able to advance any kind of investigation into it because Trump. All Trump all the time.Trump Trump Trump.
We could have done without "China virus" and "kung flu," certainly. Little old Asian ladies are still paying the price for those labels.
We could have done without "China virus" and "kung flu," certainly. Little old Asian ladies are still paying the price for those labels.
In my lifetime we've had the Asian Flu pandemic and the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, but those were simpler times I suppose.
happystuff
6-19-21, 7:14pm
In my lifetime we've had the Asian Flu pandemic and the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, but those were simpler times I suppose.
Not simpler times for the Asians and those from Hong Kong who put up with the "names", just simpler for those that applied the terms and didn't have anyone openly objecting to the racism attached to them at the time.
In my lifetime we've had the Asian Flu pandemic and the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, but those were simpler times I suppose.
Not concurrent with a president constantly dog-whistling to a base ready to attack at the slightest provocation*. Or do you think the huge surge in anti-Asian assaults is just another coincidence? And their victims are often elderly women; easy targets for the brave patriots. What passes for logic in their tiny brain pans absolutely escapes me.
*I don't mean provocation from their victims--that's never been a factor.
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