Nova Scotia mass shooting 4/19/2020

[dado potato]

We lament.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czxR9dgSHjc

[razz]

It is really tragic!

[Tybee]

What a terrible thing, so sorry.

[happystuff]

This is so sad. I hate to say it, but I think it is only a matter of time before this happens again in the U.S. - especially with the reported increase in guns sales recently.

I really pray that I am wrong!

[gimmethesimplelife]

Horrible to see this happening in Canada. I hope this is a one off and that Canada does not become desensitized to such insane tragedy. Rob

[dado potato]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced a total ban on 1,500 models and variants of "military-grade assault weapons" in Canada, effective immediately. Trudeau remarked, Canadians deserve more than thoughts and prayers. Gun dealers will be able to return these weapons from their inventories to the manufacturers. Gun owners will have 2 years in which to dispose of all such weapons. Parliament will legislate "fair compensation" for gun owners.

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said, These guns make it easier to commit mass murder. The culture around their fetishization makes our country inherently more dangerous for the people most vulnerable, and that is women and girls.

[Alan]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced a total ban on 1,500 models and variants of "military-grade assault weapons" in Canada, effective immediately.
Has the Prime Minister provided a definition of "military-grade assault weapons"?

[LDAHL]

Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said, These guns make it easier to commit mass murder. The culture around their fetishization makes our country inherently more dangerous for the people most vulnerable, and that is women and girls.

How, exactly, are women and girls more vulnerable to bullets than the male of the species?

[razz]

How, exactly, are women and girls more vulnerable to bullets than the male of the species?

Femicide is statistically significant. To say that bullets kill men equally well is a red herring. However, if that argument makes you feel better about it, who am I to question it?

[Teacher Terry]

Glad Canada is taking positive action.

[dado potato]

Has the Prime Minister provided a definition of "military-grade assault weapons"?

The regulations published in the Canada Gazette dated May 1, 2020, details the 1,500 firearms. Examples:
SG-550
SG-551
M16
AR-10
AR-15
M4
Ruger Mini 14
US Rifle M14
Vz58
Robinson Armament XCR
CZScorpion EVO 3

[Alan]

The regulations published in the Canada Gazette dated May 1, 2020, details the 1,500 firearms. Examples:
SG-550
SG-551
M16
AR-10
AR-15
M4
Ruger Mini 14
US Rifle M14
Vz58
Robinson Armament XCR
CZScorpion EVO 3
I was looking for a little more specific definition for "military grade assault weapon", such as type/size of ammunition, velocity, range, foot pounds of energy expended, etc., but I guess we'll just go by whatever looks scary.

[razz]

I was looking for a little more specific definition for "military grade assault weapon", such as type/size of ammunition, velocity, range, foot pounds of energy expended, etc., but I guess we'll just go by whatever looks scary.

I am puzzled by the intent of your question. I was a gun owner years ago when DH and I hunted deer for winter meat. It seems to me that all those guns will kill a human being or other living creature regardless of velocity, range, foot pounds of energy etc. But I guess we'll just go by when gangs not concerned by such incidentals buy them for controlling other gang members at close quarters or driveby shootings that often involve innocent bystanders in Canada. The NS situation is particularly unique for shootings here.
Perhaps you could speak for the US situation where such incidentals may be especially relevant when buying arms for shooting other humans in your society. (Good heavens, that is a really snarky comment but I think it needs to be said).

[Alan]

I am puzzled by the intent of your question.Curiosity.

I'm consistently puzzled when people speak of "assault weapons" and occasionally throwing in "military grade" as some sort of qualifier. They seem to mean something to some folks but I'm just not sure what.



Perhaps you could speak for the US situation where such incidentals may be especially relevant when buying arms for shooting other humans in your society.


I can't. I own several weapons but I didn't buy them with the intention of shooting other humans, perhaps the typical level of my society's pre-meditation is less than you imagine?

[dado potato]

I believe Prime Minister Trudeau used rather general language to describe the ban, trusting that his words would have meaning to his English-speaking listeners in Canada. Anyone who would like to know whether a specific firearm is covered by the new ban could refer to the highly specific language of the Canada Gazette.

As I understand it, there is no consideration of intent in the ban. So an argument that the firearm was intended strictly for self-defense in Canada probably would not affect the application of the ban.

[razz]

I can't. I own several weapons but I didn't buy them with the intention of shooting other humans, perhaps the typical level of my society's pre-meditation is less than you imagine?

I don't imagine anything about your society's premeditation. Perhaps, my imagination is considerably less than you believe. I have no weapons beyond a kitchen knife, a pair of scissors and so cannot imagine why anyone would buy or see the need to buy any military type weapons or similar items. DH loved the machinery and craftmanship of his guns and maintained them, but had gunlocks on at all times. I bought and insisted that the storage cabinet had to be a certain thickness and built into the wall. The ammo was kept completely separate. To me that was just simple common sense and met the letter and intent of any legislation.

According to some reading that I have done on gang members buying guns, it is one way of regaining some sense of personal power when feeling vulnerable to another's use of weapons and seeing no hope in an alternative way of living. Not sure how true that may be though or how to reduce the perceived vulnerability.

[Alan]

I don't imagine anything about your society's premeditation.
Then perhaps I mis-interpreted your question. My apologies.



DH loved the machinery and craftmanship of his guns and maintained them, but had gunlocks on at all times. I bought and insisted that the storage cabinet had to be a certain thickness and built into the wall. The ammo was kept completely separate. To me that was just simple common sense and met the letter and intent of any legislation. I think that's why it's important to understand how any government defines those weapons they criminalize. Is it possible that if you currently possessed them you'd be in violation of the law, regardless of how well you protected them?

[Tybee]

I do not follow Canadian gun law, or really American gun law, either. I have lived with hunters all my life, and I have never met someone who acquired guns for killing other human beings, not where I have lived.

[razz]

Then perhaps I mis-interpreted your question. My apologies.

I think that's why it's important to understand how any government defines those weapons they criminalize. Is it possible that if you currently possessed them you'd be in violation of the law, regardless of how well you protected them?[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]

Now you are answering why you asked the question that I queried. Thank you.

[dmc]

I looked at my scary rifle, it’s a smith and Wesson MP-15, I was worried it was a AR-15. Maybe I should paint it pink. Maybe it would make more sense to outlaw gangs.

Ive got some old Winchester’s that I inherited, I remember watching the rifleman when I was a kid. Lucas was able to fire the old lever action pretty rapidly. And rarely ran out of ammo.

[Alan]

I looked at my scary rifle, it’s a smith and Wesson MP-15, I was worried it was a AR-15. Maybe I should paint it pink. Maybe it would make more sense to outlaw gangs.

Ive got some old Winchester’s that I inherited, I remember watching the rifleman when I was a kid. Lucas was able to fire the old lever action pretty rapidly. And rarely ran out of ammo.See, that's just it. You could use a rock or a log or fork as an assault weapon, all this talk of "assault weapons" is foolish if those who want to take yours away refuse to define them. What's the difference between a military grade rock and your standard garden pebble?

[LDAHL]

Femicide is statistically significant. To say that bullets kill men equally well is a red herring. However, if that argument makes you feel better about it, who am I to question it?

Saying that female gun murders are statistically significant is not the same thing as saying that females are uniquely vulnerable or disproportionately affected. That simply amounts to pandering to a particular group.

[razz]

See, that's just it. You could use a rock or a log or fork as an assault weapon, all this talk of "assault weapons" is foolish if those who want to take yours away refuse to define them. What's the difference between a military grade rock and your standard garden pebble?

You are absolutely correct that one could use a fork or log or rock. So why don't gun shooters use rocks or pebbles instead? Just think of the reduced news reporting on so many tragic stories of weapons accidentally discharged, group shootings, or horrible plans such as were carried out in NS.

I see that Alan and dmc will now be campaigning to remove all ammo and rifles and other guns from use and insisting on the use of rocks and pebbles instead because they are equal to guns. Way to go, guys!

[Alan]

You are absolutely correct that one could use a fork or log or rock. So why don't gun shooters use rocks or pebbles instead? Just think of the reduced news reporting on so many tragic stories of weapons accidentally discharged, group shootings, or horrible plans such as were carried out in NS.

I see that Alan and dmc will now be campaigning to remove all ammo and rifles and other guns from use and insisting on the use of rocks and pebbles instead because they are equal to guns. Way to go, guys!You miss my point. What's the difference between your husbands weapons and an "assault weapon"? Should your husbands weapons have been declared illegal based upon their ability to be mis-used and he a criminal if he didn't voluntarily turn them in? Have we reached the point where we can't even ask the question?

[razz]

We went through all of this when Canada had a gun registry and we had to licence each of our guns renewing the licence every 5 years. Eventually the whole gun registry was abandoned for a number of reasons so I am being very tongue -in-cheek about the whole gun situation.

CBC did an article yesterday and I was amazed to find out how many of these guns there are in Canada legally. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-reaction-gun-control-measures-1.5553391

"Among the banned weapons are the M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles that were used in mass shootings at Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando, Fla. There are an estimated 83,572 of them in Canada.

Also on the banned list is the Ruger Mini-14, a common gun in Canada. It was used in the École Polytechnique shooting. There are an estimated 16,859 of them in Canada.

The M14 rifle, used in the 2014 Moncton, N.B., murder of three RCMP officers and wounding of two others, is also expected to be banned. There are an estimated 5,229 of those in Canada."
I know that we had a very old and a newer .22, a 306, a shotgun and an old collector's item with the mechanism missing. That was all we needed or wanted. I used the 22 a couple of times for an injured or rabid animal and DH hunted with the 306 and tried duck hunting with the shotgun. It was no hardship to dispose of them.