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gimmethesimplelife
5-6-20, 1:50pm
Open it up all at once, open it up in phases, or keep it locked down longer? Rob
iris lilies
5-6-20, 1:57pm
Open it up all at once, open it up in phases, or keep it locked down longer? Rob
Too simplistic. One size does not fit all, and the three methods you describe above could all apply at the same time to a region.
Yes, it's difficult to state one way or the other. For instance, here in WA, we have regions/areas that are very rural and virtually untouched by the virus, then we have Seattle. Some of those areas may open earlier, in the phases the guv has drawn up. I assume some states are the same. At any rate, they should not open up (IMO) until the curve is flattened for the area. And maybe even then give it a few weeks.
Teacher Terry
5-6-20, 2:06pm
Open up in phases as warranted. Chicago is hit so hard that other places should open before they do.
Too simplistic. One size does not fit all, and the three methods you describe above could all apply at the same time to a region.
+1
ApatheticNoMore
5-6-20, 2:12pm
test, trace, isolate, see cases going down (a bit complex as testing is unreliable) and also have adequate PPE, medical equipment to handle a surge. Only then open up.
Sonora Shepherd
5-6-20, 4:28pm
Our governor in Oregon has extended the lockdown until July 6. We don't mind and have decided that this is our life for a long time. But this is very difficult for workers and businesses. Agree with ApatheticNoMore.
I will be staying close to home for quite some time no matter what the decision is. There is a part of me that would love for it to open so those that are chomping at the bit can get back at it and see that "it" is no longer there. The people who take their health seriously will continue to do so. The people who are more driven by financial considerations will be able to see what the new world is going to look like very quickly. I am tired of the ugly debates. I think a lot of business owners are going to be surprised.
Issue advisories, leave decisions at the municipal or county level. In New England counties don't do anything except courts, jails and deeds so it should be the cities and towns who decide.
I see all sides of this. One size does not fit all. Rural northwest is not the same as NYC. Yet it is just as important for a town of 60 people to be super careful just like NYC or Rome.
As an operating room RN with a great deal of background in infection control...........this is what I see. And yes it is generalization, but as little as I am out/about, I see it all!
1. People don't wear a mask properly.
2. People don't use gloves properly.
3. People don't take off a mask properly.
4. People don't understand "do not touch".
5. People don't understand transfer of contaminate.
We need a ton of education AND people need to care enough to learn. I've done a lot of coaching including my husband. I hear "I hadn't thought of that" when I observe something he's done that is not as safe as it could be.
The public needs to take this very seriously in order to protect self/family. Right now, opening up is going to seriously spike infections. I have no doubt.
And oh would I love to be wrong!!!!
I plan on the remainder of this year being spent at home/cabin. I will get on a plane only for an urgent/emergent family reason. I don't have parents or children to protect and hubster and I agree that family comes first.
I have a friend here who has reopened her business to the public (it's been online/phone/curbside/ship until now). She has about 8000sf. Door is locked. 12 customers max. Must wear mask. No gloves allowed. Must use hand sanitizer after entry-observed by staff letting them in. I think it's a sound plan and I gave her my support in that plan.
I would go in her shop. Better control than the grocery store for sure!
I do really miss eating out. We may patio dine on a no breeze day when it becomes available. I'm still thinking about this-the risk comes from handling in the kitchen and we never see that anyway right?
I'm interested in other perspectives so I hope this thread continues.
I saw on the news today more confirmation that sunlight, heat and humidity kill the virus. It would be great if all outdoor summer activities could be permitted without the stifling masks, then change gears when the colder weather comes back. There is a reason you don't see big outbreaks in tropical countries and it's not because people there take malaria drugs. That has now been disproven.
dado potato
5-6-20, 7:15pm
I don't influence the governor nor various businesses and institutions in my community. I certainly wish them well, and hope for neighborly consensus.
However, I do have agency in regard to my own home, family, and social groups. My wife and I are 70 years old, so we will take all reasonable precautions. We will not be entertaining, but if friends drive up to drop in on us, we have Adirondack chairs in our front yard. Visitors may stay in their cars on our driveway, and I can move the chairs to set in a 6-9 foot radius from their car. We are staying at home... using Facetime and Zoom on occasion, and talking to lots of people on the phone.
Every 10 days or so, I go to the store wearing Bando mask and gloves. In and out, pay with a credit card.
In our county just one person tested positive. He recovered. We are seeing more traffic, good people from Illinois and Down-State, with boats on trailers. I figure that if they can put up with us locals, surely we can make them feel welcome here. It's a free country. I can imagine that if they had homes in Chicagoland, or M'waukee, and they owned a cottage in the Northern Highlands of WI, an area where counties have at most 4 cases, they would be like the swallows coming back to Capistrano.
I maintain a spreadsheet of the numbers that tested positive in WI each day since 3/16/20, when there were 47 cases in the state. As of today's report, 8,901 persons had tested positive. In other words, COVID-19 is spreading. More people are getting sick.
I keep track of the new cases reported each day, and I compute a 14-day moving average of the daily new cases. If and when I see a decline in the 14-day moving average number of new cases per day over an interval of 30 days, in WI, I would conclude the threat of contagion has receded in our state. Then I would suggest to DW that we could mingle with people again.
We are not out of the woods yet. (In fact, we've got woods, trilliums, and spring peepers on all sides!)
I saw on the news today more confirmation that sunlight, heat and humidity kill the virus. It would be great if all outdoor summer activities could be permitted without the stifling masks, then change gears when the colder weather comes back. There is a reason you don't see big outbreaks in tropical countries and it's not because people there take malaria drugs. That has now been disproven.
My outdoor activity includes a mask AND my own air source! :D
My daughter is considering downsizing her September wedding to a very small affair and then waiting until next year for the reception. To be honest, if she goes that route, I'm wondering if the delayed reception will ever happen.
We have still not seen the VT grandkids etc. Still haven't been to a supermarket since mid-March.
We had two casual interactions with a couple of friends around the fire pit--the distance across the fire pit is about 6 ft or so. No masks.
I truly don't know where I stand. I'm still just taking it all day by day.
dado potato
5-6-20, 7:58pm
@ catherine
I think these times call for elopement.
Teacher Terry
5-6-20, 8:03pm
Oregon has a state emergency in effect until July 6 but not a lockdown. They are 2 different things.
Yes Teacher Terry, we are encouraged to shelter in place but are free to move around the cabin. We went out to Costco today (which I had heard was very organized) and found the roads very busy. Costco was not organized. Nobody was counting how many went in. They were chasing people down who didn't have masks and escorting them out but why not grab them at the door when they are showing their card to get in?? No going one direction, no attempt to stay 6ft away even though there were employees waving signs to remind you. It was just weird...………..
I am happy that medical offices are slowly opening so DH can get in for his scans. I don't see going to the dentist unless something falls out of my mouth. My eye Dr retired during the shut down so I'm switching to DH's dr and we both go in at the end of May. That's it, have no other plans on going out other than provisions.
iris lilies
5-6-20, 9:14pm
We all need to stay away from Rosie the queen of corona.
Julio down by the schoolyard is an OK fellow.
Ha ha Ha ha ha it’s a joke.
This is what I would like to see reopening look like. Based on studying the facts and making decisions accordingly. A kneejerk quick decision is not the right decision. Acceptance of lots of dead people is not the right decision. So glad that I live here and not in one of the states where research is being squashed China-style.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/04/417306/bay-area-covid-19-testing-initiative-assess-impact-guide-safe-reopening?utm_source=ucsf_fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=2020_covid19research_stanfordbiohub
ApatheticNoMore
5-6-20, 11:53pm
As for what one is pretending is sustainable, asking vulnerable people, say the elderly to isolate for a year or two (while everyone else was made to work and probably still too terrified to go to a restaurant or maybe much of anywhere else) is not actually sustainable in any real sense either, even if the elderly, the vulnerable etc. do it, it's not psychologically sustainable. Or do we care about that or only what can be measured in GDP? The only real sustainable path may be to try to quash the virus (it's done so far some places, the final verdict hasn't been written on anywhere is the real truth, but so far).
The US is not nearly as resilient as New Zealand or Australia. Reading what some states are doing it’s clear that we are just going to let the death roll. Some parts of the country may do better but overall history is not going to look favorably on us as a whole.
Jo I'm glad to read about the antibody study in your link. I asked my city's public health department about this and got no response. My governor pooh poohs it, but some communities in my state are doing it and I think it shows promise.
ToomuchStuff
5-7-20, 9:54am
My outdoor activity includes a mask AND my own air source! :D
You forgot excessive humidity, where BAE does similar with excessive heat and brings his humidity.
A reasoned approach is exactly what isn't happening in this country, because Trump doesn't want bad "numbers." Every day, new examples of the utter incompetence, dishonesty, and cruelty of this regime emerge. The feds stealing shipments of PPE--what the hell?
"The second, focused on Bay Area health care workers, will examine whether COVID-19 antibodies protect individuals against reinfection, and if so, for how long. This information could be critical to protecting frontline health care workers in California and around the globe."
That's another issue--I'm glad competent people are looking at this aspect of COVID19. We know so little about how it works.
I agree with many others that there are too many variables to take some black-and-white “stand”. You might as well demand the single optimal strategy for bridge or anti submarine warfare.
On the one hand, it is a positive good to keep the number of deaths to a minimum. On the other, we are sustained by an economy, not government edicts.
When I look at the deaths per million of population by country at Statista.com, the US looks to be doing better than France, the UK, the Netherlands, Italy or Spain. But that doesn’t seem to me to indicate a superior approach. But our current war of insult and anecdote seems even less so.
ApatheticNoMore
5-7-20, 11:53am
The feds stealing shipments of PPE--what the hell?
Maryland which I believe has a Republican governor at that, is now guarding test kits with the state's national guard and state police.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-guard-protecting-marylands-coronavirus-tests-undisclosed-location-so-federal-government-1501309
I suspect the U.S. will have the most deaths per capita (well of course there are also countries whose figures will not be remotely real, but nontheless) when all is said and done. But give it time. We are trying for 3000 a day so it's bound to add up.
Maryland which I believe has a Republican governor at that, is now guarding test kits with the state's national guard and state police.
https://www.newsweek.com/national-guard-protecting-marylands-coronavirus-tests-undisclosed-location-so-federal-government-1501309
I suspect the U.S. will have the most deaths per capita (well of course there are also countries whose figures will not be remotely real, but nontheless) when all is said and done. But give it time. We are trying for 3000 a day so it's bound to add up.
And they had to go through clandestine gyrations to get those. Really, this is unbelievable--that a federal government, during a nationwide emergency, would actively work against individual states for political reasons.
I’ve got two plumbers working on my house now, in a few weeks after that I’ll have new tile laid, then new cabinets. I make a trip to Home Depot about every other day. I wear a mask when out and clean my hands regularly. And I try and keep my distance.
We initially stayed home the first 2 or 3 weeks, but the hospitals have not been overrun, and they have plenty of equipment if needed. We do not want to get sick of coarse, but we are not hiding under the bed either.
This is what I would like to see reopening look like. Based on studying the facts and making decisions accordingly. A kneejerk quick decision is not the right decision. Acceptance of lots of dead people is not the right decision. So glad that I live here and not in one of the states where research is being squashed China-style.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/04/417306/bay-area-covid-19-testing-initiative-assess-impact-guide-safe-reopening?utm_source=ucsf_fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=2020_covid19research_stanfordbiohub
happy I live here too.
gimmethesimplelife
5-7-20, 7:39pm
This pandemic has been eye opening for yours truly. On the media we are hearing that perhaps it's not wise to be too dependent on any one foreign country - as in the case of China in regards to pharmaceuticals. For me it would be Mexico. It's been part of my identity for years that Mexico is always there and is less expensive, much less expensive, in key areas where America is too expensive.
Now.....who knows? I understand that Mexico IS letting Americans in at Algodones - but for how much longer? If cases in Mexico get much worse, will we have to quarantine upon return? Even for someone like me it's a whole new world. Rob
Teacher Terry
5-7-20, 8:42pm
Nevada is starting phase one Saturday.
Nevada is starting phase one Saturday. Idaho went phase 1 a week ago without meeting the requirement of 14d consecutive dropping new cases.
This is current as of May 6.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-coronavirus-trnd/
Teacher Terry
5-8-20, 1:25pm
Some parts of our state met the requirements but our county didn’t. I am guessing it’s too soon for a rise in cases since reopening in Idaho after reading the article.
From what I can find, not a single state has met the 14d requirement......but hell, who needs to right?
Even San Francisco, which is doing remarkably well, is not close to achieving a 14 day decline. The last week of positive tests were 109, 63, 66, 37, 76, 68, 36. If we can keep the numbers trending down from 36 for the next 10 days I will be comfortable with gradually reopening stuff, assuming of course that the surrounding counties do similarly.
On the plus side, SF is also releasing numbers by zip code and my zip code has been at 29 positives (out of 47,700 residents) for 5 days now. The zip codes surrounding mine have equally had zero new cases for several days.
ApatheticNoMore
5-8-20, 9:23pm
down south here :), numbers are stable but not declining at all, but they are opening up faster than the San Francisco area, sure there are other places being much more reckless, but there is no decline. No data available by zip code.
Our next door neighbors are an ICU nurse and a guy that works for the SF dept of health. I metaphorically bumped into him in the garage the other day (he was actually coming out of the trash room and I was 50 feet away, coming into the garage from the door to the hallway and we both stayed where we were). Had a nice conversation about what the Dept of Health is doing. I had already been confident that our local government was doing the best they could, but after speaking with him for 10-15 minutes I'm more confident than ever. Smart people who know what they are doing are on it. We won't likely be seeing the surge of cases/deaths that so many other parts of the country are almost inevitably going to see.
West Coast governors are being appropriately cautious.
West Coast governors are being appropriately cautious. And they've created an alliance to make movement together since folks can easily cross borders. Idaho Governor said he didn't need the alliance:help: So, when a man from Seattle landed his private plane in a small rural community with a very small Critical Access Hospital? The folks who run the airport got to send him home immediately. He was pissed off that he couldn't be at his 2nd home. Well duh dude, you flew here from the first hotspot in the country. Money doesn't buy everything! So proud of that small community for protecting it's residents!!!
Some beachfront communities in my state are saying they won't do seasonal water supply turn ons. If I paid real estate taxes on a second home and couldn't use it I'd be irate. People sitting in their cabin are not hurting anyone.
Some beachfront communities in my state are saying they won't do seasonal water supply turn ons. If I paid real estate taxes on a second home and couldn't use it I'd be irate. People sitting in their cabin are not hurting anyone.
Our experience in my community is that people come to the cabin, and then don't sit there.
They go into the village and shop at the market. (And strip it of supplies that they forgot to bring with them.) They wander the streets of the village looking confused that the other stores aren't open. They call 911 when they get stung by a bee, and we have to respond. They don't wear masks, or exercise other social distancing techniques reliably.
Basically, they behave like they are in vacation in Disneyland.
I used to be a libertarian, but this event has reinforced my experience that basically enough people don't behave well that there will be problems.
Our experience in my community is that people come to the cabin, and then don't sit there.
They go into the village and shop at the market. (And strip it of supplies that they forgot to bring with them.) They wander the streets of the village looking confused that the other stores aren't open. They call 911 when they get stung by a bee, and we have to respond. They don't wear masks, or exercise other social distancing techniques reliably.
Basically, they behave like they are in vacation in Disneyland.
I used to be a libertarian, but this event has reinforced my experience that basically enough people don't behave well that there will be problems.
So true. When we go to our cabin, we hunker down and don't go into the community. I couldn't live with myself if infection was my fault (although we hunker down here as well). Hub was there for 17 days (he is work-at-home). When he ran out of food, I packed up a bunch, drove it up there, stayed 4d and came back home so he could continue his stay for another week without running out of food. We haven't gone back for 3 weeks now. I'm kinda due for a mountain breath!
Going to a 2nd home is usually a playground and some people think they are entitled-without a thought to others or the stress on a critical access healthcare/EMS system!
Seems like many people have two homes or a home and a cabin and go from one to the other, for various reasons. It seems like some people wanted to go to the rural location during the pandemic to get away from the city density. My friend says they are not turning on the seasonal water at her cabin, either. She is in NJ and the cabin is in upstate NY.
Perhaps it is different elsewhere but here there is a standard for water that has to be met by public health treatment standards,, staffing and regular supervision, all of which cost a lot of money to maintain. We don't start up the systems until there is a clear direction and ongoing approval from public health and sufficient demand in that order. It is not just a matter of turning on a garden hose.
Perhaps it is different elsewhere but here there is a standard for water that has to be met by public health treatment standards,, staffing and regular supervision, all of which cost a lot of money to maintain. We don't start up the systems until there is a clear direction and ongoing approval from public health and sufficient demand in that order. It is not just a matter of turning on a garden hose.
In my friend's case, it had nothing to do with standards and everything to do with keeping people from going there from the NYC area. If they had no running water, they could not come.
Getting ready to go out on a sunset cruise. There will be 5 of us, my friend is picking us up at our dock. Traffic was busy today and some things are opening up.
so far no one we know has gotten sick. My father is having trouble as the assisted living home he is in won’t let him leave his room.
My parents are in same boat. Are you in the same town, or far away like we are?
Perhaps it is different elsewhere but here there is a standard for water that has to be met by public health treatment standards,, staffing and regular supervision, all of which cost a lot of money to maintain. We don't start up the systems until there is a clear direction and ongoing approval from public health and sufficient demand in that order. It is not just a matter of turning on a garden hose.
We have a monthly minimum for any home that is on the city water/sewer system. Doesn't matter if we use an ounce or not. The city has to pay the work team as well as the physical plant costs. Not their problem if we are present or not. We pay for the privilege.
Thankfully our mom is in independent living. They can try to keep them in but since they dont provide meals or services, it is more apartment like. She agreed she wanted to get out so we brought her home for Mother's Day. Really helped her since Comcast, the worst company, has not been able to provide her repair to her cable box for over a week. She is watching TV and we are going to have a good meal. Then we will all wash our hands and take her home.
iris lilies
5-10-20, 9:17am
Hermann, MO is not entirely a tourist town, but it has a strong element of it. Tourism is the main industry with agriculture second.
Anyway, their rates for all city services are high (according to some folks) because there are so many guest houses and owner-weekend houses there that use normal services 3-4 out of 7 days. Yesterday our heat was chugging along in our Hermann house, high than it needs to be, but every time that happens I think “well you are feeding the Hermann utility system, it is ok.” Yeah, not very eco friendly I know!
You still need heat in Missouri this late in the year?
catherine
5-10-20, 11:16am
You still need heat in Missouri this late in the year?
She could have had snow, like we did yesterday! I've got wood AND electric heat going.
iris lilies
5-10-20, 11:48am
She could have had snow, like we did yesterday! I've got wood AND electric heat going.
We are having unseasonably cool weather which is fine with me. Not cold enough to freeze iris flowers, cool enough to preserve them and slow down bloom. The iris season will be prolonged this year, a gift in this COVID19 experience!
iris lilies
5-10-20, 12:06pm
...I used to be a libertarian, but this event has reinforced my experience that basically enough people don't behave well that there will be problems.
You know, bae, , if we were sitting over a glass of great Washington state red wine, I might offer this in a friendly tone of voice: perhaps you weren't a good libertarian. :)
I think there’s plenty of room for questioning of government action in this pandemic without embracing full-on laissez faire.
A good libertarian could have many views about appropriate government action here. She might, for instance, support local government closing local borders or taking other draconian measures. That is local, let em do what they wish, to an extent.
The key thing about letting the people decide their own governance is that we let the people decide their own governance. They may make stupid decisions. They may make decisions that are not to the liking of nattering nabobs of negativity, effete snobs, the Enightened.
She could have had snow, like we did yesterday! I've got wood AND electric heat going.
But you practically live in Canada! I’ve been to Missouri a lot of times since my in-laws live in St. Louis and the weather has always either been winter or 100 degrees with 95% humidity. I figured they would be having the latter by now.
iris lilies
5-10-20, 1:33pm
But you practically live in Canada! I’ve been to Missouri a lot of times since my in-laws live in St. Louis and the weather has always either been winter or 100 degrees with 95% humidity. I figured they would be having the latter by now.
We had 3 stupidly hot days in this spring, all weeks apart.
but overall it has been a pleasing cool spring with good rains but not crazy torrential rains that caused flooding.
invisibleflash
5-11-20, 8:38pm
OP, don't know. We will see now that things are opening up. Virus has the last say. I still hunkering down with no plans to change.
Here in Mohave Valley, sunny Arizona, the local sheriff has said he has no intention of enforcing any social distancing rules and doesn't want to hear about it if someone opens their business against the governor's wishy-washy lockdown orders. Meanwhile, the state is being sued for refusing to disclose numbers and locations of nursing homes with COVID-19 outbreaks. The governor says to do so would be bad for business(!). The State of Arizona also got publicly shamed into backing off their position that Arizona State University researchers and epidemiologists should STOP studying and modeling the spread of COVID-19 in the state, as the state preferred using its own, secret (!) model instead.
By the way, Arizona is 51st of all US states (and Washington, D.C.) in administering tests for COVID-19. No wonder our numbers are low! Nevertheless, the coronavirus persists...our numbers are still going up.
Teacher Terry
5-21-20, 11:39am
Delay, wow that’s truly awful. Glad I don’t live there. I am happy with Nevada’s response.
I bet Putin is enjoying all this strife from afar; undoubtedly his bots are aiding and abetting, and the Useful Idiot in Chief is leading the charge. The rest of the world has given up on us, I imagine, as any kind of leading light.
My governor is doing a good job, as are Oregon's and California's, but I can't help but wonder how long it will be before Trump will start leaning on them to open up too quickly and undo all the good work we've done. I'm safe here, but I fear for the thousands and thousands who will be martyrs to this madness.
[QUOTE=JaneV2.0;353317]I bet Putin is enjoying all this strife from afar; undoubtedly his bots are aiding and abetting, and the Useful Idiot in Chief is leading the charge. The rest of the world has given up on us, I imagine, as any kind of leading light.
My governor is doing a good job, as are Oregon's and California's, but I can't help but wonder how long it will be before Trump will start leaning on them to open up too quickly and undo all the good work we've done. I'm safe here, but I fear for the thousands and thousands who will be martyrs to this madness.[/QUOTE
Same for Idaho. BUT, the rural natives are restless and not following guidelines. "but the cases are in the Nursing homes". Well, I just looked up their data. 60 cases are employees and 70 are residents. Yup, you're safe. Go ahead and take your sorry butt out there. You with the 8 autoimmune diseases and severe diabetes...without a mask. Yup, go ahead.
These people make me CRA CRA!
Several states have started hiding statistics, if they're counting at all to make themselves and/or Trump look better than they should. I'm with the (nasty ;) ) reporter who asked during the press conference something like "Why are you acting like this is a competition?" More like a race to the bottom.
gimmethesimplelife
5-21-20, 1:33pm
Here in Mohave Valley, sunny Arizona, the local sheriff has said he has no intention of enforcing any social distancing rules and doesn't want to hear about it if someone opens their business against the governor's wishy-washy lockdown orders. Meanwhile, the state is being sued for refusing to disclose numbers and locations of nursing homes with COVID-19 outbreaks. The governor says to do so would be bad for business(!). The State of Arizona also got publicly shamed into backing off their position that Arizona State University researchers and epidemiologists should STOP studying and modeling the spread of COVID-19 in the state, as the state preferred using its own, secret (!) model instead.
By the way, Arizona is 51st of all US states (and Washington, D.C.) in administering tests for COVID-19. No wonder our numbers are low! Nevertheless, the coronavirus persists...our numbers are still going up.I am less than happy with Arizona's response myself. Especially since our Governor really loosened restrictions right after Trump's May 5th visit to the Valley. I would not be at all surprised if Arizona became a hotspot going forward. Rob
iris lilies
5-21-20, 2:32pm
I am less than happy with Arizona's response myself. Especially since our Governor really loosened restrictions right after Trump's May 5th visit to the Valley. I would not be at all surprised if Arizona became a hotspot going forward. Rob
But don’t you have cities and counties that are more restrictive than the state? We do here. In the higher population areas restrictions and requirements are different than In out state.
Our state, IN, has one set of requirements and dates (constantly changing) and then three counties have totally different requirements and dates. So right now, many are driving to the surrounding county to enjoy in house dining and such. One hairdresser offered space in her salon, outside the county, to others to use who have business inside the county. Crazy.
Sure the high density city has more cases, more poverty, etc. but it is only 10 to 15 miles to exit and be in a different set of rules. At some point it all is ridiculous. Had my first shopping trip, outside my restricted county today. Everyone appeared to be careful and mostly masks in evidence except at one store. But this particular store rarely has more than a couple of people in it at any time.
frugal-one
5-21-20, 4:54pm
Several states have started hiding statistics, if they're counting at all to make themselves and/or Trump look better than they should. I'm with the (nasty ;) ) reporter who asked during the press conference something like "Why are you acting like this is a competition?" More like a race to the bottom.
Saw recently in Florida a woman whose job it was (I believe) to tally COVID19 deaths was fired because she refused to downplay the numbers.
Saw recently in Florida a woman whose job it was (I believe) to tally COVID19 deaths was fired because she refused to downplay the numbers.
Recent news reports suggest that people who diligently and honestly do their jobs have bounties on their heads in some locales. Witness the last four Inspectors General.
Several states have started hiding statistics, if they're counting at all to make themselves and/or Trump look better than they should. I'm with the (nasty ;) ) reporter who asked during the press conference something like "Why are you acting like this is a competition?" More like a race to the bottom.
Georgia's effort was certainly the most egregious. Rearranging the days of the calendar to make it look like the stats were steadily going down is remarkably brazen. And also remarkably stupid, but, hey, that's the way republicans roll. The problem with that plan is when everyone is mourning a beloved dead grandma fake stats will be slim consolation.
Georgia's effort was certainly the most egregious. Rearranging the days of the calendar to make it look like the stats were steadily going down is remarkably brazen. And also remarkably stupid, but, hey, that's the way republicans roll. The problem with that plan is when everyone is mourning a beloved dead grandma fake stats will be slim consolation.
This has nothing to do with political party. Charlie Baker is a Republican who has not manipulated statistics to minimize deaths. Instead he has inflated deaths by counting anyone who died in any nursing home with covid present as a covid death even if medical examiners ruled otherwise. The father of one of my coworkers is an example. This may be why 60% of our deaths are in nursing homes vs as low as 25% in other states and why we got hot spot status. Massachusetts was the next to last state to ease any restrictions at all, with many businesses still forced to remain closed. There is a $300 fine for not wearing a mask in public.
ETA Larry Hogan is another Republican governor who has been very cautious about reopening.
If anyone would care to share them I’d love to hear stories about Elected Democrats trying to fudge the covid stats in your state to make the pandemic seem less pandemical.
If anyone would care to share them I’d love to hear stories about Elected Democrats trying to fudge the covid stats in your state to make the pandemic seem less pandemical.
It’s interesting. I googled “fudging Covid data”, and found an article mentioning Virginia, Texas, Vermont, Georgia and Florida. The interesting thing was how different organizations used different headlines for the identical article.
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