OMG!!!!! Give me air..... [Archive]

gimmethesimplelife

6-4-20, 9:02pm

I just read on yahoo.com news that the Minneapolis City Council is seeking to permanently DISBAND the Minneapolis PD!!! WOW!!! An unheard of display of Common Sense and Human Rights Actually Mattering in America. I am floored. Stunned. Lost at sea in admiration. Flabbergasted. What about all of you? Rob

iris lilies

6-4-20, 9:04pm

I just read on yahoo.com news that the Minneapolis City Council is seeking to permanently DISBAND the Minneapolis PD!!! WOW!!! An unheard of display of Common Sense and Human Rights Actually Mattering in America. I am floored. Stunned. Lost at sea in admiration. Flabbergasted. What about all of you? Rob
In your mind, what does that mean?

In another thread we are talking about performative allyship.

In the city of St. Louis with our constant race politics I see plenty of performative legislating. Without looking into it in any way and just taking what you say at face value,I suspect this is one of those cases.

gimmethesimplelife

6-4-20, 9:11pm

In your mind, what does that mean?

In another thread we are talking about performative allyship.

In the city of St. Louis with our constant race politics I see plenty of performative legislating. Without looking into it in any way and just taking what you say at face value,I suspect this is one of those cases.Probably combining forces with the St. Paul PD or that of a close-in first rung suburb, maybe Brooklyn Park? There is of course a need for a policing function - just not the current systemically evil one. Is this what you are refering to - combining Minneapolis with another PD? Rob

bae

6-4-20, 9:13pm

“Several of us on the council are working on finding out what it would take to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and start fresh with a community-oriented, nonviolent public safety and outreach capacity,"

gimmethesimplelife

6-4-20, 9:17pm

“Several of us on the council are working on finding out what it would take to disband the Minneapolis Police Department and start fresh with a community-oriented, nonviolent public safety and outreach capacity,"Intriguing.....but not very specific. Rob

bae

6-4-20, 9:21pm

Intriguing.....but not very specific. Rob

I'm wondering how that works during home invasions and bank robberies.

gimmethesimplelife

6-4-20, 9:23pm

I'm wondering how that works during home invasions and bank robberies.We already see how it works with the current PD. Doesb't take much to equal death already in Minneapolis, does it? Rob

gimmethesimplelife

6-4-20, 9:24pm

Should have been doesn't above. Rob

bae

6-4-20, 9:32pm

We already see how it works with the current PD. Doesb't take much to equal death already in Minneapolis, does it? Rob

https://www.startribune.com/as-2019-closes-st-paul-s-homicide-rate-doubles-last-year/566212762/

gimmethesimplelife

6-4-20, 9:32pm

I'm really hoping SteveinMN sees this and comments. I'd love to hear his take as a local. Rob

bae

6-4-20, 9:34pm

The City Council is NOT pleased with the PD in general it seems - the PD has been accused of basically running a racket to get budgets. Sounds like it needs a total housecleaning.

LDAHL

6-4-20, 9:41pm

I just read on yahoo.com news that the Minneapolis City Council is seeking to permanently DISBAND the Minneapolis PD!!! WOW!!! An unheard of display of Common Sense and Human Rights Actually Mattering in America. I am floored. Stunned. Lost at sea in admiration. Flabbergasted. What about all of you? Rob

That should do wonders for gun sales.

Teacher Terry

6-4-20, 11:33pm

Really a bad idea. Reform is needed but this is crazy.

Yppej

6-5-20, 5:47am

Bank robberies could be handled by arming security guards. Murders and other serious crimes could be handled at the county level. When I lived in Florida the sheriff not a municipal police department handled crime.

Who handled crime before the white people came to Minnesota? I don't think the Dakota and Ojibwe had police departments. Yes, there are ways to organize things other than the current system. In parts of Africa there is a village chief who acts as judge in crimes and disputes. The challenge will be creating a system that works in a large, mobile society, but I am glad people are starting to think big.

Getting to the roots of crime should be one focus. How can we better nourish and protect our children and give them adequate resources, education, and positive reinforcement so they grow up valued and able to contribute to society? You can trace a lot of crime to addiction which we criminalized with the war on drugs and a lot of addiction is rooted in abuse, neglect, and hopelessness. If you watch shows like Intervention or Iyanla Fix My Life it gives you a different perspective on crime. Imagine for instance the positive impact of a universal healthcare system that offers treatment on demand to addicts. You cannot police your way out of certain problems. Lord knows we have wasted billions if not trillions trying in this country with a war on drugs that has ravaged our major cities and a mass incarceration system that has torn families apart leading to new generations of broken, abandoned children falling into the maw of law enforcement.

ETA many of the unconvicted offenses for which people have been killed could have been handled by the equivalent of a village chief - driving an unregistered car, selling loose cigarettes, using a $20 counterfeit bill, etc.

dmc

6-5-20, 10:39am

That should do wonders for gun sales.

Guns and ammo sales are already up. I guess some feel that you are suppose to let the looters just have their way. I’ll bet that changes if it’s their home and property, and family.

LDAHL

6-5-20, 11:06am

Village chiefs? Most likely selected from among the Democratic Party organizations that have so long governed these combustible cities? How would that be an improvement over municipal court judges?

Yppej

6-5-20, 2:33pm

Village chiefs? Most likely selected from among the Democratic Party organizations that have so long governed these combustible cities? How would that be an improvement over municipal court judges?

I would think from long-term residents, such as leaders of nonprofits in the community, or law students who grew up in the area. There are high schools that have student courts that mete out punishment for infractions and those seem to work well. It's the concept behind jury of your peers, except the current criminal justice system pressures everyone to plead rather than go before their peers.