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frugal-one
6-19-20, 11:50am
Yesterday, Thursday, June 18....
Facebook removed campaign ads by President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence that featured an upside-down red triangle, a symbol once used by Nazis to designate political prisoners, communists and others in concentration camps.
This speaks for itself!!!!!
This speaks for itself!!!!!What does it say?
I read that they said it was simply an emoji. :doh:
happystuff
6-19-20, 12:25pm
What does it say?
In my opinion, it says Trump continues to be a hateful, insensitive individual.
happystuff
6-19-20, 12:27pm
I read that they said it was simply an emoji. :doh:
And if that's all it was, why even bother using it?
I read that they said it was simply an emoji. :doh:
In my opinion, it says Trump continues to be a hateful, insensitive individual.
There's probably some missing context which I'd be curious to know before making up my mind. I'm sure that's an outdated concept but, you know, I'm old.
There's probably some missing context which I'd be curious to know before making up my mind. I'm sure that's an outdated concept but, you know, I'm old.
Could have been a clever marketing ploy to use a symbol that even the Anti-Defamation League doesn't list in its hate symbols because it's no longer relevant. That way he couldn't associate himself with anything that has current relevance while eliciting denouncements from the media which in turn will jazz up certain elements of his base.
Could have been a clever marketing ploy to use a symbol that even the Anti-Defamation League doesn't list in its hate symbols because it's no longer relevant. That way he couldn't associate himself with anything that has current relevance while eliciting denouncements from the media which in turn will jazz up certain elements of his base.That could be, but from what I've seen this morning, it's not his base that's jazzed up about it.
ApatheticNoMore
6-19-20, 1:23pm
I read that they said it was simply an emoji.
what was POS emoji already taken?
What does it say?
It says "I'm Stephen Miller, and I approved this ad."
Upside-down red triangle.
Why was it in the ad?
1) Someone knew what it meant, and snuck it in as a dog-whistle to the base
2) Someone knew what it meant, and snuck it in to ruffle up the feathers of the Outrage Community for a variety of reasons
3) Nobody knew what it meant, and it was in for graphic design purposes
4) Someone put it in as an emoji to represent something else, I don't know what, I don't keep up with emoji speak
5) Something else
6) Some combination of the above
Now, I just this moment tracked down the ad in question. The triangle isn't an emoji, it is a prominent part of the graphic design and messaging of the ad. Someone put the thing in there on purpose, to convey some sort of messages. In the context of the text in the ad, the message seems to be political.
So the choice of an inverted red triangle does seem tricky to explain. When I was at the National Holocaust Museum in DC recently, they had an exhibit of the clothing symbols sewn onto concentration camp victims, I believe the red one was for political prisoners and dissidents.
A bit of a coincidence perhaps...
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happystuff
6-19-20, 2:34pm
Yup, sticking by my opinion that it says Trump continues to be a hateful, insensitive individual.
frugal-one
6-19-20, 2:47pm
That could be, but from what I've seen this morning, it's not his base that's jazzed up about it.
Not the "trumpers"... he can say/do anything. trump is a hitler/dictator-wanna be. Read Bae's post for clarification!
Stephen Miller is an avowed white nationalist (supremacist)--the equivalent of Hitler's Joseph Goebbels, minister of propaganda. He writes most, if not all, of Trump's speeches.
So the choice of an inverted red triangle does seem tricky to explain. When I was at the National Holocaust Museum in DC recently, they had an exhibit of the clothing symbols sewn onto concentration camp victims, I believe the red one was for political prisoners and dissidents.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Red_Triangle.svg/150px-Red_Triangle.svg.png It also indicates family planning products and services. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Triangle_(family_planning)
It was also apparently used by European Anti-Fascist groups after WWII. https://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2020/0619/Why-Facebook-removed-17-000-worth-of-Trump-Pence-campaign-ads
Those are facts for anyone interested. ;)
frugal-one
6-19-20, 5:51pm
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Red_Triangle.svg/150px-Red_Triangle.svg.png It also indicates family planning products and services. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Triangle_(family_planning)
It was also apparently used by European Anti-Fascist groups after WWII. https://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/2020/0619/Why-Facebook-removed-17-000-worth-of-Trump-Pence-campaign-ads
Those are facts for anyone interested. ;)
Look again.. the first says facts need to be checked for verification that this indicates family planning and the next article says it is troubling that trump would use a symbol of the Nazis.
It reminds me of those old yellow signs on fallout shelters, not a good thing.
Look again.. the first says facts need to be checked for verification that this indicates family planning and the next article says it is troubling that trump would use a symbol of the Nazis.
Now that's interesting! I didn't notice the Wikipedia link's "needs verification" notice when I posted it and the footer show's it was edited today. LOL
As for the CS Monitor link, it says several things for those with open minds to ingest. The most telling thing to me is that given several historical uses of the image, they chose to link this usage to the one most likely to make you happy. Will you reward them with a subscription?
So, why was this triangle in the ad, and prominently?
What was it intended to represent?
So, why was this triangle in the ad, and prominently?
What was it intended to represent?
They said Antifa, but people seem to prefer other explanations. Personally, I have no idea.
They said Antifa, but people seem to prefer other explanations. Personally, I have no idea.
I just remember, when I was involved briefly in Marketing, we had people whose job it was to look over our advertising very very keenly looking for things that could be misinterpreted and cause The Dreaded Corporate Apology Thing to happen. And we were only a Silicon Valley tech company.
If I were the President, or someone in charge of running a Presidential campaign, I'd be super duper careful about this stuff, it doesn't cost all that much to do it right.
If trump were a fan of antifa or planned parenthood than one of those options might make sense. Considering that trump has also recently threatened State violence against anyone exercising their first amendment rights to protest in oklahoma this weekend I’d put my money on bae’s explanation.
ApatheticNoMore
6-19-20, 7:06pm
If you want to dogwhistle you do in a subtle way, so noone can be quite sure what is being said, certainly not most who may not be in with the in-crowd and whatever it is you are really signaling, you work on the *plausible* as opposed to completely implausible deniability. As someone said with Trump dogwhistles that sound like trainwhistles, yep incompetent at even dogwhistling, it would be far too subtle.
I’d put my money on bae’s explanation.
To be fair, I did not offer an explanation, just a taxonomy, and some random observations.
I agree with Alan - I don't think we can actually know, there are too many possibilities and variables.
It does however appear to me to be a bit inept.
iris lilies
6-19-20, 7:35pm
That could be, but from what I've seen this morning, it's not his base that's jazzed up about it.
oh that we had a “like” thread function.
I didn’t wade into this thread earlier todaY because I was occupied with another one of my favorite forums and the racism debates, and moderator toppling, that is taking place there. Anyways... I have two observations:
1: Trump is not and never has been subtle. What you all are ascribing to him is not his style.
2. our resident Trumpster, Alan, (as called out by frugal-one) doesn’t know what the red triangle means. He is a pretty smart guy, our Alan. Kinda hard for me to see this red triangle, odd tho it is, as a secret signal to the initiates.
How does this make any sense, that which you all are finding so full of evil?
I just remember, when I was involved briefly in Marketing, we had people whose job it was to look over our advertising very very keenly looking for things that could be misinterpreted and cause The Dreaded Corporate Apology Thing to happen. And we were only a Silicon Valley tech company.
If I were the President, or someone in charge of running a Presidential campaign, I'd be super duper careful about this stuff, it doesn't cost all that much to do it right.
I'm sure they were careful, because he only hires the very best people.
frugal-one
6-19-20, 8:07pm
Now that's interesting! I didn't notice the Wikipedia link's "needs verification" notice when I posted it and the footer show's it was edited today. LOL
As for the CS Monitor link, it says several things for those with open minds to ingest. The most telling thing to me is that given several historical uses of the image, they chose to link this usage to the one most likely to make you happy. Will you reward them with a subscription?
Any intelligent group would not use a symbol that has possible negative connotations! I think it was done to show the true nature of the beast.
I think it was done to show the true nature of the beast.Have you parsed the forbidden ad for signs of too many 6's?
2. our resident Trumpster, Alan, (as called out by frugal-one) doesn’t know what the red triangle means.
To be fair, while pretty much all white supremacists are trumpsters, not all trumpsters are white supremacists. Alan is almost certainly not a white supremacist, at least if his persona here is to be believed. Those little red triangles weren't targeted at Alan. Which is exactly the way dog whistles work. Only the intended recipient is supposed to hear them. But when there's a plausibly deniable dog whistle in just about every damn thing the president does, it begs credibility when people try to push them off as just accidental.
But when there's a plausibly deniable dog whistle in just about every damn thing the president does, it begs credibility when people try to push them off as just accidental.
Indeed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem
But when there's a plausibly deniable dog whistle in just about every damn thing the president does, it begs credibility when people try to push them off as just accidental.Did someone imply the red triangle was an accident or did someone imply that given several options, how can anyone know which one is correct?
I don’t understand why people feel the need to search out obscure signs and portents when going after Trump. Or dig through the this-day-in-history sites to gin up extra outrage over him appearing at some place or date hallowed by the blood of martyrs. All you really need to attack the guy are his own words. You don’t need an elaborate demonology from the Woke clerisy.
Trump is a backlash politician who especially thrives on the sillier sounding attacks. Coming up with dog whistle conspiracy stuff probably helps more than hurts him.
Did someone imply the red triangle was an accident or did someone imply that given several options, how can anyone know which one is correct?
I already previously answered as to why the other possible meanings you presented were unlikely. Did you have some more random potential meanings to toss out there?
Did someone imply the red triangle was an accident or did someone imply that given several options, how can anyone know which one is correct?
It’s all laid out in “The Da Vinci Code”, for those with the courage to face the truth.
I already previously answered as to why the other possible meanings you presented were unlikely. Did you have some more random potential meanings to toss out there?OK, so lets go with your belief that the red triangle was used in the ad as a representation of political prisoners. Tell me please what audience was it serving and also what group was it meant to harm?
It was meant to do the same thing as his comments about good bloodlined Henry ford. To let his American nazi supporters know that he is still on their side.
And frankly it harms all of us to have a racist shitstain for a president, but some people don't seem to care and prefer to deny what is so obviously in front of all of our eyes.
And frankly it harms all of us to have a racist shitstain for a president, but some people don't seem to care and prefer to deny what is so obviously in front of all of our eyes.I'm trying to understand how many leaps of faith I'd have to make to be as certain as you. Being open minded and curious is exhausting!
happystuff
6-20-20, 11:34am
I'm trying to understand how many leaps of faith I'd have to make to be as certain as you. Being open minded and curious is exhausting!
And some people also use it as an excuse to come to no conclusions and/or do nothing.
I'm trying to understand how many leaps of faith I'd have to make to be as certain as you. Being open minded and curious is exhausting!
Thanks for providing an example of what I'm talking about. But please keep using contortions to come up with thoroughly implausible explanations for everything trump does. I guess that's the new definition of open minded and curious.
Thanks for providing an example of what I'm talking about. But please keep using contortions to come up with thoroughly implausible explanations for everything trump does. I guess that's the new definition of open minded and curious.
I haven't provided any explanations, I was curious about what the red triangle stood for and found several examples, one of which possibly lines up with the campaign's explanation. You can reject that if you wish but you shouldn't mis-represent my actions, that's dishonest.
frugal-one
6-20-20, 11:53am
Have you parsed the forbidden ad for signs of too many 6's?
Not at all. trump is the devil incarnate.
frugal-one
6-20-20, 11:55am
It’s all laid out in “The Da Vinci Code”, for those with the courage to face the truth.
I didn't read the book. So, why don't you tell us.
frugal-one
6-20-20, 11:57am
I'm trying to understand how many leaps of faith I'd have to make to be as certain as you. Being open minded and curious is exhausting!
You definitely are not open-minded.
Not at all. trump is the devil incarnate.
Well that certainly explains a lot. :devil:
frugal-one
6-20-20, 11:59am
Well that certainly explains a lot. :devil:
As was Hitler and the Nazis.... back to the original meaning of the inverted triangle. As I have stated before, trump is a Hitler/dictator wanna be. And as others here have pointed out, this is calling to his "base"
As was Hitler and the Nazis.... back to the original meaning of the inverted triangle. As I have stated before, trump is a Hitler/dictator wanna be.What was the original meaning of the inverted triangle again?
I'm guessing that symbolism means a lot to you with all these references to devils and such so I'm curious about something else. I've spent the last several days camping at the base of the Devil's Tower in Wyoming. Does that make me a demon?
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frugal-one
6-20-20, 12:15pm
What was the original meaning of the inverted triangle again?
I'm guessing that symbolism means a lot to you with all these references to devils and such so I'm curious about something else. I've spent the last several days camping at the base of the Devil's Tower in Wyoming. Does that make me a demon?
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/104688456_10218534073169194_2707339332688062291_o. jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=16g8pvUouHIAX9pY8Nb&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=297add93a60e086d3fd349c2027c9d2b&oe=5F12F793
Go to the original post.....Also, you were the one who referenced devils. Look back. You are the judge of your worth or lack thereof. Nice photo.
ApatheticNoMore
6-20-20, 12:25pm
I suppose such "open mindedness" might be needed if this was a court of law, maybe. Is it on a crime show? You have here a serial killer, he has already been convicted of killing 20 people and has a signature crime, another crime has been turned up, bearing all his markings, but did he do it or what is it a copycat? We'll be back to Law and Order (yea the t.v. show) after this commercial break.
But noone is going to apply that standard toward Trump because basically it's already well established that he's repetitively cozying up to racists, running on racism etc., and not in a subtle way. Whether this is another example of this, the answer is almost certainly yes, based on sheer pattern of behavior alone. But even if for some obscure reason it isn't, and it's just another example of Trumps incompetence rather than racism (he is certainly as incompetent as he is racist, but not usually about running for President so much as being President). It's not that important, it changes nothing, because frankly nothing of consequence follows from it, we are not determining whether to add another 5 years to his sentence but another 4 years to ours (how we hope to even survive until parole). We already know Trump runs on racism and not in a subtle way, this isn't news.
ApatheticNoMore
6-20-20, 12:50pm
In Tulsa Trump probably stands behind a 20 foot wall of plexiglass, while his supporters sign covid waivers. Probably. Though sometimes I am partial to the conspiracy theory that our rulers have a vaccine :) So we'll see 20 foot wall of plexiglass or handshakes with the cult followers.
In Tulsa Trump probably stands behind a 20 foot wall of plexiglass, while his supporters sign covid waivers. Probably. Though sometimes I am partial to the conspiracy theory that our rulers have a vaccine :) So we'll see 20 foot wall of plexiglass or what.I heard this morning that the campaign will be handing out masks and hand sanitizer along with doing temperature checks of all attendees.
I heard this morning that the campaign will be handing out masks and hand sanitizer along with doing temperature checks of all attendees.
Prudent.
frugal-one
6-20-20, 3:08pm
I heard this morning that the campaign will be handing out masks and hand sanitizer along with doing temperature checks of all attendees.
Yes. Handing them out but not recommending or mandating they be worn. trump is the example. His followers will feed off what he does. We all know his stance. Sadly, these people are coming from all over the United States. I can't imagine the numbers will go down around the country after this. 19,000 people crammed into an indoor arena ..... more than 100,000 extra people in the city.....
Teacher Terry
6-20-20, 3:19pm
Trump said people wearing masks are mocking him.
Trump said people wearing masks are mocking him.
Like when he accused the reporter at one of his press conferences as insisting on being "politically correct," because he was wearing one. What an ass.
Like when he accused the reporter at one of his press conferences as insisting on being "politically correct," because he was wearing one. What an ass.
I was "politically correct" on three medical calls this morning. It's all about virtue signalling, when we're there intubating someone.
Yes. Handing them out but not recommending or mandating they be worn. trump is the example. His followers will feed off what he does. We all know his stance. Sadly, these people are coming from all over the United States. I can't imagine the numbers will go down around the country after this. 19,000 people crammed into an indoor arena ..... more than 100,000 extra people in the city.....
Maybe they can add disinfectant to the tear gas.
frugal-one
6-20-20, 6:38pm
Maybe they can add disinfectant to the tear gas.
Yeah.. or according to trump.. ingest bleach too.
Yeah.. or according to trump.. ingest bleach too.
Drink enough bleach, and Covid will be the least of your worries.
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