View Full Version : "Choosing country over party"
frugal-one
7-2-20, 10:01am
43 for Biden article.....
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/bush-alumni-for-biden-092022241.html
There are a lot of Republicans who are breaking party to keep Trump from getting elected. I love the stuff The Lincoln Project (https://lincolnproject.us) is putting out.
I would think it was Biden’s to lose at this point. His handlers are doing well to keep him under wraps to the extent they have.
There are a lot of Republicans who are breaking party to keep Trump from getting elected. I love the stuff The Lincoln Project (https://lincolnproject.us) is putting out.
My husband just donated fifty dollars to them. He says they are great.
I respect the people behind The Lincoln Project tremendously. Unlike Democrats do so often, they don't hold back. Steve Schmidt is a particularly eloquent spokesman for them.
I've sent money, too.
I respect the people behind The Lincoln Project tremendously. Unlike Democrats do so often, they don't hold back. Steve Schmidt is a particularly eloquent spokesman for them.
I've sent money, too.
Yes, if you want to see what a good attack ad against a republican looks like you need to leave it to other republicans. They’ve got that skill down pat.
Yes, if you want to see what a good attack ad against a republican looks like you need to leave it to other republicans. They’ve got that skill down pat.
Well, to be fair, an attack ad against Trump doesn't require a rocket scientist.
Well, to be fair, an attack ad against Trump doesn't require a rocket scientist.
...BUT it has much more impact if done by a respected Republican.
...BUT it has much more impact if done by a respected Republican.
Are there any of those left at this point? Where have they been the last ~4 years?
Are there any of those left at this point? Where have they been the last ~4 years?
There’s at least one. But he’s been thoroughly vilified by the rest of them for being willing to do the right thing.
There’s at least one. But he’s been thoroughly vilified by the rest of them for being willing to do the right thing.He's used to it, it hasn't been that long since the left vilified him for ..... everything.
ApatheticNoMore
7-2-20, 7:51pm
If he ran against Biden there would be no policy differences.
Are there any of those left at this point? Where have they been the last ~4 years?
Good point. As article suggests, there are hundreds of former Bush Republicans ... surely some of them well respected?
Good point. As article suggests, there are hundreds of former Bush Republicans ... surely some of them well respected?
True. Because they haven’t soiled themselves with the current administration.
He's used to it, it hasn't been that long since the left vilified him for ..... everything.
And we still dislike the things about him for which we vilified him at the time. Today those issues seem quaint in comparison to the crud republicans stand for now but that’s a topic for another thread and another day. At least he has convictions for which he’s willing to stand up. Unlike basically every other republican politician who has been in office for the past four years.
It’s striking that so many republicans have spoken out against the travesty that is the trump administration but that basically the only ones willing to do so are those that no longer have anything to lose because they have left politics. Romney is the lone exception to that rule.
iris lilies
7-3-20, 10:40am
And we still dislike the things about him for which we vilified him at the time. Today those issues seem quaint in comparison to the crud republicans stand for now but that’s a topic for another thread and another day. At least he has convictions for which he’s willing to stand up. Unlike basically every other republican politician who has been in office for the past four years.
It’s striking that so many republicans have spoken out against the travesty that is the trump administration but that basically the only ones willing to do so are those that no longer have anything to lose because they have left politics. Romney is the lone exception to that rule.
It’s also a quaint idea to see any mention, as frugal-one makes, of a Bush Republican “well respected” on this site.
As if.
It’s also a quaint idea to see any mention, as frugal-one makes, of a Bush Republican “well respected” on this site.
As if.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Same villain, different name.
It’s also a quaint idea to see any mention, as frugal-one makes, of a Bush Republican “well respected” on this site.
As if.
You make a good point. I would still criticize anyone who supported Cheney, Rumsfield at al in their all-out, bloody, and pointless assault on the Middle East.
It’s also a quaint idea to see any mention, as frugal-one makes, of a Bush Republican “well respected” on this site.
As if.
Maybe no one on this site has made a convincing argument for why any modern republican politician deserves respect?
ApatheticNoMore
7-3-20, 12:58pm
The thing is contrary to how much we should respect our kings, you can see echos of the present before. Think Trump has mishandled the coronavirus? Yea so does everyone paying attention. But you can see echos of this in Bush's mishandling of Katrina (remember, right?).
It's just on level of pure scale .... Trump ... just boggles the mind, he's dumber and less able to even grasp the existence of an external reality, he's more openly hateful and brings out the worst in everyone, he screws up a bigger scale, he's mentally far less there (nor does he have anyone else in his administration competent to run things while he uses drugs or whatever it is he does that makes him that way).
And the Republicans won't do the one thing they need to do, like yesterday: remove him from office. They are the only one's who could, Dems can't do it alone. So they are enabling, aiding and abetting all of it.
I think we are getting worse and worse Presidents as a general rule, I mean there is some systematic decay at work IMO, so that complaints from yesterday seem quaint (why wouldn't they, if things are actually degenerating? systematic decay ...). But quite regardless, it's not like I think we HAVE to have Trump. Trump has got to go.
The thing is contrary to how much we should respect our kings, you can see echos of the present before. Think Trump has mishandled the coronavirus? Yea so does everyone paying attention. But you can see echos of this in Bush's mishandling of Katrina (remember, right?).
It's just on level of pure scale .... Trump ... just boggles the mind, he's dumber and less able to even grasp the existence of an external reality, he's more openly hateful and brings out the worst in everyone, he screws up a bigger scale, he's mentally far less there (nor does he have anyone else in his administration competent to run things while he uses drugs or whatever it is he does that makes him that way).
And the Republicans won't do the one thing they need to do, like yesterday: remove him from office. They are the only one's who could, Dems can't do it alone. So they are enabling, aiding and abetting all of it.
I think we are getting worse and worse Presidents as a general rule, I mean there is some systematic decay at work IMO, so that complaints from yesterday seem quaint (why wouldn't they, if things are actually degenerating? systematic decay ...). But quite regardless, it's not like I think we HAVE to have Trump. Trump has got to go.
I agree with most of what you've written, except we don't know how President Obama might have governed without Mitch McConnell and his vow to obstruct every last thing he attempted to do. There's another one who needs to go.
It’s also a quaint idea to see any mention, as frugal-one makes, of a Bush Republican “well respected” on this site.
As if.
You forget. I was an Independent and have voted Republican previously. However, I doubt, based on this administration, I will ever vote that way again.
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