Are you" isolated" ? [Archive] - Simple Living Forums

herbgeek

7-14-20, 6:45pm

I'm isolated. I don't get out much on a good day, and never in Covid times. My entire social circle is my extended family. The only other people I have been in contact with in the last 4 months are my primary care provider and her nurse, and the mammographer. I could do Zoom calls with friends, but I just don't. I would feel sorry for myself and maybe a little lonely, but then I watch Washington Journal on CSPAN while I work out in the morning, and the callers make me afraid to leave the house. So many nut cases. :D

Chicken lady

7-14-20, 7:08pm

Is a phone call an “interaction“?

I mean, I live with my Dh, so by definition I can’t be “isolated”.

Teacher Terry

7-14-20, 7:15pm

The 3 months we stayed home all the time was depressing. We don’t do any large group activities but have resumed some of our normal lives.

catherine

7-14-20, 7:49pm

I am definitely not isolated. At least I don't feel that way.

bae

7-14-20, 8:08pm

Not too terribly isolated.

I Skype with my daughter every few days, she's trapped in the UK right now and not at home here as planned. This is perhaps the worst isolation for me, as we had all sorts of fun plans.

I Skype with my Dad for lunch a couple times a week, seems to cheer us both up.

I see my Mom in person 3-4 times a week, from a safe distance, as she is quite vigorous about her quarantine efforts. Sometimes my sister and her partner are also down there and I can chat, from a distance.

I have a Zoom class once a week on "literature of the pandemic" with about a dozen other local folks, taught by my neighbor the recently-retired professor, that's a lot of fun, and a ton of reading.

I have a Zoom "beach party" with co-workers from Silicon Valley I haven't seen for years, it has been fun seeing old faces and making new friends.

I have coffee in my cul-de-sac with the two other households who are on the same circle - we each set up chairs/table at the end of our driveway, we are probably all 20-40 feet apart.

My "friend" comes over for 3-7 days at a time, every week or two - they live on a nearby island, isolated, and we've combined our households as a "pod" after some amount of quarantine activity, and we reset a quarantine time whenever one household has perhaps been exposed.

I have my friendly bloodhound and satanic cat here full time as well, and my new vegetable garden out on my deck also provides company. I had to put up scare-owls, as the birds were eating all my berries, otherwise I'd have plenty of birds here too.

I am avoiding most non-essential human contact except from a great distance however. I live right next to a large state park that gets hundreds of thousands of visitors a season, and even with all of our restrictions here, the place is packed, so I don't feel so motivated to be over there right now.

frugal-one

7-14-20, 8:10pm

I imagine if you craved social interaction and it was suddenly cut off, you might feel melancholy--but honestly, I don't read those articles. I don't figure they pertain to me.

Received in a newsletter from an estate attorney. Thought the definition was interesting.

Tammy

7-14-20, 8:12pm

Are you still working as a fireman Bae?

SteveinMN

7-14-20, 8:19pm

I think all but the most introverted of us can consider ourselves at least a little "isolated" from how we lived our lives. Those of us cohabitating with others, of course, have a somewhat different interpretation of the term.

I do miss getting together in person with friends and with our dancing group. But it's not me removing myself from the occasions; the occasions have removed themselves from all of us -- until just recently, now that we can (theoretically, anyway) gather in small groups -- though at a distance. As an introvert, it's been easier for me. I've long had hobbies and interests that didn't rely directly on other people. And I've been a computer guy long enough that I've developed close friends across the country whom I've never actually met, so I am happy with a level of virtual interaction that would not satisfy most people.

Now, as we choose which events we will participate in, the real isolation will begin, as each participation is an exposure to COVID-19. As I fully expect this pandemic to get much worse, DW and I are planning what we want to get done before autumn so we can concentrate on a circle that includes our daughter/SiL and the grandchildren, even if it means passing on some other social occasions or activities. I think we'll do okay with that; others, I'm sure -- and, sadly -- will not.

bae

7-14-20, 8:21pm

Are you still working as a fireman Bae?

Yes, but I am limiting my responses to fires, technical rescues, especially bad medical calls, and actual serious infectious disease work.

I don't have a lot of motivation to respond to an off-island tourist with a wrist sprain in the park.

Our training is mostly online right now, which is not nearly as much fun.

Teacher Terry

7-14-20, 9:27pm

We are definitely not going to any big group activities. If things get bad again we will probably go back to isolation. Ugh!

jp1

7-14-20, 9:52pm

We have 3 couples that I would consider our closest friends here. We get together with one of them (the same one each time) for an outdoor dinner, either on our deck or their backyard, every couple of weeks. They've been isolating at home as consistently as we have so it's low, but not zero hazard. I'm comfortable with that level of risk and it's really nice to see people besides SO and the clerks at the Safeway. Otherwise I have lots of phone and video calls because of work, and since everyone still likes to talk about how they're doing in this crazy time I've gotten to know some of my coworkers and professional contacts outside my company better than I probably would have in normal times, which has been nice. And I have a few friends that I regularly text with. I had done that pre-covid, so this isn't really a change. Overall I don't feel isolated at all. But I still look forward to the day that I can walk into a crowded bar or restaurant and do some serious people watching and maybe even have a non-socially distanced conversation with a stranger.

Tradd

7-14-20, 10:48pm

I see the elderly lady from church I shop for once a week. We will chat most weeks while we’re about 10ft apart on her front porch. I have a lot of online friends. Talk with a lot of friends on a regular basis. I see friends when we’re out diving.

I’m single and live alone. Coffee hour after church on Sunday was a major highlight of my week. Last time we had it was early March.

The women’s group from church is going to have an outdoor get together on Monday. We’ll be under the big tree’s shade in the back of the church. We’ll all bring a chair and be we’ll spread out.

Teacher Terry

7-14-20, 10:56pm

We would go out to restaurants and bars and end up talking to people which was fun. Some turned into friendships.

dmc

7-15-20, 5:00am

Nope, we have had workers in and out of our house for the last 4 months. Cabinets are being installed tomorrow. When we go into a store we wear a mask and use hand sanitizers. We do try and keep some distance between others. But we have not holed up in our house. We still visit friends and have some over.

We haven’t done any big group activities, kept groups to under ten. Wife had a friend visit and went to the beach, but it was not crowded. Wife is also flying to Illinois to visit grandson soon. I’m not real happy about that though.

happystuff

7-15-20, 7:31am

Not so much isolation from people, but isolation from a routine. Not working and not having that set schedule has started to get to me. I'm keeping myself busy - very busy, in fact, but it's not the same. It's also hard to slide into a "if this were retirement - what would you do?" mindset because it's NOT retirement. I HAVE to get back to a job.

Again, I'm getting several big and small projects done, but... it's not "work". But, this too shall pass! LOL. I'm doing way better than a lot of folks.

Have a safe and healthy day, everyone.

razz

7-15-20, 10:21am

No, walking the dog twice a day for an hour in the morning and 1/2 hour in the evening is a routine and I meet and visit with people regularly enroute. Family and friends fill in the other personal contacts as well as zoom meetings.

KayLR

7-15-20, 6:40pm

I don't consider myself "isolated" but like someone else indicated, routine pulled out from under me and it's taking time to find my footing.

I had a part-time gig for the past 4 years with an international company from which I was---along with 4,000 others---soullessly and impersonally terminated over a Zoom call in the spring. Now at that job I had a LOT of personal 1-1 interaction and I enjoyed it immensely and looked forward to having that as a retirement gig. It was a place where I felt like I made a difference, was encouraging to others, and met a lot of very nice and interesting people.

Well, shit happens. And viruses.

Now I wonder because of things I've noticed about myself in the past three months, whether I am losing my ability to relate to others. I can go days and not talk to anyone much. I'm in my 37.5-hr job in my office alone as the building is closed to the public. The custodian is here, but I call him Sasquatch because I only have fleeting sightings of him...and no interaction.

The way this is showing up is loss of words (can't think of them), not calling my sister or friend (because nothing much to talk about), memory is shot, feeling of unease because I wonder if I'll ever have "normal" interactions again (church, stitching guild, high school girlfriend get togethers). And if not, what will it look like?

Teacher Terry

7-15-20, 11:14pm

Kay, that’s terrible about your part time job.

Tybee

7-16-20, 8:33am

I am so sorry about your job, Kay. And I share your feelings in your last paragraph, completely.

happystuff

7-16-20, 8:57am

Sorry about your job, Kay. As for not calling because there is nothing to say - I will sometimes call family just to say that there is nothing to say - lol. More often than not, we end up finding something to talk about, at least for a little bit, and it's still nice just to touch base.

Hugs.

Tybee

7-16-20, 8:59am

Good point, happystuff, about calling anyway. My son called me yesterday to let me know he'd taken a trip somewhere, and it was so good to hear his voice, and hear him sounding happy. It really made my week.

Simplemind

7-16-20, 11:02am

Oh Kay, I'm so sorry about your job. That is such a blow especially when it provided such a positive experience or you. I'm missing my volunteer jobs for the same reason. I really looked forward to working with people one on one and feeling like I was making a difference. I miss the conversations.

Your words about the effects are exactly what I have been noticing. I keep saying my brain is turning to cheese and I feel like I'm aging at an accelerated rate. It is like a muscle that isn't being used. My brain wants novelty and problems to solve. Every day is groundhog day....

KayLR

7-16-20, 12:14pm

Your words about the effects are exactly what I have been noticing. I keep saying my brain is turning to cheese and I feel like I'm aging at an accelerated rate. It is like a muscle that isn't being used. My brain wants novelty and problems to solve. Every day is groundhog day....

Exactly...it's very unsettling.

mschrisgo2

7-16-20, 6:55pm

I felt very isolated the first couple of weeks.

I had been tutoring in my students’ homes, and of course that was suddenly cut off (both families are doctors, so they had early warnings). Both kids are special needs, and both pitched a fit about me not coming. After 2 weeks the parents told them “everybody is doing school on line now, so you need to as well.” So I got the structure Of 10 hours a week of work back.

I have been very active in my church for quite a few years, so that was a big loss until we got classes and Sunday service up on Zoom. I’ve taken more classes this spring/summer than I would have, primarily because there’s no driving time involved now. But I miss seeing people in on person, and the hugs. I miss the hugs.

I do have a good friend who lives half a block away. We have always touched in on text every day. When I first ventured out in the Stay at Home Time, I did grocery shopping for her, too. Then I rescued a puppy for her. After a few days, she said, “this pup needs socialization now. I can’t be his whole world at this stage. Can you come and visit us? I feel safe because you are being very careful.“ So we created our “pod” before there was a name for it. Our dogs needed human contact as much as we did. It has worked very well for us, 2 single ladies, each living alone.

I normally would have dinner at my daughter’s house one night a week. Grandson3 and his wife and baby live there too, and I really miss all of them. I didn’t see them for a solid 3 months, then we had our small family dinner for GGSs first birthday in early June. Daughter and Grandson send me pictures almost every day, and we do FaceTime a couple of times a week, it’s so fun to watch Baby light up when he hears my voice! I text with my daughter about 5/7 nights a week.

I’ve kept myself busy with consciously connecting with friends online, my friend in person, gardening, sewing, reading, online classes, hanging out with my dogs. I think the hardest part has been loosing all of the annual events that had to be cancelled, fairs, conferences, quilt shows, dog shows. I have friends that I always connect with in those venues. And I had a wonderful vacation planned with 3 of my cousins, with a quilt show as the centerpiece. It would have been in another state, and we were all really looking forward to it. Maybe next year.

ZanaHart

10-13-20, 9:16pm

I live with my husband, two dogs, and a cat. I talk on the phone regularly with my sister who lives thousands of miles away and with some local friends. Sometimes people have been coming over for lunch outside at a long table. So I'm not isolated but I'm not nearly as social as I have been. My husband is doing most of the shopping as I've had infections this year that required antibiotic treatment from my doctor, plus shingles. I have to admit the time goes by just fine with working on things.

nswef

10-14-20, 1:02pm

I find I am enjoying- (perhaps too much) the lack of socialization. I just ordered Dinner theater season tickets and haven't been or plan to go yet, but felt I should support them. I like having no schedule and am spending a lot of time in the yard, writing-although not nearly as much as I could be doing with the time I have, and doing some housework more thoroughly. I have been focusing on my meditation and doing webinars on writing. I did meet with my sisters- distanced on my porch - it was wonderful to see them It had been since November for one and Feb. for the other. One friend has visited a few times, again distanced on the porch or in the yard. Some phone calls, but I'm not real good about that. I feel very fortunate to have a husband I like to be with! He's golfing which involves having breakfast with 5 other guys...some not so careful, but we've been OK so far.

Tammy

10-14-20, 1:11pm

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about this idea of enjoying the quiet isolated life, as mentioned above.

I find nothing wrong with enjoying isolation. I hope that as we are less impacted by the pandemic, people feel free to continue the isolation if that is what they enjoy.

I’m done with the idea that we all need to be extroverts.

KayLR

10-14-20, 6:53pm

Well, I hope I am not hijacking this thread, but something is really bugging me, and what better place to express?

We live in an older neighborhood, c. 70s homes. Our large backyard abuts two backyards, no alley between. I mentioned one odd couple that "accidentally" sprayed me with Roundup a while back. All of the yards are separated by cyclone fencing.

Then there is another couple next to them. Mom, Dad, two little girls--they have a dog and are raising ducks and chickens! I have no problem with any of that. Their home is much like mine was when I was raising my two girls. We don't interact much. Sometimes when I'm out back weeding or throwing stuff in the compost I'll wave or say, "hi." The little girls don't speak. That's ok. Well, one day one of them (probably 5 or 6) was holding one of the hens. I remarked to her that it was a very pretty chicken and asked if it was her favorite. She said yes and then here came the mom. She was a bit guarded, but I introduced myself and made small talk. She told me her name. I kept it short, and went on my way. It kinda made me feel good that I had at least made some contact with a neighbor.

Well last weekend there was a lot of racket going on and I looked out to see the dad boring fencepost holes in the ground and by Sunday night a 6-ft (at least) fence was erected. Can't see a thing.

Now I don't consider myself a busybody---that brief convo was the first since they moved in last summer---and somehow I am really taking this fence personally. It makes me kinda feel bad. I wonder why they felt the need to erect such a wall between themselves and all the neighbors. I feel boxed in now too.

Not to mention, some of us neighbors kinda watch out for each other....not gonna happen with them now.

razz

10-14-20, 7:20pm

Is there a cultural aspect to this situation?

I have one neighbour who built a new house about the same time I moved into mine. It is surrounded by high 6 foot fence. All the windows are masked with a type of glass frosting. The mother escorts her son everywhere. The father is an MD in a specialty field. He does mow his lawn but seems to have limited understanding of yard maintenance including fertilizer. It has taken 6 years of my smiling and gently greeting them whenever our paths cross - now they smile immediately and nod in reply - never a word spoken. This seems to be the approach with the other neighbours as well. I wonder if they have come through some challenging times or have language limitations.
Not every culture is outgoing and neighbourly is my thinking.

catherine

10-14-20, 7:38pm

That's a bummer about the fence, Kay--hopefully it doesn't take away from your views or feelings of openness in your yard. I wouldn't take it personally. I think some people are fence people. They were probably going to put the fence up anyway. It will probably help protect the ducks and chickens, and if they have a dog, that's another reason to put a fence up.

KayLR

10-14-20, 7:41pm

Is there a cultural aspect to this situation?

I have one neighbour who built a new house about the same time I moved into mine. It is surrounded by high 6 foot fence. All the windows are masked with a type of glass frosting. The mother escorts her son everywhere. The father is an MD in a specialty field. He does mow his lawn but seems to have limited understanding of yard maintenance including fertilizer. It has taken 6 years of my smiling and gently greeting them whenever our paths cross - now they smile immediately and nod in reply - never a word spoken. This seems to be the approach with the other neighbours as well. I wonder if they have come through some challenging times or have language limitations.
No1t every culture is outgoing and neighbourly is my thinking.

nope, just your average white couple like 95% of SW Washington.

KayLR

10-14-20, 7:41pm

Jane v2.0

10-14-20, 8:24pm

If I bought a house without a fenced yard, I wouldn't waste any time getting a fence built. Some people really value their privacy. I wouldn't take it personally.

nswef

10-15-20, 8:54am

Kay, Perhaps the round up sprayer person made them worry about the kids and animals. Maybe they hate cyclone fences. I don't know what I would do if we lived closer to people's houses like in the suburbs, maybe I would want a fence. As it is we have a nodding relationship with both neighbors and one other is rather stand offish, but is coming around. We tend to talk to the neighbors more in the summer when we are all out doing yard things. The ones next door have 3 kids and I LOVE hearing them.

Teacher Terry

10-15-20, 11:44am

We are friendly with our neighbors and they are nice. We have lived in places where that’s not the case. Our yard has metal fencing with privacy slats. There is a wood fence by our patio and we will keep it when it needs replacing. We sit outside a lot and like the privacy. We have dogs so fences are necessary but regardless without one neighbors kids would be in the yard, etc. Kay, your neighbors are acting strange.

iris lilies

10-15-20, 12:28pm

I like my wood fences between neighbors. We went through a period of having a low chain-link fence between us and the next-door neighbor who borders a busy street. The chain-link fence was there before current ordinances were in place to prohibit chain-link so it was old and dodgy. Anyway – I didn’t realize how open and exposed I was to that busy street that’s one yard over Until this wood fence went up. I really really like the wood fence’s privacy.

We toyed with the idea of installing little grills at dog level so that our dogs could peer over there and see what’s going on because whoever is living there has always had a dog. But we didn’t do it And it’s probably just as well because so many of our dogs get so ramped up anyway at just hearing those other dogs.

happystuff

10-15-20, 12:30pm

As others have said, I wouldn't take it personally, Kay. After all, they put the fence up for whatever reasons/issues THEY have.

We finally got some really nice neighbors next door a couple years ago. Very friendly with young kids. Over the years we have actually taken down the "barriers" between the yards. Still have some weed cleanup and old fence posts to go, but mostly free paths between. It's really nice.

Geila

10-15-20, 3:29pm

Kay - here in CA everyone has privacy fences. They're supposed to be 6' tall but many people, including us, find ways to make them taller without breaking ordinance. When we looked at homes in NJ many years ago, contemplating a relocation, we were shocked to see that most homes there just had short see-through fences. I would hate that. I want privacy in my backyard. I always go out in my camisole and underwear when I'm letting the dogs out in the morning, I shave DH's hair in my underwear, after I bathe my dogs I take off all my wet clothes outside, etc... You get the picture.

I want my backyard as private as my house. It would be a real shock to my system to be on display all the time. Even my front yard has a good deal of privacy. I know it would seem unneighborly and rude to put up a fence but I would have to. And it would have nothing at all to do with my neighbors. If I had kids I would want them to be able to run around in their underwear outside (or naked for that matter) without anyone watching them. If there are no privacy fences that means maybe up to 5 households would be able to see everything that goes on in my backyard? No way!

Teacher Terry

10-15-20, 3:34pm

In Wisconsin many homes didn’t have fences and kids could run around in their bathing suits. I don’t go outside in anything see through.

razz

10-15-20, 4:19pm

When I went house hunting in 2014, I visited a new house in a new development. From the deck all I could see around me were high wooden fences. Two-storey homes peered into single-storey neighbouring houses. I was horrified that anyone could live that way without suffocating. Since then I have seen condo developments with even more barriers and closer together. Talk about living like a sardine in a can!

When I completed the fencing around my little bungalow, I chose 4 foot black chain link in order to ensure ample airflow, visibility of my surroundings and accessibility with no regrets.

Shrubs, flowers and trees provide privacy and, like TT, I don't go outside in anything see through. The dog can enjoy watching the activities happening on the street, rabbits come visiting and guests comment on the openness of the space despite the small yard.

That said, my neighbour in the back has a dog that has bitten people and started snarling at me aggressively biting at the chain link. This spring she decided to erect a 6 foot wooden fence on her side of the existing chain link fence. I was pleased for this to control the dog. She used to have bonfires every evening that were scary in size and many visitors. I had warned her when she first moved in that the airflow would be negatively impacted by a solid wooden fence. She has high fences on each side of her small yard. This summer was really warm, the number of guests were really low on the warm days and the bonfires few. It was just too hot with no air movement, I think.

JaneV2.0

10-15-20, 4:54pm

I've always lived in houses that had wooden fences and/or impenetrable hedges. I never felt the least bit constrained by them. Obviously, you either love 'em or hate 'em.

Alan

10-15-20, 4:55pm

I live on a 3/4 acre lot with the majority of that in the back since the lot is pie shaped at the end of a cul-de-sac. We erected a split rail fence with green wire mesh attached maybe 10 years ago to give our two dogs at the time plenty of room to run and play in the back yard as well as to provide a barrier for the non-existent neighborhood kids who may wander into the pool. Privacy wasn't the issue since the yard is heavily wooded, as are the neighboring yards. In the summer when leaves are on the trees you'd never even know we had neighbors, it's that secluded. So, there are several months each year when Google Earth's cameras may find me sitting in my underwear having coffee in the mornings. I check their satellite view once in a while to see if I've been caught, but so far so good. :cool:

catherine

10-15-20, 5:02pm

Fences in my family are a Rorschach test: I would love a fence--preferably a beautiful wooden one--high enough to keep dogs off-leash and kids safe, but low enough to permit the airflow that razz is talking about--my NJ house had a beautiful view of the public park and I wouldn't want to cut that off, either. I admit I like privacy, and I am definitely introverted.

My DH will never get a fence. He doesn't believe in them. He's an extrovert and occasionally, frankly, has problems with boundaries (literally and figuratively).

But fences may be appropriate in one situation and not in another. DS lives in an urban setting and has 6-foot stockade fencing, and I really like it. Privacy in his situation is needed.

rosarugosa

10-15-20, 6:32pm

I cannot resist:

Mending Wall by Robert Frost
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun;
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of outdoor game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors.'
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offense.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, 'Good fences make good neighbors.'

SteveinMN

10-15-20, 8:13pm

We toyed with the idea of installing little grills at dog level so that our dogs could peer over there and see what’s going on because whoever is living there has always had a dog.
When I replaced the cedar privacy fence at my mom's place, we purposely left out two slats (?); one in the front, so the dog could see the front yard (well, driveway, actually) and one in the back so the dog could at least sniff at its buddy, who lived with the backyard neighbor. Happiness ensued. Now that both of those dogs are gone, we're replaced the slats. But it worked pretty well for that dog.

razz

10-15-20, 9:11pm

I loved that poem by Robert Frost when I first read it years ago. I was reminded of it seeing the thick stone walls in the UK when on a bus tour.

There was an architect who built a tower solely of stones carefully placed as the indigenous population used to do, Mary Colter. It is amazing to see.
https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/photosmultimedia/mary-colter---indian-watchtower.htm

jp1

10-15-20, 9:56pm

Our new backyard has 8 foot solid wood fences on the sides and a 6 foot solid wood fence on the back. Because we're a middle unit townhouse our next door neighbors can look out their 2nd and 3rd bedroom windows into our yard but they are both single people so I doubt they spend a lot of time staring out into our yard. And behind us is a nature park that never gets used. So it's private enough. The neighbors are both nice people though, and we're already on a hello and polite conversation relationship with them so I'm not concerned about privacy. Also, while they're both avid gardeners neither spends time just "hanging out" in their backyards. And there's enough sound insulation between units that we've never heard anything from either side while inside our home which is a pleasant change from pretty much every place I've ever lived. I've not lived anywhere in my adult life with this much space or privacy. I don't need more space inside or out. That would just mean more things to have to maintain.

rosarugosa

10-16-20, 5:26am