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I'm really struggling.
I was placed on antidepressants about 18 months ago. Started putting on weight slowly. About 10 months ago I asked my dr. to prescribe something else as I wasn't doing anything else differently and she agreed it as was probably the meds.
However, with the new meds nothing changed, and I lost my will to try keeping my diet straight. This of course was also the beginning of the quarantine, no gym, but stress, etc. I continued walking miles every day, but nothing has come off. So, I weaned myself off the antidepressants. I know, but don't fret. I'm fine.
But, I am struggling with getting back on track. Too many comfort snacks, eating when I'm not hungry. I got into bad habits and have the mentality of what the hell.
Anyone else? Has the quarantine affected your healthy habits?
I haven't put on weight but not getting outside daily started to affect my blood pressure. After a couple of scary episodes where it rocketed up to crazy levels (190/115) the doc changed up my meds and I started getting out more just to do short walks around the neighborhood. There's a 120 step staircase near us. At a minimum now, everyday I walk over to and up that staircase, the combined total of which my iphone clocks in as 25 flights of stairs. Doing that every day and longer, more strenuous walks on the weekend seems to have gotten things back under control.
I picked up the Dreaded 15 after the first few months, I think it was a combination of the daily baking and the lack of exercise.
I was starting to work on resolving the situation, when I got hit with my first attack of gout (and hopefully the last) in my big toe a couple weeks ago, which reduced my ability to exercise, bother.
I think of it as the COVID20.
I probably have, though I haven't checked. Reeling it back in now.
ApatheticNoMore
8-6-20, 12:49pm
Probably a few, I mean the only place I weighed myself was the gym as I don't own a scale (and it would be more psychologically unhealthy for me to, than it could ever be physically healthy, I do mean that).
It's really not much change, same clothes a little tighter, but I attribute any and muscle loss (which I do have) entirely to not being able to go the gym (though I've walked near daily, done hand weights - which I can't even buy at this point due to shortages (!), body weight exercise such as I could do - it's really hasn't been the same). I didn't get into baking, that always seemed like the road to ruin to me. Ok so one day nothing made sense in a world gone completely mad (day of opening up everything AND riots - ack not good, not good :0!) but baking chocolate chip cookies, but generally. I can tell you how not to be making too many cookies: let someone "borrow" your mixer, such that you are making them by hand, like grandma used to do yes, you'll have to really really want those cookies
I emotionally ate more when going to the office, which is why I don't blame emotional eating, I do it less even though I do suffer emotionally like many do (stats show more despair) in these covid days. But before I'd come home exhausted beyond measure, and just eat, is exhaustion eating emotional eating? I guess I think so. But less exercise and muscle yea that's a problem.
Teacher Terry
8-6-20, 1:24pm
I weigh myself daily and cut back if I creep up. 5 years ago it took me 1 year to lose 40lbs.
I actually lost 5 lbs since June, but I started a program in February that has made me accountable for a lot of personal behaviors. Call it good timing.
I don't think I am gaining - maybe holding steady. I can live with that - LOL.
I picked up the Dreaded 15 after the first few months, I think it was a combination of the daily baking and the lack of exercise.
I was starting to work on resolving the situation, when I got hit with my first attack of gout (and hopefully the last) in my big toe a couple weeks ago, which reduced my ability to exercise, bother.
Ow, Bae, gout is so awful. Feel for ya.
I think of it as the COVID20.
I probably have, though I haven't checked. Reeling it back in now.
Ok Jane...what are your strategies? I need inspiration.
Ow, Bae, gout is so awful. Feel for ya.
I would not recommend getting gout to anyone. It's amazing how simply having your big toe in this condition can debilitate you. On a pain scale of 1-10, this was a consistent 7-9 depending on time of day, and made sleep quite troublesome for days. (Pain level 10 for me is defined by the time I swam into a Portuguese Man of War while night-diving).
I believe I stumbled into the situation from a combination of poor covid diet, and reduced hydration.
I shall be happy if it never reoccurs.
Ok Jane...what are your strategies? I need inspiration.
I'm hardly a good example of anything, but I've settled on intermittent fasting or timed eating, with a side of low carb. That seems to work best for me.
We are finally able to go to our exercise classes. 3 hour long classes until Sept when it will be four. Two are pure cardio and one is strength exercises. That plus the walk to get to and from the gym (not driving a mile) has helped both mental and physical health. Now need to clean out the snacks around the house and not buy more.
I picked up the Dreaded 15 after the first few months, I think it was a combination of the daily baking and the lack of exercise.
I was starting to work on resolving the situation, when I got hit with my first attack of gout (and hopefully the last) in my big toe a couple weeks ago, which reduced my ability to exercise, bother.
I'm so sorry!! I got gout ONCE (thank goodness!) in my mid-20's in my big toe! It had me in tears. I hope it clears up quickly for you!
Teacher Terry
8-6-20, 4:21pm
I had a friend with gout and he was in agony. Get well!
I think my SO used quinine. I don't remember if he was prescribed the usual drug--allopurinol?
I haven't gained weight but it has shifted. I now have a spare tire???? I have not been to the gym and am having trouble exercising by myself. I do walk 4-5 miles per day but know this is not enough.
Sorry to hear about the gout Bae! Hope it goes away SOON.
Definitely carrying a little more weight in my tummy which I attribute to more sugar and alcohol. I'm only up 2 or 3 lbs though.
Ok Jane...what are your strategies? I need inspiration.
For me it works to simply not keep snacks in the house. That mostly worked pre-covid and works even better now because I'm not inclined to risk getting covid by going to the store just to buy something unhealthy. Thankfully I've never really been a snacker, but if I were I'd start keeping fruit or carrot sticks or whatever at home so that it would be the only "snacky" thing around for when I wandered to the fridge looking for something to fill the "I'm eating just to do something" void.
Difficult for me was that I decided to give up caffeine given my blood pressure scare. At first the issue was that I missed the daily energy boost. I'm well past that now, but there is exactly one choice of decaf coffee at our Safeway and I thought it sucked. Finally this week I got to the end of the bag and when using up the remainder I figured out how to make it taste better. Since I was at the end of the bag I just used all the rest of it (probably 50% more than normal) and the resulting coffee tasted great! Now I'm putting six teaspoons in the french press for two medium size cups of coffee. That seems excessive, but it tastes so much better.
I haven't gained weight but it has shifted.
Same here. I thought I'd gained weight, but a recent visit to the doctor (only place I get weighed) shows I'm down five pounds since lockdown. It just doesn't feel that way. I know I've been snacking more but I must have compensated for that in meal portions (eating one egg instead of the usual two, etc.). It certainly hasn't been an increased activity level.
Sorry to hear about the gout Bae! Hope it goes away SOON.
Yes, pretty nasty stuff, that.
there is exactly one choice of decaf coffee at our Safeway and I thought it sucked. Finally this week I got to the end of the bag and when using up the remainder I figured out how to make it taste better.
Alton Brown has a trick that might work, as well -- a little bit of salt in the coffee as it brews. The proportions are on-line; we used 1/8 teaspoon for 48 grams of ground coffee. So maybe just sprinkle a few grains on your French press ground coffee, steep, stir, and taste. It's supposed to counteract bitterness. It never tasted salty. We noticed it has a positive effect on crummy coffee but it doesn't enhance good coffee.
I'm ever the contrarian. I've lost weight. There's no where to go, so I've been spending time in my yard catching up on 20+ years of minimal maintenance and ripping out some invasive persistent weeds, and installing a new flower meadow and redoing some landscaping that I allowed to take over. I've been pretty consistently hitting 100K steps per week. We are also no longer visiting new breweries as a weekend past time and doing all of the sampling and of course no restaurant meals (but we don't do a lot of those anyways). Since I'm no longer working, I'm no longer doing the comfort eating that got me through the day or the reward eating at night for having gotten through a tough day.
I've lost weight too. Partially thanks to trying to avoid public transportation and doing a lot of more running / walking as part of my commute to work.
Also as I was deciding and finally decided to give notice at work my stress levels have decreased (less cravings for sugary snacks in any form available). With prospect of significantly reduced income I am making effort to spend less on food at the same time as trying to stay healthy. So I got back to cooking and baking from scratch and we ended up eating much healthier food over the last couple of months.
Yes due to baking more and buying some fresh bread at local bakeries in the first part of the lockdown. I am trying to support local businesses but had to exclude the bakeries. I love fresh bread!!
Quality ice cream is another temptation that I am avoiding as I take charge of what I put in my mouth again. I do my regular 1 1/2 hour walk with my dog so have been getting enough exercise with the addition of gardening.
COVID19 has robbed me of 10 pounds that I had saved up for a rainy day.
My weight has been creeping up ever since I moved to New Mexico. I am coming up on my moving anniversary; it will have been four years since I took the plunge and came out here. At first the weight gain was due to going to the tavern and drinking a lot more than I was used to, having a much more sedentary job at the gallery than the Wholefoods deli counter, and all the injuries and surgeries and the death of my daughter has brought my weight up about 15 pounds in four years. Sad to say, I am in the worse shape I have been in a very long time. Moving in with my boyfriend has changed my diet (he's a meat & potatoes kind of guy). I certainly don't eat the way I ate when I was single.
Earlier in the spring (pre-lock down) I was going to the gym twice a week and starting to feel really good but then it closed down. That's when I started the intensive yard work and landscaping and was feeling pretty good until my knees and back started really bothering me. It has gone downhill from there in the past two months as I was starting to have balance issues, and have hypotonic pelvic muscles which mean nothing is stable in my pelvic region and the muscles are either moving around so much I can't stay stable or they are spasming because they are too tight. I am currently in physical therapy and am also getting an EMG on my right leg next week which is noticeably weaker. Lately I have been feeling a bit depressed from the constant barrage of aches and pains. It's hard to even take walks (especially on our uneven, gravelly desert terrain) when I can hardly walk. I have been using a cane at times.
Last week there were two instances where my right glut was spasming so much I literally could not stand, let alone walk. At least that has alleviated somewhat with gentle stretching and some painkillers and muscle relaxers.
So what am I going to do about all this? A month ago I stopped eating the nightly ice cream treat; well, I switched to a non-dairy ice cream treat which is really pretty good so I don't miss the real stuff. We are eating decent meals and lots of salads from our garden. The past few weeks I have definitely cut down on the booze which got to be a daily habit during the pandemic. I try to take walks when I am physically able and am about to buy an exercise bike for home. And I am trying to accept that my body is really changing and will never be like it was five years ago, but hopefully better at some point than it is now.
Wow, SiouzQ, first, has it really been four years! Doesn't seem possible. And second, your physical challenges really sound rough. I'm also having trouble accepting my aging body as well. Seems like there's something new more often than before. Don't get me started!
Hopefully the indoor bike is an answer to the muscle stabilization problem you're having. I need to bust my bike out more often, too. I really need a bike rack so I can get out of my area (city) and ride in more interesting places. For me exercise has to be fun or at least interesting.
Curious what kind of non-dairy ice cream you went with.
flowerseverywhere
8-8-20, 9:46am
Read this for motivation
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/health/obesity-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-wellness/index.html
Read this for motivation
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/health/obesity-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-wellness/index.html
Not a motivator for me; I am definitely someone who thrives on positive motivation.
To Kay LR: I have been eating the "So Delicious" cashew milk "ice cream" on a stick. It's 180 calories per bar. I like the fact that it is a definitive amount; no measuring, no guesstimating, no sneaking in an extra smidgen. Sure, it's 180 calories I really don't need but at this point I need to enjoy some things in life.
I have not gained 15 pounds. I gained, then lost some and am now stuck.
I am watching TV more and tend to snack when doing that.
This morning I was able to walk but for the most part it has been too hot and humid. One day I tried exercising to music in an air conditioned room and my son freaked out that the neighbors could hear the music through the thin material on the sides of the A/C, I don't care about him or his social anxiety, etc. He is wound extremely tight and that raises my stress and thus my cortisol levels. Food can also be a comfort, and one of the few pleasures not taken away by the dictator of my state.
I am not eating bad foods at home and do not go out to eat. Sometimes people at work give me unhealthy foods (no I cannot resist cannolis). With time I have gotten better at rejecting carb heavy gifts of produce from my parents' garden. I am not drinking at all, on the theory that if I start I will not want to stop given the stress of the pandemic.
So I don't think it is so much what I am ingesting as my eating habits. With cooler fall weather I should get more active too. But boy is this hard.
With cooler fall weather I should get more active too. But boy is this hard.
This is hard. Since things shut down in March, two of my primary activities went away and it will be some time before either comes back. I lost a chunk of the summer to physical therapy so I could ride my bike and that has gone well but not that well. I don't even get the exercise I used to marching around stores finding what I needed to buy. So, yeah, it's been a challenge. I think we all need to give ourselves a little grace for wherever we are in this.
Jeppy: I'm genuinely curious - what pleasures are you currently being denied by the government? Currently, I feel like I can legally do pretty much anything I would want to do, but there are some things I am opting to avoid since it feels safer to avoid them. Bars and amusement parks are still closed, but I don't tend to frequent those anyway.
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 9:06am
Jeppy: I'm genuinely curious - what pleasures are you currently being denied by the government? Currently, I feel like I can legally do pretty much anything I would want to do, but there are some things I am opting to avoid since it feels safer to avoid them. Bars and amusement parks are still closed, but I don't tend to frequent those anyway.
stuff is closed here - restaurants and bars for indoor dining (don't miss), indoor gyms (do miss). And then there is the fact you wouldn't want to do most of that stuff (and much much more stuff that one is allowed to do) anyway due to there being a ton of covid cases around. So one avoids much much more than is closed, because yes tons of covid, and who wants that? I hate it here for letting covid run wild and ruining everyone's life. It sucks. Newsom can suck my @#$#. California could have not sucked but since we were broke I guess we have to have all the covid in the world (well it also doesn't help that parts of Cali are basically a 3rd world country and the places that have controlled it better probably aren't - 3rd world countries aren't doing that well with covid). And so I mostly stay home.
Oh all socializing with anyone you don't live with is still banned, but I ignore it at this point. Because if sitting outside at a restaurant 6 feet away from others without a mask is ok, why isn't socializing with people outside at distance? I know the answer, but it has nothing to do with public health, it's because one involves money. I do hate our local government more than I can say, their public messaging is inconsistent, they can't even make ads about masks that tell you to cover your nose but pretend the problem is people wearing it over their chin (noone does that inside but the non nose coverers are a problem), they have utterly failed to control covid anyway and have ZERO interest in doing so beyond controlling hospital capacity, schools still can't open and it's because we have a ton of covid, but unlike anywhere else, including place with much better control, they are still banning socializing outside with anyone you don't live with. Oh and the data has been bad.
I like road trips and between resrictions from my state, other states, and my employer can only go to New York, Connecticut, New Hampshire and Massachusetts my home state. I have a three day weekend at the end of the month and had thought of going to Block Island but now the governor has banned travel to Rhode Island without a two week quarantine, not practical given that I have to work for a living. Many places even within the four states are closed or I have to wear a mask which is onerous in the heat.
There are restrictions even in air conditioned places where masks are not as burdensome. Most changing rooms are closed because it is cumbersome for stores to set up appointments, despite the fact that science has increasingly shown the virus is not transmitted on surfaces.
Libraries all remain curbside pickup only, a decision made by local government. Going to the library and being able to browse and to take out as many books as I want not being limited to 5 was a real pleasure for me.
Parking has been curtailed at beaches and some parks. Driving over an hour to get somewhere only to have to turn around and go home because of no parking makes it useless to even try. Fort Tryon State Park in New York City that I want to visit is closed to vehicle traffic altogether. Having to stay in the city so I can take mass transit to get there would add time, expense, and lots of covid exposure. The decision seems entirely backwards to me. You are safest in your own car.
Gatherings of certain sizes have been prohibited so I was not able to hear additional presidential candidates speak, a hobby I picked up last year. Specifically an event with Howie Hawkins I was scheduled to attend was cancelled.
Another thing I would like to do is see Blue Man Group, but theatrical events are not allowed. To me this is something that could be moved outdoors and go on.
Water Wiz water park is closed and is a great way to beat the heat. The virus is not transmitted in water. Water Country is open but half the rides are closed due to staffing shortages. So Water Country is the private sector's failure to recruit. Everything else I mentioned is the result of government restrictions.
ETA I am also not going to state or city pools because there are so many capacity restrictions and I do not want to deprive children of the chance to go because I am taking up one of the few slots.
I'm fairly happily housebound at this point, and though I realize this siege may last awhile--doesn't anyone else feel that this is a temporary situation? (At least it would have been if we lived in a decently-run country.) I don't get the impatience. Unless this is the new normal, it will be over eventually.
I do not think it will be over anytime soon. A vaccine, assuming we get one more months from now, will likely only be 50% effective and not everyone will get it. I thought in March it would be a few weeks, but no such luck. I also think once government gets power it does not want to give it up. Due to the aging of the US population there will be many more health threats and infringing on the liberties of even younger people may well become the norm at a minimum every flu season, five months out of the year.
Teacher Terry
8-9-20, 11:18am
My husband broke his ankle and needs surgery. We told him we were supposed to be in Europe. He said he thinks that the virus will be like the swine flu and gone by next summer.
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 11:21am
Temporary likely so, but we may have been at it for a year at least before then (if we got and distributed (at the discovery isn't even the part that seems most unlikely) a vaccine early 2021). Maybe it takes more time than that, 2-3 years, etc.. Yes I'm FULLY figuring on the U.S. being all 3rd world in doing that too, and being unable to deliver a vaccine, either that or the carnival barker pushing something dangerous and untested. Why should I believe a country that can't get PPE, will be able to get vaccine supplies. I want what the rest of the world is having because they care about their people and will do right by them. I may have to travel to another country to get a decent vaccine, I'd be willing to, only thing is we are banned from entry ... The real hope remains for a decent treatment before then IMO. Some are being studied so it's not impossible.
So it feels like losing years of one's life to it in a way. I don't even go shopping except for food, don't go to any group meetings etc. (some seem to be going on despite the so called ban on all socializing, but who the heck cares it's Not Safe). I just stay at home.
My socially active friends are still taking day trips, having small, distanced, masked gatherings, sitting outdoors to enjoy food and drink, meeting over Zoom, etc. It doesn't look like deprivation to me, but I understand a lot of activities, like sports, are sorely missed.
I'm impressed, Yppej, with how you manage to hang every odious turn life takes on us old folks. We should just all kill ourselves, and get out of your way, amirite?
"Due to the aging of the US population there will be many more health threats and infringing on the liberties of even younger people may well become the norm at a minimum every flu season, five months out of the year."
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 11:41am
My socially active friends are still taking day trips, having small, distanced, masked gatherings, sitting outdoors to enjoy food and drink, meeting over Zoom, etc. It doesn't look like deprivation to me, but I understand a lot of activities, like sports, are sorely missed.
the problem with day trips as my bf pointed out is where do you use the bathroom? A public bathroom? So Unsafe and hard to find. A gas station bathroom? Probably closed anyway and so unsafe. And restaurants are closed and their bathrooms would be unsafe anyway. But what wear diapers? Ha. No it doesn't seem realistic.
I'm impressed, Yppej, with how you manage to hang every odious turn life takes on us old folks. We should just all kill ourselves, and get out of your way, amirite?
the thing is yeppej is not young, so I don't know what it is really all about. I mean I get it one is basically disposable by 40 in U.S. culture, as only youth matters, but it doesn't seem a positive thing.
My socially active friends are still taking day trips, having small, distanced, masked gatherings, sitting outdoors to enjoy food and drink, meeting over Zoom, etc. It doesn't look like deprivation to me, but I understand a lot of activities, like sports, are sorely missed.
I'm impressed, Yppej, with how you manage to hang every odious turn life takes on us old folks. We should just all kill ourselves, and get out of your way, amirite?
"Due to the aging of the US population there will be many more health threats and infringing on the liberties of even younger people may well become the norm at a minimum every flu season, five months out of the year."
Old people don't have to go to work every day and they are the high risk group. So I support an approach like Sweden's with health advisories and people can consider their risk factors and go places at their own risk. I am not opposed to nor do I wish to kill off old people. I am opposed to government restrictions put in place to pander to the most reliable voting demographic.
I don't think anyone's pandering--certainly Trump isn't pandering to old people. Public health experts are trying--with limited success in this country--to starve out the virus and eliminate it. Letting everyone run amok will just assure that it never goes away. Old people aren't the only people suffering and dying with this thing.
If you subtracted out the old people from the death toll it would be so small no one would be calling it a pandemic.
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 12:27pm
Every single day someone without preexisting conditions in the 30-49 year old age group dies of it here. Of course according to the average 21 year old, that is old. I think we need to include middle age (40 and 50s) in the old bracket to make the numbers work the way yeppej thinks they do. I don't think anyone in their 20s would disagree that that is old, it's just very odd for yeppej to, being so ancient themselves.
Here is data from the CDC on covid deaths:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm
"Covid-19 mortality is higher in persons with underlying medical conditions and in those aged greater than or equal to 85 years."
"A majority were aged greater than or equal to 65 years and most had underlying medical conditions."
"79.6% were aged greater than or equal to 65 years."
"Median decedent age was 78 years." In my state the median decedent age is 82.
Since I have to be exposed to the virus anyways at work, I should be able to get some pleasures from my earnings. I stay at a distance from old people including my own parents and they should stay at a distance from me. Go to the special senior shopping hours if you refuse help from others to pick things up for you. But don't take away my rights because you could stay home being retired but don't want to.
But EVERYONE IS AFRAID OF SENIORS, a powerful voting bloc. They will not take away their licenses when they are too old to drive and they will not put in covid restrictions for seniors only. Everyone has to suffer. Children are very low risk but they can't go back to school because elderly teachers and their powerful teachers unions will object. Elderly teachers could retire or if high risk with documentation from a doctor teach virtual classes. Open the schools with homeschooling as an option for families, taught by the high risk teachers.
People can die suddenly in their sleep. It's usually babies less than a year old and called Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Should I not being a baby be forced to sleep on my back when I like to sleep on my side? Should I be compelled to be hooked up to a monitor to make sure I do not die in my sleep? No, because although adults can die in their sleep they are not the demographic at risk of SIDS.
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 12:53pm
I think those stats hide as much as they reveal, I mean the reality of those stats, is people of all ages except the young, with no preexistings dying of it daily, here is what county stats tend to look like on a daily basis:
Of the 50 new deaths reported today, 15 people that passed away were over the age of 80, 19 people who died were between the ages of 65 and 79 years old, 12 people who died were between the ages of 50 and 64 years old, three people who died were between the ages of 30 and 49 years old and one person who died was between the ages of 18 and 29 years old.
And btw I've looked at it every single day and many days don't have anyone in the 18-29 bracket, but they always have some in all brackets following. And this is what it is DAILY with about 2% of the population confirmed infected so far (more probably are and never tested), so a tiny amount with a long long way to go.
I'm back to thinking that, by your standards, everyone over--say 50--should just kindly euthanize themselves so you don't feel thwarted.
You're unlikely to die if you're in the 18-29 bracket, but there are certainly those who suffer--like the 18-year old who required a double lung transplant and others.
This isn't the flu. I have no fear of that. This is a serious, highly contagious infection that can kill you in myriad ways, or seriously compromise your life. Dialysis, anyone? And if we keep f-ing around, it's going to be with us for a long time. You can apparently get it repeatedly. Is that the future you want?
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 1:36pm
Right I have no fear of the flu, deaths and disabilities for that under 65 or maybe much older but I know the flu shot is strongly recommended at a certain age and merely recommended before then, really are tiny. I got a flu shot cause I don't enjoy being sick and people kept talking about getting sick again and again in the office, and I was like, what is this a petri dish? Everyone coming in sick and spreading?
I fear disability from covid though, more than death, what if I'm unable to work again, would be catastrophic. I mean being disabled and not having to work and just collecting a disability check, might sound good, but I suspect the reality is no good at all.
I want herd immunity, which in the absence of a vaccine - which as with HIV we may never have - is best achieved by low risk people going about their lives, getting exposed, and developing immunity. With other illnesses we do not make immune compromised people get their childhood vaccines. Those of us who are healthy take on the risks of immunization for them and the rest of the herd. I am happy to be working and would like to be fully out and about taking on risks as a benefit to the public. I am under 60, have no underlying health conditions, am female and am white, all factors that make me much less susceptible to a serious outcome from covid. If I should not be doing essential work, and doing errands, and putting money into the economy, who should? High risk people?
We don't have herd immunity from that old standby coronavirus, the common cold, and there's no sign we ever will have. Food for thought.
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 1:58pm
We don't have herd immunity from that old standby coronavirus, the common cold, and there's no sign we ever will have. Food for thought.
Supposedly this corona virus does not mutate much which is why a vaccine might work. But herd immunity is likely an illusion UNLESS the few (and it's a minority) who assume it happens at much lower rates of the population are right (I mean if it really truly happened at 20% then maybe, but if it takes 60-70-80%, we will have a safe effective well tested vaccine BEFORE then - or at least most of the world will, like I said the U.S. can screw that up too). I mean the rate of infection is simply such that it will take years and years to get to herd immunity otherwise, and if the rate was greater you risk overwhelming hospitals with unnecessary deaths. Yeppej has always been off on this illusion of herd immunity, but unless it's achieved at very low rates, it takes years and years unless you totally blow through your hospital capacity, so is the goal overwhelm the hospitals or what? Yeppej might as well just come out and say "I want hospitals to be overwhelmed so they can't possibly even save those who could be saved with the medical care we otherwise have now".
Almost no diseases have been eradicated via such herd immunity, by vaccines yes, not otherwise. Meanwhile if this thing does cause a lot of long term disabilities, and sure there is evidence of it, we're going to have a MASSIVE number of disabled people to take care of in the U.S..
We don't have herd immunity from that old standby coronavirus, the common cold, and there's no sign we ever will have. Food for thought.
People are being successfully treated with plasma from recovered covid patients, which indicates immunity is possible, most likely for a season or year or so.
Now we see why we can't have nice things.
Teacher Terry
8-9-20, 3:04pm
Long term disability will be costly in other ways besides just financial. We know a family of 5 ages 18-70 that got sick in March and still aren’t well. Once schools open you will see death in all ages.
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-20, 3:10pm
BTW it's questionable if even Sweden, not that I'm going to bat for them, is as "let it rip" as yeppej and the stereotype pretends. Sweden has urged work from home. It also urges people to avoid public transit. If this is happening in large numbers this has to have an effect on the number of cases, so even Sweden isn't rushing to "herd immunity" as fast as possible.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-30/sweden-says-work-from-home-this-fall-even-as-virus-data-improves
rosarugosa
8-10-20, 8:12am
As far as bathrooms go, you can plan your day trips around grocery store proximity. They are open and they have bathrooms. :)
Jeppy: A couple of local day trip suggestions would be Tower Hill Botanic Gardens and Garden in the Woods.
My biggest Covid regret has been the cancelled carpentry class this past April and I'm assuming there won't be any classes this fall either. I've been trying to focus on things I can do instead of regretting those that I can't though.
I don't need much in the way of clothes, but LL Bean has free shipping in both directions if you have their credit card and DH & I both really like LL Bean. I agree that the inability to try on clothes would be problematic for me if I was on the hunt for something that's a challenging fit like pants or bras.
RR I have been to both those places and enjoyed them, but like to go new places. I may try outdoor dining at some restaurants I have not been to before.
I always love seeing how these threads evolve. This from first asking about weight gain.
happystuff
8-11-20, 7:30am
The conversations certainly twist and turn at times. LOL. Back to the original topic - I finally stepped on a scale and I'm actually down a couple pounds. May be the motivation I need to keep at it.
Teacher Terry
8-11-20, 5:50pm
Weighed myself this morning and down 3 lbs in 5 days. I am surprised.
rosarugosa
8-11-20, 6:28pm
Good work Happy and TT!
It is easier with gardening, walking the dog and no snacks to get back down in weight. Not there yet but better as I become more conscious of my choices. I just have to leave breads and baking out of my kitchen unless I can give them away. I stopped eating so much cheese for snacks as well.
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