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Here is the couple Iris Lilies wrote about appearing in the "Lead in Crisis" ad. The words mass shootings appear on the screen under them. I was surprised.
https://youtu.be/mIF9ActS1Hw
The power of suggestion is a huge influence over some people. I'll bet he's hoping all potential voters watch cable news.
iris lilies
8-7-20, 10:21pm
Ah the McCloskeys. Annoying dweebs they are.
Our illustrious city attorney has skipped right over all the backlog cases of homicides rapes etc. that she is unable to act on due to lack of will and incompetence and she has charged the McCloskeys with illegal use of weapons. I’m so glad she has her priorities in order. Not. All these people deserve one another.
Our State’s attorney general has gotten involved by taking court action to overturn whatever charge our city attorney has entered. He says our state’s Castle Doctrine covers what the McCloskey’s did when they stood on their own property pointing weapons at the milling crowd.
iris lilies
8-7-20, 10:40pm
Meanwhile as the Mc.closkeys do their dance with our city attorney, we had a fun little event in my neighborhood yesterday. A young man was sitting outside at table on a beautiful day on his front sidewalk, cleaning his gun. This was reported on Nextdoor as he was doing it, with a photo of him and a cautionary note that people should not walk by in case he escalates his actions.
There was the usual Twaddle from people who don’t know anything about guns, and that would include me of course but I didn’t post; it was called an assault rifle, an automatic weapon, and etc. A military guy posted say it’s not an automatic weapon it’s a semi automatic and It’s been modified someone else suggested.
None of this really matters, right? There’s nothing wrong with sitting outside on a beautiful day cleaning your gun. But because someone was creeped out by that, they called the cops. The cops came to investigate and left. We can assume the gun is owned legally.
Then someone reported the post as racist and discriminatory, and that’s when I had to become involved because I am a Nextdoor moderator. I really had to debate this one because it is a racist and discriminatory post, but the thread actually had some pretty useful commentary. Posters were reminding everyone that it’s a guy’s right to sit outside and clean his gun. There was pretty respectful dialogue. So I decided to leave the post up because of the dialogue, and I told the guy who reported it why I decided to leave it up.
Within an hour it had been zapped by Nextdoor Central tho, so it disappeared from the feed.
What is most interesting about this case is there so much, so very very much background and context. The young man is a neighborhood kid who grew up here. He was, most likely, cleaning his gun as a gesture of defiance. He walks his dog with a gun strapped to his chest, intimidating for many who run into him. He has a handful of muscle cars, new purchases for him, and races them around our park. He has friends who are rather unsavory staying with him There is a video circulating of him and a roommate playing with a gun in a car.
He is a recent member of the national guard.
He’s always speeding around and he has lost his license to drive. But that doesn’t stop him from driving, he still drives. He failed to show up at a court hearing last week.
He lives in a $400,000 house that his mother left to him when she died a few months ago. She was a physician.
everyone on that street is very angry and tired of the incredible noise his cars make when he races them around. That activity is attracting other racers. Our neighborhood safety committee, our neighborhood police officer, and our city alderman are working on this situation. I see the police officers have been instructed to have very limited contact due to COVID-19, so they are not have a normal interactions and besides our Police Department is traumatized by recent writing, as well as decimated ranks due to retirements and open positions.
All the criminals know of course the status of the police department. I’m a size anyone hauled in on charges just gets released because their city attorney is unwilling to prosecute anyone.
Always fun and games in St. Louis and the McCloskeys arent the only ones intimidating People with guns.
Teacher Terry
8-8-20, 12:22am
This kind of stuff makes my head hurt. My ex had hunting guns and never cleaned them outside. My step son is military and he doesn’t either. It’s strictly being done to intimidate people. The old couple does the same with lawsuits, etc. I am surprised someone hasn’t gotten even with them.
ToomuchStuff
8-11-20, 2:31pm
Seen them cleaned outside when on hunting property (small cabin), but in general, people don't like to clean outside due to a couple reasons:
1. It lets people know you have them (you become a target)
2. When your gun is apart, it looks like your disarmed.
No explanation why this post was racist by the OP, was the cleaner, human?
I often clean firearms outside, as it keeps the smells of the volatile chemicals out of my house, and keeps the mess outside as well.
I don't do it in the front yard while waving at neighbors though.
I also don't know why anyone would assume a firearm disassembled for repair in front of me would mean I was "disarmed" :-)
I often clean firearms outside, as it keeps the smells of the volatile chemicals out of my house, and keeps the mess outside as well.
I do as well, and for the same reason, although I do it on my back deck. I've noticed that some folks set up their BBQ grills and lawn chairs in their front drive too, I don't quite understand it but don't hold it against them. Maybe they just consider it a safe and comfortable space and perhaps enjoy seeing and greeting their neighbors while working.
happystuff
8-12-20, 8:52am
Guns aside - if he is driving illegally and violating speeding laws while do so AND missed a court date - all which seems very blatant by your description - , why isn't there a warrant out for his arrest and why hasn't he been picked up already?
iris lilies
8-12-20, 1:12pm
Guns aside - if he is driving illegally and violating speeding laws while do so AND missed a court date - all which seems very blatant by your description - , why isn't there a warrant out for his arrest and why hasn't he been picked up already?
You dont understand how things work in St. Louis. Of course there’s a warrant out for his arrest!. There’s a warrant out for the arrest of about a 10th of the people I meet on the street every day.
My next door neighbor has, for instance, a warrant on him for missing court dates about building violations. Our neighborhood has a “ problem properties” volunteer committee dealing with him and others and they may actually have him picked up. We will work with our local police officer on it since she said she was willing to pay him a visit if I would tell her when he was home. But that was all before COVID-19, so all of that has stopped for the moment.
But what really is the point of picking him up? Not really much point.Going to jail doesn’t make him do anything, and besides they’re probably not gonna keep him in jail except possibly overnight anyway.
In order for laws to have meaning, the society governed by the laws has to respect the laws. Doesn’t happen in St. Louis And this was the climate even before our no good very bad city prosecutor who doesn’t do squat.
happystuff
8-12-20, 1:49pm
In order for laws to have meaning, the society governed by the laws has to respect the laws. Doesn’t happen in St. Louis And this was the climate even before our no good very bad city prosecutor who doesn’t do squat.
And in order to have meaning, they must also be enforced.
On a side note, I'm amazed how many people get to keep the jobs that they either don't do and/or do poorly. But, as with most things, I am thinking it, in some way, comes down to "money talks".
iris lilies
8-12-20, 3:55pm
And in order to have meaning, they must also be enforced.
On a side note, I'm amazed how many people get to keep the jobs that they either don't do and/or do poorly. But, as with most things, I am thinking it, in some way, comes down to "money talks".
I think that better than 50% of our population honestly and sincerely think these are bogus laws they shouldnt have to follow, that don’t apply to them. Pretty much The Man trying to keep them down. Some of the bureaucrats we elect and the hired guns think the same way. That thought process came to a head as the Ferguson Effect and now it’s pretty much the standard.
Back when we had a dedicated community cop, I talked to him about a neighbor down the block who
1) Had outdated paper plates on his wreck of a car
2) Regularly parked right by the fire hydrant, blocking it from any potential use. He also parked with his car facing the wrong way although I’m not sure that’s against any ordinance.
This officer said he’d be happy to issue a warning ticket but he didn’t want to issue an actual ticket for plate violations or hydrant violation because the guy probably didn’t have any money, judging by his beat up car, and he would just engender a fine that he might not be able to pay and then Court dates and warrants follow, Just wrapping this young guy’s life. Anyway I thought it was nice and caring of the cop, and was surprised to see that that is probably the approach they are taught because what is the point of issuing all the citations that go nowhere?
Within two years, coincidentally, the building by the fire hydrant caught fire and it was a three alarm fire that Drew trucks from all over the city. No one including pets were hurt in the fire but it was completely gutted. And yeah they did have to use that fire hydrant but the guy wasn’t parking there that day. I think he had moved by then.
To be fair, there are laws I break regularly. Speeding laws, although I am careful in the city and I drive mostly in the city. I get a parking ticket every couple of years, but I do pay it promptly. For years we had an excess of pets according to city code, etc.
I will say this though for DH and I: we have no cases against our name in the Missouri Casenet database (Records of court actions) and we’ve lived here for 32 years. Almost everyone we know, when I am idley looking them up, has been in court.
Someone offered me baby chicks and I was tempted though it is against zoning laws. My "criminal" neighbors have chickens which I like. Some laws are just stupid overreach.
Within two years, coincidentally, the building by the fire hydrant caught fire and it was a three alarm fire that Drew trucks from all over the city. No one including pets were hurt in the fire but it was completely gutted. And yeah they did have to use that fire hydrant but the guy wasn’t parking there that day. I think he had moved by then.
If I arrive on-scene to a fire, and the hydrant is blocked by a vehicle, that vehicle will be out of the way in short order. It may not be in one piece at that point however.
iris lilies
8-13-20, 11:09am
If I arrive on-scene to a fire, and the hydrant is blocked by a vehicle, that vehicle will be out of the way in short order. It may not be in one piece at that point however.
I asked DH about that. He said the firemen would just break windows of the car and string the hose through it. But likely they would also call a tow truck to remove the offending vehicle.
iris lilies
8-13-20, 11:13am
Someone offered me baby chicks and I was tempted though it is against zoning laws. My "criminal" neighbors have chickens which I like. Some laws are just stupid overreach.
There is a guy on the Mr. Money Mustache forums who has a little farmette on a typical town lot. He had a huge number of rabbits, something like 25. He raises rabbits for meat. He was all whiney when his city took him to task for exceeding the animal limit which was something like 6. I mean, it’s not like he was 10% over the limit. He was over by a large factor.
And he single-mindedly pursued the city Council to change their mind for his special snowflake status. They did not see his specialness.
Teacher Terry
8-13-20, 12:17pm
IL, he lives in the heart of Milwaukee and imagine how the neighborhood would smell if everyone was doing that. Ugh!
iris lilies
8-13-20, 2:39pm
IL, he lives in the heart of Milwaukee and imagine how the neighborhood would smell if everyone was doing that. Ugh!
I think he is clueless. He claims his neighbors have no problem with his huge number of rabbits. I just looked it up ...he had 70 rabbits last April Although apparently many of them are tiny. I think he said he’s allowed 2 or 3 does But he has a few more than that producing babies. Anyway, he is fooling himself, too many neighbors will not talk to him directly but will call anonymously to complain.
Teacher Terry
8-13-20, 3:51pm
My dad hunted rabbits and really you can only eat so many.
I think he is clueless. He claims his neighbors have no problem with his huge number of rabbits. I just looked it up ...he had 70 rabbits last April Although apparently many of them are tiny. I think he said he’s allowed 2 or 3 does But he has a few more than that producing babies. Anyway, he is fooling himself, too many neighbors will not talk to him directly but will call anonymously to complain.
Before he had something like 25. Now he's got 70. I guess there really is something to the phrase "breeding like rabbits". I guess he's not going to go hungry anytime soon... And I'm glad I'm not his neighbor, although I'd also not especially want to have a neighbor with a loud barky dog that spends too much time alone and frustrated outside. Thankfully that's not typically a problem in dense urban areas, at least in my experience.
ToomuchStuff
8-13-20, 11:53pm
IL, he lives in the heart of Milwaukee and imagine how the neighborhood would smell if everyone was doing that. Ugh!
Years ago, a neighbor redid his entire yard after taking out some tree's and fixing the city storm sewer drain. He fertilized the back yard with rabbit manure. Two things happened. Every time it rained, you would smell that (for at least three years after it). Also, his yard would grow like you wouldn't believe.
It's more than 15 minutes of fame now. The McCloskeys will be appearing the Republican National Convention tonight.
happystuff
8-24-20, 7:16pm
It's more than 15 minutes of fame now. The McCloskeys will be appearing the Republican National Convention tonight.
ROFLOL!!
It's more than 15 minutes of fame now. The McCloskeys will be appearing the Republican National Convention tonight.
I think they're there to highlight the difference between a Democrat politician such as Lori Lightfoot in Chicago ordering armed police to stand guard over her neighborhood to keep protesters out because "I'm entitled to be safe in my home" and a Republican couple who had to do it themselves and have been continuously excoriated in the media and face criminal charges to boot. It makes for a compelling juxtaposition.
happystuff
8-24-20, 7:26pm
I think they're there to highlight the difference between a Democrat politician such as Lori Lightfoot in Chicago ordering armed police to stand guard over her neighborhood to keep protesters out because "I'm entitled to be safe in my home" and a Republican couple who had to do it themselves and have been continuously excoriated in the media and face criminal charges to boot. It makes for a compelling juxtaposition.
Hmmm... or it could be the Orange Man trying to exploit their 15 minutes of fame. LOL
I’m watching the RNC even though I’m clearly in the camp of the DNC.
My thoughts:
I wish the one and only woman in the circle of rescued hostages could have spoken for herself. She was the only one who didn’t speak.
I wish a Trump Jr. would say “PPE” instead of “P, P, and E”. And boy was he angry ...
I was surprised that Nikki Haley identifies as brown. I did some googling on that.
I’m a little weirded out by half of the keynote speakers being named Trump. Feels like a monarchy.
There was a comment that “socialism has failed everywhere”. They just dissed all of Scandinavia and half of Western Europe.
And the one who said there is no racism in America. Wow.
catherine
8-24-20, 11:26pm
My dad hunted rabbits and really you can only eat so many.
One of DD's BF said that you die if you only eat rabbit meat because it is so lean.
Tammy, yes, I'm sure you learned that Nikki Haley is of Indian (Sikh) descent.
Tammy, it was obviously an appeal to his base. Fox News will pronounce it a win because they didn’t make total asses of themselves. The rest of the country will be less convinced. And if this was the best Nicki Haley is capable of my pronouncement a year ago that the Republican Party is failed is definitely true.
And I’m still curious how they are going to make America great again after they already did it once... but I guess they don’t expect their base to engage in that kind of logic.
One of DD's BF said that you die if you only eat rabbit meat because it is so lean.
Jack spratt would’ve been ok with that diet. His wife, not so much.
iris lilies
8-25-20, 9:46am
I’m watching the RNC even though I’m clearly in the camp of the DNC.
My thoughts:
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I’m a little weirded out by half of the keynote speakers being named Trump. Feels like a monarchy.
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Takes us right back to the glory days of the Kennedy Democrat era. And don’t say but they were all elected, because they weren’t. And Joe Sr was the kingmaker.
iris lilies
8-25-20, 9:55am
I think they're there to highlight the difference between a Democrat politician such as Lori Lightfoot in Chicago ordering armed police to stand guard over her neighborhood to keep protesters out because "I'm entitled to be safe in my home" and a Republican couple who had to do it themselves and have been continuously excoriated in the media and face criminal charges to boot. It makes for a compelling juxtaposition.
this is outrageous. I had to go out and look this up to see if this clueless Chicago mayor actually said this. And she did. Jesus God you cannot make this stuff up.
Normally I am bored with back-and-forth escalation about whatever hypocrisy of the moment Is being performed by which side, but this is stunning.Even our own mayor, Lyda Krewson,* hasn’t come out with such stupidity.
So Chicago mayor Lori doesn’t want protesters at her home and on her block, and she uses Chicago police by the dozens to protect her. Alrighty then.
*My dictation program is hilarious! When I said LYda Krewson it printed “lotta cursing” which isn’t that far off.
It's more than 15 minutes of fame now. The McCloskeys will be appearing the Republican National Convention tonight.
The meme going around is "Last night, the GOP convention had speakers whose sole qualification is that they waved guns at black people."
Comparing Donnie Trump to Robert F Kennedy makes it glaringly obvious that we've devolved.
But I'm no real fan of political dynasties in this country, even if I did vote for both Clintons.
I don’t see how RFK got to be such a plaster saint. He and his brother weaponized the IRS on a large scale, and the guy wiretapped MLK for God’s sake.
I don’t see how RFK got to be such a plaster saint. He and his brother weaponized the IRS on a large scale, and the guy wiretapped MLK for God’s sake.Many folks confuse Mordor and Camelot, I think because Merlin and Gandalf both wore pointy hats.
early morning
8-25-20, 5:05pm
Politicians always seem to be better people when they are dead, don't you think? It's easier to overlook the bad and remember the good. As with people in general. And only the good die young, right?
Apparently, the lovely couple has quite a history: https://forward.com/news/national/453183/the-rabbi-who-is-neighbor-to-mark-and-patricia-mccloskey-speaks-out-they/?fbclid=IwAR1yoGftecl76XU1hbOKlEt027P9dGQUqa_i4FnD tr0yk9KzZ4XNLTCkLBI
frugal-one
8-25-20, 5:25pm
I’m watching the RNC even though I’m clearly in the camp of the DNC.
My thoughts:
I wish the one and only woman in the circle of rescued hostages could have spoken for herself. She was the only one who didn’t speak.
I wish a Trump Jr. would say “PPE” instead of “P, P, and E”. And boy was he angry ...
I was surprised that Nikki Haley identifies as brown. I did some googling on that.
I’m a little weirded out by half of the keynote speakers being named Trump. Feels like a monarchy.
There was a comment that “socialism has failed everywhere”. They just dissed all of Scandinavia and half of Western Europe.
And the one who said there is no racism in America. Wow.
I tried to watch but was TOTALLY turned off when Don Jr's girlfriend stood there SCREAMING. Shows the quality of people.....
While watching the RNC convention, I was struck with the eerie Stepford Wives/Invasion Of The Body Snatchers demeanor of some of the speakers.
This is a very different convention than the 2012 process that I participated in as a Republican operative. And that one was bad enough that I turned in my Republican card afterwards.
I don't think Nikki Haley did herself any favors. IMO, she should keep a low profile until Trump is history.
iris lilies
8-25-20, 9:01pm
Apparently, the lovely couple has quite a history: https://forward.com/news/national/453183/the-rabbi-who-is-neighbor-to-mark-and-patricia-mccloskey-speaks-out-they/?fbclid=IwAR1yoGftecl76XU1hbOKlEt027P9dGQUqa_i4FnD tr0yk9KzZ4XNLTCkLBI
McCloskeys are annoying assholes, but I wouldn’t use this chapter in their lives to highlight their unneighborliness. When you put a bunch of beehives out and about you’re supposed to talk to your neighbors in contiguous properties. mcCloskeys would’ve said no if Rabbi Susan had done that, and She could have saved herself a lot of trouble. my guess is that the adults who put up the beehives knew the McCloskeys Would not like it.
I am not moved by wailing and gnashing of teeth for the benefit of the children.
But make no mistake, McCloskeys have done some crazed and underhanded things I just didn’t think this was the most egregious.
Not that it is relevant, but I have been to a bar mitzvah officiated by Rabbi Susan.
I suppose having people who do crazed and underhanded things speak at their convention is right in line with the republican style these days.
McCloskeys are annoying assholes, but I wouldn’t use this chapter in their lives to highlight their unneighborliness. When you put a bunch of beehives out and about you’re supposed to talk to your neighbors in contiguous properties. mcCloskeys would’ve said no if Rabbi Susan had done that, and She could have saved herself a lot of trouble. my guess is that the adults who put up the beehives knew the McCloskeys Would not like it.
I am not moved by wailing and gnashing of teeth for the benefit of the children.
But make no mistake, McCloskeys have done some crazed and underhanded things I just didn’t think this was the most egregious.
Not that it is relevant, but I have been to a bar mitzvah officiated by Rabbi Susan.
If I had an idea what kind of people the McCloskeys were, I certainly wouldn't put situate any living creatures in their vicinity, that's for sure. Why they couldn't have spoken up before the poor honey bees were installed, or why the Rabbi couldn't have asked, I can't fathom.
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