View Full Version : Trump basically announces he's defunding Social Security and the Post Office.
His recent executive orders have no plan and no teeth behind them. I hope all employers just ignore his idea, already declined by Congress, to defer the payroll tax, which helps fund Social Security and Medicare. Now he's come right out and plainly said he will refuse any funding to the U.S. Post Office to help them continue their agency. I don't agree with this, since many people get needed medications, and also goods they need (especially in rural areas) through the USPS. Especially right now, with mail-in ballots expected to surge for the November election, is the wrong time to do this. And Trump has blatantly announced he'll veto funding specifically to quash mail-in voting. I can't believe Americans aren't more upset about Social Security and the USPS. November can't come soon enough for me.
Teacher Terry
8-13-20, 3:55pm
He needs to be stopped but the republicans are all afraid of him.
So much for our often-touted system of checks and balanced. We have a tyrant running amok, and we can do nothing to stop him.
So much for our often-touted system of checks and balanced. We have a tyrant running amok, and we can do nothing to stop him.Sure we can, the Congress still has authority for what programs or services are funded or not and those representatives are closer to their individual districts wishes, hold their feet to the fire. Plus, there's an election coming up in a few months.
I am so not happy about the USPS thing. I’m a huge letter writer. Don’t eff with my mail.
I am so not happy about the USPS thing. I’m a huge letter writer. Don’t eff with my mail.
Or bills, or medications, or checks, or ballots...
Or court documents or tax documents.
Not to mention that first class letter price is a smoking hot deal. No private corporation is going to be willing to deliver a one ounce letter anywhere in the US for the price of a stamp.
Not to mention that the post office provides millions of good stable middle class jobs.
Did Trump dissolve the Post Office by cutting off all funding or did he suggest blocking the extra funding the Democrats have requested? If it's the second option I don't believe that will stop our postcards and other mail, will it?
The issue with the post office also includes the recent actions by the postmaster general. Not just trump’s latest failed figurehead actions.
Apparently his corrupt postmaster general is having sorting machines removed in order to slow down the mail. Sadly this will probably surprise approximately no one. And this is also one part of how he is trying to sow doubt about the upcoming election that he is currently likely to lose. We can all imagine the sad bleating that we will almost certainly hear on election night. ‘Record numbers of people voted by the untrustworthy mail this election. The postmaster general, a very honest man by the way, says it may be weeks before all the ballots get delivered. States are saying it could be even longer before they count them all. And who knows if we can even trust them.’
A president undermining confidence in one of the most important and long lasting of all our governmental institutions. Breathtaking. If there was ever a more unamerican president I’d love to have someone explain it to me.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2020/8/12/1968839/-Postal-Union-President-Sorting-machines-being-taken-from-post-offices-Sabotage-continues
My state has had mail-in voting for many years. The local news had a few interesting statistics. Less than 10% of people voted at polling stations and two thirds of the ballots were returned not by the post office, but by drop-off boxes located around the cities. It has never caused any problems and is far more convenient. I suspect with all the haggling delays it would be hard to gear up systems for mail ins by Nov., but the drop boxes partially solve the concerns about overwhelming the post office for timely returns.
I have vague recollections of the last time I voted at a polling station. There was an early snow storm that messed up the streets, plus a rush to get to the polling station after work. I don't understand why it is not more common if the issue is to have as many people vote as possible.
The issue among many Republicans is not to have as many people vote as possible, though. Thus the many voter suppression tactics from poll taxes to limited polling places in poorer neighborhoods (or in some cases, none) to draconian ID schemes to culling voting rolls for spurious reasons.
happystuff
8-14-20, 10:03am
The issue among many Republicans is not to have as many people vote as possible, though. Thus the many voter suppression tactics from poll taxes to limited polling places in poorer neighborhoods (or in some cases, none) to draconian ID schemes to culling voting rolls for spurious reasons.
Agreed. And a reminder... Trump did NOT WIN by popular vote to become president. It will be interesting to see what happens this time around.
Mail-in ballots was the thing I was most amazed about after moving to Colorado. No more standing in line for an hour at my Texas precinct site which happened to be a funeral home. There are drop-off boxes at the library which is a double plus.
With Trump's henchman, deJoy, f-ing with the post office, we all have to make sure to return our ballots as quickly as possible.
Republicans shutting down polling places in majority Democrat areas, 2020-style.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/512005-usps-mailboxes-removed-in-oregon-cities-as-officials-cite-declining
Republicans shutting down polling places in majority Democrat areas, 2020-style.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/512005-usps-mailboxes-removed-in-oregon-cities-as-officials-cite-decliningReplacing mail drop off boxes with higher security ones, what a devious ploy! Could those Republicans running the Postal Service be more obvious?
Replacing mail drop off boxes with higher security ones, what a devious ploy! Could those Republicans running the Postal Service be more obvious?
I wonder when these new boxes will be installed? Probably sometime around November 4th. If this was an honest effort to provide better boxes they wouldn't be removing the old ones until they were ready to install the new ones.
I wonder when these new boxes will be installed? Your story didn't say, but in my experience removing the old before replacing with new seems like a logical sequence of events.
Your story didn't say, but in my experience removing the old before replacing with new seems like a logical sequence of events.
True. Although in my experience the two tend to happen in rapid sequence. A recent example in my life is the day they removed the old washing machine and then installed the new one.
True. Although in my experience the two tend to happen in rapid sequence. A recent example in my life is the day they removed the old washing machine and then installed the new one.Yep, same with my recent replacement of my central air unit and furnace. Unfortunately, in your linked story any talk of removal/replacement schedules would have probably ruined the innuendo and dampened its outrage potential. These sites know how to hook their audience don't they?
iris lilies
8-14-20, 6:23pm
Or court documents or tax documents.
Not to mention that first class letter price is a smoking hot deal. No private corporation is going to be willing to deliver a one ounce letter anywhere in the US for the price of a stamp.
Not to mention that the post office provides millions of good stable middle class jobs.
I’ve been waiting for two letters that should’ve been here last Monday. If I’m honest, I can’t say for sure that this delay is due to the post office. Maybe the senders who said they would get them in the mail soon in fact have not gotten them in the mail.
But consider the fact that the US post office has a monopoly on first class mail and outside Delivery services cannot send it. Perhaps some of us would be happy to pay a $1.00 or $1.50 for first class mail rather than the $.38 or whatever it is and have it delivered promptly.
My checks, which I mail out, have cleared later. I found out employees at lockboxes are scared to open the mail and are letting it sit a few days before they process it, despite the fact that transmission of coronavirus via surfaces has been largely debunked.
Teacher Terry
8-14-20, 6:34pm
Sure many of us would have no problem paying for private mail delivery. Private services wouldn’t cover rural areas and poor people have limited money.
I would be happy if the USPS were run like the government service it was meant to be and not framed as a potential profit-making entity. Whenever profit motives are injected into the commons, they come out the worse for it.
The Postal Service serves everyone even those of us in rural areas...unlike the telecommunication systems that are profit oriented and private- denying internet access and phone service to rural areas. In our county Comcast has the cable contract and refuses to supply lines to rural areas- they must depend on satellite-not great with hills and woods or nothing. Cell service is miserable. So defunding the post office, shutting down fast sorting machines WHY? They are already installed, why are they a liability that needs shutting down? Perhaps in the big cities they just don't want the mail to go through. Congress needs to step up! McConnell needs to grow up!
catherine
8-15-20, 11:40am
I’ve been waiting for two letters that should’ve been here last Monday. If I’m honest, I can’t say for sure that this delay is due to the post office. Maybe the senders who said they would get them in the mail soon in fact have not gotten them in the mail.
But consider the fact that the US post office has a monopoly on first class mail and outside Delivery services cannot send it. Perhaps some of us would be happy to pay a $1.00 or $1.50 for first class mail rather than the $.38 or whatever it is and have it delivered promptly.
Maybe it's my Pollyanna tendencies but I have always been amazed at how well the USPS actually works. I think it's pretty quick, and I think I could count on one hand the number of times something I sent got lost in the mail.
I would much rather keep it a Federal service as opposed to getting the profit motive involved--I can see the Citibank postage stamps now. No thanks.
But consider the fact that the US post office has a monopoly on first class mail and outside Delivery services cannot send it. Perhaps some of us would be happy to pay a $1.00 or $1.50 for first class mail rather than the $.38 or whatever it is and have it delivered promptly.
No outside delivery service is going to be willing to deliver to every address in the US, 5 days a week for $.55/letter. They would only want the lucrative urban and suburban parts of the country.
iris lilies
8-15-20, 12:08pm
Maybe it's my Pollyanna tendencies but I have always been amazed at how well the USPS actually works. I think it's pretty quick, and I think I could count on one hand the number of times something I sent got lost in the mail.
I would much rather keep it a Federal service as opposed to getting the profit motive involved--I can see the Citibank postage stamps now. No thanks.
I actually don’t have huge complaints about our postal delivery service. On Nextdoor it is a constant discussion point, but we had the same postman for 30 years. We loved him. Now he retired and we have different people on our route and I never know who’s delivering mail.
iris lilies
8-15-20, 12:12pm
No outside delivery service is going to be willing to deliver to every address in the US, 5 days a week for $.55/letter. They would only want the lucrative urban and suburban parts of the country.
So, let me have the option in my urban core. Give me some damn choice.
It’s like Canadian healthcare. You will take the product Nanny G offers. If the product works for you, great! If the product doesn’t work for you, too bad because it’s your product like it or lump it.
At least in the UK You can pay those Harley street private physicians for health care.
So, let me have the option in my urban core. Give me some damn choice.
It’s like Canadian healthcare. You will take the product Nanny G offers. If the product works for you, great! If the product doesn’t work for you, too bad because it’s your product like it or lump it.
At least in the UK You can pay those Harley street private physicians for health care.
So you're fine with the post office failing and leaving rural communities with no service? Your plan would simply drain the profitable part of the business into private hands who would charge you more, leaving the least profitable part to the post office.
You currently have alternatives. Fedex will happily take your letter and deliver it somewhere. It will just cost a bit more. But, hey. Freedom!
So apparently the post office got enough heat from enough people that they are backing off on the mailbox removal part of this year's republican election sabotage. I wonder what they will think of next? Mysterious fires in large urban mail sorting facilities in late October? Perhaps the republican's watergate crew want to be repurposed as arsonists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/14/people-are-freaking-out-about-mailbox-removals-postal-service-says-its-routine/?fbclid=IwAR3jqsP2PnbZqwMK0mw4avRg3E7ZqhD9SbphEu9E OoBBAIABgMXox1UZVAU#comments-wrapper
So apparently the post office got enough heat from enough people that they are backing off on the mailbox removal part of this year's republican election sabotage. I wonder what they will think of next? Mysterious fires in large urban mail sorting facilities in late October? Perhaps the republican's watergate crew want to be repurposed as arsonists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/14/people-are-freaking-out-about-mailbox-removals-postal-service-says-its-routine/?fbclid=IwAR3jqsP2PnbZqwMK0mw4avRg3E7ZqhD9SbphEu9E OoBBAIABgMXox1UZVAU#comments-wrapper
Yeah--the mailbox removal is the visible part of his diabolical scheme. If you haven't already--or maybe if you have--I urge you to keep the pressure on your reps.
iris lilies
8-15-20, 1:04pm
So you're fine with the post office failing and leaving rural communities with no service? Your plan would simply drain the profitable part of the business into private hands who would charge you more, leaving the least profitable part to the post office.
You currently have alternatives. Fedex will happily take your letter and deliver it somewhere. It will just cost a bit more. But, hey. Freedom!
I don’t believe there would be no service in rural areas. I think there might be slow, expensive, not convenient service. Kind of like many services are out there in rural America.
A few years ago DH took a few of the gubmnt subsidized airplane trips to North central (rural) Iowa. Those areas are
“ underserved” in the parlance of social workers. They were sweet rides! Under $100 round trip. On one ride he was the only passenger on the plane. Your tax dollars at work.
worth it to taxpayers? Not bloody likely.
I can assure you DH would have found a way to get to North
central iowa without Nanny’s help, but why not take advantage if the largesses of our rich tax paying citizenry?
Yeah--the mailbox removal is the visible part of his diabolical scheme.Diabolical indeed! People may be forced to send their mail from the same boxes they receive it.
I don’t believe there would be no service in rural areas. I think there might be slow, expensive, not convenient service.
Great. Lets kill the post office so urbanites and ruralites can both have more expensive service. Urban service will remain of a similar quality and rural service will be super crappy. Sounds like a win win! And undoubtedly a popular idea with republicans because they will have succeeded once again in showing that they are good at making government fail.
frugal-one
8-15-20, 1:43pm
Just talked to my mail lady today. They are still removing mailboxes and sorting machines here making it much more difficult for mail to be delivered in a timely fashion. IMO trump put in a crony in charge that will make sure we have difficulty voting come November. DH and I have discussed it and we will be voting early in person. Coronavirus or not.... we need to make sure our votes are counted. trump HAS to go.
Diabolical indeed! People may be forced to send their mail from the same boxes they receive it.
My mailbox doesn't have a little flag on it, or any other place to leave outgoing mail. How exactly am I going to handle this "send my mail from the same box I received it in" system?
frugal-one
8-15-20, 1:47pm
Diabolical indeed! People may be forced to send their mail from the same boxes they receive it.
Not a good idea. It is recommended not to have mail left in mailboxes based on theft. A letter box on the street is more secure than a rural or personal mailbox. So, yes, this is a diabolical scheme!
My mailbox doesn't have a little flag on it, or any other place to leave outgoing mail. How exactly am I going to handle this "send my mail from the same box I received it in" system?
I'm assuming you have an outgoing mail box on premises, right? I'll admit I haven't had to share communal space with others since I got out of the Air Force 43 years ago but I seem to recall an outgoing box built into the wall of incoming boxes. Is that not the case with you?
I'm assuming you have an outgoing mail box on premises, right? I'll admit I haven't had to share communal space with others since I got out of the Air Force 43 years ago but I seem to recall an outgoing box built into the wall of incoming boxes. Is that not the case with you?
No. We have a row of six incoming mailboxes. That's it. And is the same as every other place I've lived except a big NJ apartment complex with like 200 units. The mailboxes there were all in one big unit and there was an outgoing box. If I want to mail something I have to go to the big old blue box down the street. Assuming it's still there. I haven't been down that way in the past couple of days.
My checks, which I mail out, have cleared later. I found out employees at lockboxes are scared to open the mail and are letting it sit a few days before they process it, despite the fact that transmission of coronavirus via surfaces has been largely debunked.
That begs the question, why are you still sending out checks rather than electronic payments?
That begs the question, why are you still sending out checks rather than electronic payments?
I do not do any banking online. I am afraid of hackers.
Teacher Terry
8-15-20, 8:41pm
Y, use your banks app and only do it at home.
We have the USPS Informed Delivery notifications showing we would get mail today, including a small package. It never showed up which has never happened before so I guess we will add this to the list of new normals.
iris lilies
8-16-20, 12:11am
We dont leave outgoing mail clipped to out mailbox because our mailbox sits on the sidewalk. No security, and our postman can only put mail in, cannot take it out anyway.
We put it outgoing mail in a corner box. Which is often compromised by people who shove large objects in it and render the lid unoperable.
Y, use your banks app and only do it at home.
And use two factor authentication if available.
mschrisgo2
8-16-20, 8:07pm
Trump is like a kid, pushing the limits, to find the edge. And like a kid, he needs that edge to be clear and firm. So far, neither has happened.
Cook County has never had ballot drop boxes before but they’ve just announced there will be 50 around the county (which includes Chicago). I’ve always mailed mine very early so mail transit time is not an issue. Might use a drop box depending on location and how far from me.
iris lilies
8-19-20, 11:39am
I do not want to stand shoulder to shoulder with the unwashed hordes in November, so I went to vote.org to request an absentee ballot. The online request form churned and churned giving me no final response, so I have no idea if I actually got my request entered or not. Sigh. I think I’ll just go downtown to Our voter registration office and see what they have me do to request an absentee ballot
I do not want to stand shoulder to shoulder with the unwashed hordes in November, so I went to vote.org to request an absentee ballot. The online request form churned and churned giving me no final response, so I have no idea if I actually got my request entered or not. Sigh. I think I’ll just go downtown to Our voter registration office and see what they have me do to request an absentee ballot
Forget about going through a third party website. Go directly to your local election commission's website and apply there. That's what I did weeks ago.
there's information going around the internet that says you can also take your finished mail-in ballot in person, for drop off, to your election office...therefore you're sure they got it.
We checked with our local County officials (to make sure) and they gave us the info on where and how to bring in the mail in ballot. We are going to test whether we can bring in someone else's ballot. If you get a mail in ballot and want to vote in person, the mail in has to be invalidated and since we did not care about this part we did not ask further.
Every state is different and I suspect there will be a lot of poll workers who are new. This whole thing will be confusing.
In our state, IN, we have early voting starting Oct. 6 and we already have breakfast and voting planned.
My state has a website where you can make sure your mailed in ballot was received.
I suppose it’s not surprising trump is also suing to prevent ballot drop boxes in Pennsylvania. I guess he needed a multipronged effort to steal the election. Thankfully competence is not one of his strong suits so this too will hopefully fail.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/donald-trump-postal-service-2020-election-drop-off-ballot-boxes-a9678671.html
My state has a website where you can make sure your mailed in ballot was received.
Cook County emails you when they’ve received it - if you applied for ballot online.
And take mine into election commissions office? That would mean going downtown Chicago. Heck, no.
It’s official. The republicans intended to try to disenfranchise voters. I wonder why they hate democracy.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/21/politics/dejoy-election-mail-hearing-fact-check/index.html
My withholdings including for Social Security taxes have not changed. Has anyone had their employer stop withholding taxes in response to Trump's executive order?
My withholdings including for Social Security taxes have not changed. Has anyone had their employer stop withholding taxes in response to Trump's executive order?
No employer fell for his half-ass attempt to kill social security. He didn’t actually intend to change anything, just to create a stupid talking point for the media cycle as he has been doing for his whole sad sack presidency.
Be grateful. You’ll still be able to retire.
Apparently sometimes patriotic heroes wear postal uniforms.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/22/washington-postal-workers-defy-usps-orders-and-reinstall-mail-sorting-machines/#1ea976985f80
Apparently sometimes patriotic heroes wear postal uniforms.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/08/22/washington-postal-workers-defy-usps-orders-and-reinstall-mail-sorting-machines/#1ea976985f80
You know this whole postal issue seems to me to be designed to garner outrage where perhaps none is due. It's been my experience that streamlining for efficiency's sake and streamlining for political reasons are two entirely different things and I'm not sure the latter reason rings true.
I've read that thousands of the big blue mailboxes have been taken out of service over the past dozen years or so because of lower volume in certain areas. If that's true, the current removals should be expected if you're inclined to think in terms of efficiency. And I haven't heard or read any reason for the mail sorting machines decommissioning other than implications it's designed to slow down the process. I would think equipment such as this would be decommissioned all the time in the normal course of business due to replacement or perhaps expiration of maintenance contracts, etc.
Has any media reported on the reasons they're being removed or is the implication too juicy to disturb?
Teacher Terry
8-23-20, 12:11pm
One of the post offices in Washington state fixed their sorting machines and are now using them. Alan, if the changes were normal business procedures you wouldn’t have employees complaining that they no longer can make deadlines like previously.
One of the post offices in Washington state fixed their sorting machines and are now using them. Alan, if the changes were normal business procedures you wouldn’t have employees complaining that they no longer can make deadlines like previously.
Did those employees indicate why they can't make deadlines? I can see how cutting back on overtime in an effort to contain expenses might do that, and suspect that removing low volume mailboxes or retiring sorting machines have little or nothing to do with the expressed problem.
I like more detail in my excuses. ;)
My brother told me unlike every other Federal entity the post office has been required to fund pensions 70 years in the future and that is the source of their budget woes.
It seems very 1984ish to describe taking high speed sorting machines offline as "streamlining". But that's modern republicanism for you. But republicans also expect us to not believe our lying eyes or any of the stories of the recent dramatic decrease in timely mail delivery. All the dead chicks that didn't get delivered on time and all the people not getting their meds in a timely fashion and so on are all surely just a million random one offs.
Perhaps DeJoy will be more forthcoming and less stonewallish with actual information regarding what drove his decision process, as well as the steps he intends to take to fix his problem in his upcoming house testimony than he was in the senate last week.
Teacher Terry
8-23-20, 1:16pm
Y is correct. It’s a combination of things because the machines sort much faster than people and so many are out sick with the virus they need OT to keep up with the workload.
It seems very 1984ish to describe taking high speed sorting machines offline as "streamlining".
I'm assuming you're assuming taking those machines offline is a factor in those slow chicks and meds. I'm curious, are boxes such as might be used in those examples sorted through high speed machines? I'm trying to imagine it.
Perhaps DeJoy will be more forthcoming and less stonewallish with actual information regarding what drove his decision process, as well as the steps he intends to take to fix his problem in his upcoming house testimony than he was in the senate last week.
I saw part of that hearing, by "stonewallish" do you mean his inability to commit to providing detailed reports by today (Sunday) that several of the Democrats demanded? I didn't take that as stonewalling as much as stating he couldn't meet a short and artificial deadline.
Given the trump administration's long history of stonewalling anytime congress has attempted to engage in any sort of oversight, and the fact that DeJoy has financial conflicts of interest that should have taken him out of the running for the position, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt here. He should have showed up prepared.
Considering that he's barely been on the job three month his decisions must have come in one of three flavors:
1 - He's a shoot from the hip type manager who makes decisions, lets them play out and then adjusts strategy if they were lousy. This seems unlikely since, unlike his stupid boss, he doesn't have multiple bankruptcies under his belt (at least not that I've heard.)
2 - He took over the job and was presented with reports and presentations detailing changes that were needed to improve service levels and has acted on them. If that was the case it seems odd that he couldn't reference any of them during his testimony. His senate appearance wasn't a closed book exam. He could have brought notes.
3 - The accusations are true. He took over the job with the intention of destroying a treasured national institution.
Given the trump administration's long history of stonewalling anytime congress has attempted to engage in any sort of oversight, and the fact that DeJoy has financial conflicts of interest that should have taken him out of the running for the position, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt here. He should have showed up prepared.
How was he chosen for the job? Was he appointed by Trump as a reward for something or was he chosen by the USPS Board of Governors because of his expertise in logistics? (Hint: it was the latter)
If he had been appointed during the previous administration would you be a fan? As far as I can tell, other than trying to eliminate excessive overtime expenses he hasn't done anything that previous postmaster generals haven't, and if Trump hadn't mentioned mail in voting over and over again no-one would have any complaint with the removal of under-used mailboxes and other excess equipment. I blame the media for that, and also the public's insatiable appetite for outrage which makes it a profitable enterprise.
And how were all the USPS board of governors selected? Hint, every single one of them was appointed by trump. I wonder why that is. Hint, because mitch mcconnell is an unAmerican turd and sat on five Obama appointments.
And how were all the USPS board of governors selected? Hint, every single one of them was appointed by trump. I wonder why that is. Hint, because mitch mcconnell is an unAmerican turd and sat on five Obama appointments.I believe that was Bernie Sanders who blocked the Obama appointments, I have no idea why but he apparently put a hold on them, some suggest because 3 of the 5 were Republicans and the Senate Majority Leader approved of all 5. Some might ask why Obama would appoint Republicans and the answer is that by law no more than 5 members of the board of governors can be affiliated with the same political party.
Due to that, and the recent resignations of board members after their appointments had expired, the board was down to 5 plus the resigning Postmaster General and Assistant Postmaster General. Of those 7 people, 3 are believed to be Democrats and 4 believed to be Republicans. That was the group which chose DeJoy. At least that's what I understand to be true, you can correct me if not.
While true that Sanders blocked two of the appointees, republicans blocked the other five. One might ask if the senate majority leader approved of those five, why didn't they get brought up for a vote. Also, stating that sanders blocked the two nominees to spite obama or whatever also ignores his belief that the nominees were interested in privatizing and otherwise damaging the post office. Whether that is true or not, I don't know, having not thought much about the USPS board of governors until recently since until recently it didn't seem likely that a president would be trying to undermine confidence in the post office for political gains.
While true that Sanders blocked two of the appointees, republicans blocked the other five. One might ask if the senate majority leader approved of those five, why didn't they get brought up for a vote. Also, stating that sanders blocked the two nominees to spite obama or whatever also ignores his belief that the nominees were interested in privatizing and otherwise damaging the post office. There were only 5 nominees total, not the 7 you've mentioned, and if you're right in casting blame it appears to be bi-partisan.
I didn't mean to imply Sanders put a hold on them to spite Obama, I think it was more because Mitch approved of them. It's interesting though that you suggest at least 2 Obama appointees were interested in privatizing or otherwise damaging the post office. I thought that sort of accusation was reserved for Republican administrations.
But to get back to your earlier point, DeJoy was chosen by the emergency quorum of remaining Board Of Governors plus the Obama administrations resigning PMG and Assistant PMG. Obviously not all Trump appointees as you stated.
And DeJoy, as a trump donor, with financial interests in conflict with the position is not some neutral person who can be assumed to be acting in the best interests of his position. Hopefully he'll come prepared to actually justify his actions tomorrow. But I won't hold my breath. To do so would run the risk of my ending up like a young chick entrusted to the post office that he is running into the ground either intentionally or through incompetence and poor decisions.
And DeJoy, as a trump donor, with financial interests in conflict with the position is not some neutral person who can be assumed to be acting in the best interests of his position. Some folks after successful careers find fulfillment in public service. I think it's a stretch to assume otherwise based upon nothing more than political hatred.
Teacher Terry
8-23-20, 8:18pm
Finding joy in public service made me lol in regard to Dejoy.
Some folks after successful careers find fulfillment in public service.
That was certainly my plan, and my practice.
Finding joy in public service made me lol in regard to Dejoy.
Yes. His name is certainly ironic. There’s probably not much joy in being asked to justify why one’s short tenure in public service is already such a dismal failure.
happystuff
8-23-20, 9:49pm
Any business/institution that saves Santa Claus has my undying support!!! (The Miraçle on 34th Street) :D
Some folks after successful careers find fulfillment in public service. I think it's a stretch to assume otherwise based upon nothing more than political hatred.
You have a weird definition of political hatred. Pointing out that a trump appointee with conflicts of interest has made questionable decisions at the same time Trump has been impugning the institution that appointee has screwed up is not political hatred. It’s simply pointing out that that person needs to be capable of justifying his actions. You’re still stuck in the old paradigm. I don’t dislike trump for his differences In policy. Especially since he has no policy ideas to hate. I hate him because he is actively trying to damage all the institutions of this country that I hold dear. Like free and fair elections.
Apparently DeJoy is unfamiliar with Title 39 of the US Code. Kind of not a good look for a member of the law and order party to not be aware of the law governing the organization to which DeJoy swore an oath to uphold when he took his position.
It also appears that on Friday he may well have committed perjury in his senate testimony. Admittedly not for lying about a blowjob, which would send republicans into an uproar, but instead for lying about whether he had discussed any of the proposed changes to the post office with trump, Mark Meadows, or anyone in the trump campaign. Yet Mark Meadows accompanied him to several meetings on Capitol Hill. Hmmm. Perhaps those meetings were just to gossip about Jerry Falwell Jr's cuckold fetish, but somehow I doubt it. I suspect that his likely perjury was brought up in today's hearing because the democrats have proof that will be coming forward soon. If/when that happens it will be amusing to watch republicans try to somehow claim that perjury really isn't that big of a deal when a republican does it.
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