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frugal-one
8-13-20, 2:19pm
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-postal-service-mail-in-voting-coronavirus-funding-151003445.html
as Trevor Noah recently said on his "Daily (Social Distancing) Show": the question is no longer IF Trump will cheat, but HOW he will cheat.
Well, when your party's electoral success is dependent on preventing sizable quantities of voters who oppose you from voting you have to tweak your plans when shutting polling places isn't going to be as effective.
Is it cheating to not approve of every spending bill Congress suggests? I believe there's still an approximate $2T disparity between the Democratic House version of the bill and the Republican Senate version so I'm thinking there may be more than a $25B Postal Service windfall holding up the Coronavirus specific legislation's passage.
It certainly seems that the postal funding is Trump's biggest concern:
“Now, they need that money in order to make the Post Office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said. He added: “Now, if we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting, they just can’t have it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/12/postal-service-ballots-dejoy/
Something I haven't heard anyone talk about, don't the states still control how they collect the votes they then translate into Electoral College votes? Who gets to decide that everyone must vote by mail?
I don't particularly care how my vote is transmitted outside of strongly believing that voting is a responsibility not to be taken lightly and giving everyone a ballot and a postage paid envelope seems to undercut the gravity of this most precious responsibility. I think it promotes un-informed responses.
Something I haven't heard anyone talk about, don't the states still control how they collect the votes they then translate into Electoral College votes? Who gets to decide that everyone must vote by mail?
I don't particularly care how my vote is transmitted outside of strongly believing that voting is a responsibility not to be taken lightly and giving everyone a ballot and a postage paid envelope seems to undercut the gravity of this most precious responsibility. I think it promotes un-informed responses.
Outside of states like Washington that have been doing it for years I don't think anyone is saying that everyone 'must' vote by mail. They are simply pointing out that in the middle of a highly contagious pandemic a lot of people likely will want to vote by mail.
And yes, we should be talking about why trump is trying to stop nevada from controlling how they provide ballots to the state's registered voters.
Personally I'd like as many people to vote as want to vote. After all, for better or for worse, everyone, not just voters, has to live with the results of the election. I don't recall anything in the constitution stating that lawmakers should seek to insure that voting is difficult enough that only properly informed voters, for however one might define that, should be able to vote.
I don't recall anything in the constitution stating that lawmakers should seek to insure that voting is difficult enough that only properly informed voters, for however one might define that, should be able to vote.Well, other than that property owning or tax paying white male thing the original constitution recognized the individual states right to establish voting parameters. So yeah, guarantying approximately 6% of the population the right to vote didn't make it particularly difficult to spread democracy to the residents of a republic.
In all seriousness though, even though the original voting rights may have been onerous, I think they highlighted the seriousness of the responsibility.
And yes, we should be talking about why trump is trying to stop nevada from controlling how they provide ballots to the state's registered voters.
Yeah, his indoctrination as a lifelong Democrat makes him dangerously impulsive and a poor Federalist. ;)
In all seriousness though, even though the original voting rights may have been onerous, I think they highlighted the seriousness of the responsibility.
Personally I think they highlight that the rich white men didn't want to let anyone else participate. And that the slave owners were super crafty in getting slaves counted as at least partial people in federal elections but without having the inconvenience of letting them vote.
And that the slave owners were super crafty in getting slaves counted as at least partial people in federal elections but without having the inconvenience of letting them vote.I think Frederick Douglass put that canard to rest about 150 years ago when he proclaimed that the 3/5ths rule was instituted to give the southern states less influence in the Federal Government. So, according to him, slaves were entitled to be counted although their inability to have a voice in their representation should not be disproportionally granted to slave states. If he, as a former slave, found that rule to be just and appropriate, who are we to differ?
I think Frederick Douglass put that canard to rest about 150 years ago when he proclaimed that the 3/5ths rule was instituted to give the southern states less influence in the Federal Government. So, according to him, slaves were entitled to be counted although their inability to have a voice in their representation should not be disproportionally granted to slave states. If he, as a former slave, found that rule to be just and appropriate, who are we to differ?
But without the electoral college the 3/5 rule would have been pointless regarding the presidency. I don't see how it follows that because he disagreed with the 3/5 rule that he didn't think the purpose of the electoral college was to give the white people (slave state land-owning white men specifically) an outsize influence on presidential elections compared to their numbers. And without seeing the full context of what he said I don't see why he would've been in favor of the white people in slave states having even greater influence at the federal level when that influence was used to maintain the oppression of black slaves.
I think it should be no more difficult to vote than buy a legally obtained firearm.
But without the electoral college the 3/5 rule would have been pointless regarding the presidency. I don't see how it follows that because he disagreed with the 3/5 rule that he didn't think the purpose of the electoral college was to give the white people (slave state land-owning white men specifically) an outsize influence on presidential elections compared to their numbers. And without seeing the full context of what he said I don't see why he would've been in favor of the white people in slave states having even greater influence at the federal level when that influence was used to maintain the oppression of black slaves.
That's because you're caught up in the secondary importance of the presidency, the real power is (or is supposed to be) in the Congress. The 3/5 rule wasn't designed to give outsized influence, but rather to diminish influence in the House of Representatives.
Edited to Expand: The 3/5 rule came about because the slave states wanted slaves to be counted as citizens in order to expand the number of seats each state would be granted in the House of Representatives, thus giving them an outsize influence through the use of people they didn't even consider citizens. Much the same reason Democrats want illegal aliens to be counted in the census. The northern states resisted counting slaves at all in an effort to circumvent the outsize influence it would provide the south, although a compromise was eventually reached with the 3/5 rule which was then eventually superseded by the 13th Amendment which abolished slavery.
And since the electoral college was the method chosen to give those states the same extra influence at the presidential level as it did on the house of reps it should have been scrapped at the same time the 3/5 rule was scrapped.
And since the electoral college was the method chosen to give those states the same extra influence at the presidential level as it did on the house of reps it should have been scrapped at the same time the 3/5 rule was scrapped.One of those things is not like the other. We the people are not the federal government's clients, the states are, and your representatives to the federal government reside in the House of Representatives and the electoral college. The electoral college prevents California, New York and Illinois from controlling the highest office in the land and I for one think that's a good thing. I suppose you could argue that your state deserves more representation in both institutions but the real effect of that would be felt in the midwest and other flyover country where states would be demoted to bystander status. I think the cure you want is worse than the symptoms you suffer.
I guess I fail to see it as a good thing that literally 5 or 6 swing states hold all the cards in determining who will be the president. But that's the reality. Only Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and perhaps one or two others matter. Most of the rest of us matter not at all because we're in states that are blue or red enough that our state's decision is taken for granted by the candidates from both parties. It would be just as effective for us to howl at the moon like a coyote as it is for us to bother voting for a presidential candidate.
I understand why though, as a fan of the party that has won the presidency twice in the last 20 years with a less popular candidate, that you'd be in favor of the status quo.
I guess I fail to see it as a good thing that literally 5 or 6 swing states hold all the cards in determining who will be the president. But that's the reality. Only Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and perhaps one or two others matter. Most of the rest of us matter not at all because we're in states that are blue or red enough that our state's decision is taken for granted by the candidates from both parties. It would be just as effective for us to howl at the moon like a coyote as it is for us to bother voting for a presidential candidate.
I understand why though, as a fan of the party that has won the presidency twice in the last 20 years with a less popular candidate, that you'd be in favor of the status quo.In the case of California I'm not sure you can hold that against the candidate. It's interesting to note that your state of residence doesn't require its 55 electors to vote for a person but rather for a party. The electors are chosen by party affiliation and must vote for the party's candidate. Maybe if there were more diversity of opinion in your state the party wouldn't take you for granted. Just a thought.
I agree with Alan that Congress is really in charge of all the appropriations....and they are not doing their job! They need to find a way to compromise and work with each other on at least some bedrock things, and I think the USPS is definitely a line in the sand they should be able to agree on. But we have seen that our Republican congresspeople won't say "boo" to Trump.
Congress can't do much with McConnell stonewalling every bill it passes.
frugal-one
8-14-20, 3:25pm
Yeah, his indoctrination as a lifelong Democrat makes him dangerously impulsive and a poor Federalist. ;)
That is why I don't understand why you keep "backing" trump????? He voted as a Democrat for years and contributed to many Democrats!
That is why I don't understand why you keep "backing" trump????? He voted as a Democrat for years and contributed to many Democrats!Why do you keep accusing me of this? Not hating your enemy doesn't make me your enemies friend. I'll admit that I prefer a conservative, preferably Republican governing body and will always choose a candidate based upon the odds of achieving that goal. Sometimes I get what I want, sometimes I don't, just like you, but I promise you that when you win and I lose, I won't question your character. Virtual Pinky Swear!
frugal-one
8-14-20, 3:48pm
Why do you keep accusing me of this? Not hating your enemy doesn't make me your enemies friend. I'll admit that I prefer a conservative, preferably Republican governing body and will always choose a candidate based upon the odds of achieving that goal. Sometimes I get what I want, sometimes I don't, just like you, but I promise you that when you win and I lose, I won't question your character. Virtual Pinky Swear!
How is this questioning your character? It is an observation.
How is this questioning your character? It is an observation.A somewhat flawed observation, repeated over and over and over again, while refusing to accept nuanced responses to the contrary seems to be an attempt to uncover the character flaw you know must be there. Otherwise, what's the point?
frugal-one
8-14-20, 5:03pm
A somewhat flawed observation, repeated over and over and over again, while refusing to accept nuanced responses to the contrary seems to be an attempt to uncover the character flaw you know must be there. Otherwise, what's the point?
I don't think it is flawed. You keep backing trump as evidenced by your replies.
I don't think it is flawed. You keep backing trump as evidenced by your replies.LOL, Ok...:thankyou: for letting me know.
frugal-one
8-14-20, 7:38pm
LOL, Ok...:thankyou: for letting me know.
You’re welcome!
Alan frustrates me too at times. I don’t understand how anyone can defend our current administration.
But what I’ve observed about Alan is that he is a conservative at heart, does not agree with much/any of Trump’s morally problematic choices, wants all the data before making any decision, and is an eternal optimist. Therefore he is less alarmed than I am about the state of our nation. However I would never question his willingness to help me out in a pinch, nor to entertain me graciously in his home.
Alan - am I close?
Alan - am I close?Close enough! Especially if you bring wine. ;)
Alan frustrates me too at times. I don’t understand how anyone can defend our current administration.
But what I’ve observed about Alan is that he is a conservative at heart, does not agree with much/any of Trump’s morally problematic choices, wants all the data before making any decision, and is an eternal optimist. Therefore he is less alarmed than I am about the state of our nation. However I would never question his willingness to help me out in a pinch, nor to entertain me graciously in his home.
Alan - am I close?
Close enough! Especially if you bring wine. ;)
Tammy has actually done a really good job of describing my perception of you as well. Honestly I don't hate you or think you're a dreadful person. I just can't quite wrap my head around your sunny optimism about the current administration or the country's ability to survive it. But that's just a difference in perspective I suppose. As for the wine I won't knock Tammy's ability to bring a nice bottle of wine, but have you seen my workspace? There's a lot of empty spots on those racks because we haven't been up to Sonoma since February. All the really good, older, bottles have been steadily working their way into the recycle bin over the last five months or so.
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Teacher Terry
8-15-20, 2:32am
Tammy, I agree with you about Alan. It’s taken me awhile to realize he’s not a Trump lover. I also admire your coolness during this time when many of us are kinda freaked out by the state of our country.
rosarugosa
8-15-20, 6:10am
I don't believe we have any Trump lovers on the Forum, but we do have some conservatives. There is a difference.
As for the wine I won't knock Tammy's ability to bring a nice bottle of wine, but have you seen my workspace? There's a lot of empty spots on those racks because we haven't been up to Sonoma since February. All the really good, older, bottles have been steadily working their way into the recycle bin over the last five months or so.
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I haven't been to Sonoma lately, but I've been to our local market, where they have plenty of Bota Boxes--and on sale for 3.99! So come on up and I'll happily have you, Alan, Tammy or any lively mix of political persuasion for a lakeside debate. I'd love that, actually. I'd love to see if we are all so wittily sarcastic IRL.
I'd love to see if we are all so wittily sarcastic IRL.
That probably depends on how much wine we all drink.
frugal-one
8-15-20, 2:03pm
Alan frustrates me too at times. I don’t understand how anyone can defend our current administration.
But what I’ve observed about Alan is that he is a conservative at heart, does not agree with much/any of Trump’s morally problematic choices, wants all the data before making any decision, and is an eternal optimist. Therefore he is less alarmed than I am about the state of our nation. However I would never question his willingness to help me out in a pinch, nor to entertain me graciously in his home.
Alan - am I close?
You obviously haven't been reading his postings. He is constantly defending trump and his ideas and is a conservative no matter the cost. That is why he is not alarmed. This has nothing to do with him helping us out or being gracious in his home. As you stated.... it is hard to understand anyone defending our current administration.
Just talked to our mail lady and she is married to a trump supporter. She is a democrat. Catherine here says it is the same at her home. I can't imagine how that would be?????
rosarugosa
8-15-20, 2:26pm
That probably depends on how much wine we all drink.
I suspect that I'm wittier when sober, although I may FEEL wittier when I'm not! :laff:
You obviously haven't been reading his postings. He is constantly defending trump and his ideas and is a conservative no matter the cost. That is why he is not alarmed. This has nothing to do with him helping us out or being gracious in his home. As you stated.... it is hard to understand anyone defending our current administration.
Just talked to our mail lady and she is married to a trump supporter. She is a democrat. Catherine here says it is the same at her home. I can't imagine how that would be?????
You should probably shun me, that would serve me right I think since I've always been a problem child here.
"Oh my g_d, he supports W!" : circa 2005
"You know he's not smart enough to adore Obama!" : circa 2010
"He's a Trumper!" circa: 2020
You'd think I'd have learned by now wouldn't you?
I suspect that I'm wittier when sober, although I may FEEL wittier when I'm not! :laff:
I expect everyone would find me wittier if they drink more wine than I do.
frugal-one
8-15-20, 3:46pm
You should probably shun me, that would serve me right I think since I've always been a problem child here.
"Oh my g_d, he supports W!" : circa 2005
"You know he's not smart enough to adore Obama!" : circa 2010
"He's a Trumper!" circa: 2020
You'd think I'd have learned by now wouldn't you?
Nonsensical.
Nonsensical.Nope, these storied pages have included each of those statements directed at me over the years, multiple times actually, although you're the only one left. Some may think you're in good company, Congratulations!
Just talked to our mail lady and she is married to a trump supporter. She is a democrat. Catherine here says it is the same at her home. I can't imagine how that would be?????
Because life is larger than politics?
Because it’s possible for decent people to disagree?
iris lilies
8-15-20, 6:22pm
We just got today’s mail delivery and the two letters I was waiting for finally came. One had a postmark, the other one didn’t. The postmark was August 7.
I just knew that letter was riding around in a post office vehicle for a week. It’s coming from three hours away. I should’ve just gotten in a Car and driven to get it.
rosarugosa
8-15-20, 6:25pm
I expect everyone would find me wittier if they drink more wine than I do.
lol:laff:
Because life is larger than politics?
Because it’s possible for decent people to disagree?
Hey, it's easy to just avoid conversations about politics in my world. I just keep my mouth shut and DH does the same (for the most part.) So DH likes Trump. Nobody's perfect. ;)
But, frankly I can't imagine being KellyAnn and George Conway.
“ You obviously haven't been reading his postings. He is constantly defending trump and his ideas and is a conservative no matter the cost. That is why he is not alarmed. This has nothing to do with him helping us out or being gracious in his home. As you stated.... it is hard to understand anyone defending our current administration.
Just talked to our mail lady and she is married to a trump supporter. She is a democrat. Catherine here says it is the same at her home. I can't imagine how that would be?????”
I’ve read every one. For about 5 years now. I read a lot more than I comment.
What we need to avoid in our country is demonization of those with whom we disagree. Otherwise we lose our freedom of speech, among other freedoms.
I support the ACLU, BLM, and our local homeless shelter monthly. I support our hospital foundation every paycheck, as they have various social support programs for those without insurance or other resources.
My favorite governmental system is democratic socialism, although none are perfect.
Unconditional positive regard is the underlying theme to my life. I feel badly that I hate Trump. I hate almost no one. But he is such a threat to our democracy. I worry about our nation all the time.
I have little problem with conservative ideas. I am often tempted by libertarianism. But the reality of our world is that people need the support that a social democracy provides.
Alan is in the difficult position of defending his conservative values during a time when some of our national leaders who claim to be conservative Republicans are actually trying to lead us into a fascist dictatorship.
frugal-one
8-15-20, 7:25pm
Nope, these storied pages have included each of those statements directed at me over the years, multiple times actually, although you're the only one left. Some may think you're in good company, Congratulations!
Thought you were saying I said those things... not....
frugal-one
8-15-20, 7:27pm
Because life is larger than politics?
Because it’s possible for decent people to disagree?
Has nothing to do with decency but partners having the same values.
Thought you were saying I said those things... not....Well, except for that last one. Over and over and over again. Sort of like an old 45rpm record from the bargain bin that get's the needle stuck in a scratch, but a little polishing might correct.
frugal-one
8-15-20, 7:32pm
“ You obviously haven't been reading his postings. He is constantly defending trump and his ideas and is a conservative no matter the cost. That is why he is not alarmed. This has nothing to do with him helping us out or being gracious in his home. As you stated.... it is hard to understand anyone defending our current administration.
Just talked to our mail lady and she is married to a trump supporter. She is a democrat. Catherine here says it is the same at her home. I can't imagine how that would be?????”
I’ve read every one. For about 5 years now. I read a lot more than I comment.
What we need to avoid in our country is demonization of those with whom we disagree. Otherwise we lose our freedom of speech, among other freedoms.
I support the ACLU, BLM, and our local homeless shelter monthly. I support our hospital foundation every paycheck, as they have various social support programs for those without insurance or other resources.
My favorite governmental system is democratic socialism, although none are perfect.
Unconditional positive regard is the underlying theme to my life. I feel badly that I hate Trump. I hate almost no one. But he is such a threat to our democracy. I worry about our nation all the time.
I have little problem with conservative ideas. I am often tempted by libertarianism. But the reality of our world is that people need the support that a social democracy provides.
Alan is in the difficult position of defending his conservative values during a time when some of our national leaders who claim to be conservative Republicans are actually trying to lead us into a fascist dictatorship.
I have always been an Independent, and like you, feel trump is a threat to our democracy and a Hilter-wanna-be. The problem I have is those trying to make excuses or justifications when there really are none.
frugal-one
8-15-20, 7:33pm
Well, except for that last one. Over and over and over again.
ok. Do you deny it?
ok. Do you deny it?
OK, again....you're asking for a black or white answer for a question which can only be answered using various shades of gray, which you apparently can't see. So, suit yourself.
Teacher Terry
8-15-20, 8:16pm
My husband is a Republican but doesn’t like Trump. Politics is about the only thing we don’t agree about. My ex and I had politics in common and nothing else. He also married a Republican:))
frugal-one
8-15-20, 8:23pm
OK, again....you're asking for a black or white answer for a question which can only be answered using various shades of gray, which you apparently can't see. So, suit yourself.
It is not grey. If you plan on voting for trump you are a trumper. It does not matter what he does or has done.... you will vote for him.
I tend to agree with frugal-one. At this point, with all he has done, from using foreign aid as a personal slush fund to extort personal gain in the next election from an ally, to all the grifting to admitting publicly that he’s killing the post office because he thinks it will help him win the election, to openly stating that he may not accept the results of the coming election the dude is about as unAmerican as they come. Anyone who can’t plainly say “I won’t be voting for him” is a supporter.
The Lincoln Project folks are among the few conservatives I have any respect for at this point.
Has nothing to do with decency but partners having the same values.
I can’t imagine anything more tedious than being married to a clone of me.
SO, a regional HR Director responsible for seven hotels, five of which have been closed for several months, has spent a lot of hours helping furloughed employees get their unemployment benefit claims successfully processed. Not because someone told him to or because it provides any particular benefit to his employer, but because he sees it as the right thing to do. We are certainly not clones. In fact he and I are actually quite different in many ways. But I like that his core values are similar to mine. I couldn’t imagine spending my life with someone who had starkly different values than I do.
I guess I have trouble conceiving of a visceral Trump-hatred as a “core value”.
Teacher Terry
8-16-20, 12:29pm
I was surprised my husband generally but not always votes republican because he is big on helping people with whatever they need: time, money, etc. His core values are similar to mine.
I was surprised my husband generally but not always votes republican because he is big on helping people with whatever they need: time, money, etc. His core values are similar to mine.It's been noted for years that Republicans provide more time and money to charitable pursuits than Democrats so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised by that.
I've always suspected that the real disparity comes from the difference in core political beliefs in the two camps with Republicans preferring to provide of their own volition and the Democrats preferring the government force them to do so.
I think people too often make the mistake of confusing political positions with core values. Two different people may want what’s best for the country, but have radically different ideas of “what’s best” in the short or long term. They then draw the incorrect conclusion that the opposing viewpoint comes from “evil” motives.
frugal-one
8-16-20, 1:35pm
I can’t imagine anything more tedious than being married to a clone of me.
I don't consider having the same values as being a clone but a necessary requirement. The definition of values ... is a person's principles or standards of behavior; one's judgment of what is important in life.
frugal-one
8-16-20, 1:40pm
I guess I have trouble conceiving of a visceral Trump-hatred as a “core value”.
It is his values and moral compass that I object to. I actually thought of voting for him in the beginning until he started spouting his degradation of woman, veterans and people of color. That was BEFORE he was elected. Since then his values have even gone lower. There is so much wrong.... it has all been discussed before. Cancellation of laws that erode the environment and drinking water..... the list goes on and on.
frugal-one
8-16-20, 1:42pm
It's been noted for years that Republicans provide more time and money to charitable pursuits than Democrats so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised by that.
I've always suspected that the real disparity comes from the difference in core political beliefs in the two camps with Republicans preferring to provide of their own volition and the Democrats preferring the government force them to do so.
Where is that noted? From what I see, more is given to businesses and the wealthy.
I can’t imagine anything more tedious than being married to a clone of me.
haha! I have often said that, LDAHL. I would NOT want to be married to me. It would be a truly boring marriage. I like myself, but DH is the pepper to my salt.
I guess I have trouble conceiving of a visceral Trump-hatred as a “core value”.
I have trouble believing that someone who is cool with a lying, cheating, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, grifting, baby jail creating president is only lacking in a value of "trump hating". Trump hating is not a core value, it's the logical conclusion of a number of other values I hold dear.
I have trouble believing that someone who is cool with a lying, cheating, racist, misogynist, xenophobic, grifting, baby jail creating president is only lacking in a value of "trump hating". Trump hating is not a core value, it's the logical conclusion of a number of other values I hold dear.
What if your SO were a Trumper, jp? Would you think like frugal-one? Is that too incongruous to sustain a relationship?
Where is that noted? uhhh, everywhere. Here's one link for you but you can find lots and lots of other links and studies verifying the same if you're so inclined. https://nonprofitquarterly.org/republicans-give-more-to-charity-than-democrats-but-theres-a-bigger-story-here/
uhhh, everywhere. Here's one link for you but you can find lots and lots of other links and studies verifying the same if you're so inclined. https://nonprofitquarterly.org/republicans-give-more-to-charity-than-democrats-but-theres-a-bigger-story-here/
Actually this article points to something I have heard before: Wealthy philanthropists give to other elite-nurturing causes like Ivy League universities. I'd like to see the data on where the money goes. As the saying goes, money goes to money.
Teacher Terry
8-16-20, 2:08pm
Catherine I would never give up the only happy marriage I have had over politics. If he actually liked Trump I would ask him not to talk about it to me. My ex’s wife is a Republican and hates Trump too. She voted 3rd party.
What if your SO were a Trumper, jp? Would you think like frugal-one? Is that too incongruous to sustain a relationship?
It's hard to say. I've never actually met a gay republican. Supposedly they do exist though.
It's hard to say. I've never actually met a gay republican. Supposedly they do exist though.
My Presbyterian female minister was Republican, conservative--and gay. However, she was totally in the closet, and she would give sermons on why black ministers are as good as white ones and why she deserved an SUV. But she spearheaded a letter-writing campaign to support my husband who was in rehab and she taught me how to meditate on that profound Biblical passage: "Be Still And Know That I Am God."
People are so complex, and frankly I find that complexity wonderful. I wouldn't want anyone to put me in a box, and I try not to do that to others.
ApatheticNoMore
8-17-20, 12:47am
I can’t imagine anything more tedious than being married to a clone of me.
it's the soulmate relationship thing, not everyone gets it I guess, whether it's good or bad I don't know, maybe ask me in 20 years, it's been 5ish. Me and SO hit the uncanny soulmate thing early on and that is probably why we're together. And our values and outlook are similar. Politics - we've done political things together. But even people with a lot in common aren't actually clones, and men never see things exactly like women etc. anyway even if neither of us are that gender cliched, and different people have had different life experiences (sheesh we weren't that young, we had life experience, we weren't some noobs who barely knew ourselves).
Not being bored is I suppose very low indeed on my list of priorities.
Actually this article points to something I have heard before: Wealthy philanthropists give to other elite-nurturing causes like Ivy League universities. I'd like to see the data on where the money goes. As the saying goes, money goes to money.
They undoubtedly give more money and time--and they should--because they have more of both, while we peons give a higher percentage of our meager earnings.
I would agree that similar core values are critically important, but the details are completely negotiable.
I wouldn't be comfortable with someone who ignored Trump's complete lack of morals, civility, human decency, etc., let alone supported him.
iris lilies
8-17-20, 10:26am
It's hard to say. I've never actually met a gay republican. Supposedly they do exist though.
Yes of course there are gay Republicans. Probably even in San
feancisco although you’d have to hunt.
Here in flyover country where our little Victorian village is inhabited by many gay men, I have known three, as defined by Bush. I Highly doubt any of them are Trump supporters however. You have heard of the Log Cabin Republicans right?
Yes of course there are gay Republicans. Probably even in San
feancisco although you’d have to hunt.
Here in flyover country where our little Victorian village is inhabited by many gay men, I have known three, as defined by Bush. I Highly doubt any of them are Trump supporters however. You have heard of the Log Cabin Republicans right?
Heck, in San Francisco I'd have to hunt to find any republican period, much less a gay one. The only person here that I know is republican is a straight guy from Canada who became an American citizen back in the 90's. He's also the only Canadian I've ever met who expressed preference for the US's healthcare system over Canada's.
I'm sure there are indeed gay republicans. Milo Yiannopoulos is still alive after all. But I don't think a relationship with him would be a good fit for me. Based on what I know of him I suspect a few of our core values would not be in alignment.
Teacher Terry
8-17-20, 12:43pm
Catherine, I tried to send you a private message but your box is too full.
The petty nastiness of contemporary politics (and not just in this country) makes me pine for the days of happy warriors like Hubert Humphrey and Ronald Reagan. Just this morning, I read a great Reagan story. When he was Governor of California, he was on a UC campus, when a group of students mobbed his car, rocking it back and forth chanting “We are the future!” Reagan quickly made a sign on a legal pad that said, “Then I’m selling my bonds”.
frugal-one
8-17-20, 4:27pm
The petty nastiness of contemporary politics (and not just in this country) makes me pine for the days of happy warriors like Hubert Humphrey and Ronald Reagan. Just this morning, I read a great Reagan story. When he was Governor of California, he was on a UC campus, when a group of students mobbed his car, rocking it back and forth chanting “We are the future!” Reagan quickly made a sign on a legal pad that said, “Then I’m selling my bonds”.
I agree. The nastiness and name calling is uncalled for.
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