View Full Version : The Plot Thickens.....
gimmethesimplelife
10-2-20, 2:58am
Trump and the First Lady both just tested positive for Covid-19. Whatever do you make of this and potential consequences going forward? I'm speechless but not very surprised. Rob
Trump is elderly and overweight. If it does him in would Pence become the nominee?
Oh dear. Praying for everyone at the White House. This can't be good news for anyone.
Also praying for Biden and hoping that he can win the election.
iris lilies
10-2-20, 7:33am
I keep telling myself on November 3 it will all be over. 4 weeks.
I look back in fondness of the Gore/Bush drama of determining who really won the election and doubt that our current days will ever be as pleasing in nostalgia as that event was. Just get us out of Election 2020, please!
The blessing "May you live in interesting times" continues to manifest itself. As much as I don't like Trump as President, I certainly wish him no ill.
I'm viewing this through the lens of what would be best for the country. (Trump, of course, will view it the opposite way, since for a narcissist the measure of anything is how it affects him.) A couple of scenarios seem possible here:
1. Trump has the virus and shows few or no symptoms. This is probably the worst outcome for the country, since he will crow about his superior physiology (his "good genes") and continue to maintain that covid is no big deal, that people don't need to wear masks, that it will all magically go away, that everything should open up, etc. He and his supporters will interpret as vindication of their views what is in fact the result of dumb luck.
2. Trump has moderate to severe symptoms, like Boris Johnson did. Unlike Johnson, it won't serve as any kind of wake-up call, however. It will keep him off the campaign trail for weeks, however, which may be a good thing. It could help Biden by making Trump look weak. He'll likely try to claim the election should be postponed. So this scenario is equivocal.
3. Trump gets severely ill and remains at death's door through election day. This too, is hard to predict. Seeing Trump this way might sway a tiny number of voters, but it will probably end up as a wash--others will vote figuring they'd just as soon have Pence. (Probably a lot of mainstream Republicans are hoping for this scenario.)
4. Trump dies before election day. Unlikely, but probably similar to No. 3. It might even help the Republicans, who will think, "Thank God we're rid of this clown--now we can have Pence, who like Trump will rubber-stamp our reactionary agenda without uttering obscenities we have to defend or dodge every few days."
Just some random thoughts on what's shaping up to be a slow work day (though a fast news day).
And I wonder how many in his inner circle were exposed and at risk. There sure are a lot of alternate futures that could come about. I don't think the market is going to like this, among other unpleasant possibilities.
happystuff
10-2-20, 9:58am
Considering his relationship with masks/masking, it's not surprising that he got the virus (if it is true to begin with! If it is not, what a slap in the face to all who have had it - survivors and victims!). Anyway, if he, Melania and anyone around him actually have it, I wish them recovery.
catherine
10-2-20, 10:03am
Considering his relationship with masks/masking, it's not surprising that he got the virus (if it is true to begin with! If it is not, what a slap in the face to all who have had it - survivors and victims!). Anyway, if he, Melania and anyone around him actually have it, I wish them recovery.
Are you suggesting a Republican conspiracy to abort the debates because of his abysmal performance? Hmmm...
My thought is when he recovers he's going to say he's a victim of a Democratic mastermind to intentionally infect and kill him, spearheaded by Nancy Pelosi. Assassination by modern-day hemlock.
Teacher Terry
10-2-20, 10:42am
I vote for scenarios 3 or 4.
I vote for scenarios 3 or 4.
That sounds like something Trump would say.
Simplemind
10-2-20, 12:23pm
I'm afraid of #1.
At least this gives a little breathing room. I'm sure after the debate many in his circle wanted to roll him up in a rug and put him in the back room while they worked on damage control. I wish I felt it would be over on November 4th but I feel that will be just a date on a calendar. No matter who wins the divisions will continue to grow wider.
He'll continue to tweet, however, I'm sure.
frugal-one
10-2-20, 1:53pm
He'll continue to tweet, however, I'm sure.
Or have someone do it for him if he is really ill.... have to keep up appearances, you know.
He'll continue to tweet, however, I'm sure.
My sister just texted that he hasn’t tweeted a single thing in 13 hours. He must really feel like crap.
My sister just texted that he hasn’t tweeted a single thing in 13 hours. He must really feel like crap.
Perhaps there's no reception in the bunker.
Perhaps there's no reception in the bunker.
Hopefully reception is better at Walter Reed.
Teacher Terry
10-2-20, 8:58pm
Lladhl, it doesn’t matter what I think because no one has control over the outcome. I won’t shed a tear for someone so cruel as this narcissistic jerk. Calling people dead from the virus “nobody’s “, calling our servicemen and women suckers and losers makes me sick. Caring about him would be like caring for Hitler. No thanks.
And now Kelly Anne Conway. How many big republican operatives catching it at one event does it take before it can be called a super spreader event?
The only good side to this tragic turn of events is that it will hopefully be the end of his horrible reign. It couldn’t be happening to a worse group of ugly assholes.
And now Kelly Anne Conway. How many big republican operatives catching it at one event does it take before it can be called a super spreader event?
The only good side to this tragic turn of events is that it will hopefully be the end of his horrible reign. It couldn’t be happening to a worse group of ugly assholes.
Their arrogance is breathtaking. At the Cleveland Clinic, they were asked to by a doctor to wear masks in keeping with hospital rules; he offered masks, and they --presumably politely--told him to go to hell. So that whole side of the audience had the potential to spread the virus unimpeded. Same at the White House--maybe they think they're COVID rebels/deniers, but the poor staff gets the brunt of it, without fancy health care. Karma.
gimmethesimplelife
10-3-20, 8:45pm
And now Trump's campaign manager has tested positive. This is just getting too much like a Mexican telenovela - completely over the top but without a catch theme song in Spanish. Rob
Pretty much everyone in his inner circle except Pompeo ( out of the country), Barr (inexplicably still supposedly negative despite being involved in all of the past week's activities, and Giuliani (only involved in debate prep Sunday and Monday, nothing else) has tested positive. The kids are still claiming negativity but we'll see if that holds. It's all a big reminder that this virus is extremely infectious and that the public health recommendations exist for a reason.
And now Trump's campaign manager has tested positive. This is just getting too much like a Mexican telenovela - completely over the top but without a catch theme song in Spanish. Rob
:devil:
I’ve seen those years ago at the laundromat. You and I don’t agree at all politically, but that is damned funny.
gimmethesimplelife
10-4-20, 8:19pm
:devil:
I’ve seen those years ago at the laundromat. You and I don’t agree at all politically, but that is damned funny.Cool that you got the humor here! My sense of humor tends to run very dry/ironic so it's nice for me when someone "gets" it. Rob
Cool that you got the humor here! My sense of humor tends to run very dry/ironic so it's nice for me when someone "gets" it. Rob
Well, we agreed on something! Hell has frozen over! :devil:
Teacher Terry
10-5-20, 10:09am
That’s funny Rob:)). Now of course he endangered secret service with his farewell tour yesterday.
gimmethesimplelife
10-5-20, 12:49pm
And amp up the intense Telenovela background muzak.....the WH Press Secretary tested positive.....after repeatedly flaunting reporters questions regarding her refusal to wear a mask. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-5-20, 12:53pm
That’s funny Rob:)). Now of course he endangered secret service with his farewell tour yesterday.Seriously TT.....we need Univision in Mexico City to get Fernando Conluga (my first pick to.be marooned on a desert island with) and Thalia and Itati Cantoral together to star in a Telenovela just regarding the past six months of this Administration. Very juicy matetial to work with to say the least. And I too am disgusted with Trump's not valuing the lives of the Secret Service one.iota. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-5-20, 12:55pm
Well, we agreed on something! Hell has frozen over! :devil:Beyond politics for all you.know we might.agree on a few things. Rob
ToomuchStuff
10-6-20, 11:12am
Now of course he endangered secret service with his farewell tour yesterday.
Do you understand their job?
Teacher Terry
10-6-20, 11:41am
Their job is to keep him safe and die for him if necessary. Driving around for no reason when he has a infectious disease in a airtight vehicle doesn’t qualify. TMS, I think it’s you that doesn’t understand their job. Ugh!
iris lilies
10-6-20, 11:43am
I’m not sure how the president would get to and from Walter Reed Hospital to the White House if not in an enclosed bulletproof vehicle. He’s gonna have to take that ride eventually with his secret service guys.
Jane v2.0
10-6-20, 11:55am
But that was a totally unnecessary (ego) trip. I believe the Secret Service agents involved are now in quarantine.
I would have had a golf cart waiting outside the hospital for him.
I see one satire site has criticized Trump for downplaying the Covid threat by not dying.
Teacher Terry
10-6-20, 12:18pm
Yes of course he does. But each ride increases risk. Any sane person can see that taking a ride for no reason was beyond foolish. I don’t envision any of our past presidents doing that.
He isn’t done with it yet. Plenty of people have a second wave. His ‘I’m a super strong caveman’ persona that already looks dangerous and stupid to thinking people will completely blow up if he takes a nosedive and has to be readmitted to Walter Reed. Although I imagine they have already moved a ventilator and anything else to the White House hospital suite so if he dies it will probably be after we’ve been told all along that he was doing great.
And we Surely won’t hear about all the White House staff who get infected because he refuses to wear a mask or do any of the things that have been shown to keep people safe.
Either way polling seems to show that the American people aren’t as stupid as he thinks we are. The latest polling shows that only his truly diehard supporters approve of his handling of covid. And him having it, along with more and more White House staff, guarantees that no other issue will move to center stage over the next four weeks.
Jane v2.0
10-6-20, 12:26pm
I see one satire site has criticized Trump for downplaying the Covid threat by not dying.
It's early days yet. Herman Cain survived five weeks from exposure (probably at a Trump rally) to death--all the time conveying the idea that his doctors were happy with his progress. In one correspondence he opined "It looks like the coronavirus is not as deadly as the mainstream media first made it out to be." (Wikipedia)
Yes of course he does. But each ride increases risk. Any sane person can see that taking a ride for no reason was beyond foolish. I don’t envision any of our past presidents doing that.
Sure they would, it's important for a President to appear hale and hearty whether they actually are or not, remember FDR? Just reading several threads on this site it's apparent that people won't believe that he's recovering and at least appears to be on the mend. Seeing that affects markets and foreign policy and many other things.
We know that you hate him and wish him ill but the peoples ability to see their president up and about is important, and I'm certain his protection detail recognizes that.
It's early days yet. Herman Cain survived five weeks from exposure (probably at a Trump rally) to death--all the time conveying the idea that his doctors were happy with his progress. In one correspondence he opined "It looks like the coronavirus is not as deadly as the mainstream media first made it out to be." (Wikipedia)
Then he will be criticized for not dying quickly enough.
Teacher Terry
10-6-20, 12:48pm
I don’t care what happens to him frankly but certainly don’t wish that he would die. He is doing himself no favors as he is tanking in the polls. People have been turned away from emergency rooms being told to not come back until they are having trouble breathing. He gets first class treatment and is flaunting it. People are finally noticing what a horrible person he really is.
He gets first class treatment and is flaunting it. All president's seem to get first class medical care, it's one of the perks of the job. If he fails to die will that be the ultimate 'flaunt'?
All president's seem to get first class medical care, it's one of the perks of the job. If he fails to die will that be the ultimate 'flaunt'?
It must be painful for people who were told to "Go home until you have difficulty breathing" and then racked up staggering medical bills just as they got furloughed and experienced near homelessness, knowing all the time that this pandemic could have been nipped in the bud if confronted early by a functional government--as it was in countless other countries.
Then he will be criticized for not dying quickly enough.
And people who aren’t his fanboys will be criticized for ever saying anything negative about him no matter how well deserved.
All president's seem to get first class medical care, it's one of the perks of the job. If he fails to die will that be the ultimate 'flaunt'?
We should probably ask the family and friends of the 210,000 people who died of the disease already, some (many?) of whom at least attempted to follow the guidance for avoiding getting covid, unlike flaunty the clown.
In my earlier post I said my view on this was being conditioned solely based on what I thought would be the best outcome for the country. I continue to be indifferent to Trump qua Trump. I really don't hate the guy; in fact I kind of pity him.
Now, based on the events of the past day or so, I've reluctantly concluded that it would be best if he becomes critically ill, although he wouldn't necessarily have to die. It would put a stop to his misinformation campaign about covid and prevent him from further spreading the disease among innocent staffers and Secret Service agents.
And it may yet happen. As T himself is fond of saying, we'll see.
ApatheticNoMore
10-6-20, 3:37pm
If he fails to die will that be the ultimate 'flaunt'?
of a let them eat cake sort, which was I suppose the ultimate taunt, uh flaunt whatever. until it wasn't.
gimmethesimplelife
10-6-20, 8:05pm
I keep telling myself on November 3 it will all be over. 4 weeks.
I look back in fondness of the Gore/Bush drama of determining who really won the election and doubt that our current days will ever be as pleasing in nostalgia as that event was. Just get us out of Election 2020, please!We actually agree on something, IL! I can't wait until this election is over myself. SO and family.have been watching too many telenovelas - they want Trump publicly humiliated via a historic Trump-soul-crushing historic loss. I am not wishing for vengeance. I wish a loss fir Trump but a complete and speedy recovery. I don't wish the man illness or death - just out of office as this would be.best for not only the 85006 - but ditching the hyperfocus it's been mentioned I have for my zip code - it.would also.be.best for most Americans were the man out of office. Rob
ToomuchStuff
10-7-20, 6:38am
Their job is to keep him safe and die for him if necessary. Driving around for no reason when he has a infectious disease in a airtight vehicle doesn’t qualify. TMS, I think it’s you that doesn’t understand their job. Ugh!
Give me a description of the inside of the limo, and the mechanicals of it.
I can't comment more.
gimmethesimplelife
10-7-20, 10:29am
I don’t care what happens to him frankly but certainly don’t wish that he would die. He is doing himself no favors as he is tanking in the polls. People have been turned away from emergency rooms being told to not come back until they are having trouble breathing. He gets first class treatment and is flaunting it. People are finally noticing what a horrible person he really is.But just think of the nationwide mask'required, socially distanced celebrations that will take place once Trump is proclaimed the Loser /Biden the Winner. There won't be s Block.Party per se here in the 85006 of course - but some sort of celebration/acknowledgment of victory over evil. Rob
Give me a description of the inside of the limo, and the mechanicals of it.
I can't comment more.
We all know that it’s hermetically sealed and armored, etc to prevent another jfk moment. But he shouldn’t have been taking a pointless joyride. Especially since it made him look as pathetic and weak as W did flying over New Orleans after Katrina.
We all know that it’s hermetically sealed and armored, etc to prevent another jfk moment. But he shouldn’t have been taking a pointless joyride. Especially since it made him look as pathetic and weak as W did flying over New Orleans after Katrina.
Maybe the passenger area is sealed, airwise, from the driver area. Still, someone had to be there to protect him getting into the car, which I guess was probably done inside.
I don't think it made him look either pathetic or weak. I think it made him look like he is on a lot of dexamathosone and is not receiving the best medical care, which would include persuading him AGAINST getting out and riding around when he has Covid and is on the medications he is on.
To me, that is part of good medical care, keeping the patient from attempting to destroy himself.
Teacher Terry
10-7-20, 11:32am
The pictures showed someone in the back seat with him. So not separated.
Just to bring some clarity to this discussion about unnecessary car trips that expose others –
This is how we handle it in my hospital system.
Example: We have a unit with 24 patients in it. One patient develops symptoms that looks suspicious of Covid. That one patient goes into a room by himself and we test him.
If his test is positive then he remains alone in that room for 14 days minimum, and he must be without fever for a few days and his other symptoms must be improving for a few days, before he comes out. Because he’s positive and has exposed everyone on that unit, the entire unit is quarantined for two weeks. Every patient has to stay in their room the entire time. At any time that another patient will develop symptoms, the two week countdown restarts. No visitors of any sort are allowed on that unit. The only people that come and go are staff. The staff put on the full protective gear before they enter the unit and they don’t remove it until they leave the unit. The entire unit is considered a contaminated area which requires droplet and contact precautions at all times. No one can be admitted during that time. If someone is personally without symptoms they can be discharged to their home if they’re able to continue their quarantine at their home for two more weeks.
If his test is negative, he remains in that room until he has a few days without any symptoms at all. In this case the rest of the unit has less strict restrictions than what I described above, but they still remain on some restrictions until the original patient’s symptoms have resolved completely. If the symptoms are not resolving within a few days, or if we cannot attribute symptoms to another cause (influenza, strep throat, etc - many tests are done to find the cause), then he often needs a second negative covid test before changing the isolation parameters.
If any of the patients on this exposed unit need to leave for other reasons (example it going to the emergency department because of chest pain) there is an entire protocol about how they are taken by wheelchair to the elevator to the ambulance to the emergency department. This involves a thorough cleaning of every hall and elevator that the patient passes through, and the patient wears personal protective equipment during this time. All staff that assist in this process also are fully geared up and follow strict cleaning procedures for both the environment in their own bodies when this is over.
These protocols are written out on official documents after being reviewed by committees of a dozen or so infection control experts. They are individualized for each department and situation in our large hospital system. Hours of work go into controlling the spread of Covid. I personally was involved in the strategy meetings until I started my sickleave in early July. The first half of 2020 was consumed with this information every day in my work.
I hope it’s obvious to everyone, after reading above description, that it was ridiculous for the president to take a drive in a car with others simply to wave at his supporters.
Does my disgust and anger make sense? I watch frontline people work 12-15 hour days to control covid and then our dear leader throws it all to the wind.
I do transport of ebola and covid patients, and similar things. Just prepping and decontaminating the transport vehicle is a major undertaking. And the folks involved wear significant PPE.
That said, this is the President, not some random patient, and I can well imagine that national security concerns might make the sort of "drive around the block in the SUV/limo stunt" a reasonable thing to contemplate, even with all the work and risk involved. And if this were a more normal President, one who had real advisors and who thought about science and data, well, I'd be charitable....
I do transport of ebola and covid patients, and similar things. Just prepping and decontaminating the transport vehicle is a major undertaking. And the folks involved wear significant PPE.
That said, this is the President, not some random patient, and I can well imagine that national security concerns might make the sort of "drive around the block in the SUV/limo stunt" a reasonable thing to contemplate, even with all the work and risk involved. And if this were a more normal President, one who had real advisors and who thought about science and data, well, I'd be charitable....
I think it's a shame that he left Walter Reed, since it seems like there were people there who could manage his illness and his mental state, which I think is what he needs, and that all human beings deserve, even psychologically disturbed ones.
On the other hand, it's better for everyone at Walter Reed to have him gone, if he is going to endanger them by doing things like going out for car rides to wave at people.
Does my disgust and anger make sense? I watch frontline people work 12-15 hour days to control covid and then our dear leader throws it all to the wind.
Oh, Tammy, your colleagues are going through a lot of unnecessary work. Don't worry about it! They're making much ado about nothing. Plus, they're probably all Democrats doing this for the benefit of the Fake News outlets. And who cares if you can't wear bras anymore? I think bras are stupid anyway.
Teacher Terry
10-7-20, 6:06pm
Good one Catherine:))
Oh, Tammy, your colleagues are going through a lot of unnecessary work. Don't worry about it! They're making much ado about nothing. Plus, they're probably all Democrats doing this for the benefit of the Fake News outlets. And who cares if you can't wear bras anymore? I think bras are stupid anyway.
It's all virtue signaling. :devil:
Does my disgust and anger make sense? I watch frontline people work 12-15 hour days to control covid and then our dear leader throws it all to the wind.
You deserve to be FURIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hell, RNs here are receiving "reuse" N95 masks. Remember the days of single use? Long gone thanks to Cheeto-in-Chief!
DISGUSTING and HATEFUL Narcissist.
Another obviously angry RN!
I think it's a shame that he left Walter Reed, since it seems like there were people there who could manage his illness and his mental state, which I think is what he needs, and that all human beings deserve, even psychologically disturbed ones.
On the other hand, it's better for everyone at Walter Reed to have him gone, if he is going to endanger them by doing things like going out for car rides to wave at people.
No, he should have stayed at WR. He should be in a negative pressure space. He should be surrounded ONLY by people in full PPE: N95 mask, faceshields, gowns/suits, head to toe! Better yet PAPR devices.
He is wreckless with human life. His flagrant disrespect of anyone outside his own body is unforgiveable IMO!
No, he should have stayed at WR. He should be in a negative pressure space. He should be surrounded ONLY by people in full PPE: N95 mask, faceshields, gowns/suits, head to toe! Better yet PAPR devices.
He is wreckless with human life. His flagrant disrespect of anyone outside his own body is unforgiveable IMO!
I just find it so odd that if he was airlifted to Walter Reed, they did not put Pence in charge for 14 days and then put him in a real quarantine like you are describing, and give him something to sleep, to counteract all the steroids. I guess I don't understand how that whole thing works--I keep thinking of Reagan, and Alexander Haig.
I guess I don't understand how that whole thing works--I keep thinking of Reagan, and Alexander Haig.I think the difference is anesthesia.
I think the difference is anesthesia.
Exactly. Trump wasn't in a drug-disabling situation. That said, Dexamethazone is known for psych side effects.....he really shouldn't be making decisions.
frugal-one
10-9-20, 5:53am
Exactly. Trump wasn't in a drug-disabling situation. That said, Dexamethazone is known for psych side effects.....he really shouldn't be making decisions.
Sounds like he is going off the rails and needs to be subdued. Comments on twitter are unnerving. Time for an intervention.
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