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gimmethesimplelife
10-31-20, 1:44pm
Come again? Turns out that Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego was threatened by a Phoenix PD officer - due to her doing her job via implementing accountability procedures against Phoenix PD officers. Not only is human life not worth socialized medicine in America - but our police are so over the top and third world in nature and application that they see nothing wrong with threatening an elected official.
Welcome to American citizenship and what it's sinking to, folks. On this forum it can not be said that I have not been anything but brutally honest in this area. YMMV. But this is INDEED terrifying, unacceptable, and indicative of a society falling apart right in front of our eyes. Rob
Teacher Terry
10-31-20, 2:49pm
Rob, is there a link where we can read about it?
gimmethesimplelife
10-31-20, 3:21pm
https://www.azfamily.com/video/news-update-phoenix-police-officer-accused-of-threatening-mayor-kate-gallego-victims-identified-in-plane/video_5dab51dc-1e62-59e4-9f7d-7690fb2d386a.html
gimmethesimplelife
10-31-20, 3:24pm
Above find the local NBC affiliate in Phoenix's take on Mayor Gallego being threatened by someone obviously unfit to he a police officer and someone representing a clear and present threat to not only the Valley's 4.5 million residents but to society as a whole, too. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-31-20, 3:26pm
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/phoenix-mayors-office-credible-threat-to-harm-kate-gallego-made-by-member-of-phoenix-police-department
Here's another take on it. Rob
There don't seem to be a lot of details there.
gimmethesimplelife
10-31-20, 4:14pm
There don't seem to be a lot of details there.Threatening an elected official as a LEO? Seriously - each and every Valley resident deserves some kind of settlement fir this negligent hiring. There is no excuse PERIOD for such. Rob
Threatening an elected official as a LEO? Seriously - each and every Valley resident deserves some kind of settlement fir this negligent hiring. There is no excuse PERIOD for such. Rob
There don't seem to be any details, though. Just headlines and generalities.
There don't seem to be any details, though. Just headlines and generalities.
It seems that's what sparks the best outrage.
Arizona is not known for its transparency.
gimmethesimplelife
10-31-20, 5:08pm
Arizona is not known for its transparency.True that, Tammy. True that. Rob
Here’s an example the current craziness that causes fear in so many people
https://apple.news/AFy7d7G-3Q-qOzB92RXxYow
Good Lord, Tammy, that is awful. Thank you for sharing that; I am really shocked.
gimmethesimplelife
10-31-20, 5:44pm
Here’s an example the current craziness that causes fear in so many people
https://apple.news/AFy7d7G-3Q-qOzB92RXxYowI saw this online myself, too. This is the kind of situation I am thinking of that could so easily escalate. Add race and law enforcement to the mix, and with America ready to ignite at the slightest provocation.....who knows what's going to happen? Stay safe, Tammy. Rob
Here’s an example the current craziness that causes fear in so many people
https://apple.news/AFy7d7G-3Q-qOzB92RXxYow
That seems likely to result in bloodshed and prison terms.
frugal-one
11-1-20, 4:53am
That seems likely to result in bloodshed and prison terms.
Both Dons should be reprimanded. trump mentality.... beyond belief!
iris lilies
11-1-20, 9:33am
Here’s an example the current craziness that causes fear in so many people
https://apple.news/AFy7d7G-3Q-qOzB92RXxYow
This behavior is wrong wrong wrong.
And the Texas republican party chairman responded to the event with the following:
“Abby Livingston from The Texas Tribune reached out to the RPT today and asked a question about a Biden campaign bus in her attempt to portray conservatives as violent radicals, even though it is leftists from Antifa and BLM who have been assaulting, robbing, and looting fellow citizens and their property,” the Texas GOP said in its statement, which included the following response from West:
“Three Trump supporters have been executed, one in Portland, one in Denver, and one Milwaukee. A leftist mob attempted to storm the house of the McCloskeys, threatened to burn their house down, rape Mrs. McCloskey, and then kill them both.
“Where is the liberal corporate media’s concern about that real violence? Additionally, none of what your question implies is accurate. It is more fake news and propaganda.
“Prepare to lose...stop bothering me. Maybe (George) Soros can cut y’all another check in 2022.”
And trump's response:
On Saturday evening, President Donald Trump tweeted his delight.
“I love Texas!” Trump tweeted with a video of the scene over the soundtrack of Tech N9ne’s “Red Kingdom.
And trump supporters wonder why people call them deplorable.
Teacher Terry
11-1-20, 12:45pm
I would like to know why these people weren’t arrested.
I would like to know why these people weren’t arrested.In cases such as this I always suspect it's because their actions have been exaggerated for political purposes and it's not yet illegal to support candidates others don't like.
I would like to know why these people weren’t arrested.
Because they were republicans in trucks, not democrats standing on their feet.
iris lilies
11-1-20, 1:38pm
I would like to know why these people weren’t arrested.
Yes, we here have those same concerns when the mobs loot our businesses and set fire our downtown structures.
One realistic answer is that the mobs outman the cops.
Another realistic answer is that police administration do not want big police conflagrations with citizens of any stripe because people are hurt and maimed in those interactions.
Many of you seem to think the cops can really solve stuff, that they “ just have to do their jobs.”
I discovered the limitations Friday of police as I was a victim of identity theft and they would not help because they said they can only do so if a Social Security number is involved.
frugal-one
11-1-20, 2:07pm
In cases such as this I always suspect it's because their actions have been exaggerated for political purposes and it's not yet illegal to support candidates others don't like.
This goes beyond supporting a candidate... it is INTIMIDATION.
Just supports an article in today's paper...
If anything, the campaign has clarified how stratified the U.S. has become, with Trump's base of support coming from overwhelmingly white voters at lower income levels and education levels. More highly educated Americans, particularly women, and voters of color, most notably African Americans, have all but abandoned the Republican Party during Trump's four years in office.
The choice before voters is a referendum on the role of the presidency itself and a test of the sturdiness of democracy, with the president challenging the legitimacy of the outcome even before Election Day and law enforcement agencies braced for the possibility of civil unrest.
IMO Trump saying he approves of this action and sowing seeds of doubt about the election shows his attempt to continue to divide our nation!!! Sadly, it is working.
This goes beyond supporting a candidate... it is INTIMIDATION.
I don't know about that. Those Trump truck convoys have been going on in different cities since the summer, my area has had two on the beltway around the city in recent months. Having a Biden campaign bus drive into one seems more like an amusing stroke of bad luck than a concerted effort to intimidate whomever you claim was intimidated.
Also, I'm always leery of exaggerated reports made for political gain. Both sides do it but your side has a larger publication base. I think we'd all do well to view these reports with a questioning mind.
Teacher Terry
11-1-20, 3:18pm
The trucks were trying to run them off the road. The bus didn’t run into them. Nothing would have happened if the trucks weren’t surrounding and following them. This is a crime. IL many rioters do get arrested. If the police aren’t going to do a thing if they don’t agree politically it’s a problem. 3 restaurants in placerville California lost their licenses for not following state rules yet the local sheriff allows them to operate ignoring the law.
The trucks were trying to run them off the road. I read a claim to that affect, but most of what we read these days has a political slant so I prefer seeing evidence, which I haven't. It would seem there should be lots.
frugal-one
11-1-20, 3:35pm
I read a claim to that affect, but most of what we read these days has a political slant so I prefer seeing evidence, which I haven't. It would seem there should be lots.
Look at the video above....
happystuff
11-1-20, 3:36pm
[QUOTE=Alan;366489Those Trump truck convoys have been going on in different cities since the summer, [/QUOTE]
Just because they have been "going on" doesn't mean they are legal or proper or safe or not a form of intimidation. The continuation of specific actions does not legitimize (or make illegal, on the other hand) those actions.
I work for a church. A mid-size one in a mi-size town---across the river from PDX. The church has a reader board sign, usually with some typical church saying or event promotion. This summer #BLM was added to the bottom line of something about loving one another.
The sign was tagged shortly thereafter. Then --during a parking lot service (no in-church service allowed during COVID) ---I repeat DURING a service--- a pickup truck with large flags flying on both sides came through the parking lot and circled and exited.
Now would you call that intimidation? From what I've heard from lots of the little old ladies in attendance, it was.
Just because they have been "going on" doesn't mean they are legal or proper or safe or not a form of intimidation. The continuation of specific actions does not legitimize (or make illegal, on the other hand) those actions.
I guess that's the difference between us, I don't see a Trump banner and an American flag on a truck to be any more intimidating than a Biden sign in a neighbor's yard or a bumper sticker on their car.
Look at the video above....
I did. In one of them I saw an unmarked small car leave their lane of travel to hit a truck with a Trump banner and in both videos I observed lots of trucks in close proximity to the campaign bus. The only traffic violation I observed was the one mentioned. It's interesting to me that so many of these stories contain commentary that their own video does not support.
Maybe there's another video out there somewhere showing attempts to run the campaign bus off the road but as mentioned earlier, I haven't seen them.
It also concerns me to hear so many of you call for the arrest of people for doing something someone claimed, without proof. Those are the really scary folks.
frugal-one, don't you understand? The people on the bus calling 911 was just a nefarious evil plot by democrats to make trump supporters look more awful than they already are. But seriously, the reality is that no matter what they do the trump apologists will never believe that trump or his supporters ever do bad things.
happystuff
11-1-20, 4:18pm
I guess that's the difference between us, I don't see a Trump banner and an American flag on a truck to be any more intimidating than a Biden sign in a neighbor's yard or a bumper sticker on their car.
JUST a trump banner and an American flag on a truck nor a Biden sign in a yard or on a bumper sticker on a car are intimidating. It's the actions - verbal, physical, etc. of the people flaunting any of the above that are intimidating. Hate is hate - regardless of the banner, flag, bumper sticker, etc. being displayed. Intent and motivation go a long way - in thoughts, speech and actions. I think the difference between us is more that I really am saddened by the hate, while I honestly don't see any indication that such hate seems to bother you.
Knew I shouldn't pop back into the politics thread - my bad. :( I think I need to stay away from here for the upcoming week. Bye.
frugal-one, don't you understand? The people on the bus calling 911 was just a nefarious evil plot by democrats to make trump supporters look more awful than they already are.Didn't you guys come up with a term for those who call 911 for every perceived slight, maybe this was a 'Karen' moment?
But seriously, the reality is that no matter what they do the trump apologists will never believe that trump or his supporters ever do bad things.
Also seriously, I'm not a Trump apologist, I just prefer facts over propaganda, and damn near everything I read these days is propaganda. I can't wait for this election to be over.
To me, the decorated pickup trucks waving flags and huge Trump signs are evidence of the "well-regulated militia" the Founding Fathers must have imagined. Am I right? :|( God help us.
frugal-one
11-1-20, 5:15pm
Didn't you guys come up with a term for those who call 911 for every perceived slight, maybe this was a 'Karen' moment?
Also seriously, I'm not a Trump apologist, I just prefer facts over propaganda, and damn near everything I read these days is propaganda. I can't wait for this election to be over.[/COLOR]
That is, in fact, what a trump apologist thinks. Everything that is bad about trump or his supporters has to be fake news or propaganda. That is exactly what Hitler did to get the masses to fall in line with him.
I agree with you in that I can't wait for the elections to be over. I also hope there is no violence and no more ridiculous allegations of voter fraud.
That is, in fact, what a trump apologist thinks. Everything that is bad about trump or his supporters has to be fake news or propaganda.
Consider my experiences here today. In two different threads Biden supporters have posted links to stories (including video) where the proffered supporting evidence does not match the accusations made. Questioning those accusations doesn't make a person a Trump apologist, it's simply someone questioning the validity of the anti-Trump propagandists argument.
As someone constantly bringing up Hitler I'd think you would see the similarities of Joseph Goebbels work and stories such as those offered, especially in light of so many of you accepting every premise offered, regardless of the holes in them. That makes propaganda easy I guess.
(by the way there's another active thread here (http://www.simplelivingforum.net/showthread.php?18727-Why-facts-don-t-change-our-minds) relating to that subject, if you're interested.)
I live in a blue state but you would not think so. Trump supporters are much more enthusiastic with signs on trucks, yards, and overpasses, holding signs, bumper stickers, and in conversations. Like their candidate they are unafraid of covid so are out in public more supporting their candidate. I think people voting for Biden aren't enthusiastic about him they just hate Trump.
Consider my experiences here today. In two different threads Biden supporters have posted links to stories (including video) where the proffered supporting evidence does not match the accusations made. Questioning those accusations doesn't make a person a Trump apologist, it's simply someone questioning the validity of the anti-Trump propagandists argument.
As someone who has literally never, that I can recall, admitted that trump or any of his supporters have done anything wrong it's hard to take your perception on any of these events seriously. You even stood up for kyle rittenhouse, making up a story without any proof that it was true that he had gotten his mother to drive him to wisconsin under false pretexts with his gun hidden. But then you turn around and blame every single BLM protestor for the treatment the receive at the hands of the police regardless of the fact that the vast majority of them are nothing more than peaceful protestors.
You may not be a trump apologist but you certainly have a deeply slanted view. Trump should've nominated you for the supreme court.
As someone who has literally never, that I can recall, admitted that trump or any of his supporters have done anything wrong .....I think that's because I don't start any of these threads or initiate any of the accusations, I just comment on those you and others make.
You even stood up for kyle rittenhouse, making up a story without any proof that it was true that he had gotten his mother to drive him to wisconsin under false pretexts with his gun hidden.I don't recall having an opinion on that other than to suggest his mother may not have known he had a gun. I think it's a stretch to consider that a made up story.
But then you turn around and blame every single BLM protestor for the treatment the receive at the hands of the police regardless of the fact that the vast majority of them are nothing more than peaceful protestors. I think my consistent commentary on the riots and destruction would lean less towards your accusations and more to the simple fact that not every BLM protestor were violent arsonists and looters, but the vast majority of violent arsonists and looters were BLM protestors.
You may not be a trump apologist but you certainly have a deeply slanted view. Trump should've nominated you for the supreme court. I'm afraid I've probably missed my one and only opportunity for that honor. I'll be excluded from the probable next half dozen or so nominations due to the perception I have the wrong slant.
I'm afraid I've probably missed my one and only opportunity for that honor. I'll be excluded from the probable next half dozen or so nominations due to the perception I have the wrong slant.[/COLOR]
I suspect the reason will be that you have inadequate legal and judicial experience. The Democrats, unlike the republicans, actually require that of their nominees at all levels of the Federal courts.
I suspect the reason will be that you have inadequate legal and judicial experience. The Democrats, unlike the republicans, actually require that of their nominees at all levels of the Federal courts.Do they? An interesting factoid, do you know which two Supreme Court Justices lacked their Juris Doctorate(up till last month)? Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Of course their graduate degrees have little to do with their experience if they're Democratic icons, but I'd hate for one of the perceived conservative icons to be so poorly educated. We'd never hear the end of it. ;)
"Ginsburg switched schools, attending Columbia Law School to be close to her husband. In 1959, she graduated with her law degree, a Juris Doctor, from Columbia, and was tied for first in her class." https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/breaking-news-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/ar-BB19bS40
It took me awhile to verify this, as Ginsburg's career spanned such a dizzying breadth of accomplishments.
The JD has more to do with when the degree was granted and where. My mom's original law degree was a Bachelor of Laws in the late 40's. She was admitted to practice in front of the Georgia Supreme Court with that degree. In 1969, UGA bestowed on her the JD degree because they did that with everyone--it was to reflect a change in the degrees they awarded.
It was not that she did more to get a JD; I would not make any assumptions about lack of a JD as a degree from an earlier time.
I'm not sure my grandfather got any degree at all, but he had tried more cases in the state supreme court than anyone else at the time of his death. And he played a mean game of pool...
"Ginsburg switched schools, attending Columbia Law School to be close to her husband. In 1959, she graduated with her law degree, a Juris Doctor, from Columbia, and was tied for first in her class." https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/breaking-news-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/ar-BB19bS40
It took me awhile to verify this, as Ginsburg's career spanned such a dizzying breadth of accomplishments.I don't remember where I read my original assertion but I can't find it again. One of us is obviously wrong and I'll assume for the sake of collegiality it's me. (I only repeated it as a fun chide at JP1 anyway.):D
I'm not sure my grandfather got any degree at all, but he had tried more cases in the state supreme court than anyone else at the time of his death.
I think the world was once filled with self taught lawyers who still managed to achieve the only requirement necessary to practice the craft, successfully pass the bar examination.
I read recently that Virginia is the only state left that allows one to "read" the law, enabling someone to take the bar exam without a law degree.
I think the world was once filled with self taught lawyers who still managed to achieve the only requirement necessary to practice the craft, successfully pass the bar examination.
Indeed. Frank Abagnale, the inspiration for the movie "Catch Me if You Can" who forged a harvard law degree and subsequently passed the Louisiana bar, would have likely been a very competent lawyer if he had wanted to be, and if he hadn't quit that job before being exposed as a fake harvard grad by one of his coworkers who was a real harvard grad.
Shocker. Trumpy assholes aren’t just threatening a Biden bus. They’re acting like threatening jerks all over the place.
It will be fun (And pathetic) to hear the trump apologist’s justify their behavior after justifying the pepper soraying and arresting of peaceful demonstrators in N.C. for the evil of standing in a street.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-caravans-rallies-highways/2020/11/01/7e80c48a-1c8a-11eb-8b18-db150c1e65f1_story.html
rosarugosa
11-2-20, 9:09am
Alan: I watched the video in the link posted by Tammy over and over again, and I cannot for the life of me see anything other than the black truck pushing the white vehicle out of it's lane, nor can I understand how anyone else can see something different. I mean, I really tried hard to see it differently.
Alan: I watched the video in the link posted by Tammy over and over again, and I cannot for the life of me see anything other than the black truck pushing the white vehicle out of it's lane, nor can I understand how anyone else can see something different. I mean, I really tried hard to see it differently.You have to watch closely because the camera was pointed elsewhere when the white car lunged across the dividing line towards the truck, there's only a very brief view of the car crossing the line before the truck retaliated by pushing the car back into it's lane.
early morning
11-2-20, 11:48am
You have to watch closely because the camera was pointed elsewhere when the white car lunged across the dividing line towards the truck, there's only a very brief view of the car crossing the line before the truck retaliated by pushing the car back into it's lane.
I've watched it closely. Stopped the video and advanced it a click at a time. What I see is the white car hugging the bus bumper. When the bus moved from the middle lane to the far right (to try to not be surrounded perhaps? no way to tell) the car tried to move with it, as a unit. I've done this particular maneuver myself while traveling in pack- it's a standard, albeit unsafe, protect-the-rear tactic. Anyway, the black truck, already IN the right lane, is having none of it and seems to speed up and force the white car off the bus bumper. That's what I see, anyway.
I've watched it closely. Stopped the video and advanced it a click at a time. What I see is the white car hugging the bus bumper. When the bus moved from the middle lane to the far right (to try to not be surrounded perhaps? no way to tell) the car tried to move with it, as a unit. I've done this particular maneuver myself while traveling in pack- it's a standard, albeit unsafe, protect-the-rear tactic. Anyway, the black truck, already IN the right lane, is having none of it and seems to speed up and force the white car off the bus bumper. That's what I see, anyway.
So you agree that the only evidence of anyone attempting to run someone off the road was the white car as it attempted to secure an already taken space behind the bus?
early morning
11-2-20, 12:53pm
No, the white car was already behind the bus, and was attempting to move to the far right as one with the bus. The black truck looks to be speeding up to close the gap and not allow both vehicles to move together into the far right lane. Legally, the car/bus combo is NOT a single vehicle and no, the car should not have been that close to the bus to begin with. However it's clear to me that the black truck was NOT already behind the bus, but was attempting to get there as the car is attempting to STAY there. It was an asshole move on BOTH drivers' parts, but the truck clearly is the much more aggressive of the two.
I saw more video today. They had that bus boxed in on all sides, following very closely and the in one front simultaneously slowing down - it was clearly planned and was threatening. I never see people drive this way. It’s not normal.
There is no excuse.
You have to watch closely because the camera was pointed elsewhere when the white car lunged across the dividing line towards the truck, there's only a very brief view of the car crossing the line before the truck retaliated by pushing the car back into it's lane.
So when a car starts to get cut into one’s lane the appropriate reaction is to slam one’s vehicle into it? I don’t remember learning that in driver’s ed.
Some weeks back, our local BLM protesters decided to protest by continually walking in a circular pattern on the pedestrian crossing sections of the one/only/main intersection in our village, which is a T intersection controlled by stopsigns.
As I approached the intersection, the continual stream of people with signs blocked me for a minute or two, waving their signs, until they parted, and allowed me into the "box" of the intersection. At which point the pedestrian circle-march immediately resumed, trapping me in the "box". Protesters from all sides waved their signs at me, and shouted. I was unable to move forwards, backwards, or to make the left turn.
I was detained, against my will, for minutes, so they could wave their signs and yell at me and approach my vehicle repeatedly in an aggressive display.
Now, in this state, that's arguably several felonies... And can be responded to as such.
I was in a very very small car, 4-5 of them could easily have simply tipped the vehicle over.
I almost abandoned the vehicle in the intersection, as I was unable to proceed or escape, and my motion was clearly only by the permission of the mob.
I wasn't quite sure what to do.
I did have sufficient armament in the vehicle to simply slaughter them all to make my escape, but that seemed a bit unsporting and likely to result in a lot of paperwork.
Some weeks back, our local BLM protesters decided to protest by continually walking in a circular pattern on the pedestrian crossing sections of the one/only/main intersection in our village, which is a T intersection controlled by stopsigns.
As I approached the intersection, the continual stream of people with signs blocked me for a minute or two, waving their signs, until they parted, and allowed me into the "box" of the intersection. At which point the pedestrian circle-march immediately resumed, trapping me in the "box". Protesters from all sides waved their signs at me, and shouted. I was unable to move forwards, backwards, or to make the left turn.
I was detained, against my will, for minutes, so they could wave their signs and yell at me and approach my vehicle repeatedly in an aggressive display.
Now, in this state, that's arguably several felonies... And can be responded to as such.
I was in a very very small car, 4-5 of them could easily have simply tipped the vehicle over.
I almost abandoned the vehicle in the intersection, as I was unable to proceed or escape, and my motion was clearly only by the permission of the mob.
I wasn't quite sure what to do.
I did have sufficient armament in the vehicle to simply slaughter them all to make my escape, but that seemed a bit unsporting and likely to result in a lot of paperwork.
Blocked Lives Matter
I’m sure many hearts and minds were changed that day, and police intervention would have escalated the situation into violence and visual anecdotes for Youtube. Consider the whole incident to be part of our long-overdue conversation on race.
Blocked Lives Matter
I’m sure many hearts and minds were changed that day, and police intervention would have escalated the situation into violence and visual anecdotes for Youtube. Consider the whole incident to be part of our long-overdue conversation on race.
When I had a chat with some of the organizers later, they explicitly said they wanted people to "feel the fear" so we would develop some understanding...
When I had a chat with some of the organizers later, they explicitly said they wanted people to "feel the fear" so we would develop some understanding...
Sounds like a good working definition of terrorism.
Although in this case it seems more a case of feeling the annoyance.
Sounds like a good working definition of terrorism.
Although in this case it seems more a case of feeling the annoyance.
Well, it gave me motivation to get the ring/pintle mount for my Browning up-and-running again on my armored Hummer H1, so there's that.
(I was actually a bit afraid, afraid that someone would accidentally get squished by the cars, especially as they were darting in from the blind spots. My little Fiat 500E would probably not have caused them any harm, it's essentially a toy vehicle, but still...)
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