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gimmethesimplelife
11-4-20, 10:47am
Arizona just flipped blue! Mark Kelley won over Martha McSally and recreational marijuana with a tax rate of 16% passed!!! I always KNEW Arizona had potential - I just instinctively grasped this. At least both Senators here are DEMS and our Republican governor is more hated by the day due to being a Trumppuppet that could care less regarding Arizona residents dying of covid.
At least Arizona can look the world square in the eye - Biden took Arizona, too. Should Trump be reelected, Arizona does for once hold.moral high ground. Rob
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Teacher Terry
11-4-20, 1:22pm
That’s great!!
In the last decade it seems that the individual states are making decisions, rather than waiting for leadership from our capital. Examples: The AZ republican governor expanded Medicaid back in the day. Almost all states have decriminalized marijuana. Various states led in gay marriage, then finally it was confirmed in Washington for everyone.
This seems like a change from prior to about the year 2005. This also feels like what the south wanted in 1860 - states rights.
rosarugosa
11-4-20, 4:31pm
Good work, Rob!
So now are you happy to stay in the US?
frugal-one
11-4-20, 9:06pm
Time will tell.
So now are you happy to stay in the US?
The real question is whether he will continue to wear a mask or whether he'd rather just kill off the old folks.
iris lilies
11-5-20, 2:04pm
Time will tell.Time will also tell if Arizona is really going blue for the presidential race.
Rob had something in common with Donald Trump – declaring victory before results are completely known.
Time will also tell if Arizona is really going blue for the presidential race.
Bob had something in common with Donald Trump – declaring victory before results are completely known.
I see the New York Times hasn’t called it yet.
Teacher Terry
11-5-20, 4:45pm
In all fairness to Rob both the AP and CNN called Arizona prematurely.
In all fairness to Rob both the AP and CNN called Arizona prematurely.
As did Fox.
iris lilies
11-5-20, 4:52pm
In all fairness to Rob both the AP and CNN called Arizona prematurely.
Meanwhile, my prediction of Biden winning by 4 points is on target. Depending on which news source one uses, he’s 3% up.
I will be leaving my flyover state to move to Washington DC and open up my polling company where I will make scads of money from the Washington politicians. Yes, it is the “iris lilies poll “ you will want to watch in the year 2024.
Remember, you heard it first here.
Teacher Terry
11-5-20, 4:56pm
IL, can I work for you:))?
iris lilies
11-5-20, 5:00pm
IL, can I work for you:))?
I’m sorry, but no. I will not have any employees because they cost money and eat into my profits. My election predictions will be spit balling it, depending how my gut feels at the time. No methodology, no actual contact with voters, none of that. I will have a fancy office and put my feet up on the desk most of the day to play on the Internet while giving the apoearance of working. Important politicians will take me to dinner and drinks because they think I have secrets of the voters. I will get to go to the best DC parties!
Teacher Terry
11-5-20, 5:07pm
Wow I thought we were friends? Hogging all the goodies for yourself I see!!
iris lilies
11-5-20, 6:49pm
Wow I thought we were friends? Hogging all the goodies for yourself I see!!
Ok, We can set up an occasional consulting contract for you then!
gimmethesimplelife
11-5-20, 7:30pm
I’m sorry, but no. I will not have any employees because they cost money and eat into my profits. My election predictions will be spit balling it, depending how my gut feels at the time. No methodology, no actual contact with voters, none of that. I will have a fancy office and put my feet up on the desk most of the day to play on the Internet while giving the apoearance of working. Important politicians will take me to dinner and drinks because they think I have secrets of the voters. I will get to go to the best DC parties!Is there anything in the 85006 for this?
LOL Just kidding, IL. This about Arizona being called too early is annoying. There needs to be standardized criteria nationwide for such a call to take place methinks.....but even if we rejoin the dark side, both AZ Senators will still be DEMS and marijuana is soon to be legal. Rob
This about Arizona being called too early is annoying. There needs to be standardized criteria nationwide for such a call to take place methinks....
There is a standardized criteria for reporting and tallying the results, it's mentioned in the US Constitution.
As to restricting the free speech of whichever random news outlet you are watching to offer their opinions "early", well.... foolishness.
I’m sorry, but no. I will not have any employees because they cost money and eat into my profits. My election predictions will be spit balling it, depending how my gut feels at the time. No methodology, no actual contact with voters, none of that. I will have a fancy office and put my feet up on the desk most of the day to play on the Internet while giving the apoearance of working. Important politicians will take me to dinner and drinks because they think I have secrets of the voters. I will get to go to the best DC parties!
Why do you think that your process will be any different than the current pollsters?
To be fair, I have no idea how polling really works because I have never been polled. I am not in the phone book, I don't answer an incoming phone number that I do not recognize and have not been in a focus group so my viewpoint is missing. I doubt that what a person states in public is what they might choose at the critical moment. People are rarely that logical but there are exceptions.
Until the electoral college casts their votes, everything is speculation, according to the rules of this game.
I think the real problem today is that it’s harder to get representative samples now than in the days of land lines and door to door canvassing. I think a lot of people refuse to answer questions honestly, either out of distrust of who may be asking or a sheer sense of mischief. And who can blame them in an era of push-polling or fund-raising pretending to be polls?
The Cato Institute, which I believe leans right/Libertarian, published a poll whose findings might have raised a red flag about the reliability of subsequent polls:
https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share
Early analysis of the 2020 returns shows Trump's support fell in only one group: white males. It rose among BIPOC of both sexes and among white women.
iris lilies
11-7-20, 10:24am
Well, I am the pollsters dream because I
1. Have a landline
2. answer it regardless of who is at the other end ( we don’t have caller ID)
3. Like to take polls
4. Give honest answers
not once did anyone call me to ask me opinion this season. Usually we get a few polling calls each year, especially about local events because we are on record as voting in every election.
anymore though my landline is full of junk calls. The number one call is a Robo call that is silence at the other end. The number two call in the past six weeks has been Donald Trump. Sometimes he calls me twice a day. That did not increase my love for the Donald. The number three spam call we get is from publishers of these industrial magazines that DH has received for decades and I keep telling them cancel that subscription but we keep getting piles of these stupid things like Food Processing Today and Animal Feeds etc.
Teacher Terry
11-7-20, 11:29am
We got rid of our landline because it was just junk calls and we weren’t answering it anymore. I don’t mind taking polls and tell the truth.
ToomuchStuff
11-7-20, 12:40pm
The number three spam call we get is from publishers of these industrial magazines that DH has received for decades and I keep telling them cancel that subscription but we keep getting piles of these stupid things like Food Processing Today and Animal Feeds etc.
Have you been asking them for the address of accounts payable, for the bill for disposal of these?
My SO used to answer his landline--beccause he would literally talk to anyone. I have my ringer turned off, so I have no idea who calls me; I only use it for outgoing calls to friends, or for business.
We haven't had a landline in 14 years. And my cell # is a NYC area code, so I don't know how the pollsters would find me.
rosarugosa
11-7-20, 1:22pm
IL: Caller ID is one of my very favorite modern inventions! We probably only answer 1% of the calls we receive.
So now are you happy to stay in the US?
Rob you didn't answer my question.
iris lilies
11-7-20, 1:39pm
Have you been asking them for the address of accounts payable, for the bill for disposal of these?
We don’t pay for them.
I never answer if the number isn't in my contact list. 99% of the time it's either the people worried about my social security account, or the people worried that the (non-existent) warranty on my 18 year old car is about to expire, or the Chinese bank people (they are probably worried too, but since I don't speak Chinese I can't say that with certainty.). If I were a quadruple amputee I'd still have enough fingers and toes to count the times I've missed an important call by not answering unknown numbers.
iris lilies
11-7-20, 7:50pm
IL: Caller ID is one of my very favorite modern inventions! We probably only answer 1% of the calls we receive.
Dont you hsve to pay for caller ID? Besides, I have a retro wall phone that doesn’t have any place for a read out to tell me who’s calling.
Dont you hsve to pay for caller ID? Besides, I have a retro wall phone that doesn’t have any place for a read out to tell me who’s calling.
It depends on your plan what you pay. I have digital phone service (VOIP, I believe ) and the plan includes the internet, x-Canada calling 24/7, call answer, call display, call e-message and a minimal charge for calling the US and elsewhere. The disadvantage is that when the power is out, so is my phone so I take my cellphone with me at night.
Those retro phones were a part of my early life and easy to adjust to one's height. It brings back memories of party line conversations and the snoopy listener which actually lasted quite a long time in the countryside.
Once DH and I were coming back from visiting family in the east and had driven through Quebec. Someone phoned our house before we got back and a neighbour learned that it was the Quebec police who made a number of calls trying to connect with us. No further details were shared with the neighbour. When we got home we learned from the police that we had been accused to leaving the scene of an accident in Montreal. Turned out there was a scam going on against out-of-province visitors to Montreal trying to accuse them of crashing into cars and leaving the scene of the accident. DH explained our visit passing through and other needed details and the officer told us not to worry about it. That neighbour who had initially answered the party line kept asking us how our holiday had gone and we said 'fine'. Other neighbours questioned us as well. It was amusing to see the nosiness involved. Funny how we forget these things.
Dont you hsve to pay for caller ID? Besides, I have a retro wall phone that doesn’t have any place for a read out to tell me who’s calling.
Since I haven't had a landline in over a decade I can't answer the question about cost, but I seem to recall from back in my youth that people who wanted caller ID on an antique phone had a separate display that plugged into the phone jack and then the phone into the caller ID display in the same way that an old school answering machine was used.
It depends on your plan what you pay. I have digital phone service (VOIP, I believe ) and the plan includes the internet, x-Canada calling 24/7, call answer, call display, call e-message and a minimal charge for calling the US and elsewhere. The disadvantage is that when the power is out, so is my phone so I take my cellphone with me at night.
Those retro phones were a part of my early life and easy to adjust to one's height. It brings back memories of party line conversations and the snoopy listener which actually lasted quite a long time in the countryside.
Once DH and I were coming back from visiting family in the east and had driven through Quebec. Someone phoned our house before we got back and a neighbour learned that it was the Quebec police who made a number of calls trying to connect with us. No further details were shared with the neighbour. When we got home we learned from the police that we had been accused to leaving the scene of an accident in Montreal. Turned out there was a scam going on against out-of-province visitors to Montreal trying to accuse them of crashing into cars and leaving the scene of the accident. DH explained our visit passing through and other needed details and the officer told us not to worry about it. That neighbour who had initially answered the party line kept asking us how our holiday had gone and we said 'fine'. Other neighbours questioned us as well. It was amusing to see the nosiness involved. Funny how we forget these things.
Geez, how long ago was this??? The only people I ever knew to have a party line were my very rural grandparents when I was a kid back in the 70's/80's. By the early 80's it had been reduced down to one other "party" and the system had gotten sophisticated enough that it only rang at whoever's house was being called, although you could still pick up the phone and interrupt the other party if they were talking to someone. By the mid-80's even that got dropped and my grandparents had a private line.
iris lilies
11-7-20, 9:29pm
We had a party line when I was a kid. That would have been the 1960’s.
We had a party line when I was a kid. That would have been the 1960’s.
Grandparents and aunt in rural Ohio all had party lines in the '60s.
jp1, you are making me laugh. The 70's and 80's are not that long ago. The man on the moon moment was in the 60's. Technology has developed rapidly. Did I read somewhere that the development doubles every year so what was new in the 70's is very passe now. My 16 year old DGS was telling me how much technology had changed since he was 12.
My grandparents had a party line up through the late 60's, we kids were known to pick up the phone and listen in whenever we were fairly sure Grandma wouldn't catch us. Their ring was one long and two shorts. My parents didn't have a phone at all until we moved into town when I was in the 6th grade and it was a private line. Back in those days they prefaced different phone exchanges with a word where the first two letters corresponded to the first two numbers in the phone number, ours was GRanite 1-1247 and my grandmothers was NIagara 9-3458. My mother still has that number.
ToomuchStuff
11-8-20, 12:07am
We don’t pay for them.
Reread!!!!!!!!
Accounts PAYABLE, not receivable. Where they pay you for disposal of the trash they mail you.
I don't know for sure when my grandmothers party line became a single line, but memory says in the 80's. After I bought the house, I had my own number, but somewhere, there was still some sort of switch that had them crossed. I called the phone company, from a neighbors, when my phone was shut off and was current on the bill. They were trying to figure out why, and when I asked why, that was what was told to me.
If it weren't for 50% taxes (doubling the bill) and the removal of payphones, I still wouldn't have a cell phone.
frugal-one
11-8-20, 6:06am
I have a landline too. Keep it in case of power outages and when giving credit card or personal info over the phone. Used to be that cell calls could be intercepted. Not sure if that is still true? Have other phones in the house that have caller ID. Took a “How to protect yourself from fraud and unscrupulous people” class one time and was told not to answer calls from unknown numbers. Told of numerous cases of your voice being recorded and used in dubious situations. Such as the word yes.... to get you on the hook for things. Hard to dispute because it WAS your voice giving permission. Also, interestingly, this election we have had few robocalls. Perhaps because we don’t answer the phone.??
rosarugosa
11-8-20, 7:44am
We don't pay extra for caller ID. We have an older style landline on the kitchen wall, but we also have a set of 3 cordless units throughout the house and those have the caller ID display.
frugal-one
11-8-20, 1:08pm
We don't pay extra for caller ID. We have an older style landline on the kitchen wall, but we also have a set of 3 cordless units throughout the house and those have the caller ID display.
Exactly the same here.
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-20, 9:25pm
Rob you didn't answer my question.Sorry, I just saw it. So-so. We are thinking of retirement in Columbia, actually - much safer than it once was and cheap. Rob
frugal-one
11-21-20, 9:33pm
Sorry, I just saw it. So-so. We are thinking of retirement in Columbia, actually - much safer than it once was and cheap. Rob
Have you been there to check it out?
gimmethesimplelife
11-21-20, 10:10pm
Have you been there to check it out?No. And yes....would not move there sight unseen. Rob
Since I haven't had a landline in over a decade I can't answer the question about cost, but I seem to recall from back in my youth that people who wanted caller ID on an antique phone had a separate display that plugged into the phone jack and then the phone into the caller ID display in the same way that an old school answering machine was used.
Yes, that’s how I had caller ID around 1997 or so. I think it was $5/month.
Sorry, I just saw it. So-so. We are thinking of retirement in Columbia, actually - much safer than it once was and cheap. Rob
The grass is always greener ... or is it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/colombia-police-protest-javier-ordonez/2020/10/05/c8f2df86-0438-11eb-897d-3a6201d6643f_story.html
What does it say, Yppej? I always get a paywall with the Washington Post, unfortunately.
It's about police brutality in Colombia including in this small country since 2017
40,481 documented cases of physical violence,
639 homicides,
241 sexual assaults,
and harassment of protestors. Some victims are Afro Colombian and some parallels to George Floyd are drawn.
gimmethesimplelife
11-29-20, 10:14pm
It's about police brutality in Colombia including in this small country since 2017
40,481 documented cases of physical violence,
639 homicides,
241 sexual assaults,
and harassment of protestors. Some victims are Afro Colombian and some parallels to George Floyd are drawn.Ick. I stand corrected, apparently. Rob
iris lilies
11-30-20, 12:56pm
Ick. I stand corrected, apparently. Rob
wait – this is for the entire country of Colombia of 20 some million? What? Hell my city reaches that homicide rate in 5 year clumps.
However I did scan Google hit lists about Columbia and one of them came up with the idea that “inequality “is a very serious problem in Columbia and it ranks number 7 on someone’s “inequality “scale. I also doubt that police enforcers are kind you’re caring there too people of color or people without means.
I have a good friend who lived in Colombia for some years.
He speaks the language. His wife is from Colombia, and has family there. He had great pre-existing government and business contacts before moving from the USA.
He ran a small nice hotel/cafe, and a decent sized cattle ranch.
The corruption, crime, and human rights issues became overwhelming. They now live in Florida.
The corruption, crime, and human rights issues became overwhelming. They now live in Florida.
Is that really much of an improvement?
Is that really much of an improvement?
I suspect that gives you some context as to just how bad it was :-)
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