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gimmethesimplelife
11-14-20, 11:10am
Trump - from the White House, I mean. What do you think? I'm afraid of this image being seared into the minds of the rest of the world and the economic implications in a country with such extreme inequality.
Seriously, I wish the man had never been elected. Even in departure he remains a liability. Rob
iris lilies
11-14-20, 11:24am
Trump - from the White House, I mean. What do you think? I'm afraid of this image being seared into the minds of the rest of the world and the economic implications in a country with such extreme inequality.
Seriously, I wish the man had never been elected. Even in departure he remains a liability. Rob
I don’t care what my Austrian relatives think. Or my Swiss relatives.
They have their own troubles.
gimmethesimplelife
11-14-20, 11:33am
I don’t care what my Austrian relatives think. Or my Swiss relatives.
They have their own troubles.If only it were just Austria and Switzerland that now see America even more as it really is.....I'm afraid this one's worldwide at this point. Rob
Teacher Terry
11-14-20, 11:46am
He will leave although lots of funny memes on Facebook with him being rolled out in his desk and chair:))
iris lilies
11-14-20, 11:47am
He will leave although lots of funny memes on Facebook with him being rolled out in his desk and chair:))
Agreed, Trump will leave,
Melania and Jared are working on getting him to leave.
I think Trump is too conceited to create a dragging out situation.
I don’t see much point in caring about what other countries think of us; as if the world where a giant high school cafeteria. I don’t see much value in apology tours to countries that might not exist in the absence of our security umbrella.
ApatheticNoMore
11-14-20, 12:45pm
I see the rest of the world moving away from the U.S. as a rather positive development, one of the few possibly good fallouts of Trump? If the U.S. could be the moral leader it imagines itself only in it's fantasies, that ship has sailed, and the world needed to see that it had sailed. The U.S. spent as much time BEFORE TRUMP watering down say climate treaties as it did taking them remotely seriously. But anyway bases of power shift away from the U.S. for reasons other than just Trump of course, of course China is the manufacturing powerhouse, and of course the East, not the West is able to competently handle a pandemic (except Finland, and NZ, yes there are a few, but look at much of Europe - and even Europe will probably end up better at handling it than the U.S. when all is said and done. And people notice it, they note competence, versus incompetence bordering on genocide). A young woman from China was interviewed, she was studying in Europe, and was able to get a coronavirus vaccine in China before going back to Europe and took it. She said she used to see her future in Europe, but given how they handled the pandemic, now sees it in China.
I see the rest of the world moving away from the U.S. as a rather positive development, one of the few possibly good fallouts of Trump? If the U.S. could be the moral leader it imagines itself only in it's fantasies, that ship has sailed, and the world needed to see that it had sailed. The U.S. spent as much time BEFORE TRUMP watering down say climate treaties as it did taking them remotely seriously. But anyway bases of power shift away from the U.S. for reasons other than just Trump of course, of course China is the manufacturing powerhouse, and of course the East, not the West is able to competently handle a pandemic (except Finland, and NZ, yes there are a few, but look at much of Europe - and even Europe will probably end up better at handling it than the U.S. when all is said and done. And people notice it, they note competence, versus incompetence bordering on genocide). A young woman from China was interviewed, she was studying in Europe, and was able to get a coronavirus vaccine in China before going back to Europe and took it. She said she used to see her future in Europe, but given how they handled the pandemic, now sees it in China.
I wonder how the Uighurs feel about their future in China.
JaneV2.0
11-14-20, 12:56pm
I'd love to see a disheveled Trump hauled away screaming curses at reporters, but I'm guessing he'll just slink out the back door with fantasies of starting a network to rival Fox and adding to his ragtag pack of perennial true believers.
I agree with ANM that the world is rightly turning away from the US as a world leader; we've clearly jumped the shark.
ApatheticNoMore
11-14-20, 1:05pm
I wonder how the Uighurs feel about their future in China.
I knew people were going to read into that things I didn't write but I get tired of endless disclaimers for the manichaean. Like I have to spell out this is not a total moral defense of China, when that is simply not there in what I said. It's like every time one might criticize say Biden one has to write out this isn't a moral defense of Trump of all people, or if they criticize Trump they have to write out: this doesn't mean I support the entire of everything Biden might ever do etc..
I think things are shifting quite independent of morality, in actuality. Do I think the U.S. has deserved the moral mantle if it ever did (maybe after WWII). No it hasn't, in decades, but it doesn't mean China will. I don't know who is really up for the job. But the U.S. has failed at the leading the world business, so I'm not against somewhere else taking their chance at it so much. Globally we have big problems. I mean quite independent of whether the economic power is in the U.S. or China (and there are many reasons not to bet on the U.S. - we don't even prioritize educating our children in a pandemic), we have climate chaos that's going to mess up everything hard, and so weather might end up being as important as manufacturing strength long term.
The White House is just a building.
I knew people were going to read into that things I didn't write but I get tired of endless disclaimers for the manichaean. Like I have to spell out this is not a total moral defense of China, when that is simply not there in what I said. It's like every time one might criticize say Biden one has to write out this isn't a moral defense of Trump of all people, or if they criticize Trump they have to write out: this doesn't mean I support the entire of everything Biden might ever do etc..
I think things are shifting quite independent of morality, in actuality. Do I think the U.S. has deserved the moral mantle if it ever did (maybe after WWII). No it hasn't, in decades, but it doesn't mean China will. I don't know who is really up for the job. But the U.S. has failed at the leading the world business, so I'm not against somewhere else taking their chance at it so much. Globally we have big problems. I mean quite independent of whether the economic power is in the U.S. or China (and there are many reasons not to bet on the U.S. - we don't even prioritize educating our children in a pandemic), we have climate chaos that's going to mess up everything hard, and so weather might end up being as important as manufacturing strength long term.
People used to make the same sort of arguments about how the superior effectiveness of the Third Reich, the Soviet Union or the coming EU superstate would dominate the future. Check back with me in fifty years, but I like our chances.
iris lilies
11-14-20, 1:39pm
Melania and Jared are working on getting him to leave.
But I haven’t heard where the real decision maker, Ivanka, is in this issue.
Have we leaped in to bravely defend the Uighurs lately? I haven't seen more than the usual condemnatory words.
iris lilies
11-14-20, 2:04pm
Have we leaped in to bravely defend the Uighurs lately? I haven't seen more than the usual condemnatory words.
Jesus Christ on a cracker, do we have to save everyone in the damn world? Do you want us to take on the Chinese girly?
Why don’t we let someone over closer to that part of the world, maybe their Muslim compatriots, help them a little bit.
I more than anyone tire of justice warriors posting moralistic homilies on social media. But in this case I do think there’s not much else the average American ( or .Canadian, or
new .Zealander, or etc you know white saviors) can do to help this particular hotspot of misery in the world. And there are many hotspots of misery. Many many.
frugal-one
11-14-20, 3:12pm
I think Trump is too conceited to create a dragging out situation.
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DH says to watch to see if all the paintings or all articles of value are still there after trump leaves.
Not a new problem:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121856&page=1
iris lilies
11-14-20, 3:25pm
Not a new problem:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121856&page=1
That is hilarious, I forgot that. I would love to a bit of friend of Hillary’s just to understand what was going through her mind when she took the stuff that wasn’t even worth much. Maybe that’s why she took it because it wasn’t super old or valuable and she thought it wasn’t intended for to be a White House furnishing. And probably they won’t, When it comes down to it.
Unsolicited gifts won’t necessarily stay as a permanent fixture of the White House.
DH says to watch to see if all the paintings or all articles of value are still there after trump leaves.
I wonder if Biden will keep the bust of Churchill his old boss had removed.
Jesus Christ on a cracker, do we have to save everyone in the damn world? Do you want us to take on the Chinese girly?
Why don’t we let someone over closer to that part of the world, maybe their Muslim compatriots, help them a little bit.
I more than anyone tire of justice warriors posting moralistic homilies on social media. But in this case I do think there’s not much else the average American ( or .Canadian, or
new .Zealander, or etc you know white saviors) can do to help this particular hotspot of misery in the world. And there are many hotspots of misery. Many many.
That was a response to LDAHL's "I wonder how the Uighurs feel about their future in China."
I'd be happy if there were something we could do in their behalf, but I agree there are countries more suitable that should intervene.
That was a response to LDAHL's "I wonder how the Uighurs feel about their future in China."
I'd be happy if there were something we could do in their behalf, but I agree there are countries more suitable that should intervene.
I think people who look at China and see the future should consider all the facets.
I’m curious who you think those more suitable countries are. Maybe they could assist with China’s colonization efforts in the South China Sea and the National Basketball Association.
happystuff
11-15-20, 2:02pm
Jesus Christ on a cracker, do we have to save everyone in the damn world? Do you want us to take on the Chinese girly?
Why don’t we let someone over closer to that part of the world, maybe their Muslim compatriots, help them a little bit.
I more than anyone tire of justice warriors posting moralistic homilies on social media. But in this case I do think there’s not much else the average American ( or .Canadian, or
new .Zealander, or etc you know white saviors) can do to help this particular hotspot of misery in the world. And there are many hotspots of misery. Many many.
Love the "jesus christ on a cracker"... lol.
But, fortunately there are people who care and try to do something for other people. I know you have stated that you don't particularly care for dealings with people so don't worry - the "we" and "us" you refer to doesn't need to include you personally, but others do. Yes, there are MANY hotspots of misery in the world, but -again - kudos to those who try to help - even just a little - instead of just throwing their hands up in the air and saying "there's too many so don't help any".
I also love the "turn on the tap water" gratitude analogy and I'm so grateful for the "luxuries" I have in my daily life. Another reason to try to do something - no matter how small - to help those without such things.
Again, it is an individual choice to do or not do, but for goodness sake, why complain about those trying to do something good??
iris lilies
11-15-20, 2:15pm
Love the "jesus christ on a cracker"... lol.
But, fortunately there are people who care and try to do something for other people. I know you have stated that you don't particularly care for dealings with people so don't worry - the "we" and "us" you refer to doesn't need to include you personally, but others do. Yes, there are MANY hotspots of misery in the world, but -again - kudos to those who try to help - even just a little - instead of just throwing their hands up in the air and saying "there's too many so don't help any".
I also love the "turn on the tap water" gratitude analogy and I'm so grateful for the "luxuries" I have in my daily life. Another reason to try to do something - no matter how small - to help those without such things.
Again, it is an individual choice to do or not do, but for goodness sake, why complain about those trying to do something good??
why complain? For the reason I implied but didn't clearly state: United States government needs to not run to every hotspot of misery and throw dollars at it which may or may not help.In the business of taking on China, I think it is pretty obvious that I have a stake in that matter which could blow up into a conflagration.
If you as private citizen wish to go do something by all means go do something.And, that might be throwing your private dollars at privately funded do-Gooder entities.
happystuff
11-15-20, 2:20pm
why complain? For the reason I implied but didn't clearly state: United States government needs to not run to every hotspot of misery and throw dollars at it which may or may not help.In the business of taking on China, I think it is pretty obvious that I have a stake in that matter which could blow up into a conflagration.
If you as private citizen wish to go do something by all means go do something.And, that might be throwing your private dollars at privately funded do-Gooder entities.
LOL. Got it, but as the U.S. Government doesn't run to EVERY hotspot of misery in the "damn world", I am happy for those places my country does help. We definitely disagree on this, which is fine. :)
I think people who look at China and see the future should consider all the facets.
I’m curious who you think those more suitable countries are. Maybe they could assist with China’s colonization efforts in the South China Sea and the National Basketball Association.
Turkey and the Arab oil countries both have a stronger ethnic connection to the Uighurs than we do, and anti-Muslim sentiment isn't confined to China, as you may have noticed. China has been oppressing all kinds of people, including its ethnic Chinese, for decades.
In a perfect world, the Chinese people would overthrow its government and allow the Uighurs and the people of Hong Kong to live freely. But it's far from a perfect world.
Turkey and the Arab oil countries both have a stronger ethnic connection to the Uighurs than we do, and anti-Muslim sentiment isn't confined to China, as you may have noticed. China has been oppressing all kinds of people, including its ethnic Chinese, for decades.
In a perfect world, the Chinese people would overthrow its government and allow the Uighurs and the people of Hong Kong to live freely. But it's far from a perfect world.
My original point was that the folks thinking China will steamroll the future don’t take into account their need to tamp down hostile ethnic minorities at home, and keep a lid on Hong Kong and other restive regions. They have also been antagonizing neighbors from India to Vietnam. Their financial system is increasingly burdened by zombie companies and uncollectible loans, and they have tried the patience of trading partners in Europe and North America. Their dependence on imported food and materials is also a vulnerability.
I don’t see them as taking over from a United States crippled by silly politics.
happystuff
11-16-20, 11:32am
I don’t see them as taking over from a United States crippled by silly politics.
I agree with some of what you have said, but I don't think it is "silly politics" that is crippling the United States, rather it is the actual differing beliefs and ideas that seem to have ground things to a stop and that is doing the crippling and, may enable China's growth over the U.S.
pinkytoe
11-16-20, 12:44pm
The Chinese govt probably loves that we are so divided and can't move forward. It irks me no end that much of what I buy is made there.
I think one of his golf junkets to Mar-a-lago at our expense will be "the move". He simply won't go back to DC. Then a moving van will show up at the WH and make the trip with all his shit on it.
A Narcissist cannot do the right thing for the country.
I hope they do a thorough job of disinfecting the White House before the Bidens move it.
He's not even calling it in now--just sticking it to the incoming administration. If someone had described the political events of the last four years to me before it happened, I wouldn't have believed it. And why is the Republican rank and file going along with his petulant antics? "Elect a clown, expect a circus" isn't funny any more.
He's not even calling it in now--just sticking it to the incoming administration. If someone had described the political events of the last four years to me before it happened, I wouldn't have believed it. And why is the Republican rank and file going along with his petulant antics? "Elect a clown, expect a circus" isn't funny any more.
Because not pissing off his voters is more important to them than protecting the country.
iris lilies
11-19-20, 6:11pm
Omg when will this be over.
frugal-one
11-19-20, 9:10pm
Omg when will this be over.
Probably when he is dead. Like a bad penny.... will turn up again.
There's always the chance of Son of Trump.
iris lilies
11-19-20, 10:28pm
There's always the chance of Son of Trump.
Don’t you dare!
haha
Omg when will this be over.
Barring a shocking success from Rudy, my hair dye is running, Giuliani, in the next few days, Monday is when it will be over to everyone but the bitterest supporters of team anti-America. Georgia certifies their vote tomorrow, Michigan and Pennsylvania on Monday. After that the rest of the states that haven't certified simply don't matter because Biden will have enough electoral college votes. Maybe Monday the trump toady at the GSA will finally do her damn job and the adults can get on with making the transition happen.
JaneV2.0
11-20-20, 11:34am
Is it legal for a losing candidate to try arm-twisting various state AGs to get voting results overturned or electors replaced? It seems wildly extralegal to me. And nothing he or his henchmen do seems to have a single negative consequence.
Teacher Terry
11-20-20, 11:48am
I also cannot believe Ted Cruz is taking his side especially since the way Trump attacked his family. I would hope if the situation were reversed that the Democrats wouldn’t try and help a Democratic President steal the election from a elected republican. Shame on the republicans that are going along with this farce.
Recounts and lawsuits are hardly new in US elections. We’ve moved from conspiracy theories about Diebold machines to conspiracy theories about Dominion machines in the space of four years. Somehow democracy survives.
Personally, I think GOP energies would be better spent opposing Biden’s agenda than his election. The best approach in my mind will be to marginalize him in the same way Hillary Clinton was.
JaneV2.0
11-20-20, 12:44pm
Recounts and lawsuits are hardly new in US elections. We’ve moved from conspiracy theories about Diebold machines to conspiracy theories about Dominion machines in the space of four years. Somehow democracy survives.
Personally, I think GOP energies would be better spent opposing Biden’s agenda than his election. The best approach in my mind will be to marginalize him in the same way Hillary Clinton was.
How about working with him and others of his party? Compromise--it's a time-honored American tradition. We used to do it all the time.
Recounts and lawsuits are one thing. At least if there is some factual basis in them. Obviously that’s not the case here as the number of ballots that are in question are not sufficient to change the outcome. And there are no facts being presented to show wider fraud.
And the meeting that is supposedly happening today between trump and the top Michigan legislators responsible for certifying the election results is highly questionable. It will be interesting to see if they have the nerve to try and disenfranchise the voters of their state on Monday.
Now that Rudy’s son tested positive today and was at yesterday’s press conference I wonder if Rudy and the other lawyer are going to quarantine for two weeks as is recommended.
How about working with him and others of his party? Compromise--it's a time-honored American tradition. We used to do it all the time.
I think there’s room for that, outside the sphere of aggressive progressive green new deals and socialist Utopianism painlessly funded by a small tax on monocles and top hats.
JaneV2.0
11-21-20, 12:17pm
I think there’s room for that, outside the sphere of aggressive progressive green new deals and socialist Utopianism painlessly funded by a small tax on monocles and top hats.
There have always been more or less "radical" wings of each party. That, in itself, is not a bad thing, but if legislators can't or won't work with their counterparts, they should be voted out. And the Green New Deal and European-type socialism are far more benign than bans on immigration and full-on abandonment of environmental protection, IMO.
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