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So, we adopted two very beautiful young sister cats yesterday. As we were told they are very shy. With that in mind we restricted them to my work office and the hall bathroom and yesterday one of them was open to gentle scratching/petting and even purred when we did that. We had blocked the top of the stairs with a large box to keep them confined. This morning when I woke up at 5:30 to use the bathroom they were on the stairs, having gotten past the box somehow. I moved the box so that they could get back to the office but they ran downstairs into the kitchen, where I left them. I went back to bed and we couldn't find them this morning.
Finally we found them this afternoon. There is a corner section of kitchen cabinet that is sealed off. Totally inaccessible. Except for a small opening on the underside between the cabinet front and the kickplate... They've been hiding in there all day. We've moved their food and litterbox down there (and even put out a bowl of tuna and tuna water because every cat ever LOVES tuna and it has a strong smell) and I assume they will come out overnight to eat and use the box. We've moved one of our security cameras to the kitchen so that we can confirm this tomorrow morning or even notify us as it happens this evening while we're in the other room.
What should we do? My assumption is that eventually in a day or two they will be brave enough to leave that space while we're around and then we can block off the opening. Is there something else we could/should be doing? I've inspected the cabinets thoroughly and it would take a pretty significant act of destruction (which would obviously really suck and also be very traumatizing to the kitties) to be able to actively remove them from there. We really hope they come out on their own.
your plan sounds perfect. They can come out whenever they like, and you'll even keep an eye on them with the security camera. I bet it won't be very long before they come to explore some more.
pinkytoe
12-20-20, 10:09pm
We have a rescue Siamese we got many years ago. She hid herself away for the first month or so that we had her. I think your cats will come out when they are ready and in the meantime, they will sneak out to eat and use the litter box when you can't see them.
rosarugosa
12-21-20, 6:20am
I agree with waiting it out. When Ogden came to live with us 10 years ago, it was days before I got a good look at him because he was always under the bed or behind the washing machine.
catherine
12-21-20, 10:10am
I don't have cats so I can't give advice, but I just want to say, so nice of you to adopt sisters!! At least they have each other while they work out their anxiety.
Teacher Terry
12-21-20, 1:46pm
Cats often hide initially until they get used to their new home. I have known many people to go through this. It can take up to a month.
So this morning we pulled the stove out and cut holes through the narrow cabinet next to the stove and into the void where they are. They still haven't come out or eaten anything. We spoke with the shelter's cat behaviorist and she agreed that it was probably best to get them out of there just because kitchens are noisy scary places. We could wait them out but then we have to live with the stove in the middle of the room and since we can't close the kitchen from the rest of the house we run the risk of them trying to hide elsewhere and then create a situation where we're chasing them around, scaring them more. For that reason we're probably going to pull them out tonight once SO gets home. I've bought a pair of leather gardening gloves, which when combined with my fall jacket, should provide enough protection for me to reach in there without getting too scratched up or bitten. I just hope we don't have to cut a bigger hole since the noise was undoubtedly traumatizing for them.
The behaviorist had other good advice. Basically a small space is easier for them to adjust to and they need a hiding spot so she recommended a box big enough to hold them and a blanket. Once they get comfortable in one room you can gradually introduce them to other rooms by bringing them and their hiding box to the new room. Let them play in that room until they start to get nervous, then they can go back in their safe box and be transported back to the safe room.
The floor is on the right side in the picture...
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And here they are inside the void shortly after we cut the holes.
Again, the picture is rotated 90 degrees obviously...
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iris lilies
12-21-20, 9:51pm
Yikes that is a lot of hoopla for these two cats. Because they are cats they will not be appreciative of that at all! But we all thank you for taking care of them.
Edited to add: oh they are black cats with white beards. That is nice.
SO was not in favor of aggressively moving them out of their safe space. While we were watching jeopardy and wheel of fortune tonight they cautiously came out, ate some food and looked around, so he's probably right. (thank you Ring security cameras!) After that I moved the litterbox closer to the kitchen, out of sight of us in the living room and within a minute of my walking away one of them came out and used it. We'll see how things go over the next day or two but they seem to be doing fine. Both have eaten something and drunk a little water. I suspect that after we go to bed that these girls will be out checking out all of the downstairs.
rosarugosa
12-22-20, 6:19am
They are beautiful!
Teacher Terry
12-22-20, 10:20am
Pretty babies!
Not sure if it's much help but I have concluded that dogs should be regarded as the average 2 year old child. Once I got my head around that - a lot of things were easier to do and understand about behaviour.
Is there a comparable age for cats' behaviour that will help guide an owner's actions and understanding?
Small children shrink when in new and strange situations, resist control but when, finally feeling safe, love to be cuddled, enjoy toys and playtime. Look forward to that.
They spent most of the night out checking out their new surroundings while we were in bed. Apparently they even came upstairs and found the food we had put down in the office when we first brought them home. Today SO is going to put the food just outside the kitchen. This will give them a choice of eating it within view of us 25 feet away or waiting until we go to bed to eat. This may take a day or two but I’m betting that Eleanor, the braver one, will take the risk.
rosarugosa
12-23-20, 12:46pm
Not sure if it's much help but I have concluded that dogs should be regarded as the average 2 year old child. Once I got my head around that - a lot of things were easier to do and understand about behaviour.
Is there a comparable age for cats' behaviour that will help guide an owner's actions and understanding?
Small children shrink when in new and strange situations, resist control but when, finally feeling safe, love to be cuddled, enjoy toys and playtime. Look forward to that.
Razz: That is an interesting question. My guys seem to be some strange cross between willful toddlers (with superior jumping skills) and grouchy old men who believe themselves to be royalty. I know the dog I walk is supposed to be comparable to a 2.5 year-old, but as someone who has never had children, that does not help me any more than if you told me a toddler had the intelligence of a Shih-Tzu. :)
rosarugosa
12-23-20, 12:47pm
JP: Did you name them, or did they already have well-established names?
Put them in a small room with food and litter box. Keep the door closed. go in and visit with them and talk to them each day. Keep them there for 2 weeks so they acclimate to your voices and smells. (sit on the floor if you can so they can approach but you'll look smaller).
They will come out for you in their own time.
iris lilies
12-23-20, 6:01pm
Not sure if it's much help but I have concluded that dogs should be regarded as the average 2 year old child. Once I got my head around that - a lot of things were easier to do and understand about behaviour.
Is there a comparable age for cats' behaviour that will help guide an owner's actions and understanding?
Small children shrink when in new and strange situations, resist control but when, finally feeling safe, love to be cuddled, enjoy toys and playtime. Look forward to that.
hah We always say bulldogs are toddlers in fur suits. And they are like toddlers because they’re stubborn, willful, self-centered, and very loving and adoring.
As far as an age for cats, some of my cats seem like pre-teen girls. They definitely have their own life and interests, but if you’re interesting enough to them they will hang out with you.
JP: Did you name them, or did they already have well-established names?
The shelter named them Boston and Chicago. We have changed their names to Eleanor and Michelle. They just don’t seem suited to being named after two rough and tumble cities. Maybe if they had been named Charlotte and Savanaugh we would have kept those names.
Put them in a small room with food and litter box. Keep the door closed. go in and visit with them and talk to them each day. Keep them there for 2 weeks so they acclimate to your voices and smells. (sit on the floor if you can so they can approach but you'll look smaller).
They will come out for you in their own time.
Yes. This is the plan. I’ve attached a long rope to the cabinet door that leads to their hiding space. When they come out into the kitchen for dinner this evening we will close the door from the living room. Then if they let us we’ll move them to my office. If they won’t let us do that we’ll move the rope and security camera from the kitchen to the office door and tonight when they go there looking for more food we’ll close the office door from the bedroom.
They will have four days before I have to work again to start getting used to us and the room. And then starting Monday they can get used to spending the day sharing space with me as I work.
As far as an age for cats, some of my cats seem like pre-teen girls. They definitely have their own life and interests, but if you’re interesting enough to them they will hang out with you.
I'm not sure I could put a "child" age on any of the cats I've had, except to say that they do tend to behave in fairly predictable ways depending on their life circumstances just as most children tend to be fairly predictable to adults who have experience with kids. But I agree, they definitely have their own life and interests and personalities. Our previous cats were twin brothers but wow they had different personalities and interests. One was very independent and wanted to explore everywhere and be in control. The other really just wanted to spend all his time snuggling with me and didn't really care about anything else. Except food. He REALLY cared about food. His brother, not so much. Anyone that says cats don't have personalities has never lived with one for any length of time.
rosarugosa
12-24-20, 8:58am
The shelter named them Boston and Chicago. We have changed their names to Eleanor and Michelle. They just don’t seem suited to being named after two rough and tumble cities. Maybe if they had been named Charlotte and Savanaugh we would have kept those names.
You'll have to take my word for it (or not, as the case may be), but if I knew for sure that you had named Eleanor, I would have guessed Michelle was her sister! Rosalynn would have been my second guess, but Michelle was definitely my first. :)
You'll have to take my word for it (or not, as the case may be), but if I knew for sure that you had named Eleanor, I would have guessed Michelle was her sister! Rosalynn would have been my second guess, but Michelle was definitely my first. :)
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So we had partial success. We managed to lock Eleanor out of the hidey cabinet while they were eating dinner, but Michelle was close enough to the cabinet that she got back in. Eventually Eleanor went upstairs and when I followed she ran into the office and I was able to close the door.
Today I'm going to call the shelter and get a feral cat trap to catch Michelle and move her up there too.
And today we had more success. Picked up the trap from the rescue’s behaviorist this afternoon and 20 minutes ago Michelle literally walked right into it. They are now both safely locked away in my office. And SO spent 20 minutes this afternoon in there with Eleanor playing mouse on a stick and then petting. Apparently Eleanor LOVED being pet.
Teacher Terry
12-25-20, 1:23am
That’s great news!
Good! Enjoy your 4-footed family!
Hey JP1, how are the girls doing?
They are doing great! In just a week they have gotten to the point where they realize that we don't intend to harm them. When I go in there to work they mostly stay in their safe box where their bed is, but they don't seem to mind me being there. And thankfully they are very food motivated. If we sit on the floor and offer treats they will come out and eat them, even out of our hands. And will allow us to pet them while they are eating them. Eleanor is going to be a total love bug. She definitely enjoys being petted. And overnight they are acting like normal young cats. We can hear them, and watch the security cam video of them, in there running around and playing, crashing into walls and generally causing mayhem.
I'm so glad they are settling in!
The behaviorist said most cats follow a 3, 3, 3 rule when they move to a new situation. Three days for their stress hormones to get worked out of their body so they can calm down, 3 weeks to figure out who the people are that are feeding and caring for them and begin to trust them, and 3 months for a new place to feel like home. The girls seem to be right on track.
madmardigan
1-10-21, 10:51pm
Whenever we adopted our cat, the shelter recommended keeping her in the bathroom for as long as it took for her to become accustomed to us, our home, the smells, etc. Their recommendation was 4 days or more if needed. I put her food, water and litter box in there, and she ended up transitioning really well to our home. Maybe confine them to a smaller space - just the bathroom while they grow accustomed to you, the sounds in and around your house, smells, etc.
And two weeks later the girls are getting more and more comfortable living in my office. Now they pretty much ignore me when I come and go, and both of them will come into our laps to eat food and treats while we pet them.
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And no, Michelle can't defy gravity, that's just a feature of the forum software.
iris lilies
1-15-21, 2:51pm
Aww, good new on the cat front.
Teacher Terry
1-15-21, 4:26pm
Great news!!
rosarugosa
1-15-21, 6:19pm
That is wonderful!
Update. Last Saturday we opened the door to the office and let them decide if they were ready to expand their territory to include the whole house. Michelle came downstairs within a half hour and began checking everything out. She's doing great. Eleanor is a little more hesitant but also doing fine. She came down the first evening and they were both playing, running around and generally having a good time. A couple of days later Eleanor hadn't come down so we were playing with just Michelle. Then Eleanor started crying because she was lonely up in the office. So Michelle went up and started playing with her and coaxed her with play onto and down the stairs. Five minutes later they were. Both running around downstairs like the crazy kittens they are.
It's cool getting to learn their distinct personalities. One of the things we've noticed is that while Eleanor is a bit more reticent generally, she does have a mischievous side. One of her favorite games is to wait until Michelle is amped up and ready to pounce on something and then she will sneak up behind michelle and smack her on the butt. This always launches Michelle into a mad scramble around the room. Not that Michelle minds this at all. She is super high energy and is pretty much always either sound asleep or wanting to play.
rosarugosa
2-14-21, 10:29am
I'm so glad they are settling in and bringing you so much enjoyment!
early morning
2-14-21, 10:56am
thanks for the kitty update! they sound like tons of fun, and they are so lucky to have you in their lives (and you, them, of course!). I wish for all animals to find forever homes with people who love them... Our own crazy felines are creditied with keeping us sane through all sorts of stresses - they are such marvelous companions.
happystuff
2-14-21, 10:57am
So glad that things are working out so well.
Teacher Terry
2-14-21, 11:01am
That sounds so fun! Max is 3 and Amy is 7 so max is always making Amy play. He will whack her in the face or gently pull her ears to get her to play. One night she wouldn’t play and he started humping her and I yelled at him to stop and just then I heard a big squirt and her eyes got really big and she ran to me. He is neutered yet got so excited that she had a big wet spot. We were in bed and had to change the sheets and give her a bath. I didn’t know that was possible for a 5lb dog:)).
The girls are totally settled in now and are truly charming and so much fun! They both like to come get love from us, and not just when we offer treats. And Michelle learned a new trick yesterday. She was so proud of herself, although she couldn't figure out how to walk up the stair rail to the next post. And Eleanor was annoyed with her and kept trying to knock her off.
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Teacher Terry
4-9-21, 11:52pm
Cute kitties!
rosarugosa
4-10-21, 6:41am
They are lovely! So glad they have settled in nicely.
early morning
4-10-21, 9:54am
Adorable - she does look pleased with herself. Do they have their front claws? (we never declaw but have rescued cats that have been..) Because cats with claws CAN "walk" up wooden banisters. Fact. :~)
iris lilies
4-10-21, 10:01am
I will bet the girls are enjoying your new house very much. I guess that house is not new to them though you didn’t adopt until you got into the house? Anyway, she’s a lovely cat. Remind me – – did those two cats know each other before you adopted them?
happystuff
4-10-21, 10:28am
Nice trick - she should be proud of herself. LOL. Thanks for sharing.
I will bet the girls are enjoying your new house very much. I guess that house is not new to them though you didn’t adopt until you got into the house? Anyway, she’s a lovely cat. Remind me – – did those two cats know each other before you adopted them?
We adopted them about two months after we’d moved in. They are littermates. Totally bonded.
Adorable - she does look pleased with herself. Do they have their front claws? (we never declaw but have rescued cats that have been..) Because cats with claws CAN "walk" up wooden banisters. Fact. :~)
They do have their claws. She hasn’t tried to claw her way up the rail. At least not yet...
Update. I don't know what their first home was like but it wasn't good. The girls have advanced to the point where they will come rub against our legs and accept pets, but they still aren't comfortable being held or getting on the sofa with us. But they do love to play and they enjoy hanging out with us in the evenings and occasionally on the bed while we're sleeping. But they still hide under the bed whenever we have guests (no one has seen them in person except one friend who has long covid. She was staying at a nearby hotel and came over everyday for 5 days but because of the long covid would literally come in and sit down on the couch every day because that's her energy level. On the third evening Eleanor was brave enough to come down for treats while friend was sitting on the couch near SO.) And random things seem to scare them, like me putting a jacket on which sends them both running to hide. I've learned to get it out and then go away before putting it on. But overall they've settled in well. And I wrapped paracord around the stair rail so now they love to run up and down it as part of their much loved game of chasing each other all over the place.
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iris lilies
12-16-21, 10:55pm
Update. I don't know what their first home was like but it wasn't good. The girls have advanced to the point where they will come rub against our legs and accept pets, but they still aren't comfortable being held or getting on the sofa with us. But they do love to play and they enjoy hanging out with us in the evenings and occasionally on the bed while we're sleeping. But they still hide under the bed whenever we have guests (no one has seen them in person except one friend who has long covid. She was staying at a nearby hotel and came over everyday for 5 days but because of the long covid would literally come in and sit down on the couch every day because that's her energy level. On the third evening Eleanor was brave enough to come down for treats while friend was sitting on the couch near SO.) And random things seem to scare them, like me putting a jacket on which sends them both running to hide. I've learned to get it out and then go away before putting it on. But overall they've settled in well. And I wrapped paracord around the stair rail so now they love to run up and down it as part of their much loved game of chasing each other all over the place.
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I’m glad they have each other. I’m glad you adopted both of them. It’s too bad you don’t have a cuddle cat though. But you know, that can get old too when they went to sleep on your neck or back their butt into your face, and etc.
I’m glad they have each other. I’m glad you adopted both of them. It’s too bad you don’t have a cuddle cat though. But you know, that can get old too when they went to sleep on your neck or back their butt into your face, and etc.
Thanks. They seem happy. And we’re happy. SO wishes they were more cuddly but they show their love in the way they are able and that’s the lost important thing. And who knows. My sister had two cats years ago that took almost three years before they became cuddly but then the next 15 years they were total love bugs. Cats work on their own schedule they don’t take direction from others very well.
happystuff
12-17-21, 11:11am
So glad that they are all settling in well. And, I agree, give them as much time as they need and you may end up with - as IL says - cat butts in your face! lol
ToomuchStuff
12-17-21, 11:15am
I need some recommendations on being the rehome for a couple cats. Highly allergic friend, took his siblings kid and pets, when her drug problem meant that or wards of the state. He was able to keep the cats in one part of the house, until recently (septic backup, don't know how expensive yet), and now they are roaming.
I am supposed to get them Tuesday, so the kid has time for goodbye.
iris lilies
12-18-21, 1:59pm
Have any of you seen the hilarious posts about these cats: Jorts and Jean?
A post originally started on Reddit about two cats, Jorts who is orange and not very bright and his companion cat Jean,a tortoiseshell cat. These cats live in an office environment where they are well treated, and office workers are quite concerned about Jorts’ intellectual capacity and how that should be referenced in their daily lives with him. Human Resources had to get involved when there were unkind words spoken about Jorts that may have “ethnically sterotyped” Jorts.
It is hilarious and it’s one of those viral phenomenas. I won’t link to anything because I don’t know how you all can access it. The original story was on Reddit and you probably need a Reddit account to read it. But I saw references on Newsweek’s website and other social media sites. Honestly I’m still laughing about it, and the story grows each day.
So Google “Jorts and Jean” if you’re interested and you’ll get lots of hits.
iris lilies
12-18-21, 2:03pm
I need some recommendations on being the rehome for a couple cats. Highly allergic friend, took his siblings kid and pets, when her drug problem meant that or wards of the state. He was able to keep the cats in one part of the house, until recently (septic backup, don't know how expensive yet), and now they are roaming.
I am supposed to get them Tuesday, so the kid has time for goodbye.
I can’t answer your question because it is very very difficult to find a home for adult cats. All the shelters are full. If it is was only a matter of allergy, after trying sincerely for a while to find homes for these cats, I might make them outdoor cats with a heated shelter.
This is not at all the best solution, but I don’t know what the answer is if there’s not a relative willing to take the cats.
I can’t answer your question because it is very very difficult to find a home for adult cats. All the shelters are full. If it is was only a matter of allergy, after trying sincerely for a while to find homes for these cats, I might make them outdoor cats with a heated shelter.
This is not at all the best solution, but I don’t know what the answer is if there’s not a relative willing to take the cats.
Since we live in a county that includes a fair amount of farms the local humane society offers up cats for adoption as farm workers. These are cats that haven’t been socialized well enough to be indoor cats but which are otherwise healthy. They spay/neuter them and then send them to homes to be ‘working cats’ keeping down rodent issues in barns and such. Our cats would have probably gone that route if we had not been able to adjust to their needs.
Since we’re now about 20 months in to our experiment of living with unsocialized cats I suppose an update is in order. They are still super cautious about people, including us, but not nearly to the level of caution towards anyone else. Any time anyone else comes in our house they hide under the bed until those people are gone. Exceptions are very rare. With us they occasionally want love and if we look at their behavior over 20 months they have definitely gotten a lot braver. But realistically it may never happen that they just climb into either of our laps to snuggle. And that’s fine. Because they seem to really be enjoying life. They have a routine that includes us and have a lot of fun living that routine. Early morning is the big playtime but they also play in the evenings sometimes. Lately Michelle especially has gotten a lot more rambunctious. She has definitely upped her game for chasing things and doing parkour. (The latest being a peach pit that kept her fully engaged for over a week…) I mentioned this to SO, saying, ‘she’s definitely upped her party game recently’ to which he responded by singing Mylie Cyrus…
So I put my paws up
They're playing my song
The butterflies fly away
I'm noddin' my head like yeah
Movin' my hips like yeah
I got my paws up
They're playin' my song
I know I'm gonna be OK
Yeah, it's a party in the USA
Party in the USA.
iris lilies
8-21-22, 10:05pm
That’s good to hear that your cats are stabilizing even though they’re never going to be cuddle cats.
We got a cat last week after two years of being catless. Here’s his photo below. With named him William Bill. We will call him Any number of diminutives, so far Willie, Mr. Bill, Willy Billy, little Willy, Fat face Bill. He is a small cat, only 8.5 pounds. He is very affectionate and also very talky. He shares every thought in his head with us.
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I love round-faced cats--congratulations!
littlebittybobby
8-22-22, 3:57am
That’s good to hear that your cats are stabilizing even though they’re never going to be cuddle cats.
We got a cat last week after two years of being catless. Here’s his photo below. With named him William Bill. We will call him Any number of diminutives, so far Willie, Mr. Bill, Willy Billy, little Willy, Fat face Bill. He is a small cat, only 8.5 pounds. He is very affectionate and also very talky. He shares every thought in his head with us.
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4749Wow! Very impressive! I bet a catt likje that would cost at least $500. Maybe more. But yeah---you can tell when they got that pushed-in face---they cost more. Yup.
That’s good to hear that your cats are stabilizing even though they’re never going to be cuddle cats.
We got a cat last week after two years of being catless. Here’s his photo below. With named him William Bill. We will call him Any number of diminutives, so far Willie, Mr. Bill, Willy Billy, little Willy, Fat face Bill. He is a small cat, only 8.5 pounds. He is very affectionate and also very talky. He shares every thought in his head with us.
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Mr. Bill is very cute.
iris lilies
8-22-22, 7:45am
Wow! Very impressive! I bet a catt likje that would cost at least $500. Maybe more. But yeah---you can tell when they got that pushed-in face---they cost more. Yup.
See? I knew you would give me grief.
happystuff
8-22-22, 8:04am
We had to say good-bye to our orange cat about two weeks ago. I didn't post earlier because I was just too sad. She declined rapidly and it was easy to see she was in pain. 4750
iris lilies
8-22-22, 8:09am
We had to say good-bye to our orange cat about two weeks ago. I didn't post earlier because I was just too sad. She declined rapidly and it was easy to see she was in pain. 4750
oh sorry! I like seeing female orange cats because they’re not real common.
ToomuchStuff
8-22-22, 8:20am
Any tricks on moving with cats?
At this point, I would say there is a better then 90% chance, I will be moving back to the old house. Along with a bunch of other changes.
rosarugosa
8-22-22, 9:46am
We had to say good-bye to our orange cat about two weeks ago. I didn't post earlier because I was just too sad. She declined rapidly and it was easy to see she was in pain. 4750
Oh no, I'm so sorry Happy. What a beautiful kitty.
iris lilies
8-22-22, 10:04am
Any tricks on moving with cats?
At this point, I would say there is a better then 90% chance, I will be moving back to the old house. Along with a bunch of other changes.
give them their own room with food, water, litter box. Close the door. Let them hang out in that room for a few days. They will get used to the sounds and smells of the house.
It took my guy four days before he was comfortable in his new environment and he had never lived anywhere other than with his first owner.
We had to say good-bye to our orange cat about two weeks ago. I didn't post earlier because I was just too sad. She declined rapidly and it was easy to see she was in pain. 4750
That's definitely the dark side of loving animal companions. I'm so sorry.
happystuff
8-22-22, 6:36pm
Thanks everyone.
See? I knew you would give me grief.
Hope that helped some.
But seriously, mr bill is a very handsome fellow!
We had to say good-bye to our orange cat about two weeks ago. I didn't post earlier because I was just too sad. She declined rapidly and it was easy to see she was in pain. 4750
So sorry to hear this. Even when you know it’s for the best it’s not an easy time.
Our previous guys were two orange male tabbies. We could have adopted their mom as well who was also an orange tabby but they were nearly a year old and still trying to nurse and she was clearly done with them, batting them away every time they tried to get a snack from her.
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