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My group isn’t likely to be eligible for a while (50+ with no health issues) so at this point I’m just reading other people’s experiences. The perverse thing about vaccine distribution so far is that people who have the ability and tech savvimess seem to be able to get it and the people who truly need it to keep themselves safe like essential workers are dependent on others (like Alan’s wife’s
School district) to make the vaccine available. Like others have commented, I can continue to stay home and mask up for the trip to the grocery store but others aren’t so privileged.
Teacher Terry
2-27-21, 11:21am
Teenagers have been helping seniors that aren’t tech savvy get appointments which is great. With J and J now approved and being distributed next week things should move faster.
March 1 DH and I can make our appointment. I am kind of hoping that we get the J&J one, but OTOH, did I hear that it's slightly less effective than the Pfizer/Moderna? 72% v 98%?
Teacher Terry
2-27-21, 2:06pm
Yes less effective but people aren’t dying or being hospitalized if they get Covid. I would have taken any vaccine.
Yes less effective but people aren’t dying or being hospitalized if they get Covid. I would have taken any vaccine.
Oh, I'm not going to be picky, that's for sure.
I'd get whatever I could at this point, and optimize later.
I think all of the approved vaccines prevent severe illness and hospitalizations. I could see holding off for a short time to get the Moderna or Pfizer if one of the other alternates were offered first.
frugal-one
2-27-21, 3:21pm
Heard on the news today that one of the Moderna side effects is a very itchy rash around the injection site. Hadn't heard of that before. YLMV
did I hear that it's slightly less effective than the Pfizer/Moderna? 72% v 98%?
Depends on how you slice and dice the numbers. There were no deaths from the J+J trials for people who got the vaccine, but 6 of the placebo group died. I believe, but could be wrong, that no to few folks were hospitalized. The number being quoted in the media includes minor cases (aka cold level). I'd be ok with just staying out of the hospital.
GeorgeParker
2-27-21, 4:36pm
I am kind of hoping that we get the J&J one, but OTOH, did I hear that it's slightly less effective than the Pfizer/Moderna? 72% v 98%?The J+J vaccine was at a severe disadvantage because it was tested recently whereas the others were tested months ago before the recent varieties of Covid that are more infectious than the original showed up (meaning UK and African varieties).
That means the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were only exposed to the original version of Covid or close to it, whereas the J+J vaccine was exposed to all the varieties that have developed since then. If the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were retested now, their effectiveness would probably be the same as J+J because of the new Covid varieties they would be exposed to. IOW all the vaccines are probably equally effective in every way, and certainly all have been shown to prevent serious cases that require hospitalization or kill people.
Side effects are basically a result of your immune system cranking up to fight the virus. IOW mild, moderate, or severe reactions are all actually good because they indicate the vaccine is working as it should. It's unpleasant and unfortunate that it has to be that way, but it is what it is. Those of us old enough to remember getting a smallpox vaccination know that it caused redness, itching, and a 1/2-inch diameter scab that left a permanent scar. Covid vaccine reactions are just that same type of immune-system-cranking-up reaction.
Finally a glimmer of common sense. Vermont says if you are fully vaccinated you can travel there without being quarantined or tested upon arrival. No such logic in my state, so EVEN IF vaccinated and I went there I would still need to be quarantined and/or tested upon my return. What a waste of tests, which are still scarce some places.
My governor continues to implement new restrictions. Last week we could visit North Dakota, Puerto Rico or Hawaii, but this week North Dakota is forbidden again. We can't have people from sparsely populated Massachusetts going to densely populated North Dakota. Being around all those people could make us sick.
My governor continues to implement new restrictions.
And he's removing some prematurely. On Monday, the limitation on restaurants capacity is being lifted. Despite the number of new cases still being relatively high.
Yes, having the normal side effects from the vaccine is fine. Another example of that is the shingrix vaccine side effects. With both shots I had a moderate fever for about 24 hours.
Catherine and others- I have found this site describes each of the vaccines's, the trials, and results in language that I can understand, as a non medically educated person- this link is for the J+J vaccine : https://www.factcheck.org/2021/02/scicheck-a-guide-to-johnson-johnsons-covid-19-vaccine/
Heard on the news today that one of the Moderna side effects is a very itchy rash around the injection site. Hadn't heard of that before. YLMV
A friend who is a health care worker got what is being called "Covid arm", which is inflamation and rash around the injection site and could occur up to a week after the Moderna vaccination and could last for up to a week. Apparently it is most common after the first dose and the estimate I saw was 1% of those vaccinated. The example I saw when I looked it up showed pretty significant swelling. She reported the symptoms to the CDC. I've not seen anything similar with the Pfizer.
Finally a glimmer of common sense. Vermont says if you are fully vaccinated you can travel there without being quarantined or tested upon arrival. No such logic in my state, so EVEN IF vaccinated and I went there I would still need to be quarantined and/or tested upon my return. What a waste of tests, which are still scarce some places.
My governor continues to implement new restrictions. Last week we could visit North Dakota, Puerto Rico or Hawaii, but this week North Dakota is forbidden again. We can't have people from sparsely populated Massachusetts going to densely populated North Dakota. Being around all those people could make us sick.
Dang! There goes my North Dakota spa vacation! :cool:
KayLR are you talking this place? It looks pretty cool.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g49709-d7360717-Reviews-Salt_Cave_Wellness_Relaxation_Center-Bismarck_North_Dakota.html#photos;aggregationId=&albumid=&filter=7&ff=119662151
Today I met with my parents and DB who lives with them parked in our respective cars with the heat on and the windows down. Once my parents are fully vaccinated he is fine with me going to their house to visit. He is like me, sees the risk as mainly to the elderly, believes vaccines work, and thinks only N95 masks are effective at stopping covid. He says he and I can sit at opposite ends of their living room. So if the weather is good we will meet outdoors but if not indoors. I realize I am probably the last person here to not socialize with anyone outside my household indoors since the pandemic began, so maybe no big deal to you, but living in a cold climate it is huge to me. The only reason I would postpone this is if I or DB have a pending appointment ourselves for a shot, because then the end is in sight. Otherwise being away from my family for over year will be time enough.
If we get another pandemic in the future I might do like everyone else and socialize anyways. I don't know. I feel with climate change we will have more and more of these issues and I don't want to live in isolation the majority of my life.
I haven't socialized indoors with anyone outside my household since the pandemic began.
Except for one other person, who I virtually-joined our two households with shortly after the pandemic began. We travel back-and-forth freely, in a covid-safe fashion. It's as if we are living in the same house, transmission-wise.
Kind of put a damper on my Tinder game. :-)
dado potato
2-28-21, 7:18pm
Kudos to the Walla Walla County (Washington) Volunteer Corps.
Walla Walla County Health Department operates a COVID vaccination center at the fairgrounds with 1,800 local volunteers. They administer 12,000 doses of vaccine per day (as of 2/28/2021). An article in the Union-Bulletin says they feel they have enough vaccine for residents of other counties, and they welcome "vaccine tourism ...from all over the state".
Medical Volunteers, all with active licenses:
administer vaccines
watch people after vaccination in a waiting area for possible reactions
Pharmacists (volunteering in 3-hour shifts):
mix vaccine with saline
General Volunteers:
direct traffic
give rides from parking areas to entrance in golf carts, as needed
greet people (Spanish-speaking translators are at every clinic)
screen for COVID symptoms
help people fill out paperwork
The public health officer for Walla Walla County, Dr. Kaminsky, starts every morning with a pep talk for the volunteers. I presume the general volunteers may vary in their commitment of time to the vaccination center, and they are coordinated by a stalwart employee of the heath department, but the articles I saw in the newspaper did not get into these details.
I came within ten feet of a Safeway worker a year ago (last March), while I was fully masked. Other than that, nada.
iris lilies
3-1-21, 12:34pm
I came within ten feet of a Safeway worker a year ago (last March), while I was fully masked. Other than that, nada.
that is extreme!
I have had many many many social interactions in the past year. Rarely have they not been outdoors, But certainly people have been in my house. Just yesterday someone came in to drop off some stuff and we had to conduct five minutes of business for our neighborhood.
But Jane you are at Olympic level of social distancing.
I was COVID-ready before that was a thing; pandemics suit me. :cool:
Didn't expect anything this early, but I have an appointment for my first shot in two weeks. Let's hope the weather cooperates and they don't run out. Fingers-crossed!!! :)
I am finally over my hesitancy and somehow missed the email saying to schedule an appt with my health provider. Now I don't know when they will again be available. DH is still unwilling to get one so I give up on that.
Teacher Terry
3-1-21, 3:03pm
I get my second dose on Wednesday. I have already resumed some of my activities such as seeing friends that are vaccinated, eating out and going into stores. It feels great!
I get my second dose on Wednesday. I have already resumed some of my activities such as seeing friends that are vaccinated, eating out and going into stores. It feels great!
Thought you were supposed to wait 10 days after the second dose before resuming somewhat normal activities??? That is the information we were given.
Yeah, I'm gonna drive 5 hours over to Walla Walla to be turned away.3657
Thought you were supposed to wait 10 days after the second dose before resuming somewhat normal activities??? That is the information we were given.
Yes, that is my understanding as well. I had heard two weeks after the second shot.
Teacher Terry
3-1-21, 8:44pm
10 days after the first shot you have 52% immunity which was good enough for me. I haven’t went anywhere crowded. We go to lunch at 11 to avoid people.
10 days after the first shot you have 52% immunity which was good enough for me. I haven’t went anywhere crowded. We go to lunch at 11 to avoid people.
That seems like a fairly reasonable compromise if the current infection rate in your area is low enough.
It reminds me of the one time I’ve had a beer in a bar during covid. Last July when things started to open back up it was a dreary cold day in the city so we went down to Palo Alto one Sunday for ice cream (it was as 80 degrees and sunny on the peninsula). Walking back to the car in the middle of the afternoon we passed a pizza place/bar with the front wide open and zero customers. SO said ‘let’s get a beer’. It seemed a reasonably safe thing so I agreed. It was an unremarkable event but I’ll remember it as a happy afternoon from covid times.
Teacher Terry
3-1-21, 10:46pm
Jp, our rate is low. I was so happy to get the vaccine! I am taking a train with a friend to the Bay Area the end of April to visit a friend. We are all vaccinated and it will be great to all be together. Really feeling grateful for what I can do.
mschrisgo2
3-2-21, 12:30am
Got my first vaccine today. Looking forward to seeing my grandsons again soon.
Chicken lady
3-2-21, 6:36am
So happy for you mschrisgo2!
my parents are coming to visit to meet mine in April (once my vaccine is also fully effective since I teach.) I am hoping by then Dh will also have had his first shot (or only - a possibility now.) but he is just at home.
DH is getting his first today.. mine will be March 10. The appointments opened up for 65+ yesterday at 8:15 and at 8:45 my son was calling me asking if we got ours yet.. he's as anxious as we are to get to see them and the grandkids.
I just got the first at the local supermarket pharmacy. I noticed on their web page portal to make an appointment they now have a dropdown where you can select the "two dose" vaccine or J+J. I suppose potentially that means a person might be able to choose, although there obviously were no J+J openings so far since they just started shipping. I had to spend a fair amount of time searching for appointments. They've scheduled me for the booster and I hope that will not be difficult.
Other than a sore arm I really didn't have any adverse reactions. It has been easier than the shingles vaccine, which caused like symptoms for several days. I don't think my risk level is going to allow any maskless gatherings or hugs until I get the second. I've waited this long and a few more weeks is not a big deal. I've sort of gotten used to the routine.
10 days after the first shot you have 52% immunity which was good enough for me. I haven’t went anywhere crowded. We go to lunch at 11 to avoid people.
That is for you. What about the people you come in contact with ... waitstaff, etc?
Today is 10 days after the second shot. DS and GD are coming today to visit. DS wanted specifics and is getting together as soon as advisable. It has been a LONG time since we have seen each other IRL.
Teacher Terry
3-2-21, 11:32am
My brother is very sick and has been for 5 days from the second dose. Frugal, the wait staff has to serve unvaccinated people and I am safer than that. Luckily everyone gets to make their own decisions. As paranoid as my kids were this year my DIL is going back to work in a casino with only one dose under her belt.
My brother is very sick and has been for 5 days from the second dose. Frugal, the wait staff has to serve unvaccinated people and I am safer than that. Luckily everyone gets to make their own decisions. As paranoid as my kids were this year my DIL is going back to work in a casino with only one dose under her belt.
I feel sorry for those who have to work and deal with the public. I am anxious to get on with my life too but chose to wait based on the science. To each their own.
ApatheticNoMore
3-2-21, 1:18pm
10 days after the second dose is probably as safe as it's going to ever be (for transmission also, I know this isn't proved) but not just 10 days after the first.
Apparently San Francisco is giving jabs to anyone who works in hospitality. Just bring your work ID and drivers license to the moscone convention center. No appointment needed. SO is going to go tomorrow and try. I soooo hope he can get one. He’s got multiple health issues that make him high risk. It will be such a relief even if I have to wait another month or two.
GeorgeParker
3-3-21, 11:03am
Apparently San Francisco is giving jabs to anyone who works in hospitality. Just bring your work ID and drivers license to the moscone convention center. No appointment needed. SO is going to go tomorrow and try. I soooo hope he can get one. He’s got multiple health issues that make him high risk. It will be such a relief even if I have to wait another month or two.That makes sense. If they can quickly vaccinate the people who are most likely to get infected and the people who are most likely to spread the virus, that will greatly reduce the risk for everyone. (Pareto Principle: 80% of benefit/harm comes from 20% of people/effort)
I just registered with my county health department, my doctor, and a pharmacy. Estimated wait is 3-6 weeks to get an appointment. I'll take whichever gives me an appointment first and cancel the other two.
We have an appointment tomorrow! Got notice yesterday from the county health department where we had registered about 3 or 4 weeks ago and I called at 10 am. It was only a 6 minute wait on hold, 10-15 minutes to register both my husband and me. Tomorrow our first dose then the next is scheduled for April 3. I had tried Walgreens for about a week, which is only 10 minutes away (this one is 30 minutes away) but they didn't have appointments for doses 1 and 2. we're very happy. Our county is doing those born in 1948 and before as they only have enough doses to do it that way. State guidelines are already on anyone over 65, but the county is rolling it our by year of birth. I've heard excellent reports about the actual process- in and out in 20 minutes which includes sitting for 15 minutes.
iris lilies
3-3-21, 3:46pm
I got my first Pfizer vaccine today at 1 o’clock after some fumbling around by the powers that be at the palace of illness that was administering it.
I had a clear 1 o’clock appointment. When I went in to the hospital they said my name was not on the list. But the receptionist lady got me in and for that I appreciate it, but I should’ve known that there would be some sort of screwup.
I didn’t like sitting in a lobby with a bunch of masked humans, so I went outside to wait and she came to get me when it was time. I didn’t like being herded with a bunch of the same people into an elevator so I waited for the second elevator. There didn’t appear to be staircases nearby. I’ve not been with that many people in an enclosed space since hmmmm, I dont know when.
ApatheticNoMore
3-3-21, 3:57pm
If they can quickly vaccinate the people who are most likely to get infected
the thing is the people theoretically most likely to be infected have likely in disproportionate numbers already been infected. I mean if it's 1/3 of the total population that has had it, and that's the estimates here from several weeks ago (cases have dropped since but not disappeared), so what is it in people most likely to be infected, maybe 50% or more? I don't actually have data but higher than the average seems a likely assumption, since the average includes those not likely to get infected.
So the people most likely to get infected NOW (not at the start of this thing) might well be those without so much exposure especially if their exposure is increasing, with their utterly virgin immune systems. Of course those most likely to get serious illness are the same as ever unless new strains alter it: the elderly, those with preexisting conditions. I mean we can pretend it's last March and noone has natural immunity yet, but not so much so. We don't have the ever elusive herd immunity but we have a LOT of people who have had the virus.
I think that 30% figure is just for California; I understand the national rate is about 10%. Of course, that could have changed.
GeorgeParker
3-3-21, 6:23pm
the thing is the people theoretically most likely to be infected have likely in disproportionate numbers already been infected.
I think that 30% figure is just for California; I understand the national rate is about 10%. Of course, that could have changed.Either way, all the powers that be can do is make a "best reasonable guess" as to which people are most likely to get the virus and which people are most likely to spread it, and that will in general mean people who have frequent close contact with a lot of random people. Even though there's a good chance a lot of those people have already been exposed, the odds still favor vaccinating them first to catch the ones who haven't been infected.
I'm 70. I'm eligible. But I recognize that in my circumstances I'm less likely to get infected than a waiter or grocery clerk. So I'm willing to let them get their shot first, if the powers that be want to do that.
ApatheticNoMore
3-3-21, 6:35pm
Well I doubt it's ever as clean as all that, especially as the criteria has changed several times already. Teachers unions have immense lobbying power, so hence they will get it, even if schools are not open (though they do want to open them). Restaurant workers is about saving the restaurant economy which all know has been hard hit. Uber drivers have all the exposure in the world, but how is anyone ever going to prove they are an Uber driver, another downside to gig work rather than an employment contract.
SO got his jab from Dr. Fauci himself!
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If they can quickly vaccinate the people who are most likely to get infected and the people who are most likely to spread the virus, that will greatly reduce the risk for everyone. (Pareto Principle: 80% of benefit/harm comes from 20% of people/effort).
There is no evidence that a specific group is MOST likely to get infected.
GeorgeParker
3-3-21, 10:36pm
There is no evidence that a specific group is MOST likely to get infected.Some people are obviously more likely to be exposed because they come in contact with more random people per day than an average person would. Some people, like me, seldom come within 15 feet of anyone outside of their own household. More random contacts equals a higher risk of exposure equals a higher risk of becoming infected. That is self evident.
Indeed. Most likely to get infected are probably frontline healthcare workers and right behind them meat packing plant workers. Probably next up for over representation of infections would be grocery store workers, first responders etc. I’ve not seen data to back this up but in the aggregate minorities are more likely to have these jobs and their infection rates have been well above average so it would likely carry through to all people in those groups, not just minorities.
No word at work so I assume they have been unable to secure a supply. They had hoped to offer vaccines mid March but there have been no announcements or sign ups.
We are essential workers who have been interfacing with the public throughout the pandemic. For a few weeks in the spring we were curbside pickup only and the business tanked so we opened back up. Customers love to come in and touch the product. Cash sales are also as high as ever although we have tried to encourage contactless payments.
We are not unionized and it seems unionized workers in health care and government are being put ahead of all other essential workers.
IL, our sites were smart enough to install the vaccine areas right next to the entrance doors. Who would want the public mixing with employees and patients? Everyone had room to stand at least 6 feet apart in the fairly short lines. I cannot imagine elevators.
iris lilies
3-4-21, 9:03am
SO got his jab from Dr. Fauci himself!
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whaaaaaaat? Fauci is in SF giving shots? Cool.
rosarugosa
3-4-21, 12:22pm
Mom & I got our second shots today, so I am really relieved about that. After the next two weeks pass I will definitely feel safer about getting together with Mom and Sis and sharing occasional meals with them.
Teacher Terry
3-4-21, 12:52pm
JP, that’s really cool! Got my second dose yesterday at 11 and felt fine until 6 and then had a horrible headache. By 11pm I had the worst chills of my life with uncontrollable shaking despite electric blanket on high, a pile of blankets on me and the heat up. Still have horrible headache but it means that the vaccine is working.
Ha! My natural tendency for procrastination paid off. Instead of doggedly clicking the vaccine finder, I waited, and today my HC provider emailed me with an invitation for a shot--on Saturday!
iris lilies
3-4-21, 4:08pm
Ha! My natural tendency for procrastination paid off. Instead of doggedly clicking the vaccine finder, I waited, and today my HC provider emailed me with an invitation for a shot--on Saturday!
Your path was easier than mine, but my path to get a vaccine wasn’t all that difficult.
Like you, I had registered with three places and then sat back thinking well when they contact me to contact me. When my time comes, they will let me know. But then I saw this post on our neighborhood chat list that said they’re giving appointments in our ZIP Code so it seems lazy of me not to call about that.
you were lazier than I was and got an appointment so good for you ha ha Ha! I’m just kidding you.
I have had no reaction to the Pfeizer shot #1.
I just got the Pfizer shot 3 hours ago, and so far so good! VT opened the availability for 65+ just on Monday, and already DH and I got our 1st doses! I'm psyched!
Was very happy to hear this on the news: Chicago FD paramedics are making house visits to vaccinate home bound seniors.
Teacher Terry
3-4-21, 9:54pm
I had no reaction to the first dose of Pfizer. This second dose is a beast. I have mostly slept around the clock with headache and alternating between hot or cold. Luckily the dogs are cooperating.
GeorgeParker
3-4-21, 10:02pm
I had no reaction to the first dose of Pfizer. This second dose is a beast. I have mostly slept around the clock with headache and alternating between hot or cold. Luckily the dogs are cooperating.I read an article that said your reaction is common and that it's actually a good thing (even though it's very unpleasant) because it proves your immune system created some immunity in response to the first shot and is now cranking up its protection level in response to seeing the vaccine again.
Teacher Terry
3-4-21, 10:48pm
I figured it was a good thing. An older friend had no reaction. Yesterday and today not fun but I am anticipating tomorrow might be more of the same. My brother was sick for 4 days with Moderna.
iris lilies
3-4-21, 11:27pm
I had no reaction to the first dose of Pfizer. This second dose is a beast. I have mostly slept around the clock with headache and alternating between hot or cold. Luckily the dogs are cooperating.
Well this news sucks. I’ll let you know how it affects me.
SO had no reaction to the first dose of Pfizer except sore arm. Multiple friends have said the same but that the second dose is a bear. But expected.
Given the alternative of dealing with a deadly illness I will reluctantly deal with it if that’s the vaccine I end up getting.
We had no reaction to either shot. Indiana has dropped age to 50+, first responders, and health care. Teachers under 50 can go to the pharmacies to get shots. The huge Indianapolis Motor Speedway is having 4 days of drive in shots. They have 17,000 shots scheduled over the next 4 days at the IMS all scheduled as drive thru stay in car. Final 15 minute wait in a parking lot. The pharmacies will really help the more rural areas who are already used to getting medicine there.
Given the alternative of dealing with a deadly illness I will reluctantly deal with it if that’s the vaccine I end up getting.
That was my take on it, too: it was the best crappy feeling I've ever had, knowing that it indicated the vaccine was working. I may have posted upthread, but the side effects of the second Moderna dose were worse for me but I've been sicker with the flu or other viruses.
Teacher Terry
3-5-21, 12:42pm
Today is definitely better with only a low grade headache with fatigue and sweating. I feel a nap coming. I unloaded and loaded the dishwasher and plan on washing pjs and taking a shower. All this freezing and sweating made me stinky:)). I have been way sicker with the flu. I cancelled my plans for tomorrow and don’t plan on anything until Monday.
They day after our second Pfizer shots and Mom just has a sore arm, and I have a sore arm and feel a bit draggy, nothing bad though.
Came across some interesting poll statistics today. Apparently it's not African American hesitancy about the vaccine that should concern us. It's Republican hesitancy.
When asked "Do you plan to take a coronavirus vaccine if it becomes available?" only 45% of republicans say they have gotten or plan to get it, compared to 89% of democrats. 41% of republicans said no and another 15% were unsure.
When the results were split by race, 62% of white people, compared to 73% of African Americans said they plan to get, or have already gotten, the vaccine.
Of the total population polled 24% said no and 11% were unsure. If these results turn out to be accurate I doubt we'll reach herd immunity.
https://civiqs.com/results/coronavirus_vaccine?annotations=true&uncertainty=true&zoomIn=true
Came across some interesting poll statistics today.
Well, the yearly report on the state of science and engineering education/understanding in the USA pretty consistently reports ~35-40% of Americans think astrology is a predictive science, so... not surprising.
I got my haircut today and both the stylist and me are in public facing positions and were supposed to get the vaccine in March but nothing is on the horizon.
Teacher Terry
3-6-21, 2:09pm
Just read that the first dose of Pfizer is 90% effective 21 days after. The second dose can be given up to 4 months later. It appears that the counties doing one dose to as many people as possible is smarter.
GeorgeParker
3-6-21, 2:56pm
Just read that the first dose of Pfizer is 90% effective 21 days after. The second dose can be given up to 4 months later. It appears that the counties doing one dose to as many people as possible is smarter.They're still in a learning process. The original pubic vaccinations were done using whatever protocol the vaccine maker used in their successful testing procedure. As time goes by and different protocols are tried, it may turn out the original protocol isn't the best way to administer the vaccine. That's normal.
Just read that the first dose of Pfizer is 90% effective 21 days after. The second dose can be given up to 4 months later. It appears that the counties doing one dose to as many people as possible is smarter.
Where is the evidence for this? This was not done in clinical trials and it hasn't been given to the public long enough to have this kind of data.
It's been cold and I've been lethargic and put on 5 pounds. I am now officially overweight, but I have to gain another 23 pounds before I am considered obese, plus pick up smoking if I want to get a vaccine.
iris lilies
3-6-21, 9:36pm
It's been cold and I've been lethargic and put on 5 pounds. I am now officially overweight, but I have to gain another 23 pounds before I am considered obese, plus pick up smoking if I want to get a vaccine.
You go girl!Eat drink and smoke. Have some damn fun.
Teacher Terry
3-6-21, 9:46pm
G, if I find the article again I will post it. It’s from 2/3/21 in Healthday. I didn’t have luck copying and pasting. They are looking at data from Israel because they have been successful in vaccinating their population quickly.
gimmethesimplelife
3-6-21, 10:02pm
I've had two jabs of Pfizer and no side effects. Rob
GeorgeParker
3-6-21, 10:03pm
G, if I find the article again I will post it.Maybe it was this one:
https://consumer.healthday.com/2-5-why-stopping-at-one-dose-of-vaccine-is-a-bad-idea-2650270756.html
(https://consumer.healthday.com/2-5-why-stopping-at-one-dose-of-vaccine-is-a-bad-idea-2650270756.html)Or this one:
https://consumer.healthday.com/b-2-3-pfizer-vaccine-90-effective-after-three-weeks-early-study-shows-2650280984.html
Teacher Terry
3-6-21, 11:34pm
Thanks George it’s the second article.
I've had two jabs of Pfizer and no side effects. Rob
SO didn’t have any side effects from the first Pfizer job except minor sore arm. Hopefully that will be the case when he gets the second one.
Where is the evidence for this? This was not done in clinical trials and it hasn't been given to the public long enough to have this kind of data.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242
Thanks Simone and Terry for bringing this idea out--did not realize the 91% effective 3 weeks after the first dose! That does seem to argue for everyone getting the first dose, doesn't it.
Thanks Simone and Terry for bringing this idea out--did not realize the 91% effective 3 weeks after the first dose! That does seem to argue for everyone getting the first dose, doesn't it.
I agree! Of course I'm getting the second, but that 92% is so reassuring!!
Teacher Terry
3-7-21, 11:53am
My DIL felt safe enough to return to work 18 days after the first dose and no one was more paranoid than her and my son. Once they look further into the data one dose might be sufficient. It will be interesting to see if we need to do this yearly or not. 10% of our population is vaccinated and our positivity rate is 5.4%. I for one am happy to have my life back. I will wear my mask in public spaces but it’s nice to shop myself, eat out and visit friends in their homes. I was surprised how many on here are introverts so don’t really care about the things that I do. My best friend is a introvert but this was way to much for her also. Boom she retired and the pandemic hit.
iris lilies
3-7-21, 12:13pm
My DIL felt safe enough to return to work 18 days after the first dose and no one was more paranoid than her and my son. Once they look further into the data one dose might be sufficient. It will be interesting to see if we need to do this yearly or not. 10% of our population is vaccinated and our positivity rate is 5.4%. I for one am happy to have my life back. I will wear my mask in public spaces but it’s nice to shop myself, eat out and visit friends in their homes. I was surprised how many on here are introverts so don’t really care about the things that I do. My best friend is a introvert but this was way to much for her also. Boom she retired and the pandemic hit.
Agreed I am one of those introverts who is enjoying the pandemic. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have socialization. Just yesterday I sat on the front stoop of my neighbor outside and we hashed business about the neighborhood on three different topics.
I have far too many zoom meetings. I have 11 meetings in 2.5 weeks. Each meeting results in work I have to do.
I’m watching my local iris society for signs of life. Here we are March and I’ve not heard one thing from our president or executive committee about anything. I just point I assume our big regional conference is canceled. I already told the group count me out I won’t be helping with any of it and we need to cancel.
I know that if I step up and open my mouth about it, it will be seen as a bid to take over leader ship which they would like me to do.
I ain’t doing it. I’m in the middle of rewriting the bylaws for that group and I am not stepping into that hornets nest of management until I have a clean set of bylaws I understand.
Agreed I am one of those introverts who is enjoying the pandemic. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have socialization. Just yesterday I sat on the front stoop of my neighbor outside and we hashed business about the neighborhood on three different topics.
I have far too many zoom meetings. I have 11 meetings in 2.5 weeks. Each meeting results in work I have to do.
I’m watching my local iris society for signs of life. Here we are March and I’ve not heard one thing from our president or executive committee about anything. I just point I assume our big regional conference is canceled. I already told the group count me out I won’t be helping with any of it and we need to cancel.
I know that if I step up and open my mouth about it, it will be seen as a bid to take over leader ship which they would like me to do.
I ain’t doing it. I’m in the middle of rewriting the bylaws for that group and I am not stepping into that hornets nest of management until I have a clean set of bylaws I understand.
Wow is all I can say....
I don't think IL is enjoying the pandemic in a general sense. If she's like me, she's enjoying the pandemic's "side effect" of not having to be around people 24/7--having an excuse to lay low. Obviously no one enjoys a pandemic, but the comment was in response to TT's observation that there are a lot of people on this forum who, being introverted by nature, haven't suffered as much as others from the enforced isolation.
Yeah--I'm pretty sure that no one is enjoying the illness and death (and economic pain) of others, but I'm enjoying the peace and quiet and lack of expectations the pandemic has brought, which is how I interpreted Iris Lily's post. I wouldn't mind having a partner and a pod, but I'm doing fine without one.
I am an introvert but that does not give me a pandemic benefit because I have no problem turning down invitations to things I am not interested in.
The only benefit I see is to the environment with more people working from home.
iris lilies
3-7-21, 5:19pm
I don't think IL is enjoying the pandemic in a general sense. If she's like me, she's enjoying the pandemic's "side effect" of not having to be around people 24/7--having an excuse to lay low. Obviously no one enjoys a pandemic, but the comment was in response to TT's observation that there are a lot of people on this forum who, being introverted by nature, haven't suffered as much as others from the enforced isolation.
Oh right! I’m not enjoying the economic and health pain of anyone, Either individually or for our society.
The downtime is nice though.
iris lilies
3-7-21, 5:21pm
I am an introvert but that does not give me a pandemic benefit because I have no problem turning down invitations to things I am not interested in.
The only benefit I see is to the environment with more people working from home.
I don’t do things I’m not interested in, but this pandemic has cut out some of the things I’m interested in. So that has forced me to be more thoughtful about certain aspects of life. Plus it has allowed me to attack my book collection.
I’m telling you, a year ago I couldn’t conceive of cleaning out my book collection I knew it had to be done.And now today I have nearly finished, and could stop any second with just One more trip to the bookstore.
gimmethesimplelife
3-7-21, 7:06pm
I don't think IL is enjoying the pandemic in a general sense. If she's like me, she's enjoying the pandemic's "side effect" of not having to be around people 24/7--having an excuse to lay low. Obviously no one enjoys a pandemic, but the comment was in response to TT's observation that there are a lot of people on this forum who, being introverted by nature, haven't suffered as much as others from the enforced isolation.Raising hand for all to see. YES! Over 500K American lives lost is horrible - no argument there. But if this HAD to happen - I am one of the more fortunate ones. Being introverted by nature makes aspects of this easier to deal with.
One surprise is that I am not missing taking a breather from activism. I am spending more tine checking on neighbors and even sleeping! I am also more present at work with more focus. Rob
The upside of this is personal discovery, for a lot of us. And, as I've mentioned to friends, we are so, so lucky to have a whole world of entertainment, communications, knowledge, and commerce literally at our fingertips during what could have been an even more difficult time.
The upside of this is personal discovery, for a lot of us. And, as I've mentioned to friends, we are so, so lucky to have a whole world of entertainment, communications, knowledge, and commerce literally at our fingertips during what could have been an even more difficult time.
Yep. As I've mentioned before, as I was used to living alone, it wasn't too bad. I was more bored than anything, especially since I was laid off for four months.
early morning
3-8-21, 1:02pm
Count me in as one for whom isolation has not been a problem. I tend to live inside my own head, so no real changes there, lol! Dh and and I are scheduled for the vaccine. He gets the one-shot on Friday, and I have my first of two next Monday. I am annoyed that we can't get them back-to-back, and have to go to two separate locations, but availability here is abysmal, and I am relieved to at least be scheduled. Now to wait for DD and SC to be eligible! SC has had Covid but does NOT want to have it again!
Isolation has been both a boon and the opposite for me. I probably never would have turned into a seed maniac without this time spent alone and it is now a passion. Finally getting to know my way around a new town and make friends only to have it all disappear has not been fun. On the topic of vaccines, I think the media perpetuates a sense that vaccines give the all clear to normalcy. My understanding is that one can still give and get the virus after vaccines but are not very likely to have serious illness or hospitalization from it. Which I guess is a good thing.
early morning
3-8-21, 1:15pm
one can still give and get the virus after vaccines but are not very likely to have serious illness or hospitalization from it. That's my understanding, also. SC was told that they would be much less likely to get it again and should at minimum have reduced symptoms once they were vaccinated. Which may be a little while as they are not in a current priority group.
CDC guidelines for the fully vaccinated:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
Teacher Terry
3-8-21, 1:44pm
It’s unknown if vaccinated people can pass the virus and data from Israel suggests that is not true. It’s so early so many things unknown about the vaccine and virus. I am following cdc guidelines now. Luckily all my friends and family locally are vaccinated.
It’s so early so many things unknown about the vaccine and virus.
This. Around this time a year ago we were quarantining our mail and bleaching our canned goods. We have a lot left to learn.
Teacher Terry
3-8-21, 2:24pm
I wasn’t doing any of those things. It was a bridge too far.
I wasn’t doing any of those things. It was a bridge too far.
I wasn’t either but I WAS washing my hands when I got home from the store and then again 5 minutes later after putting everything away. I just assumed that the virus would decay enough by the time we again touched everything.
iris lilies
3-8-21, 5:00pm
I wasn’t either but I WAS washing my hands when I got home from the store and then again 5 minutes later after putting everything away. I just assumed that the virus would decay enough by the time we again touched everything.
I still do that.
I still do that.
Actually, now that I think about it, I do too. It had just become so routine that I forgot...
GeorgeParker
3-8-21, 5:41pm
I heard a warning on NPR this morning. Swollen lymph nodes are a known side effect of Covid vaccines. Some doctors are telling patients with swollen lymph nodes to get a mammogram or even a lymph node biopsy because they don't realize it's a side effect of the shot. https://www.uhhospitals.org/Healthy-at-UH/articles/2021/02/surprising-side-effect-of-covid-19-vaccine-swollen-lymph-nodes
Teacher Terry
3-8-21, 9:33pm
That’s good to know George.
My parents got their second Pfizer shot yesterday and are sick today - very weak, cold though today was close to 70, and hitting the bathroom frequently. I feel badly they missed the nicest day of the year yet huddling indoors under blankets.
Simplemind
3-11-21, 9:08pm
I go for my J&J shot tomorrow. Still looking for any type for my husband.
My parents got their second Pfizer shot yesterday and are sick today - very weak, cold though today was close to 70, and hitting the bathroom frequently. I feel badly they missed the nicest day of the year yet huddling indoors under blankets.
Common with the 2nd.
Jane v2.0
3-12-21, 12:43am
I strongly doubt that will be the last nice day this year, and they'll be alive to enjoy more.
I hope so Jane. Some older people have died after getting the vaccine, but it seems better to get it than not because if you don't get it the virus can kill you.
Two of my friends are scheduled to get their vaccine in Oregon today.
President Biden's speech last night was very encouraging; he's such a breath of fresh air.
GeorgeParker
3-12-21, 4:57pm
I put myself on the Tarrant County (Fort Worth Texas) health department vaccine list on March 3rd. Got an email on the 8th saying I could get the vaccine on March 11 between 4-5pm at stadium in Arlington. I was impressed by how fast that happened because I'm 70 but have no other qualifications for getting a fast appointment.
There were a ton of people there, but it was very orderly. The line was very long, but it was constantly moving at a casual walking speed (about 1 mph). The vaccination process, including being in line, took 20-30 minutes followed by 15 minutes sitting in an observation area.
This site was being run by FEMA using local fire department personnel and national guard troops to do the actual work. Everyone was very efficient, polite, and professional.
I barely felt the shot, and 20 hours later my only side effects have been a slight fever (less than 1 degree) a little bit of soreness in the arm where it was administered, and I slept a couple hours longer than normal last night and slept more soundly than normal. So far so good. I'm keeping my fingers crossed about the second dose.
Random observations:
They put the shot in your upper arm right next to the shoulder, not the bicep, so wear a muscle shirt, or a loose fitting short sleeve shirt that will easily pull up over your shoulder, or something similar that will easily expose your entire shoulder.
There was no "walk this way" signage in the parking lot, but there was a steady enough flow of people streaming out of the building to indicate where the path from parking to building entrance was.
As you enter the parking lot they ask to see a copy of the appointment confirmation email you received as proof you have an appointment and they give you a ticket which will let you enter the building. Inside the building they take that ticket and give you a card with a QR code you're supposed to scan with your phone to do the check-jn process. If you have a dinosaur phone, like I do, you tell the next worker you encounter that you don't have a smart phone, and that person will pass you through a fence into an area where people with laptops do the check-in process for you and pass you directly to the vaccination area.
GeorgeParker
3-12-21, 5:54pm
I hope so Jane. Some older people have died after getting the vaccine, but it seems better to get it than not because if you don't get it the virus can kill you.Please be clear about this. Some people have died after getting the vaccine. There is no evidence that anyone has died because of getting the vaccine. Ref: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Quote: "Over 92 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 8, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,637 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS."
There was no "walk this way" signage in the parking lot, but there was a steady enough flow of people streaming out of the building to indicate where the path from parking to building entrance was.
As you enter the parking lot they ask to see a copy of the appointment confirmation email you received as proof you have an appointment and they give you a ticket which will let you enter the building. Inside the building they take that ticket and give you a card with a QR code you're supposed to scan with your phone to do the check-jn process. If you have a dinosaur phone, like I do, you tell the next worker you encounter that you don't have a smart phone, and that person will pass you through a fence into an area where people with laptops do the check-in process for you and pass you directly to the vaccination area.
Well, doesn't surprise me--those folks down in FW know something about herding cattle and people too, I guess.
Our COO has been able to sign up for supplies of the J&J vaccine since we are essential workers, but does not know when the doses will come in.
GeorgeParker
3-12-21, 6:35pm
Well, doesn't surprise me--those folks down in FW know something about herding cattle and people too, I guess.Not so much Fort Worth as National Guard imo. The military services are very experienced at taking hundreds of random civilians and quickly moving them through a qualification, examination, and registration process as each new batch of recruits comes in.
Giving thousands of people a vaccination shot during an 8-hour day is simple by comparison. Just line em up and keep em moving from station to station till they come out the other end.
rosarugosa
3-12-21, 7:40pm
Please be clear about this. Some people have died after getting the vaccine. There is no evidence that anyone has died because of getting the vaccine. Ref: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Quote: "Over 92 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 8, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,637 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS."
Good point. I suppose all of us who are vaccinated will die after having been vaccinated, sooner or later.
Good point. I suppose all of us who are vaccinated will die after having been vaccinated, sooner or later.
True. And people who’ve not been vaccinated die every day as well. 1,637 is just over 100 people per week during that time frame. A drop in the bucket compared to the number of people who would be expected to die of some cause considering that 2.8 million people die in the US during an average year. (That’s almost 54,000 per week). So could they have died from the vaccine? Sure. Did they? Probably not but it’s good that the deaths are being investigated.
iris lilies
3-12-21, 8:25pm
I hope so Jane. Some older people have died after getting the vaccine, but it seems better to get it than not because if you don't get it the virus can kill you.
Yes, someone in my circle died after Having been in a nursing home for several years, had Covid, recovered, was given the vaccine, and died soon after. It is hard for his family to accept that was a coincidence.
What does “the science” say about this? I don’t know, I haven’t poked around the Internet to see what’s going on about it since I doubt there’s any authoritative information yet.
Some years ago my aunt died in her sleep. Ever since I've been afraid to go to sleep since obviously sleep kills people.
ApatheticNoMore
3-13-21, 12:08am
It's true we don't know anything for sure about long term safety, but it's the only way we are going to get our lives back. So it's the obvious choice IMO, to get the vaccine. Not that everyone could hide forever even if they wanted to, not possible. That person in the nursing home is the kind of edge case that would make me wonder if they needed to get vaccinated, confirmed with a test to already have immunity and feeble, hmm.
Teacher Terry
3-13-21, 12:39am
The National guard here is doing a drive through vaccine so you never get out of your car or close to others. Then you sit in a parking lot 15 minutes to make sure that you are fine or 30 if you have had a reaction previously to a vaccine.
Simplemind
3-13-21, 1:24am
Finally got my J&J vaccine today after being turned down for a pfizer a few weeks back. One and done baby!!!
iris lilies
3-13-21, 10:34am
Some years ago my aunt died in her sleep. Ever since I've been afraid to go to sleep since obviously sleep kills people.
So you are categorically denying any relationship between Covid vaccine and death in the elderly? Interesting. That doesn’t seem very open minded to any science that may come down the pike.
https://www.thestreet.com/latest-news/23-died-after-covid-shot-in-norway-heres-the-rest-of-the-story
This article talks about death among the elderly with a Pfizer vaccine and how there appears to be a link.
Being a little more open minded to this possibility than you apparently are, I think it’s reasonable to be concerned about frail persons who have already survived Covid been given en masse this vaccine.
I accept that some serious side effects or even death may result across society from this immunization effort. Side effects and death happen with any immunization. But to purposely block out an at risk population if the science is sketchy about it seems wrongheaded.
In the dog world this reminds me of people who are hysterical about neutering and spaying their pets. Actually they’re hysterical about me neutering and spaying MY pets. They’re attempting to solve a societal problem of over population by demanding my health compromised pets go through major surgery. No I don’t think so.
And Poor Hank Aaron, 86, who took the Covid shot to show African-Americans it is safe and he then died. Oh I know it’s been determined there’s no connection, and I believe that, but man the optics are bad.
iris lilies
3-13-21, 10:43am
Finally got my J&J vaccine today after being turned down for a pfizer a few weeks back. One and done baby!!!
Good news!
Teacher Terry
3-13-21, 11:03am
I think we need to examine deaths after getting the vaccine so proper advice can be given to this population prior to making the decision. People in rescue get rapid about fixing dogs where in some instances it’s just not necessary but dangerous.
iris lilies
3-13-21, 11:17am
I think we need to examine deaths after getting the vaccine so proper advice can be given to this population prior to making the decision. People in rescue get rapid about fixing dogs where in some instances it’s just not necessary but dangerous.
Fortunately, our rescue head is well-versed on health issues and we do not always neuter or spay. Also we are not universally giving vaccines to elderly pets.
My last beloved dog was immune compromised and at the age of four he was not neutered. I was not planning on having him neutered. But then, he got kidney stones and since he was laying out on the surgical table for that Problem, we neutered him while he was there. He was healthier and happier because of it, so that worked out.At the same time we had an unspayed female in our house so that would’ve required separations during her heat cycle, but I was willing to handle that. She died with her reproductive organs intact.
So you are categorically denying any relationship between Covid vaccine and death in the elderly? Interesting. That doesn’t seem very open minded to any science that may come down the pike.
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I think I made it clear a few comments earlier that I was glad it was being investigated.
So could they have died from the vaccine? Sure. Did they? Probably not but it’s good that the deaths are being investigated.
There are always some outliers who react badly to vaccines or their adjuvants. These cases should never be ignored.
iris lilies
3-13-21, 3:14pm
I think I made it clear a few comments earlier that I was glad it was being investigated.
oh ok. So, you are open to the possibility that fragile elderly people who have had Covid perhaps would not be a population to inoculate if the investigations show causal relationships between vaccine and death.
GeorgeParker
3-13-21, 3:23pm
https://www.thestreet.com/latest-news/23-died-after-covid-shot-in-norway-heres-the-rest-of-the-story This article talks about death among the elderly with a Pfizer vaccine and how there appears to be a link.Two relevant quotes from that article:
"the normal procedure is to report all suspected adverse reactions for new vaccines. Health care professionals in Norway have a low threshold for reporting possible adverse reactions, even when the causal relationships appear very unclear."
"We are now asking for doctors to continue with the vaccination, but to carry out extra evaluation of very sick people whose underlying condition might be aggravated by it."
IOW they think doctors should be cautious about giving the vaccine to people who are already very frail or have serious underlying condition(s) because the known potential reactions to the vaccine might aggravate their underlying condition or put an excess strain on their body, and this is especially so if the patient has already had Covid-19 and recovered from it.
I'll endorse that position 100%. It's plain common sense, especially at this early stage of Covid vaccine usage. But even so, the link is so very tentative that the officials are couching their concerns in terms of there being "a low threshold for reporting...even when the causal relationships appear very unclear."
I think it’s reasonable to be concerned about frail persons who have already survived Covid been given en masse this vaccine.I agree. Everything has a risk:reward ratio, and sometimes that ratio is under estimated or downplayed because the reward is so important in comparison to the relatively small average risk. But average risk isn't always the same as individual risk, so individual decisions have to be made, even when mass vaccinations are being offered.
And Poor Hank Aaron, 86, who took the Covid shot to show African-Americans it is safe and he then died. Oh I know it’s been determined there’s no connection, and I believe that, but man the optics are bad.Yes, it is unfortunate optics, but as you said, there's no indication that Hank Aaron's death was in any way related to him being vaccinated. Ref: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/scicheck-hank-aarons-death-attributed-to-natural-causes/
Significant Quotes from that URL:
In a statement emailed to AFP Fact Check (https://factcheck.afp.com/hall-famer-hank-aarons-death-unrelated-covid-19-vaccination), the county medical examiner, Karen Sullivan, said: “There was no information suggestive of an allergic or anaphylactic reaction to any substance which might be attributable to recent vaccine distribution.” She added: “In addition, examination of Mr. Aaron’s body did not suggest his death was due to any event other than that associated with his medical history.”
Andrew Young (https://history.house.gov/People/Detail/21064), the former congressman, mayor and U.S. ambassador, who also was vaccinated at the clinic the same day as Aaron, told Atlanta’s 11Alive (https://www.11alive.com/article/sports/mlb/atlanta-braves/hank-aaron-cause-of-death-natural-medical-examiner-says/85-8260cf39-f023-4963-b3cd-bea3cd7e358a) that he was told Aaron “never had any reaction” to the shot prior to his death. “I talked to the fella who was his driver, and I said, ‘was Hank feeling any discomfort or any problem over the last few days?’ and he said, ‘no, he wanted to keep his schedule,'” the news station quoted Young as saying.
To which I will add a reminder that "correlation is not causation" https://towardsdatascience.com/why-correlation-does-not-imply-causation-5b99790df07e and "post hoc ergo propter hoc" (after it, therefore because of it) is a fallacy https://fallacyinlogic.com/post-hoc-fallacy-definition-and-examples/
My dad died 10 days after getting his first vaccine. But there were so many other forces at work, I would be loathe to blame the vaccine. Perhaps it contributed, who knows.
iris lilies
3-13-21, 4:43pm
My dad died 10 days after getting his first vaccine. But there were so many other forces at work, I would be loathe to blame the vaccine. Perhaps it contributed, who knows.
I am sorry to hear this.
I am sorry to hear this.
Thank you.
Tybee, so sorry to hear about your dad.
Tybee, so sorry to hear about your dad.
thank you, Tradd.
I'm sorry Tybee. Had you moved to Maine to be near him only to lose him?
My dad died 10 days after getting his first vaccine. But there were so many other forces at work, I would be loathe to blame the vaccine. Perhaps it contributed, who knows.
I'm sorry, Tybee.
I do remember reading in the news not long ago that people still can catch COVID-19 after the first dose of the vaccine is injected. "Full" immunity is not reached until (for some vaccines) a second shot is given and some more time elapses. I would think that while the body is learning how to fight the virus imitator the margin it has to address other issues may be significantly lower than usual.
Thank you, Steve, and Tradd. Tradd, we moved to be closer to him and my mother, who has advanced dementia, and we got to see him once he got the first shot, and then he died 9 days later. No one was allowed in to see him until the last week of his life. when we were allowed compassionate care visits.
rosarugosa
3-13-21, 8:57pm
I'm so sorry about your dad, Tybee.
I'm so sorry about your dad, Tybee.
Thank you, Rosa.
Thank you, Steve, and Tradd. Tradd, we moved to be closer to him and my mother, who has advanced dementia, and we got to see him once he got the first shot, and then he died 9 days later. No one was allowed in to see him until the last week of his life. when we were allowed compassionate care visits.
:(
So glad you at least got to see him once. Sounds like he had been ill for a while.
Teacher Terry
3-13-21, 9:57pm
That’s sad Tybee. I am sorry.
That is tough to have happen. Your mother has now gone into nursing home care for her dementia, hasn't she? That is a lot to happen in a short period of time.
GeorgeParker
3-14-21, 2:40am
My sympathies, Tybee. We're never quite ready for this, even though we know it's inevitable.
So sorry Tybee. I lost my dad last year, and my mother has dementia too, but so far able to manage with substantial help from her kids to stay in her house.
:(
So glad you at least got to see him once. Sounds like he had been ill for a while.
Yes, so that is why I don't think getting the vaccine hurt him; it was just coincidence. Or a contributing factor, but he had hung on for a very long time.
Thank you, Terry, George and razz, and so sorry to have derailed the threat. Yes, Mom is in a facility for her dementia. Thank you, herbgeek, it is hard, isn't it. Mom was way happier at home, but she could not stay there anymore.
happystuff
3-14-21, 10:55am
Tybee, so sorry for your loss.
Tybee, so sorry for your loss.
Thank you, happystuff.
gimmethesimplelife
3-14-21, 8:13pm
I'm sorry for your loss, Tybee. Rob
I'm sorry for your loss, Tybee. Rob
Thanks, Rob. Like George said, no matter how inevitable, you are never ready.
I am sorry for your loss Tybee.
DH has had both parents go into a facility over the last 3 months. MIL has dementia and FIL was recently diagnosed with cancer and is in rehab facility for now. He may go home but for how long is up to question. It's a lot to go through in such a short time and I feel for you.
My condolences, Tybee. I lost both my parents when I was 35 so time has healed. I can't imagine how much harder it would be losing them now - 30 years later.
BikingLady
3-15-21, 5:45pm
I will and I want the vaccine.
I am in MI, the ages are open to all now however our county has so few to give. Last week there were 1,500 allocated and the sign up was over in 30 minutes. I debated lying and saying I was smoker, but waited and all lots filled. Today the notice came that tomorrow will be sign up again. I miss the boat again as Homeless are now prioritized over 60 year olds. Last week was even high BMI could try to get one. I say I am to healthy and to rich to get the vaccine here in this county. I am actually surprised at the restrictions each week.
Here they aren’t opening up new tiers until most of the last tier that wants it is done. I have several friends eligible for the next tier which opens tomorrow (people with qualifying health conditions, any age). There were a lot of spots available but the system won’t let you sign up for an appointment time to until your tier is officially open, even if the appointment will be after that tier is open. So it seems like most of the over 65’s that want a jab have gotten one.
Thank you, Pinkytoe and Saguaro. I am sorry that your fil had to go in to a facility now--it is very difficult as visitation is so limited.
I got my first jab today.
I got my first jab today.
Watch out, that can be a setup for an uppercut!
I got my first jab today.
A little jab’ll do ya.
A little jab’ll do ya.
Pfiiiiizer, a little jab'll do ya. You'll love the normalized boost it gives you life!
BikingLady
3-24-21, 6:12pm
I ended up getting my first shot last week as did Hubby. I ended up saying I smoked, did not matter no one asked nor did they ask for my drivers license. I feel very relieved.
iris lilies
3-24-21, 6:31pm
Got 2nd Pfizer shot today. Will let you all know if I get sick.
Got 2nd Pfizer shot today. Will let you all know if I get sick.
Hey, so did DH! We can compare notes. I get my second one next Thursday.
I ended up getting my first shot last week as did Hubby. I ended up saying I smoked, did not matter no one asked nor did they ask for my drivers license. I feel very relieved.
So do you smoke or did you make that up?
Two of the Bay Area counties are now doing anyone 50+. Hopefully my county or San Francisco will soon follow.
We still cannot get essential workers vaccinated. I don't see the vaccine in my state being available to everyone by Biden's deadline.
ApatheticNoMore
3-24-21, 8:53pm
I thought this stuff was supposed to be distributed on a state level, I guess it's which country bribes someone.
I thought this stuff was supposed to be distributed on a state level, I guess it's which country bribes someone.
Here in IL, it’s county dependent.
We opened up to 55+ yesterday (for all not just comorbids). Our state anticipates all 16+ on April 5. We were waaaay behind on vaccine delivery until 3 weeks ago.
Chicken lady
3-24-21, 9:30pm
We are open to anyone. All of my Non-teacher kids got vaccinated in the last two days. One through work - in a different state, one on the leftover call list (she had to drive 45 minutes and they stayed late for her) and two by driving an hour and a half to a rural county with low demand - slots are available there next day.
At least two of my high school students have appointments next week!
Teacher Terry
3-24-21, 10:47pm
We are vaccinating everyone 16 and up with preexisting conditions.
Indiana is opening it up to any resident over 16 on March 31. Going to do some more drive in vaccine spots. One at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway is very popular. They are going to do it again in April and hope to push thru 100,000 people in 16 days. They are using the one shot vaccines for these.
I still like the registration idea so 1,000 people dont decide to come in the first hour and create long lines of waiting people or cars. Spreads out the work in a more reasonable fashion and helps the small clinics keep organized.
ApatheticNoMore
3-25-21, 12:05pm
Truthfully this vaccine does not seem to have been distributed evenly on the basis of population at all (have to give more vaccines to large population centers to get an equal % vaccinated). Either to states or within states.
BikingLady
3-25-21, 6:00pm
So do you smoke or did you make that up?
No I don't smoke, I was never asked if I did so I really did not have to lie. I was never asked for my driver License either. I am 60 and guess I look 65 as on that day 65 and over were welcome.
No I don't smoke, I was never asked if I did so I really did not have to lie. I was never asked for my driver License either. I am 60 and guess I look 65 as on that day 65 and over were welcome.
Do you always cut lines, or only when it comes to vaccines?
BikingLady
3-25-21, 6:25pm
Always if my health is at risk and there is no restriction one week and next there is, thank you kindly for asking. If it was an issue for the county they would have asked why I was getting vaccine.
Always if my health is at risk and there is no restriction one week and next there is, thank you kindly for asking. If it was an issue for the county they would have asked why I was getting vaccine.
So you can't wait one week to let higher risk people go ahead of you. It's all about you and your health.
You said if it were an issue the county would have asked - and if they had you would have lied and said you were a smoker.
Do you also go to the early hours at stores set aside for high risk people even if you're not eligible and if the store gatekeeper assumes you're there legitimately and doesn't ask you then you think that's justified? Or would you lie there too if challenged?
Always if my health is at risk and there is no restriction one week and next there is, thank you kindly for asking. If it was an issue for the county they would have asked why I was getting vaccine.
Is your last name Cuomo? I just saw on the news how his family got covid tests ahead of higher risk people.
BikingLady
3-25-21, 7:36pm
Oh gosh thank you for your concerns. I don’t know this Como person. . I was the one who gave up everything to not see my beloved father die. Allowed in on his last breath after being by his side for years😥. Never leaving his window during last year. The pain will neff beer leave me for that. I was separated from my husband for 186 night last year as he was deemed essential. Son on disability who I supported through this stress. Michigan is open to most soon everyone. Some counties are fully accepting all. I could have driven else where I suppose.
I can tell you have deep feelings and I respect that. I won’t judge you my friend. Peace
Oh gosh thank you for your concerns. I don’t know this Como person. . I was the one who gave up everything to not see my beloved father die. Allowed in on his last breath after being by his side for years��. Never leaving his window during last year. The pain will neff beer leave me for that. I was separated from my husband for 186 night last year as he was deemed essential. Son on disability who I supported through this stress. Michigan is open to most soon everyone. Some counties are fully accepting all. I could have driven else where I suppose.
I can tell you have deep feelings and I respect that. I won’t judge you my friend. Peace
Stress can bring out the best in people or it can bring out cheating and lying. Covid has not been easy on anyone, least of all the 49 people in Michigan who died of covid today, or those who will die in the weeks to come and might have lived had they gotten the vaccine you got instead, you who are healthy enough to bike everywhere.
Is your last name Cuomo? I just saw on the news how his family got covid tests ahead of higher risk people.
Not unusual for leaders to get them. 45 got one every GD day remember? But no safety for those around him.
So you can't wait one week to let higher risk people go ahead of you. It's all about you and your health.
You said if it were an issue the county would have asked - and if they had you would have lied and said you were a smoker.
Do you also go to the early hours at stores set aside for high risk people even if you're not eligible and if the store gatekeeper assumes you're there legitimately and doesn't ask you then you think that's justified? Or would you lie there too if challenged?
Wow. But then, I guess your disregard for what she has been through doesn't surprise me. Your absence of compassion is astounding.
Getting 90k a day now. Going to 16y (Pfizer) on April 5. We started with a dismal supply.
Teacher Terry
3-25-21, 10:11pm
Biking lady, you have really been through a tough time. I hope this year is much better for you.
Biking lady, the 'ignore' option has been helpful when I needed a break from the unpleasant posts of another but you have handled them with such grace. I do admire you and your resilience with all the challenges that you have dealt with recently in addition to covid.
Stress can bring out the best in people or it can bring out cheating and lying.
It also seems to bring out catty backbiting and judginess in people.
It also seems to bring out catty backbiting and judginess in people.
When something is wrong it should be judged. This is this sense of the word in the Bible where judgment is intertwined with notions of justice and righteousness.
There used to be a strong ethic around this. For instance, young men gave up their seats on lifeboats on the Titanic to women and children so they would not die. Now we have an everyone for themselves ethic where healthy people think it is okay to cheat and lie so their health is not impaired never mind if someone else dies. If you don't think this deserves judgment then your standards are pretty low, and I have to wonder if you only judge people who you know to be Republicans. What about Democrat Cuomo letting his friends and cronies jump to the head of the covid testing line ahead of other more vulnerable people. Is that something you also think should not be judged?
You certainly haven't hesitated to judge and insult me because I disagree with you on mask policy though I have followed all the laws in my very strict state regarding covid, and have not cheated or lied to get around covid regulations. At one point I recall you wishing I would die, and on numerous occasions you directed profanity my way. Is that judgy?
BikingLady
3-26-21, 8:20am
Sorry for causing issues here. I personally have never brought up covid to anyone other than family as I underStand there are so many sides this was the first time and last time. After this posting I checked last evening on why I was allowed shot last week without questioning me or reasons. When there were extras or cancellations anyone could walk in no restrictions. Ford Field had so many extras yesterday anyone could walk-in later. I suppose each part of country is different.
I am really glad you were able to get your first shot, BikingLady. My condolences on the loss of your dad--I went through same with my dad this past year, and there are no words for how terrible it is to be separated at the end of life, when you have always been there for your parent. The pain is unrelenting.
iris lilies
3-26-21, 9:52am
I have had no ill effects from Pfizer shot #2 and it has been 44 hours. I think I am in the clear.
I dont normally have reactions to vaccines anyway.
catherine
3-26-21, 10:28am
I have had no ill effects from Pfizer shot #2 and it has been 44 hours. I think I am in the clear.
I dont normally have reactions to vaccines anyway.
DH had no side effects from the second shot, either, but if he had any they were probably masked by the pain he had from extensive oral surgery yesterday. Glad to hear you're fully vaccinated with no ill effects, IL!
Sorry for causing issues here. I personally have never brought up covid to anyone other than family as I underStand there are so many sides this was the first time and last time. After this posting I checked last evening on why I was allowed shot last week without questioning me or reasons. When there were extras or cancellations anyone could walk in no restrictions. Ford Field had so many extras yesterday anyone could walk-in later. I suppose each part of country is different.
This is very common Biking Lady. You did not deserve attack. I gave vaccines yesterday. We had several no-call/no-shows. It is critical that we administer every single precious dose of this vaccination. Expiration times are strict and we do not administer even 1 minute past. And with J/J it is super critical as the administration window is just 120 minutes where the others are 6 hours.
Every non-hospital administration site in town has a waitlist and you are required to appear within 30 minutes. Our desk secretary was calling ahead yesterday to get folks to come earlier. Our pharmacists are working hard to time thaw/dilute/drawup/label in a timely manner so we never give cold vaccine nor make a patient wait. A runner brought me 4-6 at a time and then as the morning aged just 2-3 at a time. My last administration, I took the last one on my neighbor vaccinator's table so it was a perfect flow and not a 1 to be rushed into an arm after lunch.
PLEASE be proud, Biking Lady, that you prevented the waste of a vaccine. I applaud you for making a last minute dash to get it!!!!
I have had no ill effects from Pfizer shot #2 and it has been 44 hours. I think I am in the clear.
I dont normally have reactions to vaccines anyway.
Fantastic! Yup, at 44h you're all clear:cool:
happystuff
3-26-21, 10:39am
Sorry for causing issues here. I personally have never brought up covid to anyone other than family as I underStand there are so many sides this was the first time and last time. After this posting I checked last evening on why I was allowed shot last week without questioning me or reasons. When there were extras or cancellations anyone could walk in no restrictions. Ford Field had so many extras yesterday anyone could walk-in later. I suppose each part of country is different.
It's the same in my area. If you happen to hit the right place at the right time and there are extras - it's a legit win. Good for you!
Don't mind the whining of others as it seems to be how THEY are dealing with things - not a reflection on anyone but themselves.
Sorry for causing issues here. I personally have never brought up covid to anyone other than family as I underStand there are so many sides this was the first time and last time. After this posting I checked last evening on why I was allowed shot last week without questioning me or reasons. When there were extras or cancellations anyone could walk in no restrictions. Ford Field had so many extras yesterday anyone could walk-in later. I suppose each part of country is different.
I'm not surprised that you haven't brought up outside of these forums that you planned to lie and say you were a smoker so you could get a vaccine you were not eligible for. In the language that has been suggested that I use, I would not be okay with that. I think most people would not be okay with that, and that's probably why you were quiet IRL. I was surprised you would admit to this plan here. Maybe nothing should surprise me anymore.
And as also suggested here I am telling you this person to person not third person.
happystuff
3-26-21, 11:20am
Sorry for causing issues here. I personally have never brought up covid to anyone other than family as I underStand there are so many sides this was the first time and last time. After this posting I checked last evening on why I was allowed shot last week without questioning me or reasons. When there were extras or cancellations anyone could walk in no restrictions. Ford Field had so many extras yesterday anyone could walk-in later. I suppose each part of country is different.
Wanted to add that YOU did not cause any issues to be sorry for. You have shared honestly and openly, and - again - regardless of anything else, you got lucky and got a vaccine according to the rules and regulations in place for your area at the time you went.
You have shared honestly.
Sharing honestly that you planned to lie - hmmm. Interesting choice of words happystuff.
iris lilies
3-26-21, 11:24am
It is amazing to me how many people I know have lost a parent in the past 12 months. Some deaths due to Covid, some not. I suppose it is because I am at an age where my friends both IRL and online have very elderly parents.
happystuff
3-26-21, 11:25am
Sharing honestly that you planned to lie - hmmm. Interesting choice of words happystuff.
Thinking something and actually doing it are two different things. Ultimately she shared HONESTLY, but did NOTHING wrong. If we were all condemned as you are doing for what we "think", no one would be excluded.
dado potato
3-26-21, 11:28am
I received with gratitude the 2nd Moderna jab this morning. In a couple weeks my Dear Wife would like to go out for a fish fry. (It has been a year since we went out to a restaurant.)
happystuff
3-26-21, 11:30am
I received with gratitude the 2nd Moderna jab this morning. In a couple weeks my Dear Wife would like to go out for a fish fry. (It has been a year since we went out to a restaurant.)
If you are willing to share, I would like to know if you get side effects with the 2nd. I go for my 2nd Moderna next month and hear mixed results - which makes sense, as we are all different.
ApatheticNoMore
3-26-21, 11:43am
Sharing honestly that you planned to lie - hmmm. Interesting choice of words happystuff.
you share honestly that you wear your mask inside out.
Anyway as for cheating are the states/cities that are offering the vaccine to everyone 16 and over "cheating" the states/cities who aren't even offering it to 64 year olds. Because it's not available to over 50 or over 60 (but under 65) here yet unless you can show preexisting conditions (oh and on those preexisting conditions you can't even say "I have diabetes" and prove it, by the rules it's only available to A1C of uncontrolled diabetes etc.), but apparently some places you can be a perfectly healthy 17 year old and walk right in.
The problem is the government has opened everything up (what a bunch of jerks they are) instead of rationally keeping things closed until a couple months from now when everyone is vaccinated (you want to talk immoral: this government action is it - only like 2 months and everyone would be vaccinated but they can't wait to open restaurants - the government has chosen commerce over human lives all along, they let the hospitals get overwhelmed for xmas shopping), and yet high risk people say 60 but under 65 or those with preexisting conditions that fall just under the line, STILL can't get the vaccine.
Just a bit of nuance, that this vaccine thing isn't some platonic ideal of fairness to begin with, because yeppej chose to open a random attack on a forum member who had done nothing to her, drive by shooter style.
Anyway as for cheating are the states/cities that are offering the vaccine to everyone 16 and over "cheating" the states/cities who aren't even offering it to 64 year olds. Because it's not available to over 50 or over 60 (but under 65) here yet unless you can show preexisting conditions (oh and on those preexisting conditions you can't even say "I have diabetes" and prove it, by the rules it's only available to A1C of uncontrolled diabetes etc.), but apparently some places you can be a perfectly healthy 17 year old and walk right in.
I have the same reaction Apathetic, that some states have it much, much easier than other states, and I would prefer that the standards be country-wide. By age, by exposure--so anybody who works in a grocery should get it right after healthcare workers, as should teachers. But it has not played out that way, and I have found it pretty disheartening to hear stories of healthy people getting shots before people like my son's bil, with multiple organ transplants.
But unfortunately, that's just the way it has worked out.
the 'ignore' option has been helpful.
I think Ignore is a good option. I am going to use it for a member who openly admits she has no problem being dishonest. I like to have online conversations with people who are honest. Thank you for making this suggestion Razz.
happystuff
3-26-21, 12:38pm
I think Ignore is a good option. I am going to use it for a member who openly admits she has no problem being dishonest. I like to have online conversations with people who are honest. Thank you for making this suggestion Razz.
Good choice. Hoping that your self-regulating of the posts you expose yourself to helps.
dado potato
3-26-21, 1:56pm
If you are willing to share, I would like to know if you get side effects with the 2nd. I go for my 2nd Moderna next month and hear mixed results - which makes sense, as we are all different.
3 hours after the shot, I am not aware of any problems. I decided I would keep my calendar free today. So I am sitting around, drinking herbal teas, snacking, and reading. Later, when the outdoor temperature gets up to the high for today (37F) I plan to take my regular 4-mile walk.
SO got the second Pfizer Wednesday. No side effects.
This is probably old news, but Dr. Fauci and others in the know say if you or someone you know should get infected with COVID, get a monoclonal antibody infusion as soon as you can. Supposedly, it won't cost you anything, and will prevent you from getting deathly ill.
iris lilies
3-27-21, 8:45am
SO got the second Pfizer Wednesday. No side effects.That is the same day I got my 2nd Pfizer shot too! No side effects for me either.
Has anyone here had the J & J vaccine? It doesn't seem to have shown up here yet.
happystuff
3-27-21, 11:04am
3 hours after the shot, I am not aware of any problems. I decided I would keep my calendar free today. So I am sitting around, drinking herbal teas, snacking, and reading. Later, when the outdoor temperature gets up to the high for today (37F) I plan to take my regular 4-mile walk.
Thanks for the update. Glad it is going/went well for you. Makes me a little more hopeful.
Has anyone here had the J & J vaccine? It doesn't seem to have shown up here yet.
We received our first batch in town last week Wednesday so administered on 3/18. None since.
dado potato
3-27-21, 11:23am
Thanks for the update. Glad it is going/went well for you. Makes me a little more hopeful.
The night after I got the second Moderna jab was rough. In bed I felt awful, with chills, soreness at my shoulder where I got the injection, and numbness of the hand on that arm. I got up about 6 AM, and I hung on to the handrail going downstairs... feeling a little dizzy. Sitting in a chair, I thought I was mentally sharp, discussing the Hulu movie "In & Of Itself". I went back to bed under an electric blanket set to the Max temperature, and slept from 7 to 9. I woke up raring to go, feeling normal, only with a shoulder muscle that hurts when I use it.
On balance, now that I am back to normal, I remain grateful for the vaccine. The discomfort was worthwhile to me.
happystuff
3-27-21, 11:29am
The night after I got the second Moderna jab was rough. In bed I felt awful, with chills, soreness at my shoulder where I got the injection, and numbness of the hand on that arm. I got up about 6 AM, and I hung on to the handrail going downstairs... feeling a little dizzy. Sitting in a chair, I thought I was mentally sharp, discussing the Hulu movie "In & Of Itself". I went back to bed under an electric blanket set to the Max temperature, and slept from 7 to 9. I woke up raring to go, feeling normal, only with a shoulder muscle that hurts when I use it.
On balance, now that I am back to normal, I remain grateful for the vaccine. The discomfort was worthwhile to me.
So sorry you suffered side effects, but glad you got through them and are okay. Thanks for the additional information. Am thinking I may make it through the first night of work (after getting shot that same morning), but next night maybe not. Will have to wait to see what happens. Thanks again.
SteveinMN
3-27-21, 12:48pm
Has anyone here had the J & J vaccine? My sister did, a couple of weeks ago. No uncommon or severe side effects and she was happy to make the trip just once.
Has anyone here had the J & J vaccine? I've seen no indication of it's availability locally yet although my cousin in Missouri was able to get it a couple of weeks ago. She reported violent and uncontrollable shaking, almost like a seizure of some kind, for several hours in the middle of the first night after receiving it. She was fine the next morning.
Gosh, that is scary side effect.
A friend of my son's actually did have seizures from either Moderna or Pfizer--she was a nursing home worker and got it early and was hospitalized with the seizures.
iris lilies
3-27-21, 2:59pm
And my brother-in-law had kind of an opposite experience: he got one of the vaccines, don’t know which one, and promptly came down with a fever and chills. After a couple days his doctor told him just stay in bed, this will pass. Another several days doctor said same thing stay in bed this will pass. After 10 days they went to the emergency room.
Come to find out something else was going on with his prostate. But because he had recently had the vaccine everyone blamed it on the vaccine.
tldr: vaccine blamed for non-vaccine related illness.
What does tldr mean?
"Too long didn't read"
J&J is starting to become available in California. The Oakland coliseum site is supposedly switching to it on Thursday. While I will gladly take any of the vaccines that’s the one I want. I become eligible Thursday so the plan is to get up really early and try to score an appointment for Thursday or Friday there.
I would have loved the one and get it done, so good luck, jp1!
iris lilies
3-27-21, 4:15pm
J&J is starting to become available in California. The Oakland coliseum site is supposedly switching to it on Thursday. While I will gladly take any of the vaccines that’s the one I want. I become eligible Thursday so the plan is to get up really early and try to score an appointment for Thursday or Friday there.
you are taking J and J on top of 2 pfizers?
oh wait,no, it was your SO who got thenPfizer shots.
you are taking J and J on top of 2 pfizers?
oh wait,no, it was your SO who got thenPfizer shots.
Yeah that was SO. Part of the reason I want the J&J is so that he and I have diversity in case some new variant evades one or the other. The other reason is, as tuber noted, one and done. And apparently less side effects but still quite effective.
Just got a text from the county health dept that I could log onto their website tomorrow at noon to book an appt, but I’ll be diving and cell service at the dive site is sketchy.
Yeah that was SO. Part of the reason I want the J&J is so that he and I have diversity in case some new variant evades one or the other. The other reason is, as tuber noted, one and done. And apparently less side effects but still quite effective.
Data shows side effects are more significant with J/J. Not sure where you heard they are less.
This article is in line with what I’ve read elsewhere. Roughly 55% of people reporting systemic side effects (the various flulike symptoms) after the J&J compared to closer to 80% after the second shot of moderna.
Truthfully though, side effects or the lack thereof is not at all part of my decision, it’s just a bonus (hopefully. As with everything else about covid individual results seem to be pretty random.)
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-what-to-know#How-does-JJ-compare-to-the-mRNA-vaccines?
A church friend’s tech savvy son got the text, too. He’s going to try to book my appt for me
happystuff
3-27-21, 9:40pm
Good luck, Tradd.
Got an email from the VA and I may be able to get dh his vaccine as my spouse. Need to check into it.
I decided to sign up for a vaccine after all. It's offered at work (long term care facility) and although I don't really want it, I feel that people are being stupid with precautions and things are opening up a little too soon, It's the J&J one, and after reading about the side effects on other forums, I'm a bit worried. Last April or May I did have a very mild case of Covid; just fever and loss of taste and smell. Rather have one shot than two but would prefer to not get any.
I ended up getting my first shot last week as did Hubby. I ended up saying I smoked, did not matter no one asked nor did they ask for my drivers license. I feel very relieved.
"I ended up saying I smoked."
Happystuff, see above.
"I ended up saying I smoked."
Happystuff, see above.
I’m starting to think it’s not just your son that has issues with OCD.
No I don't smoke, I was never asked if I did so I really did not have to lie. I was never asked for my driver License either. I am 60 and guess I look 65 as on that day 65 and over were welcome.
"No I don't smoke."
Happystuff, see above.
Also "I did not have to lie." No one ever has to lie. Lying is a choice, and reveals a person's character or lack thereof.
happystuff
3-28-21, 10:21am
"No I don't smoke."
Happystuff, see above.
Also "I did not have to lie." No one ever has to lie. Lying is a choice, and reveals a person's character or lack thereof.
Seriously - start worrying about your own words, comments and behaviors instead of attacking others. STILL wishing you some peace and happiness.
Seriously - start worrying about your own words, comments and behaviors instead of attacking others. STILL wishing you some peace and happiness.
If I ever start saying I smoke but I really don't smoke I will definitely worry about myself and my sanity, and at that point I will welcome your concern.
happystuff
3-28-21, 4:29pm
This article is in line with what I’ve read elsewhere. Roughly 55% of people reporting systemic side effects (the various flulike symptoms) after the J&J compared to closer to 80% after the second shot of moderna.
Truthfully though, side effects or the lack thereof is not at all part of my decision, it’s just a bonus (hopefully. As with everything else about covid individual results seem to be pretty random.)
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-what-to-know#How-does-JJ-compare-to-the-mRNA-vaccines?
I have to admit to being somewhat anxious about the 2nd shot side effects. Have put work on notice that I got the first show and will do the same for the 2nd.
Friends weren’t able to get me an appt today. It was jammed.
I got my second yesterday. Sore arm and mild headache.
The Washington Post had an article saying the White House was considering instituting a national free vaccination passport that might be required for certain sports events, air travel, or other. They addressed counterfeit problems. And my local morning news showed a private venture making wrist bands with a scannable code showing a person is "safe". Sort of unofficial and at a cost of $20. I have no problems with any of this, but it's sure to rankle the anti-vaccers and personal freedom advocates.
Got an appt on Wednesday for first jab. The hospital group my GP works for sent out two emails today. Was able to get through right after work.
rosarugosa
3-29-21, 7:35pm
Has anybody seen this one? :)
3712
Has anybody seen this one? :)
3712
Yes, I suspect it was produced in one of the online sh*tposting factories to further divide and disrupt our society.
Has anybody seen this one? :)
3712
Would this kill off people who are undergoing chemo or otherwise have severely compromised immune systems, or does the fact that there is no live but weakened virus in some of the vaccines prevent that?
rosarugosa
3-29-21, 7:52pm
I thought it was pretty funny because it fooled me and pretty much everyone else who commented when a friend posted it online. If it seems inflammatory, read it again more carefully.
I thought it was pretty funny because it fooled me and pretty much everyone else who commented when a friend posted it online. If it seems inflammatory, read it again more carefully.
Yeah, I'll go on vacation when *I* feel like it, and no sooner, and no later. So there!
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