Is globalization over?

[gimmethesimplelife]

Due to the coronavirus? I read recently online of a prediction that crossing international borders may become harder in the future due to increased scrutiny - and not just health related but financial, professional, and criminal background check scrutiny.

I'm thinking such would make globalization harder. Rob

[Tradd]

The vast majority of people are not traveling internationally.

It’s hard enough getting cargo into the country.

[Teacher Terry]

I looked at cruises and most aren’t booking until 2022. I am not planning on going to Europe until then. I don’t want to get there and find things closed. I could see them screening for health and criminal checks but others not so much.

[LDAHL]

Slowed a bit, but by no means over.

[bae]

What do you mean by “globalization”?

[Yppej]

I wish.

[ToomuchStuff]

People and cargo/stuff, two different things.

[happystuff]

No, I don't think it is. Looking at the world from various perspectives, I think the virus has actually put a more "global" focus on people, the environment... the world! Yes, people in general usually take a more local focus - their little corner of the world - but it's hard to deny causes in one place effecting other places, etc.

Hope this made some semblance of sense - lol.

[Teacher Terry]

Because of the virus my DIL hasn’t seen her parents in almost 2 years. She is looking at spring travel if they all are vaccinated.

[gimmethesimplelife]

What do you mean by “globalization”?The fairly free movement of people, goods, and capital across the globe. Rob

[razz]

What the world needs is sourced from around the world. When one country can supply all its own technology, essential resources for manufacturing, etc., only then will globalization fade away. It may be modified as needed but isolation didn't work before and it won't work now to feed the world's population, deal with climate change, provide employment and so on.

[ApatheticNoMore]

Funny that for all this isolationism doesn't work (as if it even exists, I'd believe that if we weren't involved militarily all over), it's the countries that can manufacture their own things that do well. But Americans are supposed to be stupid and pretend that manufacturing everything elsewhere is the greatest thing ever.

Probably why we had mask shortages, we don't make them (by and large). But if we were South Korea the government would have given everyone high quality masks, because they do. Mind you we do have access to vaccines (yea slower than anyone would like but few countries are doing too well here). You know what happens to poor countries that are far away from vaccine development and manufacture? That's right, they don't have the vaccine. Terrible, but true.

Mostly though if the phrase is going to mean anything and everything then uh. If it means dealing with problems collectively through the U.N., then it may make some sense sometimes. If it means outsourcing anything and everything there is no way that makes sense, just the sheer shipping is wasteful. If it means flying all over the world for the heck of it, consider this: One overseas flight uses more carbon than the average person in the world uses in an entire year. Just saying.

[happystuff]

Still think the answer to this is "no".

[Teacher Terry]

My dil is vaccinated and so are her parents. She is going home for a month this summer. She hasn’t been there in 2 years.

[happystuff]

I hope she has a safe and fun visit, TT!

[Gregg]

The fairly free movement of people, goods, and capital across the globe. Rob

To date, something like 87% of Covid vaccinations have gone to high-income countries and 0.2% to low-income countries. That's probably not surprising to very many people, but it is a pretty fair example of how global resource allocation seems to work.

[LDAHL]

To date, something like 87% of Covid vaccinations have gone to high-income countries and 0.2% to low-income countries. That's probably not surprising to very many people, but it is a pretty fair example of how global resource allocation seems to work.

Isn’t it also a pretty fair example of how global resource production seems to work?

I’ve heard the calls to renege on patent protections on the vaccines and proprietary manufacturing processes. But I have to wonder what happens in the future if we need the producers to pull off a similar accomplishment.

[Yppej]

Isn’t it also a pretty fair example of how global resource production seems to work?

I’ve heard the calls to renege on patent protections on the vaccines and proprietary manufacturing processes. But I have to wonder what happens in the future if we need the producers to pull off a similar accomplishment.

Probably the government will fund the vaccine research, as they did to a large extent this time, and also provide a guaranteed market by buying hundreds of millions of doses. I'm sure pharma is not happy that folks are planning to disrupt their plot to socialize the costs and privatize the profits from vaccines.

Too bad we can't just socialize medicine altogether. It would be a lot simpler.

[LDAHL]

Probably the government will fund the vaccine research, as they did to a large extent this time, and also provide a guaranteed market by buying hundreds of millions of doses. I'm sure pharma is not happy that folks are planning to disrupt their plot to socialize the costs and privatize the profits from vaccines.

Too bad we can't just socialize medicine altogether. It would be a lot simpler.

Because we need fewer organizations like Moderna and more like the Wuhan Virological Institute?

[Yppej]

Because we need fewer organizations like Moderna and more like the Wuhan Virological Institute?

Maybe fewer like J&J, which subcontracted manufacturing to a company noted for dirty facilities and contaminated batches of drugs.

[LDAHL]

Maybe fewer like J&J, which subcontracted manufacturing to a company noted for dirty facilities and contaminated batches of drugs.

And such things never happens with infallible government agencies.