View Full Version : Lotsa OT lately.....
gimmethesimplelife
4-25-21, 8:49pm
We have been down two supervisors for awhile and I've been working a lot. So grateful to be hourly. We had two supervisors randomed and they tested positive for THC and buy-bye.
Finally hired some people so I'm off Tuesday through Thursday. Going to Nogales. Need dental cleaning and craving the chicken mole at the Hotel Fray Marcos (Mexican side). Will be nice to get out of town! Rob
That is strict. In my area usually only people who drive vehicles get drug tested. Did they drive forklifts or something?
We have been down two supervisors for awhile and I've been working a lot. So grateful to be hourly. We had two supervisors randomed and they tested positive for THC and buy-bye.
Finally hired some people so I'm off Tuesday through Thursday. Going to Nogales. Need dental cleaning and craving the chicken mole at the Hotel Fray Marcos (Mexican side). Will be nice to get out of town! Rob
Well, congrats on the additional income and congrats on 3 days off! Have a wonderful and safe getaway Rob. ;)
Congrats. OT must be nice.
Although I wouldn’t call going to the dentist a fun time off taking a little trip and eating at a beloved restaurant does. Enjoy!
Although I wouldn’t call going to the dentist a fun time off taking a little trip and eating at a beloved restaurant does. Enjoy!
I disagree on that. I absolutely LOVE getting my teeth cleaned!
I disagree on that. I absolutely LOVE getting my teeth cleaned!
Is it the actual cleaning act that you enjoy or the result? Or both?
They're bucking the trend (businesses are slowly eliminating THC tests) and are probably short-sighted if the managers were any good.
Oh, for a good chicken mole--my very favorite Mexican dish!
iris lilies
4-26-21, 10:17am
DH used for work in the tree industry, and it was not unusual for a colleague to be fired for THC in his blood. They drove heavy equipment so that was appropriate. They also were climbers who did amazing things going up a tree.One guy was known to be a fearless monkey in a tree. He got fired for THC a couple of times over the years, but would be hired back because his tree climbing skills were legendary.
Teacher Terry
4-26-21, 10:39am
Enjoy Mexico Rob!
Had to look up THC to know what it meant - call me naive about the world of using. I could see why managers have to be really alert and full capable when I watched the response of a management team at my grocery pull quickly together when an older man suddenly appeared deranged and confused, falling and fearful of where he was. This was near an exit at a busy time so shoppers were quietly rerouted with their buggies to leave. They were so calm and talked to the man, soothing him until he collected himself and finally stood up. He was adamant that he needed no further help from anyone.
I gained a greater appreciation for the skill set needed to manage a store, Rob. Your experience in the tourism service sector would have prepared you well.
Teacher Terry
4-26-21, 11:51am
THC stays in your bloodstream for up to 30 days. The person doesn’t have to be high and impacted to fail the drug test.
The ACLU proposed a performance test that you would take when you signed on, then again if there were any signs of impairment. It's been years since I heard of this, but to me it makes lots more sense than random numbers that may have absolutely nothing to do with how well you perform on the job.
As TeacherTerry points out, THC lingers whether or not a person is impaired. But I knew a bunch of co-workers who would go out and smoke (or drink) on their lunch hours, then come back and work circles around me, so...(I had two glasses of wine at lunch once, and couldn't focus worth a damn--it's all in the context.)
A lot of people seem to think that because some states have legalized MJ, they’re now good to smoke on breaks or don’t have to worry about peeing hot. That was an issue with a lot of the warehouse workers - which included forklift operators - at the job where I was for 13 years.
iris lilies
4-26-21, 2:03pm
The ACLU proposed a performance test that you would take when you signed on, then again if there were any signs of impairment. It's been years since I heard of this, but to me it makes lots more sense than random numbers that may have absolutely nothing to do with how well you perform on the job.
As TeacherTerry points out, THC lingers whether or not a person is impaired. But I knew a bunch of co-workers who would go out and smoke (or drink) on their lunch hours, then come back and work circles around me, so...(I had two glasses of wine at lunch once, and couldn't focus worth a damn--it's all in the context.)
riiiiiiiiight. A brief in office test, administered by non experts, with a bottom line to support, will for sure distinguish incapacities of the guy who will be pointing that multi-ton vehicle at you on the highway.
nope.
I sont care if little office drones partake however.
I do agree that longstanding THC in a bloodstream of someone who is NOT impaired is a problem. But leave it to the ACLU to be completely theoretical.
A lot of people seem to think that because some states have legalized MJ, they’re now good to smoke on breaks or don’t have to worry about peeing hot. That was an issue with a lot of the warehouse workers - which included forklift operators - at the job where I was for 13 years.
My fire department still has a zero-tolerance policy, even though cannabis is legal in WA state. I mean, you probably don't want someone stoned driving a 50,000 pound fire truck down a narrow road in an emergency situation. But because of how the testing works, that seems to rule out some poor fellow who had an edible a week ago when he was off-duty.
But because of how the testing works, that seems to rule out some poor fellow who had an edible a week ago when he was off-duty.Yep, that's a quandry. For the first 33 years of my career I carried a weapon daily and was subjected to rather strict, and frequent (allegedly random) drug testing. For the final dozen years I was subject to a less strict but nonetheless serious testing policy due to my access to Schedule II and Schedule III narcotics.
Both seemed reasonable to me given the liability of my employers.
ApatheticNoMore
4-26-21, 3:29pm
It really depends on the job market how much tolerance you are going to have. Ok some things are always dangerous under the influence but how much they care for much else depends on how much they need workers.
My bf interviewing a truck driver for the company he works for, has one month of experience, claims to have recently become a truck driver, okay it can be overlooked, one needs a truck driver badly right, one month of experience, that's great! Won't give their last name. LOL. Okay, who did they kill? He had to decline that one. But maybe some other place hires them. :|(
Does anyone know how much the bloodstream absorbs if you are in a smoking or producing environment aka a grower? That was one of the questions before Canada legalized cannabis in 2018. I still don't think one can prove drug-free if exposed to it but maybe more info has become scientifically decided.
Boy I'd love to go to Mexico right now. Any coast, warm sand, sunshine, the great food. Have a great time. Our business has been crazy busy during covid and we did not hire anyone new - until this last month. So being salaried it was tough to work extra time with little recognition. Pats on the back don't deposit well at my bank!
Is it the actual cleaning act that you enjoy or the result? Or both?
Both!
rosarugosa
4-27-21, 6:35am
I liked my former employer's take on drug testing; they just didn't do it. The philosophy was that it was all about performance. If you could somehow manage a stellar performance despite major substance use, then good for you. If you never touched any substances but could not perform acceptably, then too bad for you.
I liked my former employer's take on drug testing; they just didn't do it. The philosophy was that it was all about performance. If you could somehow manage a stellar performance despite major substance use, then good for you. If you never touched any substances but could not perform acceptably, then too bad for you.
And that is the absolute bottom line. Drug testing is just expensive theater.
And that is the absolute bottom line. Drug testing is just expensive theater.I disagree, I think it helps provide a measure of protection for employers in an overly litigious society.
catherine
4-27-21, 12:24pm
I disagree, I think it helps provide a measure of protection for employers in an overly litigious society.
Times have changed since the two-martini lunch maybe, but the idea holds. My DH was a stellar performer as an ad space salesman in the 70s/80s, partially because he plied his clients with alcohol from 12-3pm. So I wonder how alcohol is different from marijuana or other drugs. If people can perform, they can perform. In a capitalist society, that's all that matters.
But again, maybe times have changed. I hope they have changed in that if drugs are a reason to retain employees or "release" them, alcohol is on the same playing field as cannabis or other drugs.
Times have changed since the two-martini lunch maybe, but the idea holds. My DH was a stellar performer as an ad space salesman in the 70s/80s, partially because he plied his clients with alcohol from 12-3pm. So I wonder how alcohol is different from marijuana or other drugs. If people can perform, they can perform. In a capitalist society, that's all that matters.
But again, maybe times have changed. I hope they have changed in that if drugs are a reason to retain employees or "release" them, alcohol is on the same playing field as cannabis or other drugs.
I can say with certainty that if I had been found to have alcohol on my breath at any point in my career, it would have been over. As far as testing is concerned, alcohol will leave your system much faster than other drugs so it's much harder to detect usage and tie it to workplace hours. But the idea of workplace drug testing is not to punish users but rather to identify potential safety, compliance and workplace liability concerns.
In my last workplace a positive drug test result would not even be a cause for firing, it would instead trigger an opportunity for counseling and treatment although the sad truth is that second or third positive test results would cause the company to go into risk mitigation mode and release the employee. That's just a fact of life.
I can say with certainty that if I had been found to have alcohol on my breath at any point in my career, it would have been over. As far as testing is concerned, alcohol will leave your system much faster than other drugs so it's much harder to detect usage and tie it to workplace hours. But the idea of workplace drug testing is not to punish users but rather to identify potential safety, compliance and workplace liability concerns.
In my last workplace a positive drug test result would not even be a cause for firing, it would instead trigger an opportunity for counseling and treatment although the sad truth is that second or third positive test results would cause the company to go into risk mitigation mode and release the employee. That's just a fact of life.
I guess I agree with rosa on her employers take on it, but I have always found it fascinating how alcohol is not only accepted, but expected in our society. Tell someone you don't drink and they look at you like you have two heads. Yes, it has its limits in the workplace, but tolerance for alcohol in my experience is higher than for those who have a "drug problem."
It's funny, I work at home, and lately I have had a glass of wine in the evening, and I make sure I don't do anything in the classroom or answer student emails if I have had any wine. I just never thought about it because I did not drink at all for most of my work at home career.
rosarugosa
4-27-21, 1:30pm
Well and to Bae's point, pot has the unfortunate tendency to linger in one's system, so one might not ever go to work under the influence but still fail a random drug test.
Yes, alcohol seems to get more acceptance than it deserves, and I imagine it has ruined a lot more lives than weed ever did.
Well and to Bae's point, pot has the unfortunate tendency to linger in one's system, so one might not ever go to work under the influence but still fail a random drug test.
Yes, alcohol seems to get more acceptance than it deserves, and I imagine it has ruined a lot more lives than weed ever did.
Amen. And killed legions more than cannabis ever has. I have a brandy now and again, but I've read that--especially for women--there's no safe dose of alcohol.
Why do we persist in separating cannabis use from alcohol use in discussion as so often they are a combo with deadly consequences for those surrounding the imbibers and users.
iris lilies
4-27-21, 4:38pm
Why do we persist in separating cannabis use from alcohol use in discussion as so often they are a combo with deadly consequences for those surrounding the imbibers and users.
The tests are different. Alcohol dissipates in your system. THC
stays there well after you are under its influence.
Teacher Terry
4-28-21, 12:23am
I don’t use pot but from what I have read you can’t overdose on it like alcohol.
happystuff
5-4-21, 11:20am
Just announced yesterday - starting next week for the following two weeks, 8 hours mandatory OT each week. :( >:(
happystuff
5-28-21, 12:32pm
Rob, how's the job going? Still lots of OT hours?
We just got hit with more. The end of next week will make it a month of mandatory OT.
That is tough in spring with all of its activities that you would wish to enjoy especially with things easing up in restrictions.
gimmethesimplelife
6-9-21, 4:22pm
Rob, how's the job going? Still lots of OT hours?
We just got hit with more. The end of next week will make it a month of mandatory OT.Hi HS!
Just saw your post here. Yes. Lits and lots of OT. Which is why I'm mot here as much lately - crazy busy.
But I actually like this job, go figure. We seem to have an unspoken deal cut till it breaks that I work lots of OT but also get to break away from time to time. Works for me. Heading to Nogales 6/16 - 6/19 again. Loving the checks lately but I am getting tired. Rob
Hi HS!
Just saw your post here. Yes. Lits and lots of OT. Which is why I'm mot here as much lately - crazy busy.
But I actually like this job, go figure. We seem to have an unspoken deal cut till it breaks that I work lots of OT but also get to break away from time to time. Works for me. Heading to Nogales 6/16 - 6/19 again. Loving the checks lately but I am getting tired. Rob
Good to hear that this job has worked out well for you.Your timing in taking this job was so wonderfully amazing!
happystuff
6-10-21, 10:20am
Glad to hear it is going well, Rob. And that you are also getting some time off in between all the hours!
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